Re: [BangPypers] array in python
If you want to actually capture and demodulate signals, you will need some sort of a RF frontend to get the data into the computer, and then process it using GNURadio. Otherwise, if you are just using simulated signals, it should be a fairly simple simple matter to store a sine wave in an array in Python. -Mandar ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] [x-post] Language Pages on the wiki
[x-posted to bangpypers and inpycon]
Hi Folks,
http://wiki.python.org/moin/NewLanguagePage , has a collection of
various language pages for Python.
Please provide links to any Python related article/tutorial in your
native language and feel free to create a new page if your language is
not listed there. The German language page is a good yardstick for
acceptable python content : http://wiki.python.org/moin/GermanLanguage
Alternatively, for your native language, please use Rami's code snippet :
***
(using KDE 4.3.0's Konsole):
[r...@tigris ~]$ python3.1
Python 3.1 (r31:73572, Aug 10 2009, 18:55:18)
[GCC 4.3.2 20081105 (Red Hat 4.3.2-7)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> def শালাম_বল(নাম):
... কথা = "শালাম {0}। কেমন অাছেন?".format(নাম)
... print(কথা)
...
>>> অামি = 'রামি'
>>> শালাম_বল(অামি)
শালাম রামি। কেমন অাছেন?
>>> তমি = 'Carl'
>>> শালাম_বল(তমি)
শালাম Carl। কেমন অাছেন?
***
Put it in a file 'salaam.py':
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
#!/usr/bin/python3.1
def শালাম_বল(নাম):
কথা = "শালাম {0}। কেমন অাছেন?".format(নাম)
print(কথা)
অামি = 'রামি'
তমি = 'Carl'
if __name__ == '__main__':
শালাম_বল(অামি)
শালাম_বল(তমি)
***
Run the file:
[r...@tigris ~]$ python3.1 salaam.py
শালাম রামি। কেমন অাছেন?
শালাম Carl। কেমন অাছেন?
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Re: [BangPypers] array in python
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:15 AM, harshal jadhav wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I am Harshal Jadhav, student at San Jose State University. > > I am using Python for my Master's project and i am a beginner. > > I am using python language for GNU Radio. For this i have a sampled signal. > The signal is a sine wave. I have to trap each sample of this sine wave in > an array. > Is it possible to capture the samples of the sine wave in an array in > python? Python has list, tuples and dictionaries.. choose the most suitable datatype :) regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] array in python
I think this may be of help http://www.ar.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp/members/david/softwares/index.html Look at the second item AudioLab in that page On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:15 AM, harshal jadhav wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I am Harshal Jadhav, student at San Jose State University. > > I am using Python for my Master's project and i am a beginner. > > I am using python language for GNU Radio. For this i have a sampled signal. > The signal is a sine wave. I have to trap each sample of this sine wave in > an array. > Is it possible to capture the samples of the sine wave in an array in > python? > > Regards, > Harshal Jadhav > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -- Asokan Pichai *---* We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal) ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] array in python
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:15 AM, harshal jadhav wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I am Harshal Jadhav, student at San Jose State University. > > I am using Python for my Master's project and i am a beginner. > > I am using python language for GNU Radio. For this i have a sampled signal. > The signal is a sine wave. I have to trap each sample of this sine wave in > an array. > Is it possible to capture the samples of the sine wave in an array in > python? > > Regards, > Harshal Jadhav > Please register at the site for further postings. I approved the posting even though you are a non-member. > > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] array in python
Harshal, I don't think anybody in this mailing list has experience with GNU Radio. Have you tried asking in GNU Radio mailing lists? http://gnuradio.org/trac/wiki/MailingLists Anand On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:15 AM, harshal jadhav wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I am Harshal Jadhav, student at San Jose State University. > > I am using Python for my Master's project and i am a beginner. > > I am using python language for GNU Radio. For this i have a sampled signal. > The signal is a sine wave. I have to trap each sample of this sine wave in > an array. > Is it possible to capture the samples of the sine wave in an array in > python? > > Regards, > Harshal Jadhav > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] array in python
Hi Everybody, I am Harshal Jadhav, student at San Jose State University. I am using Python for my Master's project and i am a beginner. I am using python language for GNU Radio. For this i have a sampled signal. The signal is a sine wave. I have to trap each sample of this sine wave in an array. Is it possible to capture the samples of the sine wave in an array in python? Regards, Harshal Jadhav ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] Fwd: [fsug-tvm][X] National workshop on SciPy - November 7-8, 2009
