Re: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK
On 5 Jul 2007, at 08:33, Christopher Woods wrote: Pfft. Good things and bad things will come from this: Good: O2 won't be able to knacker the phone by slapping their custom memory-hogging interface onto it (like they did with my lovely XDA 2i, it took me ages to clear out the crap they put on it!) O2 won't be able to slap their branding on it Bad: O2 most likely won't bring out any inclusive data plan for this, and since when did they have an EDGE network? Orange has largest European EDGE network, and T-Mobile has one too pan-Europe, but O2? Just plain old, slow, GPRS. UK iPhone users are going to have HEFTY data bills, and they're going to be pissed off with the slow browsing speed. I didn't read the contract, but i understand that flat-data-plans are a pre-requisite for the contract. (and why a number of the networks couldn't compete, i suspect. That and branding.) O2 coverage is pants in quite a few more places than you'd think - including, laughably, the front room of my house in central Birmingham - so I won't be surprised when many people take their iPhones back (or break open the network lock so they can put their T-Mobile USIMs in, with all their Web 'n Walk goodness!) Yeah. I'm also a tmo switcher (from orange) and frankly was rooting for them. I'd be happier to pay a horrendous upgrade fee and 2yr tie in with tmo than switching to o2. I'll be VERY surprised if TMob don't eventually bring out a 3G-enabled iPhone within the next 12 months and roll it out Europe-wide. It's a real missed opportunity, given that Vodafone, Orange, TM and 3 have 3G networks (the latter two running at full HSDPA speed with 3 already running at superfast speeds and TM upping its network from 1.8 to 3.6Mbps before the end of the year) how'd they do that? they'd need a contract with Apple. Right now, att have a 2 yr exclusivity contract with apple in the US. expect the terms to be the same or incredibly similar in the UK. This'll really annoy my Mac-loving housemate though, because he can only get Orange or Vodafone signal in his house in Cornwall, and he REALLY wants an iPhone just because it's from his lord and master, His Jobsiness :D -Original Message- From: Adam Burt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2007 00:00 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK It looks like O2 have the iPhone in deal in the bag for the UK... http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sector s/telecoms/article2028678.ece Cheers Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://imaj.es/
Re: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK
On 5 Jul 2007, at 19:34, Christopher Woods wrote: Granted they do have a 3G network now, but O2, as usual, were horrendously late to the party - they're forever playing catchup (and when everybody thought they were going to introduce flat-rate data tariffs last month, what did they do? Noo, just a lame Blackberry tariff!) As a former customer of O2, where I was variously ignored, disserviced and overcharged, even if I wanted an iPhone more than anything else, I'd give it serious second thoughts about getting it if it was tied to the O2 network and their customer 'services'. Once is enough, twice just isn't bearable for me. I'm also a happy switcher to T-Mobile, for what it's worth - they know how to treat customers right ;) and it would be a bit mad on their part if they didn't eventually offer the iPhone in the UK territory, especially considering their faster network and better data plans. (imvho) Yeah. I couldn't agree more. Except I don't think there'd be any way for the normal order of things (every network offering the iphone at discount or free pricing) to happen in the UK. I'm barely hoping for a 3G model - but frankly there's no clear signal that's happening, and, as holy as jobs is to me, apple tend to be very cupertino- insular - it's entirely possible they simply don't know or care that the rest of the world is a bit ahead of the game. (and that the 3g chip costs $10-20 more per model and is pretty energy hungry... :( ) james -Original Message- From: Ben O'Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2007 14:58 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK Christopher Woods wrote: Pfft. Good things and bad things will come from this: Good: O2 won't be able to knacker the phone by slapping their custom memory-hogging interface onto it (like they did with my lovely XDA 2i, it took me ages to clear out the crap they put on it!) O2 won't be able to slap their branding on it Bad: O2 most likely won't bring out any inclusive data plan for this, and since when did they have an EDGE network? Orange has largest European EDGE network, and T-Mobile has one too pan-Europe, but O2? Just plain old, slow, GPRS. UK iPhone users are going to have HEFTY data bills, and they're going to be pissed off with the slow browsing speed. O2 has a 3G network, it's expected the iPhone will have 3G when it launches here anyway - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://imaj.es/
RE: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK
Qualcomm make some good chips... Which gets me thinking about that whole thing: mobile chipset development was dealt a blow recently when Qualcomm got that ruling handed down against them which means they can't have their chips included in any new mobile devices sold in the US (alleged patent infringement). That'll make things very interesting in the future, given that the vast majority of smartphones (including my Hermes and my next handset, the Kaiser) have Qualcomm chipsets inside, the latter being its CPU! Mmmm, the Kaiser... It will be mine - oh yes, it will be mine. Fortunately mobile operators can sell any handsets they currently have in stock but any manufactured after a point this year (might even be July, not sure) can't be sold to customers if they have the Qualcomm chips in them... Talk about stifling a free market, apparently several mobile operators have appealed the ruling! Er, where was I... Oh yeah, iPhone! America's always lagged behind the rest of the world for mobile tech. As a TMob CSR said to me once (and we laughed), T-Mobile US sells phones that TMUK couldn't give away, and it's so true - just go onto any of the operators' sites and look at their shops. Having a sick bag handy for some of them might be a good idea ;) ATT have the exclusivity deal for the US, but not the rest of the world... What's to stop another operator developing a 3G variant for the other territories and then doing a side-by-side release for those relevant markets? ATT could then bring it to their own shores and sell it on for a fat markup, everyone's a winner. Apple's design framework for third party apps SUCKS. Why can't they just stick to web standards and maybe offer a little interactivity? The iPhone's CRYING out for next-gen third party development, I couldn't believe it when I read that you can't even upload files via the relevant type of form (and the form fields like File Location). That's going to cause a real problem for developers. I also laughed when I read about the inconsistent UI design for various apps, as detailed by Engadget in their hyoge review, and the fact you can't even customise the global colour scheme... And how the keyboard doesn't do inline spellchecking and autocorrection anywhere other than when typing emails or text messages (rendering it all but useless to me, the Windows Mobile inline autocorrect works pretty much everywhere!) and how to put a full stop you HAVE to go to the symbols view and then tab back to the letters view. The device might be brilliant, but the UI is just as bad - if not worse, in parts, than Windows Mobile, and I'l freely admit that WM5 is quite clunky in parts (though WM6 shaped up really nicely in comparison). I look forward to the day when WM6 Pro is cooked and installed onto the iPhone - I might buy one then ;) - because for all my words of hatred towards Apple, I NEED MULTITOUCH... and double-finger scrolling on my laptop's touchpad :( _ From: James Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 July 2007 07:02 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK On 5 Jul 2007, at 19:34, Christopher Woods wrote: Granted they do have a 3G network now, but O2, as usual, were horrendously late to the party - they're forever playing catchup (and when everybody thought they were going to introduce flat-rate data tariffs last month, what did they do? Noo, just a lame Blackberry tariff!) As a former customer of O2, where I was variously ignored, disserviced and overcharged, even if I wanted an iPhone more than anything else, I'd give it serious second thoughts about getting it if it was tied to the O2 network and their customer 'services'. Once is enough, twice just isn't bearable for me. I'm also a happy switcher to T-Mobile, for what it's worth - they know how to treat customers right ;) and it would be a bit mad on their part if they didn't eventually offer the iPhone in the UK territory, especially considering their faster network and better data plans. (imvho) Yeah. I couldn't agree more. Except I don't think there'd be any way for the normal order of things (every network offering the iphone at discount or free pricing) to happen in the UK. I'm barely hoping for a 3G model - but frankly there's no clear signal that's happening, and, as holy as jobs is to me, apple tend to be very cupertino-insular - it's entirely possible they simply don't know or care that the rest of the world is a bit ahead of the game. (and that the 3g chip costs $10-20 more per model and is pretty energy hungry... :( ) james -Original Message- From: Ben O'Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2007 14:58 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK Christopher Woods wrote: Pfft. Good things and bad things will come from this: Good: O2 won't be able to knacker the phone by slapping their custom memory-hogging interface onto it (like they did with my lovely XDA 2i
Re: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK
And I thought that we were supposed to have a free market in the UK? On 05/07/07, Adam Burt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like O2 have the iPhone in deal in the bag for the UK... http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/telecoms/article2028678.ece Cheers Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK
Pfft. Good things and bad things will come from this: Good: O2 won't be able to knacker the phone by slapping their custom memory-hogging interface onto it (like they did with my lovely XDA 2i, it took me ages to clear out the crap they put on it!) O2 won't be able to slap their branding on it Bad: O2 most likely won't bring out any inclusive data plan for this, and since when did they have an EDGE network? Orange has largest European EDGE network, and T-Mobile has one too pan-Europe, but O2? Just plain old, slow, GPRS. UK iPhone users are going to have HEFTY data bills, and they're going to be pissed off with the slow browsing speed. O2 coverage is pants in quite a few more places than you'd think - including, laughably, the front room of my house in central Birmingham - so I won't be surprised when many people take their iPhones back (or break open the network lock so they can put their T-Mobile USIMs in, with all their Web 'n Walk goodness!) I'll be VERY surprised if TMob don't eventually bring