Re: [Bacula-users] These messages from Bacula are useless
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Dan Langille wrote: Jo, quite simply, you are a damn pain in the ass. If a developer does not want to do the fix, there's nothing you can do. Leave it alone. I've had this in as a _polite_ request to Kern for a couple of weeks, and there's a feature request filed for it. After that, I have a choice of waiting until someone has time to work on it, or doing it myself. Either way, it will take a while before it appears in the main source tree, simply because while it's only a 2 line patch, any changes to a project as system critical as bacula need to undergo full regression testing. In any case it is _unlikely_ that it will make any appearance in 1.38 at all unless someone backports it. My coding skills are lousy. I'm prepared to wait. Jo needs to learn to do that too. There are items more showstopping than ambiguous error messages which need to be dealt with (Getting confused about where tapes are loaded causes jobs to abort and I classify that as a showstopper even though it takes some human provokation to generate the problem.) and even with the (minor) bugs, Bacula is one of the best pieces of backup software available. AB - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] These messages from Bacula are useless
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 12:05:38PM +0100, Alan Brown wrote: In any case it is _unlikely_ that it will make any appearance in 1.38 at all unless someone backports it. My coding skills are lousy. I'm prepared to wait. I wasn't pushing for a fix. I've already patched the local message. I just was hoping to get confirmation that this would also get fixed in a later version so I could drop the local patch. Jo needs to learn to do that too. There are items more showstopping than ...than probably anything I've reported. I know that. I'm really not sure why a request to confirm that a problem was *known* somehow gets read as give me a patch right now! Stick to what I do say. I get in enough trouble with that ;-) -- Jo Rhett senior geek SVcolo : Silicon Valley Colocation - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] These messages from Bacula are useless
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: Kern, is this fixed in a newer version? I believe more information is printed in 1.39.x, but there are so many changes that I cannot remember the exact case that was enhanced. Can we get it fixed? If it isn't already fixed, then it will be some time unless someone sends a patch since it is not on the top of my priority list which is already too long. Generally one knows exactly which daemon you are dealing with from the context unless you are driving the console with a script. In the case of mismatched file daemons it's easy enough to work out which one is playing up by running status client on each one. In other cases (spooling/unspooling or client unreachable, etc) run out of schedules then more information about which client has trouble and which job has just started spooling/unspooling would be useful. AB - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] These messages from Bacula are useless
hello, it's not optimal but you can get each FD to write a log on its own box by adding an append directive to its messages settings. On 02/08/06, Alan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: Kern, is this fixed in a newer version? I believe more information is printed in 1.39.x, but there are so many changes that I cannot remember the exact case that was enhanced. Can we get it fixed? If it isn't already fixed, then it will be some time unless someone sends a patch since it is not on the top of my priority list which is already too long. Generally one knows exactly which daemon you are dealing with from the context unless you are driving the console with a script. In the case of mismatched file daemons it's easy enough to work out which one is playing up by running status client on each one. In other cases (spooling/unspooling or client unreachable, etc) run out of schedules then more information about which client has trouble and which job has just started spooling/unspooling would be useful. AB - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- R.I.Pienaar http://www.devco.net - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] These messages from Bacula are useless
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, R.I. Pienaar wrote: it's not optimal Indeed: Multiple concurrent jobs on the same FD are still not easily distinguishable. but you can get each FD to write a log on its own box by adding an append directive to its messages settings. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] These messages from Bacula are useless
On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:48 PM, Kern Sibbald wrote: long. Generally one knows exactly which daemon you are dealing with from the context unless you are driving the console with a script. These messages were e-mailed to me. No other context is provided. Message settings at default / standard from the example configuration files. On Jul 28, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Jo Rhett wrote: I haven't the foggiest idea which File Daemons it was unable to communicate with. Can we please expand the error message to include this information? Begin forwarded message: From: (Bacula) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: July 25, 2006 2:37:01 PM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bacula daemon message 25-Jul 14:21 backup0-dir: *Console*.2006-07-25_14.21.47 Fatal error: Unable to authenticate with File daemon. Possible causes: Passwords or names not the same or Maximum Concurrent Jobs exceeded on the FD or FD networking messed up (restart daemon). Please see http://www.bacula.org/rel-manual/ faq.html#AuthorizationErrors for help. 25-Jul 14:22 backup0-dir: *Console*.2006-07-25_14.21.47 Fatal error: Unable to authenticate with File daemon. Possible causes: Passwords or names not the same or Maximum Concurrent Jobs exceeded on the FD or FD networking messed up (restart daemon). Please see http://www.bacula.org/rel-manual/ faq.html#AuthorizationErrors for help. -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] These messages from Bacula are useless
