Re: Recent House letter
My guess of what Shoghi Effendi meant when he spoke of varied elements in the community would relate to the skills different people can offer. Certainly not to making sure we have a diverse mix of ethnic groups on the Assembly. Dear David, Why is that certain? I can't see how Shoghi Effendi could have been more clear. He says only those who best combine the qualities. The House letter isn't saying anything different. But there are often a number of people who combine these qualities and when they do there is no reason not to make things like diversity and gender equity a consideration as well. I can't see how the new advice is not disregarding this? I don't see how it is. If what I'm hearing is correct the House is now saying that we don't have to vote for the best nine people. No, they are simply ackowledging the fact that there might well be more than nine, and when there are we have other things we can consider. tell us to regard personalities (to achieve diversity). Where is there anything in that letter about personalities? I realize the House isn't infallible as far as interpretation, but I wouldn't expect them to err. I'll now have a read of their message. This isn't an issue of interpretation. It is an issue involving electorial proceedures which the Guardian himself admitted the House has ultimate authority over. In fact, he indicated that his own policies were only tentative pending the election of the House. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Recent House letter
Dear Susan, The Guardian doesn't have to have mentioned those. Electorial proceedures fall ultimately under the purview of the authority of the Universal House of Justice, not the Guardianship. Interesting. So then the House are introducing something new now? Regards, David The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. _ Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! http://www.live.com __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Recent House letter
David wrote: My guess of what Shoghi Effendi meant when he spoke of varied elements in the community would relate to the skills different people can offer. Certainly not to making sure we have a diverse mix of ethnic groups on the Assembly. I think the Guardian's intentions are made clear in the following: If any discrimination is at all to be tolerated, it should be a discrimination not against, but rather in favor of the minority, be it racial or otherwise. . . . So great and vital is this principle that in such circumstances, as when an equal number of ballots have been cast in an election . . . [and] are balanced between the various races, faiths or nationalities within the community, priority should unhesitatingly be accorded the party representing the minority, and this for no other reason except to stimulate and encourage it, and afford it an opportunity to further the interests of the community. (Shoghi Effendi, The Advent of Divine Justice, p. 34) Bearing in mind the extreme desirability of having the minority elements participate and share responsibility in the conduct of Bahá'í activity, it should be the duty of every Bahá'í community so to arrange its affairs that in cases where individuals belonging to the diverse minority elements within it are already qualified and fulfill the necessary requirements, Bahá'í representative institutions, be they Assemblies, conventions, conferences, or committees, may have represented on them as many of these diverse elements, racial or otherwise, as possible. Shoghi Effendi, The Advent of Divine Justice, pp. 35-36 Sandra The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Recent House letter
To put it simply: No. David Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Susan, The Guardian doesn't have to have mentioned those. Electorial proceedures fall ultimately under the purview of the authority of the Universal House of Justice, not the Guardianship. Interesting. So then the House are introducing something new now? Regards, David The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. _ Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! http://www.live.com __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Recent House letter
In my community we have about 75 believers on the rolls. I can think of 15 of them off the top of my head who possess the qualities Shoghi Effendi enumerates. What's the problem where you are? Regards, Scott David Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Susan, My guess of what Shoghi Effendi meant when he spoke of varied elements in the community would relate to the skills different people can offer. Certainly not to making sure we have a diverse mix of ethnic groups on the Assembly. Dear David, Why is that certain? It may not be certain, but I don't see why it would refer to what you mention. Without him expanding on that one word I would look to other letters where he told us how to vote to see what may have been meant. The other letters don't mention diversity in a demographic sense. I can't see how Shoghi Effendi could have been more clear. He says only those who best combine the qualities. The House letter isn't saying anything different. But there are often a number of people who combine these qualities and when they do there is no reason not to make things like diversity and gender equity a consideration as well. I