Re: [Bacula-users] How to backup shares on a NAS without bacula-fd ?

2010-01-20 Thread Carlo Filippetto
I don't know the answare, but if it runs samba means the the SO is
linux, so I think you can connect to it with ssh, and there I think
you can put and run one static-bacula-fd and the confing file..
If this works well in same folder you will find the mount point of his
disks, and you can find all the share
In this ways you can backup all the file with their permission, and
also the smb.conf file

I never have tried this kind of solution, but in my opinion it sounds good

:)



2010/1/20 Mikael Kermorgant mikael.kermorg...@gmail.com:
 Hello,

 We're planning to move file shares from a windows DC to a dedicated
 NAS appliance (something like a thecus N8800 for example).

 The NAS I've seen typically run samba, and can be joined to the domain
 to set up ACLs, but I've never seen any option to installl bacula fd
 on them.

 Before deciding for the hardware, I'd like to know how you cope with
 the backup of this type of appliance.
 Especially, is there a way to backup the acls ?

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Re: [Bacula-users] How to backup shares on a NAS without bacula-fd ?

2010-01-20 Thread Sean M Clark
On 2010Jan20 9:19 AM, Carlo Filippetto wrote:
 I don't know the answare, but if it runs samba means the the SO is
 linux, so I think you can connect to it with ssh, and there I think
 you can put and run one static-bacula-fd and the confing file..
 If this works well in same folder you will find the mount point of his
 disks, and you can find all the share
 In this ways you can backup all the file with their permission, and
 also the smb.conf file
 
 I never have tried this kind of solution, but in my opinion it sounds good
[...]
 
 2010/1/20 Mikael Kermorgant mikael.kermorg...@gmail.com:
 Hello,

 We're planning to move file shares from a windows DC to a dedicated
 NAS appliance (something like a thecus N8800 for example).

 The NAS I've seen typically run samba, and can be joined to the domain
 to set up ACLs, but I've never seen any option to installl bacula fd
 on them.

 Before deciding for the hardware, I'd like to know how you cope with
 the backup of this type of appliance.
 Especially, is there a way to backup the acls ?

I HAVE used a NAS appliance as a bacula storage daemon before.  In
principle, the idea of either obtaining or compiling (directly from the
NAS) a bacula-fd to run directly on the NAS device is plausible, and
might be the best way to save the filesystem metadata - in any case,
it'd be able to back up everything the NAS itself knows including ACL,
extended attributes, and so on.

Coincidentally enough, I'm about to set up a second NAS as a bacula-sd
box.  Perhaps I'll try putting bacula-fd on it as well, in order to keep
a backup of the NAS configuration files elsewhere at least.

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Re: [Bacula-users] How to backup shares on a NAS without bacula-fd ?

2010-01-20 Thread Dan Langille
Sean M Clark wrote:
 On 2010Jan20 9:19 AM, Carlo Filippetto wrote:
 I don't know the answare, but if it runs samba means the the SO is
 linux, so I think you can connect to it with ssh, and there I think
 you can put and run one static-bacula-fd and the confing file..
 If this works well in same folder you will find the mount point of his
 disks, and you can find all the share
 In this ways you can backup all the file with their permission, and
 also the smb.conf file

 I never have tried this kind of solution, but in my opinion it sounds good
 [...]
 2010/1/20 Mikael Kermorgant mikael.kermorg...@gmail.com:
 Hello,

 We're planning to move file shares from a windows DC to a dedicated
 NAS appliance (something like a thecus N8800 for example).

 The NAS I've seen typically run samba, and can be joined to the domain
 to set up ACLs, but I've never seen any option to installl bacula fd
 on them.

 Before deciding for the hardware, I'd like to know how you cope with
 the backup of this type of appliance.
 Especially, is there a way to backup the acls ?
 
 I HAVE used a NAS appliance as a bacula storage daemon before.  In
 principle, the idea of either obtaining or compiling (directly from the
 NAS) a bacula-fd to run directly on the NAS device is plausible, and
 might be the best way to save the filesystem metadata - in any case,
 it'd be able to back up everything the NAS itself knows including ACL,
 extended attributes, and so on.
 
 Coincidentally enough, I'm about to set up a second NAS as a bacula-sd
 box.  Perhaps I'll try putting bacula-fd on it as well, in order to keep
 a backup of the NAS configuration files elsewhere at least.

I think owners of NAS devices should start asking their suppliers for 
exactly that.  I mean: I bought this NAS.  Where's my Bacula FD?

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Re: [Bacula-users] How to backup shares on a NAS without bacula-fd ?

2010-01-20 Thread mehma sarja
I try to avoid NFS for heavy or prolonged use because of bad experiences. I
have an untried 15-bay Coraid AOE array. What I have accomplished is to
notice that the AOE array disks show up, without re-configuring the kernel,
on a linux box via the LAN and a mount later, it's available for use. I can
opt to go multi gig but my needs are tiny.

If anyone needs a test done, I'll be happy to comply.

Mehma
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On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Dan Langille d...@langille.org wrote:

 Sean M Clark wrote:
  On 2010Jan20 9:19 AM, Carlo Filippetto wrote:
  I don't know the answare, but if it runs samba means the the SO is
  linux, so I think you can connect to it with ssh, and there I think
  you can put and run one static-bacula-fd and the confing file..
  If this works well in same folder you will find the mount point of his
  disks, and you can find all the share
  In this ways you can backup all the file with their permission, and
  also the smb.conf file
 
  I never have tried this kind of solution, but in my opinion it sounds
 good
  [...]
  2010/1/20 Mikael Kermorgant mikael.kermorg...@gmail.com:
  Hello,
 
  We're planning to move file shares from a windows DC to a dedicated
  NAS appliance (something like a thecus N8800 for example).
 
