RE: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content
Heh, Second Life Speaking of which: the list might be interested in this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/listings/programme.shtml?day=tuesdayservice _id=4223FILENAME=20061205/20061205_2235_4223_3276_50 (Mn, how broken are our listing pages? Quick, someone remind me of one of the mashups?) Imagine, the arts strand, is doing a piece about teh intornetz. There are interviews with Berners Lee and Clay Shirky in there, and it's not a bad mainstream intro to web culture. (I haven't seen the final cut yet - feel free to point and laugh at me if I'm wrong) In it, also, Alan Yentob visits Second Life. And starts a blog. Kim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clare OLeary Sent: 28 November 2006 20:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content Hi Yes, actually most kids my sons age - 20 ish don't watch tv at all. They might watch YouTube occassionally but mostly they are either watching DVD's on their wide screen laptops, or creating their own content with digi-cams, photoshop artwork, websites or generally out and about listening to live music and doing their thang... www.conduction.co.nz Sams site... i think the most interesting group to watch is the littlies - who are growing up with interactivity and who want to grab the mouse from when they are 3 or 4play games, change the channel etc... i'm writing a report at present on the nz perspective of 'tv meets you tube' and its pretty interesting out there - check out The Infinite Mind and an animated live interview by John Hockenberry with Kurt Vonnegut in a virtual studio with an interviewer and global audience... - parallel universe in cyberspace anyone? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2140455044291565033 o.k. hooked now... clare www.evebaystudio.co.nz www.qteam.co.nz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 4:21 a.m. To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Psiphon Actually that's a really good point - hadn't thought of it that way... We always assume that what the 'kids' to today will be the model in 10 maybe 20 years... But actually when you think about it that's not necessarily the case... Like you when I was a teenager I spent most of my time messing with my C64 and then later on with the NES and a few other things - very little if any time in front of the box. But now... 15 years later I spend a lot more time in front of the box, but... With a laptop on my lap emailing, making sure I turn off phone notifications in Twitter, and messing with stuff... Perhaps what we're seeing is the end of TV as a dominant platform... Families would sit around the wireless and listen intently, then as time moved on Radio became a platform you listened to whilst you did something else - passive if you like - TV has always been a sit back technology, do nothing else just watch - now that's changing... It doesn't mean it's dead. m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 28 November 2006 15:02 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Psiphon now since there are only so many hours in the day, it's pretty certain that TV's dominance in terms of time (and it's *hugely dominant, even for kids) will be challenged - but yotube won't kill TV - it'll change it, just like TV changed radio, but radio listening is more popular than ever. What will be most interesting to me is what happens 20 years down the line. What happens to those kids who sit in front of their PCs and You Tube now. I wonder because I look at my own life. Fifteen to twenty years ago, I spent a lot of time in my room playing computer games on my Spectrum/Atari ST/386. I watched little television - and even less in the main room. Zoom forward to present day and I sit on my sofa with my widescreen TV quite a bit. I no longer have a joystick. The PC sits upstairs - if I'm on it, I'm checking emails, messing with stuff. Behaviours change - situations change. What is common to do at one point in your life, will not always be so. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit
RE: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content
I keep meaning to draw this out and post it on my blog --- my own thoughts on TV generations --- 1st generation - Mainstream TV watchers, Tend to be stuck to the Broadcast Schedule, will get home to watch a certain thing, will see lots of adverts etc. Will tend to have Cable, Sky or Free view 2nd generation - Tape it for later They tend to watch live events, browse TV and tape/vivo/record everything they watch a lot (such as shows). They skip adverts but still see them. Still aware of the Broadcast Schedule and subscribes to Sky or Cable 3rd generation - On Demand Completely off the schedule, no idea which channel things come from or what time there on. Rely on friends recommendations or social networks to tell what's on. Owns a laptop or has a computer device (such as xbox) setup with there TV. Tends not to browse TV and does not subscribe to Sky or Cable but watches a lot of TV 4th generation - There is no spoon Same as 3rd generation but sees all content as remixable and shareable. Can't understand why mixing bbc content with some dance tune is bad. Uploads content to online sites and shares a lot for social capital. May not even own a TV but has access to a large connection Obviously there's stages between the generations, like someone who watches everything on demand but also tunes in for