Re: [BackupPC-users] What is the latest on getting cygwin rsync/ssh to work for BackupPC

[Steen Eugen Poulsen]

Linux Punk skrev:

I would tend to disagree because we have dozens of machines that
backup successfully using rsyncd server (no ssh) but we ran into


Well, just to shoot that theory down, my problem is with no ssh rsyncd 
server.





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Re: [BackupPC-users] What is the latest on getting cygwin rsync/ssh to work for BackupPC

[Jeffrey J. Kosowsky]

Linux Punk wrote at about 16:53:08 -0600 on Sunday, October 26, 2008:
 > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 4:49 AM, Steen Eugen Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 > wrote:
 > > Jeffrey J. Kosowsky skrev:
 > >>
 > >> I have googled and read a lot of posts about people having trouble
 > >> with cygwin rsync/ssh but haven't seen any definitive solutions.
 > >
 > > I don't think it has anything to do with cygwin or how you backup windows
 > > machines, it's just that we keep running into file lock issues that messes
 > > up backups.
 > 
 > I would tend to disagree because we have dozens of machines that
 > backup successfully using rsyncd server (no ssh) but we ran into
 > exactly the issues described when tunneling rsync in ssh. If it was a
 > problem with locked files affecting rsync, we would see those problems
 > in both instances. We've also tried backing up dummy directories that
 > have no open files in them, and had that fail with rsync/ssh.
 > 
I just switched over to using rsyncd (without ssh) and it seems to be
working (so far after several gigabytes and several thousand files). I
also just as an experiment tried manually setting up a ssh tunnel
(e.g. -L 1873:localhost:873) and tunneling rsyncd over it -- and it
too seems to work.

So far I have tried the following permutations:
1. From Linux: rsync -av  -e "ssh" :  
   WORKS
2. From Linux: rsync -av  -e "ssh"  : 
   WORKS

3. From Windows: rsync -av  -e "ssh" :  
   WORKS
4. From Windows: rsync -av  -e "ssh"  : 
   WORKS

5. From Linux: rsync -av  -e "ssh" : 
   FAILS after ~10 files
6. From Window: rsync -av  -e "ssh"  :
   FAILS (completes but sends 0 files - when done under -vv lots of
   send/receive traffic but nothing effectively sent)

7. From Linux: rsync -av   
   WORKS
8. From Windows: rsync -av   
   WORKS

9. From Linux: rsync -av  :: 
   plus 'rsync --daemon' running on Windows machine
   WORKS 
10. From Linux: rsync -av  --port 1873 127.0.0.1:: 
   plus 'rsync --daemon --address 127.0.0.1 --port 1873 running on Windows
   and ssh tunnel from Linux to Windows with -L 1873:127.0.0.1:1873
   WORKS

NOTE: when I say 'WORKS', I mean that it copies over at least several
thousand files starting from root (either / on Linux or /c/ on
Windows) since I didn't have the time to copy over the 50GB of each
partition for each method.

So it seems of all the multiple combinations of using ssh/rsync/rsyncd
between src/dir and linux/windows (and I haven't enumerated other
obvious permutations that clearly work), the only combo that doesn't
work is using "rsync -e ssh" to copy over Windows root directory to
Linux (whether you initiate rsync from the linux or windows machine).

Can anybody explain what is going on here and what is causing the
problem?

Is this a fundamental ssh/rsync problem between Linux and Windows?
Could the problem be due to the fact that I have different rsync and
ssh versions?

Currently:
Linux: openssh-4.7p1
   rsync-2.6.9

Windows: openssh-5.1p1
 rsync-3.0.4 protocol version 30

I really would like to get to the bottom of this...

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Incremental dumps hanging with 'Can't get rsync digests' & 'Can't call method "isCached"'

[Jeffrey J. Kosowsky]

Holger Parplies wrote at about 03:08:47 +0100 on Monday, October 27, 2008:
 > Hi,
 > I admit to not believing in backupcentral.com for various reasons, but I 
 > would
 > have expected attachments to be available even there (they apparently aren't 
 > -
 > at least I can't find it either). The original mailing list archive is here:
 > 
 > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=backuppc-users
 > 
 > and the link I went to the trouble of looking up and quoting actually *does*
 > link to the attachment:
 > 
 > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=20081007041523.GB14536%40gratch.parplies.de
 > 

Sorry - my mail reader (text mode) doesn't always do a good job with
links so I google searched and found the (faulty) backupcentral
version instead.