Can we get it fixed? On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: If it isn't already fixed, then it will be some time unless someone sends a patch since it is not on the top of my priority list which is already too long. Generally one knows exactly which daemon you are dealing with from the context unless you are driving the console with a script. On Aug 2, 2006, at 3:42 AM, Alan Brown wrote: In the case of mismatched file daemons it's easy enough to work out which one is playing up by running status client on each one. Nope. No configuration changes since I got that message, and no repeats of the message. status client worked on every one of them. In other cases (spooling/unspooling or client unreachable, etc) run out of schedules then more information about which client has trouble and which job has just started spooling/unspooling would be useful. Yes. And given the number of different scenarios that this message could be generated for, I think that it's crucial. -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] These messages from Bacula are useless
On 2 Aug 2006 at 11:32, Jo Rhett wrote: Let's think about effort versus reward: 1. Fix to include the FD in question in the log : 5 minutes to write, perhaps even less. 2. Change the logging on every system -AND- Every time I see this error, send a message out to every team with servers to administer and ask them if they see this message in their local log. Hm. That's 2-4 hours of work every time I see it. That's *EACH TIME*. Can you understand why I can't take this seriously as a fix? Jo, quite simply, you are a damn pain in the ass. If a developer does not want to do the fix, there's nothing you can do. Leave it alone. You have two choices. Either accept decision or shut up and send in a patch. People decide what they want to work on. It's a volunteer project. If you don't like that, or cannot accept it, get out of open source. Please don't reply. Just accept it. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] These messages from Bacula are useless
On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Dan Langille wrote: Jo, quite simply, you are a damn pain in the ass. If a developer does not want to do the fix, there's nothing you can do. Leave it alone. The developer didn't suggest that as a fix, someone else did. I politely replied to let him/her know why this didn't make a lot of sense. What's the chance you'll stop with the personal attacks? -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] These messages from Bacula are useless
On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Dan Langille wrote: You still have a way to go. Keep at it. You have a lot of ground to make up. You made your bed, etc... it'll take a while for people to adjust to the new you. It's not a new me. I never was insulting to anyone who didn't start in on me first. The only new me is that I tried to stop providing a willing target. I always was, and continue to be, focused on solving real problems that affect us all. Not on playing these put-another-person-down power games that dominate this mailing list lately. -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] These messages from Bacula are useless
This will be my third time posting this. Kern, is this fixed in a newer version? Can we get it fixed? On Jul 28, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Jo Rhett wrote: I haven't the foggiest idea which File Daemons it was unable to communicate with. Can we please expand the error message to include this information? Begin forwarded message: From: (Bacula) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: July 25, 2006 2:37:01 PM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bacula daemon message 25-Jul 14:21 backup0-dir: *Console*.2006-07-25_14.21.47 Fatal error: Unable to authenticate with File daemon. Possible causes: Passwords or names not the same or Maximum Concurrent Jobs exceeded on the FD or FD networking messed up (restart daemon). Please see http://www.bacula.org/rel-manual/ faq.html#AuthorizationErrors for help. 25-Jul 14:22 backup0-dir: *Console*.2006-07-25_14.21.47 Fatal error: Unable to authenticate with File daemon. Possible causes: Passwords or names not the same or Maximum Concurrent Jobs exceeded on the FD or FD networking messed up (restart daemon). Please see http://www.bacula.org/rel-manual/ faq.html#AuthorizationErrors for help. -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation -- --- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php? page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] These messages from Bacula are useless
On Wednesday 02 August 2006 02:25, Jo Rhett wrote: This will be my third time posting this. I don't answer all message on this list but generally take note of them. Kern, is this fixed in a newer version? I believe more information is printed in 1.39.x, but there are so many changes that I cannot remember the exact case that was enhanced. Can we get it fixed? If it isn't already fixed, then it will be some time unless someone sends a patch since it is not on the top of my priority list which is already too long. Generally one knows exactly which daemon you are dealing with from the context unless you are driving the console with a script. On Jul 28, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Jo Rhett wrote: I haven't the foggiest idea which File Daemons it was unable to communicate with. Can we please expand the error message to include this information? Begin forwarded message: From: (Bacula) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: July 25, 2006 2:37:01 PM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bacula daemon message 25-Jul 14:21 backup0-dir: *Console*.2006-07-25_14.21.47 Fatal error: Unable to authenticate with File daemon. Possible causes: Passwords or names not the same or Maximum Concurrent Jobs exceeded on the FD or FD networking messed up (restart daemon). Please see http://www.bacula.org/rel-manual/ faq.html#AuthorizationErrors for help. 25-Jul 14:22 backup0-dir: *Console*.2006-07-25_14.21.47 Fatal error: Unable to authenticate with File daemon. Possible causes: Passwords or names not the same or Maximum Concurrent Jobs exceeded on the FD or FD networking messed up (restart daemon). Please see http://www.bacula.org/rel-manual/ faq.html#AuthorizationErrors for help. -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation -- --- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php? page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