  The NAS I've seen typically run samba, and can be joined to the domain
  to set up ACLs, but I've never seen any option to installl bacula fd
  on them.
 
  Before deciding for the hardware, I'd like to know how you cope with
  the backup of this type of appliance.
  Especially, is there a way to backup the acls ?
 
  I HAVE used a NAS appliance as a bacula storage daemon before.  In
  principle, the idea of either obtaining or compiling (directly from the
  NAS) a bacula-fd to run directly on the NAS device is plausible, and
  might be the best way to save the filesystem metadata - in any case,
  it'd be able to back up everything the NAS itself knows including ACL,
  extended attributes, and so on.
 
  Coincidentally enough, I'm about to set up a second NAS as a bacula-sd
  box.  Perhaps I'll try putting bacula-fd on it as well, in order to keep
  a backup of the NAS configuration files elsewhere at least.

 I think owners of NAS devices should start asking their suppliers for
 exactly that.  I mean: I bought this NAS.  Where's my Bacula FD?


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Re: [Bacula-users] How to backup shares on a NAS without bacula-fd ?

2010-01-20 Thread mehma sarja
What NAS did you get sd working on?

Mehma
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On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Sean M Clark smcl...@tamu.edu wrote:

 On 2010Jan20 9:19 AM, Carlo Filippetto wrote:
  I don't know the answare, but if it runs samba means the the SO is
  linux, so I think you can connect to it with ssh, and there I think
  you can put and run one static-bacula-fd and the confing file..
  If this works well in same folder you will find the mount point of his
  disks, and you can find all the share
  In this ways you can backup all the file with their permission, and
  also the smb.conf file
 
  I never have tried this kind of solution, but in my opinion it sounds
 good
 [...]
 
  2010/1/20 Mikael Kermorgant mikael.kermorg...@gmail.com:
  Hello,
 
  We're planning to move file shares from a windows DC to a dedicated
  NAS appliance (something like a thecus N8800 for example).
 
  The NAS I've seen typically run samba, and can be joined to the domain
  to set up ACLs, but I've never seen any option to installl bacula fd
  on them.
 
  Before deciding for the hardware, I'd like to know how you cope with
  the backup of this type of appliance.
  Especially, is there a way to backup the acls ?

 I HAVE used a NAS appliance as a bacula storage daemon before.  In
 principle, the idea of either obtaining or compiling (directly from the
 NAS) a bacula-fd to run directly on the NAS device is plausible, and
 might be the best way to save the filesystem metadata - in any case,
 it'd be able to back up everything the NAS itself knows including ACL,
 extended attributes, and so on.

 Coincidentally enough, I'm about to set up a second NAS as a bacula-sd
 box.  Perhaps I'll try putting bacula-fd on it as well, in order to keep
 a backup of the NAS configuration files elsewhere at least.


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Re: [Bacula-users] How to backup shares on a NAS without bacula-fd ?

2010-01-20 Thread Sean M Clark
On 2010Jan20 4:07 PM, mehma sarja wrote:
 What NAS did you get sd working on? 
 
 Mehma
 ===

It was a LaCie 2big network.  It took a bit of effort to figure out
how to get access to get bacula-sd installed, but it's actually been
running quite well ever since.

And, yes, I actually DID put in a request for bacula-sd natively
included in the factory software.  I got the usual thank you for your
input (i.e. yeah, whatever.) message back.

Nuts to 'em, I say - I'll do it myself.

I'm pretty sure I've seen instructions for setting up bacula-sd on
a Western Digital MyBook World Edition NAS as well.  Hypothetically
any Linux-based NAS ought to be able to handle similar modifications.

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Re: [Bacula-users] How to backup shares on a NAS without bacula-fd ?

2010-01-20 Thread Dan Langille
Sean M Clark wrote:
 On 2010Jan20 4:07 PM, mehma sarja wrote:
 What NAS did you get sd working on? 

 Mehma
 ===
 
 It was a LaCie 2big network.  It took a bit of effort to figure out
 how to get access to get bacula-sd installed, but it's actually been
 running quite well ever since.
 
 And, yes, I actually DID put in a request for bacula-sd natively
 included in the factory software.  I got the usual thank you for your
 input (i.e. yeah, whatever.) message back.

Well, if more and more people keep asking, writing about it in their 
blogs.  It's not something we talk about.  And the more people talk 
about, the more others will think about it, and say: yeah, that's a good 
idea.  Hmm, I bet I could add that in easily.

Sean: next time you add one in, or now, please document and blog about 
it.  Post it to the community forums, etc.

 Nuts to 'em, I say - I'll do it myself.

Good on ya.

 I'm pretty sure I've seen instructions for setting up bacula-sd on
 a Western Digital MyBook World Edition NAS as well.  Hypothetically
 any Linux-based NAS ought to be able to handle similar modifications.

I agree.

FYI, FreeNAS comes with Bacula built in.  It'll soon have ZFS as well.

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Re: [Bacula-users] How to backup shares on a NAS without bacula-fd ?

2010-01-20 Thread Dan Langille
Dan Langille wrote:

 FYI, FreeNAS comes with Bacula built in.  It'll soon have ZFS as well.

Sorry, it appears it already has ZFS.

And not quite built in, but with instructions:
  http://freenas.org/documentation:howto:adding_bacula_to_freenas?s[]=bacula


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