I have been playing with your script and it seems to spit out about
80% of the files/directories (24908/28834) that are backed up in this 
incremental backup.

Most of the 24000 files seem to have 5 or 6 digit perms like 40755 or
100660. Not sure if this is a problem and if so what to do about it.
I seem to get this on the good backups too. In fact, at first glance
it's hard to tell what if anything is the difference between a 'good'
and 'bad' backup. For most directories, every file and subdirectory are listed
even though it all seems fine. 

I tried doing -X "40755,100644" etc. to exclude these perms but it
didn't seem to have any effect so I'm not sure what is triggering
these files to be listed since I thought only "bad" ones were to be printed.

For example in / I have the following
[5] 40755 0 0 0 4096 0x48f7aeb7 /
[5] 40755 0 0 0 1024 0x48f84c29 /boot
[0] 100644 0 0 0 0 0x4743a755 -i
[0] 100644 0 0 0 0 0x48f7aeb7 .autofsck
[0] 100600 0 0 0 2556 0x48c7dbb0 .bash_history
[5] 40755 0 0 0 4096 0x478175ba .qt
[5] 40755 0 0 0 4096 0x478175a5 .vmware
[5] 40755 0 0 0 4096 0x48ef153c bin
[5] 40755 0 0 0 1024 0x48f84c29 boot
[5] 40755 0 0 0 5860 0x48f7badf dev
[5] 40755 0 0 0 12288 0x48f8b077 etc
[5] 40755 0 0 0 4096 0x476ff4f2 home
[5] 40755 0 0 0 4096 0x48ef153c lib


Also, the debug output for the Users list looks good except for the
last 2 elements: 
 0755 (which looks like a perm)
 65534 (which seems like the max number for a uid)
Similarly the last element of the group list is: 65534.

Finally, you may want to add the following debug line to your script for 
completeness:

print "Perms: ", (join ',', sort {$a <=> $b} keys %permmap), "\n"
  if $opts {D};

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Where do I report problems with this mailing list?

[Craig Barratt]

Holger writes:

> So if someone with the power to unsubscribe
> him reads this, please do. Thank you.

Done.

Craig

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Re: [BackupPC-users] What is the latest on getting cygwin rsync/ssh to work for BackupPC

[Jeffrey J. Kosowsky]

dan wrote at about 21:45:25 -0600 on Sunday, October 26, 2008:
 > I have posted this a few times but here it is again.
 > 
 > Instead of installing cygwin completely, install Deltacopy instead.
 > 
 > 1) It is rsync on windows via cygwin
 > 2) it has a nice GUI
 > 3) directorys available via rsync are settable via aliases. (Documents and
 > Settings can be "docs")
 > 4) can use authentication to provide some basic security.
 > 5) runs as a service
 > 6) service can be run under a username that is capable of reading all files
 > but not writing
 > 
 > I use this extensively while backing up windows desktops.

- Can it coexist with a full cygwin install (I have cygwin installed
  already) or does it have conflicts with the cygwin1.dll (or other
  things?

- Is it doing something different from cygwin rsync/ssh or is it just
  a nicer/cleaner UI? If so, what is different that makes it work
  better?

Thanks


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Re: [BackupPC-users] How do you set a command to mount nfs backup share?

[Jeffrey J. Kosowsky]

dan wrote at about 21:39:46 -0600 on Sunday, October 26, 2008:
 > why done you just have the nfs mounted all the time?
Well, I would prefer that but my network is 100% reliable so nfs
and/or the various machines sometimes go down. This tends to leave nfs
with a stale mount -- so it looks like it's mounted but it really
isn't accessible. I wrote a script that basically tests and if it's
not working it forcibly unmounts and remounts. I'm not sure that
autofs will do this.

