RE: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit?
Interestingly, not even the official "Published with the permission of the BBC" logos (which are made available for commercial licenceses) includes a BBC logo http://www.bbc.co.uk/branding/assets/index.shtml From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Sam Mbale Sent: 22 December 2008 18:45 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit? I'm a consumer of BBC content in it's various forms. It is an institution am proud to be related to since kindergarten. The BBC logo is embedded in my subconcious.. I almost had a BBC tattoo but I settled for a Blue Peter badge and a T-shirt (hinting on a free t-shirt). On a serious note, the BBC is like a nanny, you never forget the lessons learnt and you always wear the nanny's name with pride. My point is that there has to be a middle way where the BBC allows it's fanboys or girls to wear the logo and still protect it's integrity as a supernanny. We do not want extremists to use the logo as they did with the British flag. My suggestion is a "Powered by BBC" logo. Sam Mbale Mpelembe Network http://www.mpelembe.net Follow me on http://twitter.com/mpelembe On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:42 PM, James Cridland wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Martin Deutsch wrote: Just spotted this in the newest Private Eye (dated 26th Dec)... Being fair... use of the logo means "official". No use of the logo means "unofficial". That's what the Backstage licence basically says. Do a quick iTunes search for BBCReader - that app really concerns me, since it's rubbish and people think it's the BBC's. -- http://james.cridland.net/ | http://notatallbad.ltd.uk/legal_info/
Re: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit?
Sam Mbale wrote: > I'm a consumer of BBC content in it's various forms. It is an > institution am proud to be related to since kindergarten. The BBC logo > is embedded in my subconcious.. I almost had a BBC tattoo but I settled > for a Blue Peter badge and a T-shirt (hinting on a free t-shirt). > > On a serious note, the BBC is like a nanny, you never forget the lessons > learnt and you always wear the nanny's name with pride. My point is that > there has to be a middle way where the BBC allows it's fanboys or girls > to wear the logo and still protect it's integrity as a supernanny. We do > not want extremists to use the logo as they did with the British flag. > > My suggestion is a "Powered by BBC" logo. Same problem... sounds like the BBC power it. How about "Friend of the BBC" type logo? Standard & recognisable BBC logo with a 'friend' flash of some description... Clearly suggests an association and not a responsibility. David -- "Don't worry, you'll be fine; I saw it work in a cartoon once..." - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit?
So one of the problems with the bbc reader, I've been told. Was that it never included a powered by backstage.bbc.co.uk. Please remember to include this attribution otherwise your prototype sits outside the backstage licence. Around the use of logos, is pretty much as James has said, although I disagree with him about it being rubbish. Its just not very pretty. On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 17:42 +, James Cridland wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Martin Deutsch > wrote: > Just spotted this in the newest Private Eye (dated 26th > Dec)... > > > Being fair... use of the logo means "official". No use of the logo > means "unofficial". That's what the Backstage licence basically says. > > > Do a quick iTunes search for BBCReader - that app really concerns me, > since it's rubbish and people think it's the BBC's. > > > -- > http://james.cridland.net/ | http://notatallbad.ltd.uk/legal_info/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit?
The BBC reader app isn't rubbish, functionally speaking. It is aesthetically dubious though. However, it the people who created it are offering it for free and it functions well as an offline reader. If the BBC had enough dev effort on hand to create a New York Times or Bloomberg app, I'd agree with the concerns about branding infringement, but as it stands right now, our nice, open RSS feeds have just generated us a quite reasonable first generation BBC offiine reader for the iPhone. In a tenth of the time that and equivalent Nokia java app would gave taken to commission. 22 Dec 2008 tarihinde 17:42 saatinde "James Cridland" > şunları yazdı: On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Martin Deutsch > wrote: Just spotted this in the newest Private Eye (dated 26th Dec)... Being fair... use of the logo means "official". No use of the logo means "unofficial". That's what the Backstage licence basically says. Do a quick iTunes search for BBCReader - that app really concerns me, since it's rubbish and people think it's the BBC's. -- http://james.cridland.net/ | http://notatallbad.ltd.uk/legal_info/
Re: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit?