may be missing something, but I'm not sure you have answered my main problem. Yes, I agree there are often a number of people who combine the qualities. But Shoghi Effendi says we should vote for the nine people who *best* combine the qualities. You and the House seem to be treating it as an all or nothing. Shoghi Effendi said to vote for the nine who best combine the qualities, not to vote for nine that have the qualities. If all we were required to do was choose nine with the necessary qualities then I understand how we could look at other issues. I was under the understanding that it's not necessarily good enough to have the qualities, one must be one of the nine who has them the most to be picked. I can't see how the new advice is not disregarding this? I don't see how it is. If one can't decide between a couple people I can understand taking other factors into account to settle things. The House doesn't mention this. Can you tell me how thinking of diversity and gender while deciding to vote for is at all necessary if we are to vote for only those who combine certain spiritual and intellectual qualities? I still don't understand how one can factor in diversity and still be likely to come to the same decision regarding whom to vote for. If what I'm hearing is correct the House is now saying that we don't have to vote for the best nine people. No, they are simply ackowledging the fact that there might well be more than nine, and when there are we have other things we can consider. Are you suggesting those additional people are tied in ability with one or more of the others? If they aren't as good as the others then I don't know why you'd vote for them. There might well be more than nine that are what? Good? It doesn't matter if they're good, but good enough to make the nine was what I've always thought. tell us to regard personalities (to achieve diversity). Where is there anything in that letter about personalities? Well, individually it could have that effect. Assuming it was understood the same elsewhere as in my community. If it weren't for a 21-year-old who just moved to my community I'd probably now be a shoo-in for election, given I'd be the only person in my community in their 20's! I'd be interested to know from others how the letter was interpreted. Are people going to still vote for the best nine judging by the qualities mentioned? One can assume the LSA's worldwide are going to have far more diversity this Ridvan. But are they going to be any more capable? I do worry about the progress of the Faith since I'm not at all confident the letter from the House is going to result in more capable Assemblies. Regards, David The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. _ Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! http://www.live.com __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in
Re: Recent House letter
Dear Scott, Thank you very much! (in fact I thought Mr Teller was a wellknown writer of a report) (-; Loïc - Original Message - From: Scott Saylors To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:29 PM Subject: Re: Recent House letter When the election call is sent out the assembly appoints a chief teller and assistant teller. They are responsible for counting the ballots. They report:total ballots cast, total ballots cast in person, total ballots absentee, total number of invalid ballots, and the nine individuals elected with the number of votes they received. If there is a tit for the ninth seat, they report that. Then whoever is in charge of the meeting asks the believers present to accept the teller's report, and the individual with the most votes for the assembly convenes the new assembly's first meeting where officers are elected. Once the teller's report is accepted the teller's report is used to fill out the election returns to national and it's all done. Since there is no electioneering allowed, there are no individual candidates to file petitions for re-counts and all that stuff. There are always two or three tellers and they have to submit the report unanimously what room is there for contention? Regards, Scott Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for being so ignorant... what is the Teller report? - Original Message - From: SKYGRAM To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:01 PM Subject: Re: Recent House letter Scott, Yes, I suppose that would be the best time to complain. I go back a bit more than that and I too have never seen it, though I wish I had. But if you were not at the elections themselves, would contacting the assembly itself be the proper course of action? Would contacting a counselor at the same time also be an approach? Is the why the number of votes won by individual assembly members is given at that time to the members of the community? Bill The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Recent House letter
Doesn't the word only imply that only what is mentioned here can be considered? The House makes various appeals to Shoghi Effendi in the relevant paragraph, but a quotation is noticeably absent when they say: From among the pool of those whom the elector believes to be qualified to serve, selection should be made with due consideration given to such other factors as age distribution, diversity, and gender. Where did they get that from? Where did Shoghi Effendi talk about those factors? Dear David, The Guardian doesn't have to have mentioned those. Electorial proceedures fall ultimately under the purview of the authority of the Universal House of Justice, not the Guardianship. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Recent House letter