Anyway, I just thought it would be nice if there were a hook that one
could use to check for ability to read/write to TopDir and if not then
execute something to mount it (or do whatever is necessary to make it
accessible).


 > 
 > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:38 PM, dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > 
 > > ?? why not autofs?  it will automatically mount a filesystem when access to
 > > the path is attempted.
 > >
 > >
 > > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Craig Barratt <
 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > >
 > >> Jeffrey writes:
 > >>
 > >> > So, ideally, I am looking for a "hook" to run in advance of any web or
 > >> > backup operation that needs access to /var/lib/BackupPC.
 > >> >
 > >> > Does such a hook exist?
 > >> > If not where would be the best place in the code to hook into?
 > >>
 > >> No, there isn't such a hook - BackupPC assumes the pool exists.
 > >> Almost every program and CGI request will access some data below
 > >> the pool.
 > >>
 > >> You could try putting some code in the BackupPC::Lib initialization,
 > >> but you will have to think about what error recovery is appropriate.
 > >>
 > >> Craig
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Re: [BackupPC-users] How do you set a command to mount nfs backup share?

[Holger Parplies]

Hi,

dan wrote on 2008-10-26 21:39:46 -0600 [Re: [BackupPC-users] How do you set a 
command to mount nfs backup share?]:
> why done you just have the nfs mounted all the time?

read the original post again. It helped me when I was about to reply along the
same lines. The problem is the NFS server being down when backups occur. You
can't umount the pool FS without stopping BackupPC anyway - at least
BackupPC_trashClean has its cwd on it.

Regards,
Holger

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Re: [BackupPC-users] What is the latest on getting cygwin rsync/ssh to work for BackupPC

[dan]

I have posted this a few times but here it is again.

Instead of installing cygwin completely, install Deltacopy instead.

1) It is rsync on windows via cygwin
2) it has a nice GUI
3) directorys available via rsync are settable via aliases. (Documents and
Settings can be "docs")
4) can use authentication to provide some basic security.
5) runs as a service
6) service can be run under a username that is capable of reading all files
but not writing

I use this extensively while backing up windows desktops.



On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Holger Parplies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote on 2008-10-26 09:51:06 -0400 [Re:
> [BackupPC-users] What is the latest on getting cygwin rsync/ssh to work for
> BackupPC]:
> >  > Jeffrey J. Kosowsky schrieb:
> >  > > I have googled and read a lot of posts about people having trouble
> >  > > with cygwin rsync/ssh but haven't seen any definitive solutions.
>
> did you read <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [1] ?
>
> > [...]
> > Oops I'm sorry. I'm actually using the following on the Windows machine:
> >rsync version 3.0.4 protocol version 30
> >OpenSSH_5.1p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8i 15 Sep 2008
>
> Apparently it works with that version for other people (but I'm just
> quoting,
> I don't backup Windoze ;-).
>
> Regards,
> Holger
>
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Where do I report problems with this mailing list?

[Holger Parplies]

Hi,

Peter McKenna wrote on 2008-10-27 16:07:17 +1300 [[BackupPC-users] Where do I 
report problems with this mailing list?]:
> I could not find an admin address for this mailing list so hopefully
> someone knows where this should go.
> Attached is a bounced message from the sourceforge mail server. It looks
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no, it's just plain stupidity of someone subscribed or his mail admin (your
e-mail reached me via the list four minutes after you sent it - just to
confirm). I've failed to find a list admin address as well (haven't looked
closely though), else I'd have requested that [EMAIL PROTECTED] be
removed from the list long ago. They don't respond to complaints, and these
bogus errors (to the original sender, not the envelope sender!) have been
annoying at least me for weeks now. I don't suspect the address receives any
list - if any - mail anyway :). So if someone with the power to unsubscribe
him reads this, please do. Thank you.

Regards,
Holger

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Shadow Copy in WindowsXP

[dan]

this happens only when outlook exits.  If you must exit outlook, then you
might as well use taskkill and close outlook in the prebackup script.