I'm a consumer of BBC content in it's various forms. It is an institution am proud to be related to since kindergarten. The BBC logo is embedded in my subconcious.. I almost had a BBC tattoo but I settled for a Blue Peter badge and a T-shirt (hinting on a free t-shirt). On a serious note, the BBC is like a nanny, you never forget the lessons learnt and you always wear the nanny's name with pride. My point is that there has to be a middle way where the BBC allows it's fanboys or girls to wear the logo and still protect it's integrity as a supernanny. We do not want extremists to use the logo as they did with the British flag. My suggestion is a "Powered by BBC" logo. Sam Mbale Mpelembe Network http://www.mpelembe.net Follow me on http://twitter.com/mpelembe On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:42 PM, James Cridland wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Martin Deutsch > wrote: > >> Just spotted this in the newest Private Eye (dated 26th Dec)... >> > > Being fair... use of the logo means "official". No use of the logo means > "unofficial". That's what the Backstage licence basically says. > > Do a quick iTunes search for BBCReader - that app really concerns me, since > it's rubbish and people think it's the BBC's. > > -- > http://james.cridland.net/ | http://notatallbad.ltd.uk/legal_info/ >
Re: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit?
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Martin Deutsch wrote: > Just spotted this in the newest Private Eye (dated 26th Dec)... > Being fair... use of the logo means "official". No use of the logo means "unofficial". That's what the Backstage licence basically says. Do a quick iTunes search for BBCReader - that app really concerns me, since it's rubbish and people think it's the BBC's. -- http://james.cridland.net/ | http://notatallbad.ltd.uk/legal_info/
RE: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit?
There is the branding site
http://www.bbc.co.uk/branding/index.shtml
but no download copies.
But I do have a vague recollection of another site that had more open
content for (I think) non commercial use. Can't remember where it was
though.
From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk
[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth
Sent: 22 December 2008 11:49
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit?
Andrew,
I'm not sure, it used to be a facility from the BBC Press Office
site. It didn't get updated much but it did have huge hi-res versions
of all the channel logos and BBC logo as bitmaps.
BBCPictures seems to exclude all the people who would usually
use a Press Office site, like "non-UK press media; fan sites;
advertising, marketing, PR, design and press news agencies; city and
county councils; freelance journalists, picture editors and
photographers; educational institutions; photographic studios and
independent television and radio production companies"
Not sure who's left from that in fact
2008/12/22 Andrew Bowden
Are you thinking of
http://www.bbcpictures.com/
From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk
[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth
Sent: 22 December 2008 08:45
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] not quite in the
Backstage spirit?
I thought that the BBC had set up a system via
the Press Office for the distribution of BBC logos for this kind of use
a few years ago?
I got a similar letter when I started UK Free
TV, but it was countermand by the "Media Library".
2008/12/21 Mr I Forrester
That was certainly news for us at
backstage. I'm going to follow this up
and hopefully have some better news
soon.
On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 14:50 +,
Martin Deutsch wrote:
> Just spotted this in the newest
Private Eye (dated 26th Dec)...
>
>
> Andy Alcorn is a student whose hobby
is computer programming. Three
> years ago he designed a desktop
"widget" for Apple Macs which allowed
> users to tune in directly to the full
range of BBC radio stations and
> have them on in the background as they
worked, rather than having to
> search out individual web pages to do
so.
>
> He estimates that the free software
has been downloaded at least
> 200,000 times. At the peak of its
popularity, around 65,000 people
> were using it to listen to the BBC.
>
> In October he was contacted by the
BBC, which had tracked down his
> private mobile number and home
address. Was it to thank him for the
> extra listeners he had pushed in the
corporation's direction, or
> offering him a job on the technology
staff? No. Instead the "BBC
> Litigation Department" informed him
that while "the BBC does not
> object to the reference of the BBC
services ... you do not have the
> authority to use the BBC logo and as
such the use of it amounts to
> infringement of the BBC's registered
trade marks and of its
> copyright."
>
> Alcorn was ordered to remove the logo
from the widget, where it
> appeared in a little box enabling
people to knoiw what they were
> listening to, and "provide signed
written undertakings that you have
> undertaken this step and that you
undertake not to repeat your actions
>
Re: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit?