Torchwood every week (what day is it on again?) :) Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luke Dicken Sent: 28 November 2006 21:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content Yes, actually most kids my sons age - 20 ish don't watch tv at all. They might watch YouTube occassionally but mostly they are either watching DVD's on their wide screen laptops, or creating their own content with digi-cams, photoshop artwork, websites or generally out and about Speaking as someone in this age-group (although possibly atypical given my tech background), its not that we don't watch TV, its just that TV programs aren't good enough to keep our interest. My flatmate makes time for Torchwood each week - I have a habit of forgetting its on so end up either setting our TV up to record it, then watch it later, or I pick it up from a torrent site. The whole concept of remembering when a show is on and watching it is now totally alien to me - I want content on demand, and youtube delivers that. Its just that its generally trashy content on there, and whilst you can sometimes spend hours watching what fun people have with... Y'know... Putting firecrackers down their pants or whatever Its not exactly the kind of high-brow stuff people want from a proper broadcasting outfit. Youtube is generally lowest-common-denominator content, but the trend is definitely towards not being told when in our busy day we're going to take time to watch somethi! ng when the technology to watch it when we want to is so pervasive. Increasingly, television as a medium is going to fall by the way-side as other newer mediums take over. These are predominantly going to be to some extent internet-driven. That doesn't mean that the programmes are going to end, but they are going to evolve. Ten years ago, choosing which angle you viewed a football match from would have seemed insane, nowadays you just have to press a button on your remote. Ten years from now, who knows what will be possible, but as some level of abstraction, there's still going to be sound and pictures being transmitted. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
(freeing) content is king (was Re: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content)
Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I keep meaning to draw this out and post it on my blog I am suprised at the level of heavy breathing going on about Grade's departure. Clearly there is very little vision in the executive branch of the television industry right now. I think it's time that someone who understands the content issues from the point of view of the future took over Auntie. Ian, why don't you apply for the job of Chairman of the BBC? -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: (freeing) content is king (was Re: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content)
Ian, why don't you apply for the job of Chairman of the BBC? I think the Chairman is more of a strategic hands-off job, and I'm sure Ian would miss getting his hands dirty with widget code :-) On 29/11/06, Nic James Ferrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I keep meaning to draw this out and post it on my blog I am suprised at the level of heavy breathing going on about Grade's departure. Clearly there is very little vision in the executive branch of the television industry right now. I think it's time that someone who understands the content issues from the point of view of the future took over Auntie. Ian, why don't you apply for the job of Chairman of the BBC? -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content
Ian, As a geriatric, I am pleased to be 3rd Generation, with a hint of 4th !! I'm looking forward to real virtual reality as well, been waiting since 1987 although Second Life isn't up my street. but an interactive band on youtube is.. so my vision is very different from the norm. I am happy to see it all as binary code, so there is no difference between anyone telling me the news, from the radio,TV,web-site, or my neighbour. The big difference is that now I have so much choice that I struggle to decide what is actually important or worth my time. I am therefore influenced by what I feel is good, and I respect the BBC and it's quality. I don't know who makes what, or whether one show is more expensive than another, but you can be sure that my experience makes for very quick choices. so yes, I will record a great show to DVD just to get rid of the ad breaks. Can you tell me, why is mixing BBC content with some dance tune bad? If I can pay for that content and people like the mashup, then I am not hurting anyone. sadly at this moment I am unable to license that content but that doesn't make it bad.. if every cameraman owned the footage he shot, then most programs could not be edited and aired, as a similar example. I must say that I get pretty frustrated with old world legal problems always affecting new ways to use the content as I would like, in my case I can do just about all of it, but I choose to stay within the law. I can though, understand completely why others don't in these cases. Even as far back as the 80's people were stealing loops and using them to make new songs. the new generations are capable of borrowing from all digital sources, and sometimes they actually win. Youtube is perhaps a case in point, where once again the writs will fly after the event. Just like Google's project to copy books. the idea has no negatives, but the how it is