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Peter McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi Dejan,
> If you are trying to backup the clients PIM info from Outlook why don't
> you use Backup.pst? It's available from the Microsoft web-site free, but
> requires validation. It basically does a backup of outlook data to a pst
> file when the user exits Outlook. You can then back this up.
> Regards,
> Peter
>
>
> On Sun, 2008-10-26 at 08:48 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > hi,
> >
> > When searching the Internet, snapshots and shadow copy are associated
> with
> > Server versions of Windows.
> >
> > I have to use shadow copy on client machines to be able to backup Outlook
> > files but the only way I found to do that is by using XP's Backup
> program.
> > This Backup program unfortunately makes bkf archive which creates
> unwanted
> > additional steps in backing up/restoring.
> >
> > Any solution for this?
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Re: [BackupPC-users] How do you set a command to mount nfs backup share?

[dan]

?? why not autofs?  it will automatically mount a filesystem when access to
the path is attempted.

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Craig Barratt <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jeffrey writes:
>
> > So, ideally, I am looking for a "hook" to run in advance of any web or
> > backup operation that needs access to /var/lib/BackupPC.
> >
> > Does such a hook exist?
> > If not where would be the best place in the code to hook into?
>
> No, there isn't such a hook - BackupPC assumes the pool exists.
> Almost every program and CGI request will access some data below
> the pool.
>
> You could try putting some code in the BackupPC::Lib initialization,
> but you will have to think about what error recovery is appropriate.
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Re: [BackupPC-users] How do you set a command to mount nfs backup share?

[dan]

why done you just have the nfs mounted all the time?

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:38 PM, dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ?? why not autofs?  it will automatically mount a filesystem when access to
> the path is attempted.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Craig Barratt <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Jeffrey writes:
>>
>> > So, ideally, I am looking for a "hook" to run in advance of any web or
>> > backup operation that needs access to /var/lib/BackupPC.
>> >
>> > Does such a hook exist?
>> > If not where would be the best place in the code to hook into?
>>
>> No, there isn't such a hook - BackupPC assumes the pool exists.
>> Almost every program and CGI request will access some data below
>> the pool.
>>
>> You could try putting some code in the BackupPC::Lib initialization,
>> but you will have to think about what error recovery is appropriate.
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Re: [BackupPC-users] What is the latest on getting cygwin rsync/ssh to work for BackupPC

[Holger Parplies]

Hi,

Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote on 2008-10-26 09:51:06 -0400 [Re: [BackupPC-users] 
What is the latest on getting cygwin rsync/ssh to work for BackupPC]:
>  > Jeffrey J. Kosowsky schrieb:
>  > > I have googled and read a lot of posts about people having trouble
>  > > with cygwin rsync/ssh but haven't seen any definitive solutions.

did you read <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [1] ?

> [...]
> Oops I'm sorry. I'm actually using the following on the Windows machine:
>rsync version 3.0.4 protocol version 30
>OpenSSH_5.1p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8i 15 Sep 2008

Apparently it works with that version for other people (but I'm just quoting,
I don't backup Windoze ;-).

Regards,
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[BackupPC-users] Where do I report problems with this mailing list?

[Peter McKenna]

I could not find an admin address for this mailing list so hopefully
someone knows where this should go.
Attached is a bounced message from the sourceforge mail server. It looks
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[BackupPC-users] backupcentral.com (was: Re: Incremental dumps hanging with 'Can't get rsync digests' & 'Can't call method "isCached"')

[Holger Parplies]

Hi,

Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote on 2008-10-26 19:36:18 -0400 [Re: [BackupPC-users] 
Incremental dumps hanging with 'Can't get rsync digests' & 'Can't call method 
"isCached"']:
> [...]
> I tried to find your 'attrib' checking script and found the reference
> here:
> http://www.backupcentral.com/phpBB2/two-way-mirrors-of-external-mailing-lists-3/backuppc-21/suffering-from-the-backups-have-stopped-syndrome-rsyncd-conn-93117/
> 
> But for the life of me I can't find any links or references to where I
> can find the script itself.