Andrew, I'm not sure, it used to be a facility from the BBC Press Office site. It didn't get updated much but it did have huge hi-res versions of all the channel logos and BBC logo as bitmaps. BBCPictures seems to exclude all the people who would usually use a Press Office site, like "non-UK press media; fan sites; advertising, marketing, PR, design and press news agencies; city and county councils; freelance journalists, picture editors and photographers; educational institutions; photographic studios and independent television and radio production companies" Not sure who's left from that in fact 2008/12/22 Andrew Bowden > Are you thinking of > http://www.bbcpictures.com/ > > -- > *From:* owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto: > owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth > *Sent:* 22 December 2008 08:45 > *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit? > > I thought that the BBC had set up a system via the Press Office for the > distribution of BBC logos for this kind of use a few years ago? > > I got a similar letter when I started UK Free TV, but it was countermand by > the "Media Library". > > > 2008/12/21 Mr I Forrester > >> That was certainly news for us at backstage. I'm going to follow this up >> and hopefully have some better news soon. >> >> On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 14:50 +, Martin Deutsch wrote: >> > Just spotted this in the newest Private Eye (dated 26th Dec)... >> > >> > >> > Andy Alcorn is a student whose hobby is computer programming. Three >> > years ago he designed a desktop "widget" for Apple Macs which allowed >> > users to tune in directly to the full range of BBC radio stations and >> > have them on in the background as they worked, rather than having to >> > search out individual web pages to do so. >> > >> > He estimates that the free software has been downloaded at least >> > 200,000 times. At the peak of its popularity, around 65,000 people >> > were using it to listen to the BBC. >> > >> > In October he was contacted by the BBC, which had tracked down his >> > private mobile number and home address. Was it to thank him for the >> > extra listeners he had pushed in the corporation's direction, or >> > offering him a job on the technology staff? No. Instead the "BBC >> > Litigation Department" informed him that while "the BBC does not >> > object to the reference of the BBC services ... you do not have the >> > authority to use the BBC logo and as such the use of it amounts to >> > infringement of the BBC's registered trade marks and of its >> > copyright." >> > >> > Alcorn was ordered to remove the logo from the widget, where it >> > appeared in a little box enabling people to knoiw what they were >> > listening to, and "provide signed written undertakings that you have >> > undertaken this step and that you undertake not to repeat your actions >> > in the future" or face legal action. >> > >> > All BBC logos have now been replaced on the widget with the letters B, >> > B and C, and licence fee-payers can now sleep easier in their beds. >> > - >> > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, >> please visit >> http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >> >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, >> please visit >> http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >> > > > > -- > . > > Brian Butterworth > > follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist > web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover > advice, since 2002 > > -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
RE: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit?
Are you thinking of http://www.bbcpictures.com/ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 22 December 2008 08:45 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit? I thought that the BBC had set up a system via the Press Office for the distribution of BBC logos for this kind of use a few years ago? I got a similar letter when I started UK Free TV, but it was countermand by the "Media Library". 2008/12/21 Mr I Forrester That was certainly news for us at backstage. I'm going to follow this up and hopefully have some better news soon. On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 14:50 +, Martin Deutsch wrote: > Just spotted this in the newest Private Eye (dated 26th Dec)... > > > Andy Alcorn is a student whose hobby is computer programming. Three > years ago he designed a desktop "widget" for Apple Macs which allowed > users to tune in directly to the full range of BBC radio stations and > have them on in the background as they worked, rather than having to > search out individual web pages to do so. > > He estimates that the free software has been downloaded at least > 200,000 times. At the peak of its popularity, around 65,000 people > were using it to listen to the BBC. > > In October he was contacted by the BBC, which had tracked down his > private mobile number and home address. Was it to thank him for the > extra listeners he had pushed in the corporation's direction, or > offering him a job on the technology staff? No. Instead the "BBC > Litigation Department" informed him that while "the BBC does not > object to the reference of the BBC services ... you do not have the > authority to use the BBC logo and as such the use of it amounts to > infringement of the BBC's registered trade marks and of its > copyright." > > Alcorn was ordered to remove the logo from the widget, where it > appeared in a little box enabling people to knoiw what they were > listening to, and "provide signed written undertakings that you have > undertaken this step and that you undertake not to repeat your actions > in the future" or face legal action. > > All BBC logos have now been replaced on the widget with the letters B, > B and C, and licence fee-payers can now sleep easier in their beds. > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- . Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit?
I thought that the BBC had set up a system via the Press Office for the distribution of BBC logos for this kind of use a few years ago? I got a similar letter when I started UK Free TV, but it was countermand by the "Media Library". 2008/12/21 Mr I Forrester > That was certainly news for us at backstage. I'm going to follow this up > and hopefully have some better news soon. > > On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 14:50 +, Martin Deutsch wrote: > > Just spotted this in the newest Private Eye (dated 26th Dec)... > > > > > > Andy Alcorn is a student whose hobby is computer programming. Three > > years ago he designed a desktop "widget" for Apple Macs which allowed > > users to tune in directly to the full range of BBC radio stations and > > have them on in the background as they worked, rather than having to > > search out individual web pages to do so. > > > > He estimates that the free software has been downloaded at least > > 200,000 times. At the peak of its popularity, around 65,000 people > > were using it to listen to the BBC. > > > > In October he was contacted by the BBC, which had tracked down his > > private mobile number and home address. Was it to thank him for the > > extra listeners he had pushed in the corporation's direction, or > > offering him a job on the technology staff? No. Instead the "BBC > > Litigation Department" informed him that while "the BBC does not > > object to the reference of the BBC services ... you do not have the > > authority to use the BBC logo and as such the use of it amounts to > > infringement of the BBC's registered trade marks and of its > > copyright." > > > > Alcorn was ordered to remove the logo from the widget, where it > > appeared in a little box enabling people to knoiw what they were > > listening to, and "provide signed written undertakings that you have > > undertaken this step and that you undertake not to repeat your actions > > in the future" or face legal action. > > > > All BBC logos have now been replaced on the widget with the letters B, > > B and C, and licence fee-payers can now sleep easier in their beds. > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- . Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit?