Dear Susan, Look at the last sentence from the letter written on the Guardian's behalf and its emphasis on 'varied.' It seems to me this is very much in accord with the House's letter: The Assembly should be representative of the choicest and most varied and capable elements in every Baha'i community. (From a letter of the Guardian to an individual believer, August 11, 1933: The Spiritual Character of Baha'i Elections, p. 3 Hmm. I did see that word 'varied' there, yes. But I fail to see how we can be sure that's what Shoghi Effendi meant when he used that word. He gave no explanation. The other two words relate solely to abilities. My guess of what Shoghi Effendi meant when he spoke of varied elements in the community would relate to the skills different people can offer. Certainly not to making sure we have a diverse mix of ethnic groups on the Assembly. Furthermore, I should think the following letter from Shoghi Effendi shows that we aren't to strive for variety but just on who is most capable: If we but turn our gaze to the high qualifications of the members of Baha'i Assemblies, as enumerated in Abdu'l-Baha's Tablets, we are filled with feelings of unworthiness and dismay, and would feel truly disheartened but for the comforting thought that if we rise to play nobly our part every deficiency in our lives will be more than compensated by the all-conquering spirit of His grace and power. Hence it is incumbent upon the chosen delegates to consider without the least trace of passion and prejudice, and irrespective of any material consideration, the names of only those who can best combine the necessary qualities of unquestioned loyalty, of selfless devotion, of a well-trained mind, of recognized ability and mature experience. I can't see how Shoghi Effendi could have been more clear. He says only those who best combine the qualities. I can't see how the new advice is not disregarding this? And it does sound to me like it directly contradicts what the House said before: It is a basic principle of elections for Baha'i Spiritual Assemblies that each voter must vote for the nine people who, in his or her opinion, are best suited to serve. He may have a low opinion of all those who are eligible, but his duty is to vote for those nine from among them who, in his estimation, best meet the standards for service on a Spiritual Assembly. (From a letter written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to an individual believer, October 26, 1983) If what I'm hearing is correct the House is now saying that we don't have to vote for the best nine people. Again, Shoghi Effendi said: ...I do not feel it to be in keeping with the spirit of the Cause to impose any limitation upon the freedom of the believers to choose those of any race, nationality or temperament, who best combine the essential qualifications for membership of administrative institutions. They should disregard personalities and concentrate their attention on the qualities and requirements of office, without prejudice, passion or partiality. The Assembly should be representative of the choicest and most varied and capable elements in every Baha'i community. (From a letter of the Guardian to an individual believer, August 11, 1933: The Spiritual Character of Baha'i Elections, p. 3) From what I hear now, it would sound like the House isn't following it's advice and is trying to impose limitations on freedom and tell us to regard personalities (to achieve diversity). I realize the House isn't infallible as far as interpretation, but I wouldn't expect them to err. I'll now have a read of their message. Regards, David The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. _ Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! http://www.live.com __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail -
Re: Recent House letter
Dear David, Since the 1950's at least we have followed Shoghi Effendi's guidance on this which includes giving a tie to women or ethnic minorities for the ninth seat on local assemblies. If a man and woman have a tie for the ninth seat, it goes to the woman with no tie breaker. If a woman of ethnic descent and a 'REGLAR Amurican woman' are tied for the ninth seat, it goes to the ethnic lady. This also counts for Representatives to the National Convention and to offices within the assemblies, right on up to the National Spiritual Assembly. There is no change of direction or custom here, certainly no warping of Shoghi Effendi's guidance. Regards, Scott David Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Susan, Look at the last sentence from the letter written on the Guardian's behalf and its emphasis on 'varied.' It seems to me this is very much in accord with the House's letter: The Assembly should be representative of the choicest and most varied and capable elements in every Baha'i community. (From a letter of the Guardian to an individual believer, August 11, 1933: The Spiritual Character of Baha'i Elections, p. 3 Hmm. I did see that word 'varied' there, yes. But I fail to see how we can be sure that's what Shoghi Effendi meant when he used that word. He gave