I sent the script off-list, but I'd like to point out on-list that
ignoring attachments is not the only disservice to this list by
backupcentral.com. Wouldn't it be fun to unsubscribe them?

If you're reading this on backupcentral.com, please remember that this is a
mailing list, not a board, even if it may look like one. That means:

- Don't edit messages you have posted. You can't edit mails you have sent.
  backupcentral.com tries to emulate this and fails miserably.
- You may or may not get an e-mail copy of replies to your posts.
- Don't assume people you are expecting an answer from have the complete
  history of an ancient (or even recent) thread available. Quote what is
  relevant (and only that).
- Don't assume backupcentral is capable of getting threading right. Make clear
  what you are responding to. There is no such thing as an "immediately
  preceeding post" on a mailing list.
- Look for attachments in the original mailing list archive on sourceforge.
  There should be a link, but I don't believe there is.
- Don't be surprised by messages from 2008 showing up on page 113.
- If you ask me, don't post via backupcentral.com.


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Re: [BackupPC-users] Shadow Copy in WindowsXP

[Peter McKenna]

Hi Dejan,
If you are trying to backup the clients PIM info from Outlook why don't
you use Backup.pst? It's available from the Microsoft web-site free, but
requires validation. It basically does a backup of outlook data to a pst
file when the user exits Outlook. You can then back this up.
Regards,
Peter


On Sun, 2008-10-26 at 08:48 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> hi,
> 
> When searching the Internet, snapshots and shadow copy are associated with
> Server versions of Windows.
> 
> I have to use shadow copy on client machines to be able to backup Outlook
> files but the only way I found to do that is by using XP's Backup program.
> This Backup program unfortunately makes bkf archive which creates unwanted
> additional steps in backing up/restoring.
> 
> Any solution for this?
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Re: [BackupPC-users] What is the latest on getting cygwin rsync/ssh to work for BackupPC

[Peter McKenna]

I find it more convenient to do includes rather than excludes. Set the
RSYNC share to c:/Documents and Settings/ and then include Favorites,
MyDocuments and Desktop seems to work pretty well. I just make it clear
to users that anything not in those places will not be backed up. Of
course if there are any particular requirements on one machine you can
set that up on a per machine basis as required.
RSYNCD seems to be the most reliable method for me. I don't bother with
ssh.



On Sun, 2008-10-26 at 16:53 -0600, Linux Punk wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 4:49 AM, Steen Eugen Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > Jeffrey J. Kosowsky skrev:
> >>
> >> I have googled and read a lot of posts about people having trouble
> >> with cygwin rsync/ssh but haven't seen any definitive solutions.
> >
> > I don't think it has anything to do with cygwin or how you backup windows
> > machines, it's just that we keep running into file lock issues that messes
> > up backups.
> 
> I would tend to disagree because we have dozens of machines that
> backup successfully using rsyncd server (no ssh) but we ran into
> exactly the issues described when tunneling rsync in ssh. If it was a
> problem with locked files affecting rsync, we would see those problems
> in both instances. We've also tried backing up dummy directories that
> have no open files in them, and had that fail with rsync/ssh.
> 
> > To successfully backup Windows machine I need a huge exclude list, without
> > it things always seem to be very troubled.
> 
> We have a short exclude list, but we still get lots of failures on
> various files that should probably be excluded. We have no problems
> with the backups locking up on only certain files though.
> 
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Re: [BackupPC-users] How do you set a command to mount nfs backup share?

[Craig Barratt]

Jeffrey writes:

> So, ideally, I am looking for a "hook" to run in advance of any web or
> backup operation that needs access to /var/lib/BackupPC.
> 
> Does such a hook exist?
> If not where would be the best place in the code to hook into?

No, there isn't such a hook - BackupPC assumes the pool exists.
Almost every program and CGI request will access some data below
the pool.