-- Forwarded message -- From: Sajjad Anwar Date: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:28 AM Subject: [fsug-tvm] National workshop on SciPy - November 7-8, 2009 To: fsug-calicut , fsug-tvm < ilug-...@googlegroups.com>, fsug-...@googlegroups.com, mes-f...@googlegroups.com Hello everyone Looks like University of Calicut is organizing a National workshop on SciPy, before the big event in collaboration with SPACE and FOSSEE. Dates are Novermber 7-8, 2009 Details are here http://c11.space-kerala.org/scipy/?q=node For Registration http://c11.space-kerala.org/scipy/?q=user/register Regards. -- Sajjad Anwar http://geohackers.in http://fsugcalicut.org +91 9995 19 13 12 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- -- ** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog Sent from Chennai, TN, India ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:38:25 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > > wrote: [..] > > > > > django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and > not > > > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a > > > software that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is > > > better than wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a > > > month).[..] > > > > One thing to consider is that the number of deployed installations of > > PHP based CMSs like Drupal and Wordpress is much MUCH higher than the > > Python based ones like Plone. That alone will skew the numbers quite a > > bit. > > > > There are cases of course where the software itself was not designed > > with security in mind perhaps for an earlier era (eg. Sendmail) where > > the number of exploits is quite high but I don't think Drupal falls > > into this category. > > > > Your comment however begs the question - do you feel that one of the > > reasons why Drupal is 'insecure' because it's coded in PHP. > Yes. Take a look at the cyber security bulletin from U.S home land security for Jan 09 as an example. http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB09-033.html I did a quick n dirty count using browser find in Firefox, and counted about 12 vulnerabilities related to Python in total. For PHP, I counted 25 and stopped counting. Of course, there is always the argument that Python is much less used on the web as opposed to PHP, which is the reason for this. You can find an argument in the lines of that here, http://fourkitchens.com/blog/2009/04/03/vulnerability-reports-are-not-indications-weakness He quotes Linus out of context, which is "Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow" which however does not imply , "Not given enough eyeballs, shallow bugs are actually deep pits waiting to be exploited". This is at best a strawman argument. > > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Project Officer > NRC-FOSS > http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:38:25 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: [..] > > > django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and not > > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a > > software that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is > > better than wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a > > month).[..] > > One thing to consider is that the number of deployed installations of > PHP based CMSs like Drupal and Wordpress is much MUCH higher than the > Python based ones like Plone. That alone will skew the numbers quite a > bit. > > There are cases of course where the software itself was not designed > with security in mind perhaps for an earlier era (eg. Sendmail) where > the number of exploits is quite high but I don't think Drupal falls > into this category. > > Your comment however begs the question - do you feel that one of the > reasons why Drupal is 'insecure' because it's coded in PHP? frankly I have no idea - apart from the empirical observation that most PHP apps have security pages/mailing lists and most python apps do not have them. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
Hi All, On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > cool - I wish your conference all the best, > Thank you. > but I have a serious beef. I would suggest that before spreading python > around the world, you could take a fewdays off and spread python around your > team. The post: > http://fossee.in/whydrupal > Kindly do check http://fossee.in/blog/Drupal. I will be forwarding this to Asokan Pichai who will be sending a more detailed reply. Cheers, Kadambari Devarajan. -- Check out my blog at http://kadambarid.livejournal.com ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Pradeep Gowda wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu >> wrote: >> [..] >>> If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this >>> group hasn't named a single one other than Plone? >> [..] > > There is Skeletonz http://orangoo.com/skeletonz/ > > Which is pretty "user friendly" from the demos I see. > > Some of the sites built using are : > http://aspuru.unix.fas.harvard.edu/About/ and http://birc.au.dk/ > which are pretty good looking sites and they are also similar to the > demography of the site maintainers of FOSEE. > > Skeletonz's developer is amix.dk who is a well known python dev (Plurk > project etc.,) > > And of course there is Zine whose administrative interface is closely > modeled after wordpress to help people > transition over from WP. > > Our own Jace uses it to power his blog - http://jace.zaiki.in > The source for some of his improvements can be found here : > http://bitbucket.org/jace > > Zine is also very easy to template because it uses JInja (a templating > language inspired by Django's templating). > > MoinMoin is a good candidate too, if you know how to create new > templates and hide the "wiki" artefacts like navigation elements. > > There are more, let me know what are the parameters you are using to > choose your own ;) I'm replying to my own post here.. But wanted to add: Zine's website is : http://zine.pocoo.org Zine is not *just* a blogging software. Zine can be configured to have a "fixed" home page and sections and of course a blog/news. The advantage of using Zine is, it is a WSGI aware server which can be wired together with other software including those built using django/pylons/zope etc., Zine is primarily developed by Armin Ronacher who has also brought to us Pygments (syntax highlighting), Sphinx (the official python documentation framework), so zine has some serious muscles behind it. +PG ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > [..] >> If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this >> group hasn't named a single one other than Plone? > [..] There is Skeletonz http://orangoo.com/skeletonz/ Which is pretty "user friendly" from the demos I see. Some of the sites built using are : http://aspuru.unix.fas.harvard.edu/About/ and http://birc.au.dk/ which are pretty good looking sites and they are also similar to the demography of the site maintainers of FOSEE. Skeletonz's developer is amix.dk who is a well known python dev (Plurk project etc.,) And of course there is Zine whose administrative interface is closely modeled after wordpress to help people transition over from WP. Our own Jace uses it to power his blog - http://jace.zaiki.in The source for some of his improvements can be found here : http://bitbucket.org/jace Zine is also very easy to template because it uses JInja (a templating language inspired by Django's templating). MoinMoin is a good candidate too, if you know how to create new templates and hide the "wiki" artefacts like navigation elements. There are more, let me know what are the parameters you are using to choose your own ;) +PG ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > [..] >> If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this >> group hasn't named a single one other than Plone? > [..] > > Perhaps not a general drupal like CMS but infogami which you work on > is surely an option? It is not production ready. Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: [..] > If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this > group hasn't named a single one other than Plone? [..] Perhaps not a general drupal like CMS but infogami which you work on is surely an option? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Vivek Khurana wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> >> I am not objecting to their choice of CMS, I am objecting to the blog post - >> which clearly sends the message that 'python sucks'. > > Python do sucks when it comes to having a CMS. I am yet to find a > decent CMS in python that gives me ease and flexibility of drupal. So > you hardly have any option other than using Drupal even though PHP > sucks. > Part of this could be due tot he fact that Drupal has matured over a > period of 9 years and has more contributors than any other CMS... I think so. PHP apps have had a headstart when it comes to the web. Especially boilerplate applications like forums, bulletin boards, CMSs etc. Many of the heavy duty sites out there use PHP as well (eg. Wikipedia). Wordpress for example has a really nasty security record but it's probably one of the most widely used CMS/blogging apps out there. It takes about a minute to install and set up and has a huge community with themes, plugins etc which makes it quite compelling even if you're a python person. I asked around about this when I was planning on moving away from WP for my own blog and most of the people on the python channel were of the opinion that people use Python blogging platforms simply because they are in *python* rather than for any other technical reasons and that was disheartening. Python does work a lot better when you're developing a new app from scratch though IMHO and in a while, if people fix the deployment hassles, I think it can make headway. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [..] > django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and not > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a software > that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is better than > wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month).[..] One thing to consider is that the number of deployed installations of PHP based CMSs like Drupal and Wordpress is much MUCH higher than the Python based ones like Plone. That alone will skew the numbers quite a bit. There are cases of course where the software itself was not designed with security in mind perhaps for an earlier era (eg. Sendmail) where the number of exploits is quite high but I don't think Drupal falls into this category. Your comment however begs the question - do you feel that one of the reasons why Drupal is 'insecure' because it's coded in PHP? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Madhusudan C.S wrote: [..] > Thanks for clarifying. We(The Python group of the FOSSEE team) have been > looking at this thread and the thread on Scipy India 2009 - SciPy.in. > > I don't want to make any comments on the exchanges in the threads. > > This is a blog post from one of the senior persons in the team on the > subject: http://fossee.in/blog/drupal [..] Your focus on your actual project rather than on a (rather passionate as far as I can tell) discussion about selection of CMSs speaks highly of your commitment. All the best with the conference. :) -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