no explanation. The other two words relate solely to abilities. My guess of what Shoghi Effendi meant when he spoke of varied elements in the community would relate to the skills different people can offer. Certainly not to making sure we have a diverse mix of ethnic groups on the Assembly. Furthermore, I should think the following letter from Shoghi Effendi shows that we aren't to strive for variety but just on who is most capable: If we but turn our gaze to the high qualifications of the members of Baha'i Assemblies, as enumerated in Abdu'l-Baha's Tablets, we are filled with feelings of unworthiness and dismay, and would feel truly disheartened but for the comforting thought that if we rise to play nobly our part every deficiency in our lives will be more than compensated by the all-conquering spirit of His grace and power. Hence it is incumbent upon the chosen delegates to consider without the least trace of passion and prejudice, and irrespective of any material consideration, the names of only those who can best combine the necessary qualities of unquestioned loyalty, of selfless devotion, of a well-trained mind, of recognized ability and mature experience. I can't see how Shoghi Effendi could have been more clear. He says only those who best combine the qualities. I can't see how the new advice is not disregarding this? And it does sound to me like it directly contradicts what the House said before: It is a basic principle of elections for Baha'i Spiritual Assemblies that each voter must vote for the nine people who, in his or her opinion, are best suited to serve. He may have a low opinion of all those who are eligible, but his duty is to vote for those nine from among them who, in his estimation, best meet the standards for service on a Spiritual Assembly. (From a letter written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to an individual believer, October 26, 1983) If what I'm hearing is correct the House is now saying that we don't have to vote for the best nine people. Again, Shoghi Effendi said: ...I do not feel it to be in keeping with the spirit of the Cause to impose any limitation upon the freedom of the believers to choose those of any race, nationality or temperament, who best combine the essential qualifications for membership of administrative institutions. They should disregard personalities and concentrate their attention on the qualities and requirements of office, without prejudice, passion or partiality. The Assembly should be representative of the choicest and most varied and capable elements in every Baha'i community. (From a letter of the Guardian to an individual believer, August 11, 1933: The Spiritual Character of Baha'i Elections, p. 3) From what I hear now, it would sound like the House isn't following it's advice and is trying to impose limitations on freedom and tell us to regard personalities (to achieve diversity). I realize the House isn't infallible as far as interpretation, but I wouldn't expect them to err. I'll now have a read of their message. Regards, David The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error
Re: Recent House letter
When the election call is sent out the assembly appoints a chief teller and assistant teller. They are responsible for counting the ballots. They report:total ballots cast, total ballots cast in person, total ballots absentee, total number of invalid ballots, and the nine individuals elected with the number of votes they received. If there is a tit for the ninth seat, they report that. Then whoever is in charge of the meeting asks the believers present to accept the teller's report, and the individual with the most votes for the assembly convenes the new assembly's first meeting where officers are elected. Once the teller's report is accepted the teller's report is used to fill out the election returns to national and it's all done. Since there is no electioneering allowed, there are no individual candidates to file petitions for re-counts and all that stuff. There are always two or three tellers and they have to submit the report unanimously what room is there for contention? Regards, Scott Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for being so ignorant... what is the Teller report? - Original Message - From: SKYGRAM To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:01 PM Subject: Re: Recent House letter Scott, Yes, I suppose that would be the best time to complain. I go back a bit more than that and I too have never seen it, though I wish I had. But if you were not at the elections themselves, would contacting the assembly itself be the proper course of action? Would contacting a counselor at the same time also be an approach? Is the why the number of votes won by individual assembly members is given at that time to the members of the community? Bill The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Recent House letter
Dear David, Look at the last sentence from the letter written on the Guardian's behalf and its emphasis on 'varied.' It seems to me this is very much in accord with the House's letter: The Assembly should be representative of the choicest and most varied and capable elements in every Baha'i community. (From a letter of the Guardian to an individual believer, August 11, 1933: The Spiritual Character of Baha'i Elections, p. 3 warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