You could try putting some code in the BackupPC::Lib initialization,
but you will have to think about what error recovery is appropriate.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Incremental dumps hanging with 'Can't get rsync digests' & 'Can't call method "isCached"'

[Jeffrey J. Kosowsky]

Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote at about 17:04:03 -0400 on Sunday, October 19, 2008:
Holger Parplies wrote at about 22:49:28 +0200 on Sunday, October 19, 2008:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote on 2008-10-19 14:58:15 -0400 [Re: [BackupPC-users] 
 > Incremental dumps hanging with 'Can't get?rsync digests' & 'Can't call 
 > method "isCached"']:
 > > Nils Breunese (Lemonbit) wrote at about 19:50:35 +0200 on Sunday, October 
 > > 19, 2008:
 > >  > Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
 > >  > > When running an incremental backup on my Linux system, BackupPC
 > >  > > repeatedly hangs when backing up the mythconverg mysql database for
 > >  > > mythtv.
 > >  > > [...]
 > >  > > Can't get rsync digests from
 > >  > > /var/lib/BackupPC/pc/consult/3/f%2f/fvar/flib/fmysql/fmythconverg/ 
 > >  > > frecord.MYD
 > >  > > (err=-2, name=var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/record.MYD)
 > >  > > Can't call method "isCached" on an undefined value at
 > >  > > /usr/share/BackupPC/lib/BackupPC/Xfer/RsyncFileIO.pm line 165.
 > 
 > a quick glance at the code reveals nothing (to me). I'll have a closer look
 > later.
 > 
 > >  > > The most disturbing thing to me is that BackupPC seems to be so
 > >  > > fragile in that if it encounters a problem, it seems to just hang
 > >  > > there (seemingly) forever without sending any error messages
 > 
 > 
 > > I imagine that either something (maybe the attrib file for that
 > > directory?) was written correctly on the initial full backup (or was
 > > later corrupted though not likely since I'm running RAID and the
 > > backup is fresh). This then caused BackupPC to crash when it hit the
 > > malformed part of the full backup.
 > 
 > 2.) Did you run the script I recently posted [1] to check the attrib files?
 > I'd like to think the time I spent coding it was not completely wasted.
 > If we actually found corrupt attrib files, that would be a start to
 > making BackupPC less "fragile", as you put it.
 > A further sanity check I should probably add to the script is a test for
 > the existance of files listed in the attrib file, but that's not as 
 > simple
 > as it sounds, because they may be in a preceeding backup of lower level
 > rather than the same one the attrib file is in. Which makes me wonder:
 > could the "backups" file be corrupted rather than an attrib file?
 > 

OK -- I just had another instance where BackupPC keeps hanging
mid-backup without warning (this is on backing up my Linux
server. So I really need to get on to troubleshooting this myself.

I tried to find your 'attrib' checking script and found the reference
here:
http://www.backupcentral.com/phpBB2/two-way-mirrors-of-external-mailing-lists-3/backuppc-21/suffering-from-the-backups-have-stopped-syndrome-rsyncd-conn-93117/

But for the life of me I can't find any links or references to where I
can find the script itself. Perhaps I'm being blind but could you
kindly point me to where I can find this most excellent script?

In case you are interested, here are the final few lines from running
"sudo -u backuppc /usr/share/BackupPC/bin/BackupPC_dump -i -vvv" manually
-
  
  
  
  create d 755   0/04096 var/cache/yum/adobe-linux
  create   644   0/0   0
  var/cache/yum/adobe-linux/cachecookie
  create d 755   0/04096 var/cache/yum/atrpms
  create d 755   0/04096 var/cache/yum/atrpms-bleeding
  create   644   0/0   0 var/cache/yum/atrpms/cachecookie
Can't call method "isCached" on an undefined value at
  /usr/share/BackupPC/lib/BackupPC/Xfer/RsyncFileIO.pm line 165.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] What is the latest on getting cygwin rsync/ssh to work for BackupPC

[Linux Punk]

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 4:49 AM, Steen Eugen Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jeffrey J. Kosowsky skrev:
>>
>> I have googled and read a lot of posts about people having trouble
>> with cygwin rsync/ssh but haven't seen any definitive solutions.
>
> I don't think it has anything to do with cygwin or how you backup windows
> machines, it's just that we keep running into file lock issues that messes
> up backups.