That was certainly news for us at backstage. I'm going to follow this up and hopefully have some better news soon. On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 14:50 +, Martin Deutsch wrote: > Just spotted this in the newest Private Eye (dated 26th Dec)... > > > Andy Alcorn is a student whose hobby is computer programming. Three > years ago he designed a desktop "widget" for Apple Macs which allowed > users to tune in directly to the full range of BBC radio stations and > have them on in the background as they worked, rather than having to > search out individual web pages to do so. > > He estimates that the free software has been downloaded at least > 200,000 times. At the peak of its popularity, around 65,000 people > were using it to listen to the BBC. > > In October he was contacted by the BBC, which had tracked down his > private mobile number and home address. Was it to thank him for the > extra listeners he had pushed in the corporation's direction, or > offering him a job on the technology staff? No. Instead the "BBC > Litigation Department" informed him that while "the BBC does not > object to the reference of the BBC services ... you do not have the > authority to use the BBC logo and as such the use of it amounts to > infringement of the BBC's registered trade marks and of its > copyright." > > Alcorn was ordered to remove the logo from the widget, where it > appeared in a little box enabling people to knoiw what they were > listening to, and "provide signed written undertakings that you have > undertaken this step and that you undertake not to repeat your actions > in the future" or face legal action. > > All BBC logos have now been replaced on the widget with the letters B, > B and C, and licence fee-payers can now sleep easier in their beds. > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit?
Hmm, I bet this wasn't a very nice Christmas present from the BBC for Andy. Didn't they learn anything from the Dr. Who knitting saga? Tyson. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Martin Deutsch wrote: > Just spotted this in the newest Private Eye (dated 26th Dec)... > > > Andy Alcorn is a student whose hobby is computer programming. Three > years ago he designed a desktop "widget" for Apple Macs which allowed > users to tune in directly to the full range of BBC radio stations and > have them on in the background as they worked, rather than having to > search out individual web pages to do so. > > He estimates that the free software has been downloaded at least > 200,000 times. At the peak of its popularity, around 65,000 people > were using it to listen to the BBC. > > In October he was contacted by the BBC, which had tracked down his > private mobile number and home address. Was it to thank him for the > extra listeners he had pushed in the corporation's direction, or > offering him a job on the technology staff? No. Instead the "BBC > Litigation Department" informed him that while "the BBC does not > object to the reference of the BBC services ... you do not have the > authority to use the BBC logo and as such the use of it amounts to > infringement of the BBC's registered trade marks and of its > copyright." > > Alcorn was ordered to remove the logo from the widget, where it > appeared in a little box enabling people to knoiw what they were > listening to, and "provide signed written undertakings that you have > undertaken this step and that you undertake not to repeat your actions > in the future" or face legal action. > > All BBC logos have now been replaced on the widget with the letters B, > B and C, and licence fee-payers can now sleep easier in their beds. > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Fight Internet Censorship! http://www.eff.org ~ Open-Source Community, and Technology Testbed: http://i9.house404.co.uk/
[backstage] not quite in the Backstage spirit?
Just spotted this in the newest Private Eye (dated 26th Dec)... Andy Alcorn is a student whose hobby is computer programming. Three years ago he designed a desktop "widget" for Apple Macs which allowed users to tune in directly to the full range of BBC radio stations and have them on in the background as they worked, rather than having to search out individual web pages to do so. He estimates that the free software has been downloaded at least 200,000 times. At the peak of its popularity, around 65,000 people were using it to listen to the BBC. In October he was contacted by the BBC, which had tracked down his private mobile number and home address. Was it to thank him for the extra listeners he had pushed in the corporation's direction, or offering him a job on the technology staff? No. Instead the "BBC Litigation Department" informed him that while "the BBC does not object to the reference of the BBC services ... you do not have the authority to use the BBC logo and as such the use of it amounts to infringement of the BBC's registered trade marks and of its copyright." Alcorn was ordered to remove the logo from the widget, where it appeared in a little box enabling people to knoiw what they were listening to, and "provide signed written undertakings that you have undertaken this step and that you undertake not to repeat your actions in the future" or face legal action. All BBC logos have now been replaced on the widget with the letters B, B and C, and licence fee-payers can now sleep easier in their beds. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