paid for is unknown or just way too complicated and expensive to do. What a great time to be around to use it all, given legal access. On 29 Nov 2006, at 10:56, Ian Forrester wrote: I keep meaning to draw this out and post it on my blog --- my own thoughts on TV generations --- 1st generation - Mainstream TV watchers, Tend to be stuck to the Broadcast Schedule, will get home to watch a certain thing, will see lots of adverts etc. Will tend to have Cable, Sky or Free view 2nd generation - Tape it for later They tend to watch live events, browse TV and tape/vivo/record everything they watch a lot (such as shows). They skip adverts but still see them. Still aware of the Broadcast Schedule and subscribes to Sky or Cable 3rd generation - On Demand Completely off the schedule, no idea which channel things come from or what time there on. Rely on friends recommendations or social networks to tell what's on. Owns a laptop or has a computer device (such as xbox) setup with there TV. Tends not to browse TV and does not subscribe to Sky or Cable but watches a lot of TV 4th generation - There is no spoon Same as 3rd generation but sees all content as remixable and shareable. Can't understand why mixing bbc content with some dance tune is bad. Uploads content to online sites and shares a lot for social capital. May not even own a TV but has access to a large connection Obviously there's stages between the generations, like someone who watches everything on demand but also tunes in for Torchwood every week (what day is it on again?) :) Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luke Dicken Sent: 28 November 2006 21:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content Yes, actually most kids my sons age - 20 ish don't watch tv at all. They might watch YouTube occassionally but mostly they are either watching DVD's on their wide screen laptops, or creating their own content with digi-cams, photoshop artwork, websites or generally out and about Speaking as someone in this age-group (although possibly atypical given my tech background), its not that we don't watch TV, its just that TV programs aren't good enough to keep our interest. My flatmate makes time for Torchwood each week - I have a habit of forgetting its on so end up either setting our TV up to record it, then watch it later, or I pick it up from a torrent site. The whole concept of remembering when a show is on and watching it is now totally alien to me - I want content on demand, and youtube delivers that. Its just that its generally trashy content on there, and whilst you can sometimes spend hours watching what fun people have with... Y'know... Putting firecrackers down their pants or whatever Its not exactly the kind of high-brow stuff people want from a proper broadcasting outfit
RE: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content
Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard P Edwards Sent: 29 November 2006 16:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content Ian, As a geriatric, I am pleased to be 3rd Generation, with a hint of 4th !! Don't worry, I'm edging on to the 4th generation too. I am happy to see it all as binary code, so there is no difference between anyone telling me the news, from the radio,TV,web-site, or my neighbour. The big difference is that now I have so much choice that I struggle to decide what is actually important or worth my time. Yeah that's why I really need to draw this up as a real graph or diagram. One of the things I missed out as you move across the generations (need to think of a better name that this) decision theory (paradox of choice) becomes more of a problem. Currently I'm watching half mainstream media and half small time producers like videocasts and youtube. Which way I go when I sit down in front of the TV in the evening is really dependant on the media (I really should do a videocast about my viewing habits) Can you tell me, why is mixing BBC content with some dance tune bad? I wasn't suggesting it was bad, just that you can imagine if your sitting in generation 1, this whole remixing thing might seem alien. Specially when its your content. My parents just got broadband, they were commenting to me one day that they looked at my blog and couldn't understand why I was giving away my video I shot. I tried to explain but it was very hard work. I must say that I get pretty frustrated with old world legal problems always affecting new ways to use the content as I would like, in my case I can do just about all of it, but I choose to stay within the law. I can though, understand completely why others don't in these cases. Stay within the law :) But yes this is nothing unique to the just digital media. Some suggest the law is badly out of step with the technology. I wouldn't say its not so simple as that, but I take the point. Even as far back as the 80's people were stealing loops and using them to make new songs. Yes and a lot of companies (cable) and cultures (hiphop) were started and continue to profit from there shaky roots. The question is what do we do now about it? Moan or get together and get something done? :) Ian - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content