Hi All, On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpil...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yes, it surely is more Sci than Py I would say. Still, it would be a good > conf for engineers and mathematicians and guys who need more > insights into numerical and mathematical problem solving. > > Prabhu Ramachandran is writing a blog post on Python and Scientfic Computing. I will send the link once it is up on the site. Cheers, Kadambari. -- Check out my blog at http://kadambarid.livejournal.com ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Asokan Pichai wrote: > [..] > > And equally inappropriate are the comments along the lines of 'for > > propagating python how can you use drupal?' because the site is for > > more than python and that is explained in the first page. > [..] > > Like I said earlier, selection of a non python thing for a conference > that's atleast partially Python related coupled with the tone of the > "whydrupal" page is going to steer a lot of heated conversations your > way. Not that there's anything wrong with doing that (the right tool > for the job etc.) > Couldn't help add this tailpiece... :-> You were perhaps technically correct in your decision, but politically incorrect... All the best to the conference! > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] Fwd: Nested try-catch
My mails seem not to go :( -- Forwarded message -- From: bhaskar jain Date: Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Nested try-catch To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India Anand, nice find.. But i read this in python docs - " Warning Assigning the traceback return value to a local variable in a function that is handling an exception will cause a circular reference. This will prevent anything referenced by a local variable in the same function or by the traceback from being garbage collected. Since most functions don’t need access to the traceback, the best solution is to use something like exctype, value = sys.exc_info()[:2] to extract only the exception type and value. If you do need the traceback, make sure to delete it after use (best done with a try ... finally statement) or to call exc_info() in a function that does not itself handle an exception." --Bhaskar. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: > [..] > > > > Has anybody else faced similar situation? Any better solutions? > > Can't say I've come across it. However, it looks like (and was > classified as) a bug which is fixed. :) > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Asokan Pichai wrote: [..] > And equally inappropriate are the comments along the lines of 'for > propagating python how can you use drupal?' because the site is for > more than python and that is explained in the first page. [..] Like I said earlier, selection of a non python thing for a conference that's atleast partially Python related coupled with the tone of the "whydrupal" page is going to steer a lot of heated conversations your way. Not that there's anything wrong with doing that (the right tool for the job etc.) but it's a conversation piece this is going to be the first of many such 'discussions' you're going to witness. :) -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: [..] > Btw, some part or whole of scipy.in is running on Django. [..] Scipy.in is in django fossee.in is drupal Details here http://fossee.in/blog/Drupal -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [OT] Re: [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Asokan Pichai wrote: > >and quite often very critical discussions. The rights are more than > >"inalienable", they are fundamental. > > > > inalienable: > unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor > > Does not seem to be lesser than Fundamental to me. > Consider it a sarcastic reply to the thinly veiled sarcasm in the 2nd line of his post. In fact, inalienable rights are more "fundamental" than fundamental rights. But that is out of context w.r.t this thread. You are welcome to a direct discussion with me. > > -- > Asokan Pichai > *---* > We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal) > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] [OT] Re: [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
> and quite often very critical discussions. The rights are more than > "inalienable", they are fundamental. > inalienable: unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor Does not seem to be lesser than Fundamental to me. -- Asokan Pichai *---* We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal) ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 4:44:10 pm Asokan Pichai wrote: > All the comments about the appropriateness of drupal for a python > conference site are misguided--because the conference site __is__ in > django. incidentally there is a readymade locally available conference management software made in django, available free of cost. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 4:44:10 pm Asokan Pichai wrote: > It is as much your assumption that KG's one line comment referred to > scipy.in that started this. And the first page of fossee.in explains > that python is only one of the components of the project. my objection was not to the use of drupal - after all one does not get passionate over the use of a tool - if it works for the person who has to use it, no problem. My objection was to the blog post 'whydrupal?'