I would tend to disagree because we have dozens of machines that
backup successfully using rsyncd server (no ssh) but we ran into
exactly the issues described when tunneling rsync in ssh. If it was a
problem with locked files affecting rsync, we would see those problems
in both instances. We've also tried backing up dummy directories that
have no open files in them, and had that fail with rsync/ssh.

> To successfully backup Windows machine I need a huge exclude list, without
> it things always seem to be very troubled.

We have a short exclude list, but we still get lots of failures on
various files that should probably be excluded. We have no problems
with the backups locking up on only certain files though.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] What is the latest on getting cygwin rsync/ssh to work for BackupPC

[Jeffrey J. Kosowsky]

Tomasz Chmielewski wrote at about 11:42:22 +0100 on Sunday, October 26, 2008:
 > Jeffrey J. Kosowsky schrieb:
 > > I have googled and read a lot of posts about people having trouble
 > > with cygwin rsync/ssh but haven't seen any definitive solutions.
 > > 
 > > For me, Backuppc repeatedly hangs after backing up the first dozen or
 > > so files on any of my Windows machines. On any given machine, the hang
 > > always occurs on the same file but the specific file that hangs
 > > differs between machines. The file that it hangs on though seems to be
 > > a normal file (i.e. not corrupted).
 > > 
 > > When I run 'rsync -avuxH :/c/ ',
 > > the rsync process seems to copy over most directories (~12000/15000) but
 > > only 13 files before it too hangs. (Interestingly, the files copied
 > > over are not the same ones that get copied with Backuppc; also
 > > Backuppc only copies over a couple of directories (not 12,000) before 
 > > hanging).
 > >  
 > > I am using BackupPC-3.1.0 with rsync-2.6.9
 > > The cygwin remote versions are:
 > >OpenSSH_4.5p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8d 28 Sep 2006
 > >rsync  version 2.6.6  protocol version 29
 > > 
 > > Has anybody figured out what is wrong with rsync/ssh and how to fix
 > > it?
 > > Are there other (free) versions of rsync/ssh for Windows that would
 > > work better?
 > 
 > Your Windows version of rsync is very outdated.
Oops I'm sorry. I'm actually using the following on the Windows machine:
 rsync version 3.0.4 protocol version 30
 OpenSSH_5.1p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8i 15 Sep 2008

 > You may try the newest one from:
 > 
 > www.itefix.no/cwrsync
 > 
 > 
 > 
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 > http://wpkg.org
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Shadow Copy in WindowsXP

[Tomasz Chmielewski]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> hi,
> 
> When searching the Internet, snapshots and shadow copy are associated with
> Server versions of Windows.
> 
> I have to use shadow copy on client machines to be able to backup Outlook
> files but the only way I found to do that is by using XP's Backup program.
> This Backup program unfortunately makes bkf archive which creates unwanted
> additional steps in backing up/restoring.
> 
> Any solution for this?

Windows XP can't "shadow copy" whole drives, what server versions can.

You can "shadow copy" single files only.
Technically, you can use it when doing some local operations, but if you 
would want to somehow trigger it from BackupPC, would be very hard.


Some workarounds:

1) use roaming profiles
Outlook files are corrupted - "lucky me, I have backup of roaming 
profiles"? No, some Outlook files are being exmpted from being included 
in the roaming profile (some files are stored in "Local Settings" 
directory, which is not uploaded to the server).

2) write a script which copies local user files somewhere else - not in 
use, you can copy them on Windows...

3) yeah, Windows backups sucks...


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[BackupPC-users] Shadow Copy in WindowsXP

[dbatic]

hi,

When searching the Internet, snapshots and shadow copy are associated with
Server versions of Windows.

I have to use shadow copy on client machines to be able to backup Outlook
files but the only way I found to do that is by using XP's Backup program.
This Backup program unfortunately makes bkf archive which creates unwanted
additional steps in backing up/restoring.

Any solution for this?