Ian Forrester wrote: I keep meaning to draw this out and post it on my blog Aw, fuff. I'm too busy writing individual, pithy-oid quips on mailing lists to post things in my blog. (Hold on, I think I'm having an epiphany...nope, just gas.) --- my own thoughts on TV generations --- Maybe I'm in the pi-th generation: I hear about a really cool programme, such as 'Itchy and Scratchy meet the Fairly Odd Parents -- on ice!', which was so subversive they'll *never* be allowed to show it again. Unfortunately, just like all the other things I should have seen to be a credible member of modern parlor-room society, it was on yesterday. And I once again wish for a simple Show me yesterday's TV that I didn't know about until today gadget that doesn't cost one of these (holds up an arm and a leg), doesn't risk having one of these felt (tugs at collar), and doesn't involve me having to build one of those (points at networked multi-channel, multi-day video cacheing system). Which I could build, obviously, if it weren't for all the, you know, quips. Obviously there's stages between the generations, like someone who watches everything on demand but also tunes in for Torchwood every week (what day is it on again?) All of them. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content
I hear about a really cool programme, such as 'Itchy and Scratchy meet the Fairly Odd Parents -- on ice!', which was so subversive they'll *never* be allowed to show it again. Just you wait until my until-now secret project; 100 Greatest Asbestos Removal Disasters gets aired... Oh - and if anyone would like to appear on my reality-show-in-development, Hurl Spears At Shane Ritchie*, drop me a line. Cheers, Rich. * If Mr Ritchie is unavailable, this may have to be retitled Kick Bradley Walsh Into A Vegetative State - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content
Hi In the spirit of 'play', check out Stray Cinema,which is a short film shot in London by a kiwi, then uploaded to the web - you can download it and remix it and add 20% of your own original content - its kind of an experiment and all based on the Creative Commons licence as well as in the spirit of collaborative content sharing just to see what happens. check it out at www.straycinema.com and www.creativecommons.org of course... clare www.evebaystudio.co.nz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard P Edwards Sent: Thursday, 30 November 2006 5:30 a.m. To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content Ian, As a geriatric, I am pleased to be 3rd Generation, with a hint of 4th !! I'm looking forward to real virtual reality as well, been waiting since 1987 although Second Life isn't up my street. but an interactive band on youtube is.. so my vision is very different from the norm. I am happy to see it all as binary code, so there is no difference between anyone telling me the news, from the radio,TV,web-site, or my neighbour. The big difference is that now I have so much choice that I struggle to decide what is actually important or worth my time. I am therefore influenced by what I feel is good, and I respect the BBC and it's quality. I don't know who makes what, or whether one show is more expensive than another, but you can be sure that my experience makes for very quick choices. so yes, I will record a great show to DVD just to get rid of the ad breaks. Can you tell me, why is mixing BBC content with some dance tune bad? If I can pay for that content and people like the mashup, then I am not hurting anyone. sadly at this moment I am unable to license that content but that doesn't make it bad.. if every cameraman owned the footage he shot, then most programs could not be edited and aired, as a similar example. I must say that I get pretty frustrated with old world legal problems always affecting new ways to use the content as I would like, in my case I can do just about all of it, but I choose to stay within the law. I can though, understand completely why others don't in these cases. Even as far back as the 80's people were stealing loops and using them to make new songs. the new generations are capable of borrowing from all digital sources, and sometimes they actually win. Youtube is perhaps a case in point, where once again the writs will fly after the event. Just like Google's project to copy books. the idea has no negatives, but the how it is paid for is unknown or just way too complicated and expensive to do. What a great time to be around to use it all, given legal access. On 29 Nov 2006, at 10:56, Ian Forrester wrote: I keep meaning to draw this out and post it on my blog --- my own thoughts on TV generations --- 1st generation - Mainstream TV watchers, Tend to be stuck to the Broadcast Schedule, will get home to watch a certain thing, will see lots of adverts etc. Will tend to have Cable, Sky or Free view 2nd generation - Tape it for later They tend to watch live events, browse TV and tape/vivo/record everything they watch a lot (such as shows). They skip adverts but still see them. Still aware of the Broadcast Schedule and subscribes to Sky or Cable 3rd generation - On Demand Completely off the schedule, no idea which channel things come from or what time there on. Rely on friends recommendations or social networks to tell what's on. Owns a laptop or has a computer device (such as xbox) setup with there TV. Tends not to browse TV and does not subscribe to Sky or Cable but watches a lot of TV 4th generation - There is no spoon Same as 3rd generation but sees all content as remixable and shareable. Can't understand why mixing bbc content with some dance tune is bad. Uploads content to online sites and shares a lot for social capital. May not even own a TV but has access to a large connection Obviously there's stages between the generations, like someone who watches everything on demand but also tunes in for Torchwood every week (what day is it on again?) :) Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luke Dicken Sent: 28 November 2006 21:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content Yes, actually most kids my sons age - 20 ish don't watch tv at all. They might watch YouTube occassionally but mostly they are either watching DVD's on their wide screen laptops, or creating their own content with digi-cams, photoshop artwork, websites or generally out and about Speaking as someone in this age-group (although possibly atypical given my tech background), its not that we don't watch TV, its just that TV programs aren't good enough to keep our interest. My flatmate