out a 3G-enabled iPhone within the next 12 months and roll it out Europe-wide. It's a real missed opportunity, given that Vodafone, Orange, TM and 3 have 3G networks (the latter two running at full HSDPA speed with 3 already running at superfast speeds and TM upping its network from 1.8 to 3.6Mbps before the end of the year) This'll really annoy my Mac-loving housemate though, because he can only get Orange or Vodafone signal in his house in Cornwall, and he REALLY wants an iPhone just because it's from his lord and master, His Jobsiness :D -Original Message- From: Adam Burt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2007 00:00 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK It looks like O2 have the iPhone in deal in the bag for the UK... http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sector s/telecoms/article2028678.ece Cheers Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK
Christopher Woods wrote: Pfft. Good things and bad things will come from this: Good: O2 won't be able to knacker the phone by slapping their custom memory-hogging interface onto it (like they did with my lovely XDA 2i, it took me ages to clear out the crap they put on it!) O2 won't be able to slap their branding on it Bad: O2 most likely won't bring out any inclusive data plan for this, and since when did they have an EDGE network? Orange has largest European EDGE network, and T-Mobile has one too pan-Europe, but O2? Just plain old, slow, GPRS. UK iPhone users are going to have HEFTY data bills, and they're going to be pissed off with the slow browsing speed. O2 has a 3G network, it's expected the iPhone will have 3G when it launches here anyway - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK
Granted they do have a 3G network now, but O2, as usual, were horrendously late to the party - they're forever playing catchup (and when everybody thought they were going to introduce flat-rate data tariffs last month, what did they do? Noo, just a lame Blackberry tariff!) As a former customer of O2, where I was variously ignored, disserviced and overcharged, even if I wanted an iPhone more than anything else, I'd give it serious second thoughts about getting it if it was tied to the O2 network and their customer 'services'. Once is enough, twice just isn't bearable for me. I'm also a happy switcher to T-Mobile, for what it's worth - they know how to treat customers right ;) and it would be a bit mad on their part if they didn't eventually offer the iPhone in the UK territory, especially considering their faster network and better data plans. (imvho) -Original Message- From: Ben O'Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2007 14:58 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK Christopher Woods wrote: Pfft. Good things and bad things will come from this: Good: O2 won't be able to knacker the phone by slapping their custom memory-hogging interface onto it (like they did with my lovely XDA 2i, it took me ages to clear out the crap they put on it!) O2 won't be able to slap their branding on it Bad: O2 most likely won't bring out any inclusive data plan for this, and since when did they have an EDGE network? Orange has largest European EDGE network, and T-Mobile has one too pan-Europe, but O2? Just plain old, slow, GPRS. UK iPhone users are going to have HEFTY data bills, and they're going to be pissed off with the slow browsing speed. O2 has a 3G network, it's expected the iPhone will have 3G when it launches here anyway - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK
Geez who would have thought it... I was sure Vodafone and Tmobile had this one covered, even 3 came above O2 in my list. I certainly won't be switching back to O2. Generally what does everyone think about the lack of a SDK and Apple forcing developers to build web applications? Is this a good move or bad move? Christopher Woods wrote: Granted they do have a 3G network now, but O2, as usual, were horrendously late to the party - they're forever playing catchup (and when everybody thought they were going to introduce flat-rate data tariffs last month, what did they do? Noo, just a lame Blackberry tariff!) As a former customer of O2, where I was variously ignored, disserviced and overcharged, even if I wanted an iPhone more than anything else, I'd give it serious second thoughts about getting it if it was tied to the O2 network and their customer 'services'. Once is enough, twice just isn't bearable for me. I'm also a happy switcher to T-Mobile, for what it's worth - they know how to treat customers right ;) and it would be a bit mad on their part if they didn't eventually offer the iPhone in the UK territory, especially considering their faster network and better data plans. (imvho) -Original Message- From: Ben O'Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2007 14:58 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] O2 - iPhone deal - UK Christopher Woods wrote: Pfft. Good things and bad things will come from this: Good: O2 won't be able to knacker the phone by slapping their custom memory-hogging interface onto it (like they did with my lovely XDA 2i, it took me ages to clear out the crap they put on it!) O2 won't be able to slap their branding on it Bad: O2 most likely won't bring out any inclusive data plan for this, and since when did they have an EDGE network? Orange has largest European EDGE network, and T-Mobile has one too pan-Europe, but O2? Just plain old, slow, GPRS. UK iPhone users are going to have HEFTY data bills, and they're going to be pissed off with the slow browsing speed. O2 has a 3G network, it's expected the iPhone will have 3G when it launches here anyway - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