Dejan


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Re: [BackupPC-users] What is the latest on getting cygwin rsync/ssh to work for BackupPC

[Tomasz Chmielewski]

Steen Eugen Poulsen schrieb:
> Jeffrey J. Kosowsky skrev:
>> I have googled and read a lot of posts about people having trouble
>> with cygwin rsync/ssh but haven't seen any definitive solutions.
> 
> I don't think it has anything to do with cygwin or how you backup 
> windows machines, it's just that we keep running into file lock issues 
> that messes up backups.
> 
> To successfully backup Windows machine I need a huge exclude list, 
> without it things always seem to be very troubled.

If you backup Windows 2003 or later, you should:

- snapshot your drives with shadow copy - this makes sure you don't have 
"file in use problem"
- run rsyncd service as SYSTEM user
- use the latest cwrsync with the latest _snapshot_ cygwin1.dll from 
http://cygwin.com/snapshots/ - it allows Cygwin programs to open files 
which are exclusively owned by other users


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Re: [BackupPC-users] What is the latest on getting cygwin rsync/ssh to work for BackupPC

[Steen Eugen Poulsen]

Jeffrey J. Kosowsky skrev:

I have googled and read a lot of posts about people having trouble
with cygwin rsync/ssh but haven't seen any definitive solutions.


I don't think it has anything to do with cygwin or how you backup 
windows machines, it's just that we keep running into file lock issues 
that messes up backups.


To successfully backup Windows machine I need a huge exclude list, 
without it things always seem to be very troubled.


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Re: [BackupPC-users] What is the latest on getting cygwin rsync/ssh to work for BackupPC

[Tomasz Chmielewski]

Jeffrey J. Kosowsky schrieb:
> I have googled and read a lot of posts about people having trouble
> with cygwin rsync/ssh but haven't seen any definitive solutions.
> 
> For me, Backuppc repeatedly hangs after backing up the first dozen or
> so files on any of my Windows machines. On any given machine, the hang
> always occurs on the same file but the specific file that hangs
> differs between machines. The file that it hangs on though seems to be
> a normal file (i.e. not corrupted).
> 
> When I run 'rsync -avuxH :/c/ ',
> the rsync process seems to copy over most directories (~12000/15000) but
> only 13 files before it too hangs. (Interestingly, the files copied
> over are not the same ones that get copied with Backuppc; also
> Backuppc only copies over a couple of directories (not 12,000) before 
> hanging).
>  
> I am using BackupPC-3.1.0 with rsync-2.6.9
> The cygwin remote versions are:
>   OpenSSH_4.5p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8d 28 Sep 2006
>   rsync  version 2.6.6  protocol version 29
> 
> Has anybody figured out what is wrong with rsync/ssh and how to fix
> it?
> Are there other (free) versions of rsync/ssh for Windows that would
> work better?

Your Windows version of rsync is very outdated.
You may try the newest one from:

www.itefix.no/cwrsync



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[BackupPC-users] What is the latest on getting cygwin rsync/ssh to work for BackupPC

[Jeffrey J. Kosowsky]

I have googled and read a lot of posts about people having trouble
with cygwin rsync/ssh but haven't seen any definitive solutions.

For me, Backuppc repeatedly hangs after backing up the first dozen or
so files on any of my Windows machines. On any given machine, the hang
always occurs on the same file but the specific file that hangs
differs between machines. The file that it hangs on though seems to be
a normal file (i.e. not corrupted).

When I run 'rsync -avuxH :/c/ ',
the rsync process seems to copy over most directories (~12000/15000) but
only 13 files before it too hangs. (Interestingly, the files copied
over are not the same ones that get copied with Backuppc; also
Backuppc only copies over a couple of directories (not 12,000) before hanging).
 
I am using BackupPC-3.1.0 with rsync-2.6.9
The cygwin remote versions are:
OpenSSH_4.5p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8d 28 Sep 2006
rsync  version 2.6.6  protocol version 29

Has anybody figured out what is wrong with rsync/ssh and how to fix
it?
Are there other (free) versions of rsync/ssh for Windows that would
work better?

(I did see one solution posted that involves tunneling rsyncd over a
manually set up ssh tunnel but I would prefer to just get the normal
rsync/ssh process working).


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