RE: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content
Yes, actually most kids my sons age - 20 ish don't watch tv at all. They might watch YouTube occassionally but mostly they are either watching DVD's on their wide screen laptops, or creating their own content with digi-cams, photoshop artwork, websites or generally out and about Speaking as someone in this age-group (although possibly atypical given my tech background), its not that we don't watch TV, its just that TV programs aren't good enough to keep our interest. My flatmate makes time for Torchwood each week - I have a habit of forgetting its on so end up either setting our TV up to record it, then watch it later, or I pick it up from a torrent site. The whole concept of remembering when a show is on and watching it is now totally alien to me - I want content on demand, and youtube delivers that. Its just that its generally trashy content on there, and whilst you can sometimes spend hours watching what fun people have with... Y'know... Putting firecrackers down their pants or whatever Its not exactly the kind of high-brow stuff people want from a proper broadcasting outfit. Youtube is generally lowest-common-denominator content, but the trend is definitely towards not being told when in our busy day we're going to take time to watch something when the technology to watch it when we want to is so pervasive. Increasingly, television as a medium is going to fall by the way-side as other newer mediums take over. These are predominantly going to be to some extent internet-driven. That doesn't mean that the programmes are going to end, but they are going to evolve. Ten years ago, choosing which angle you viewed a football match from would have seemed insane, nowadays you just have to press a button on your remote. Ten years from now, who knows what will be possible, but as some level of abstraction, there's still going to be sound and pictures being transmitted. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Hi Luke Yes - scheduling of prime time is what is dying as you can on TIVO (or whatever) record, download, watch it when you want etc. I'm interested in what that will mean for content creators in terms of how to alert people to the fact that something is actually worth recording and watchign later, so, as advertisers scramble to leap into the new interactive world i think it will be your generation which dictates what that world will become...but as a doco maker and content creator, i'm keen to keep making stuff, thats for sure! clare www.evebaystudio.co.nz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luke Dicken Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 10:33 a.m. To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content Yes, actually most kids my sons age - 20 ish don't watch tv at all. They might watch YouTube occassionally but mostly they are either watching DVD's on their wide screen laptops, or creating their own content with digi-cams, photoshop artwork, websites or generally out and about Speaking as someone in this age-group (although possibly atypical given my tech background), its not that we don't watch TV, its just that TV programs aren't good enough to keep our interest. My flatmate makes time for Torchwood each week - I have a habit of forgetting its on so end up either setting our TV up to record it, then watch it later, or I pick it up from a torrent site. The whole concept of remembering when a show is on and watching it is now totally alien to me - I want content on demand, and youtube delivers that. Its just that its generally trashy content on there, and whilst you can sometimes spend hours watching what fun people have with... Y'know... Putting firecrackers down their pants or whatever Its not exactly the kind of high-brow stuff people want from a proper broadcasting outfit. Youtube is generally lowest-common-denominator content, but the trend is definitely towards not being told when in our busy day we're going to take time to watch something when the technology to watch it when we want to is so pervasive. Increasingly, television as a medium is going to fall by the way-side as other newer mediums take over. These are predominantly going to be to some extent internet-driven. That doesn't mean that the programmes are going to end, but they are going to evolve. Ten years ago, choosing which angle you viewed a football match from would have seemed insane, nowadays you just have to press a button on your remote. Ten years from now, who knows what will be possible, but as some level of abstraction, there's still going to be sound and pictures being transmitted. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