. The whole tone and attitude seriously upset me. > > All the comments about the appropriateness of drupal for a python > conference site are misguided--because the conference site __is__ in > django. so what prevents you from mentioning it in the footer? surely it is a good thing to acknowledge the software used? btw, I registered at the site, but am unable to log in (possibly log in is disabled?) > > And equally inappropriate are the comments along the lines of 'for > propagating python how can you use drupal?' because the site is for > more than python and that is explained in the first page. as far as I am concerned, the only thing that I object to is the blog post. Yes, freedom of expression is cool, but certainly not in an official website (that *is* the official website of fossee is it not?). It is generally not advisable to permit people to put up whatever they want on an official website (unless you plan to take responsibility for it). > > Now I am as much a fan of the no-holds barred discussions, but I would > like draw the line at comments that are not informed about the subject > matter at hand the comments were well informed of all the information available. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 4:36:36 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > wrote: > > Thanks for clarifying. We(The Python group of the FOSSEE team) have been > > looking at this thread and the thread on Scipy India 2009 - SciPy.in. > > > > I don't want to make any comments on the exchanges in the threads. > > > > This is a blog post from one of the senior persons in the team on the > > subject: http://fossee.in/blog/drupal > > This is a much more sensible post that then "Why Drupal" one, the >tone of which started the whole conversation. > >And forums like these exist for enthusiasts to indulge in lively, > no-holds-barred >and quite often very critical discussions. The rights are more than >"inalienable", they are fundamental. yes - and one can appreciate the fossee people for permitting even a junior member to sound off even though they would not necessarily agree with him. Even in a liberal place like NRC-FOSS I would have had to go to bat on behalf of a junior member who put his foot in his mouth like this - with no guarantee that I would not be bowled first ball ;-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Dear Anand, It is as much your assumption that KG's one line comment referred to scipy.in that started this. And the first page of fossee.in explains that python is only one of the components of the project. All the comments about the appropriateness of drupal for a python conference site are misguided--because the conference site __is__ in django. And equally inappropriate are the comments along the lines of 'for propagating python how can you use drupal?' because the site is for more than python and that is explained in the first page. Now I am as much a fan of the no-holds barred discussions, but I would like draw the line at comments that are not informed about the subject matter at hand Asokan Pichai On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Madhusudan C.S > wrote: >> >> >> Thanks for clarifying. We(The Python group of the FOSSEE team) have been >> looking at this thread and the thread on Scipy India 2009 - SciPy.in. >> >> I don't want to make any comments on the exchanges in the threads. >> >> This is a blog post from one of the senior persons in the team on the >> subject: http://fossee.in/blog/drupal > > This is a much more sensible post that then "Why Drupal" one, the > tone of which started the whole conversation. > > And forums like these exist for enthusiasts to indulge in lively, > no-holds-barred > and quite often very critical discussions. The rights are more than > "inalienable", they are fundamental. > >> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks and regards, >> Madhusudan.C.S >> >> FOSSEE Team >> >> > > > > -- > --Anand > > > > > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -- Asokan Pichai *---* We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal) ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Madhusudan C.S wrote: > > > Thanks for clarifying. We(The Python group of the FOSSEE team) have been > looking at this thread and the thread on Scipy India 2009 - SciPy.in. > > I don't want to make any comments on the exchanges in the threads. > > This is a blog post from one of the senior persons in the team on the > subject: http://fossee.in/blog/drupal > This is a much more sensible post that then "Why Drupal" one, the tone of which started the whole conversation. And forums like these exist for enthusiasts to indulge in lively, no-holds-barred and quite often very critical discussions. The rights are more than "inalienable", they are fundamental. > > > -- > Thanks and regards, > Madhusudan.C.S > > FOSSEE Team > > > -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 4:27:36 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote: > >> Possible. But writing a software requires time and you need to maintain > >> it. > > > > how much time? I wrote and deployed the ilugc.org.in site in two hours > > and deployed it in 10 minutes and I can happily sleep at night because I > > know there will be no need for security patches and maintainence. The > > biggest job is the weekly svn up in the django source. > > It took a month for in.pycon.org website to come up. What about that? a. it was slightly more complex than a simple cms b. it did not take a month, the approval process took a month - the site was up in a day or two at the most. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>> >> Possible. But writing a software requires time and you need to maintain it. > > how much time? I wrote and deployed the ilugc.org.in site in two hours and > deployed it in 10 minutes and I can happily sleep at night because I know > there will be no need for security patches and maintainence. The biggest job > is the weekly svn up in the django source. It took a month for in.pycon.org website to come up. What about that? ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 4:00:59 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > I'm sure many people on this list have rolled their own blogs, etc > > perhaps combining some existing apps for the purpose (My blog > > http://www.rajeevsebastian.com uses lifeflow with some custom mods and > > a custom skin). > > Possible. But writing a software requires time and you need to maintain it. how much time? I wrote and deployed the ilugc.org.in site in two hours and deployed it in 10 minutes and I can happily sleep at night because I know there will be no need for security patches and maintainence. The biggest job is the weekly svn up in the django source. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:57:14 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > because plone is a killer app and has killed all the other python CMS's > > So you agreed to my point. > > 1. Plone is difficult to customize customise as in maybe interfacing it with an RDBMS - otherwise it is dead easy to add new apps - and there are zillions of them. > 2. There are no good CMS softwares written in Python other than Plone yes, as far as I know. Incidentally this is not a mere academic discussion for me. I am engaged in a major war in Chennai LUG about what kind of website is needed. One side wants drupal, the other side says that drupal has too much bloat and too many unwanted features and it is better to have a simple site with minimal features. So we have two sites as demos and the users have to choose between them. One in drupal. The other in django. Both with minimal features. The problem arose because the old site was in drupal and it got cracked and all the old data was lost. you can see the two sites at http://demo.ilugc.org.in and http://demo.ilugc.in this unfortunate blog post would have tilted a lot of votes against me - fortunately the attention span of the average php/drupal phanbhoy is minimal and no one noticed it. the difference between the two sites is that the django site has only what is seen - the other one has a zillion features, all of them disabled. I leave it to you to guess which is which. So why only one python CMS? Mainly because most developers (as opposed to weekend warriors) can so easily make sites *precisely* suited to the needs in python, that no one realy needs a CMS with a million unused features. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Hello everyone, > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Anand Chitipothu > > wrote: > >> > >> > django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and > >> > not > >> > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a > >> > software > >> > that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is better > >> > than > >> > wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month). > >> > >> Django is not a CMS. > > > > ? Technically yes, but practically Django is the closest you can get to > > ? write CMS-y apps in Python apart from Plone. So though "Django is not > > ? CMS", "Django has CMS" and in pratical terms, that is good enough to > > ? say Djangi is like a CMS in common parlance. At least this is what I > have > > ? heard directly from people who build and support Django based websites > > ? in production, such as Ramdas. > > > > ? This is what is said in the Django FAQ also. > > Be practical. You are asking to write a Django application and start > customizing it by writing code and take the headache of maintaining > it? > > >> Setting up Plone and customizing is not very easy. I have tried and > >> gave up. Most Plone sites have a typical plone look and it indicates > >> that it is not easy to customize that. Try comparing number of themes > >> available for Drupal and Plone. > > > > ?It did not look like the scipy.in site is customizable.? I registerd as > a > > user > > ?there and there was no user customization options. But perhaps you > > ?just mean site level customization. > > I'm taking about customizing appearance. > > > ?Btw, don't say Plone is not customizable. We use Plone in the EIAO > > ?project and has create an entirely different product called worksite out > > ?of it customizing it in every possible fashion. Of course the person > behind > > ?it is a Python wiz, but it is not an impossible task to do as you are > > trying > > ?to make it sound. > > The person behind Plone might be a wiz and it might be possible to > build super-powerful websites using Plone. But Drupal beats Plone when > it comes to setting up simple websites like a conference website and > customizing look and feel. > > >From the appearance I can immediately say that http://www.eiao.net/ is > running on Plone. It has a typical Plone look. I couldn't say that > scipy.in is running on Drupal just from it look and feel. > > Btw, some part or whole of scipy.in is running on Django. > > http://scipy.in/scope > Thanks for clarifying. We(The Python group of the FOSSEE team) have been looking at this thread and the thread on Scipy India 2009 - SciPy.in. I don't want to make any comments on the exchanges in the threads. This is a blog post from one of the senior persons in the team on the subject: http://fossee.in/blog/drupal -- Thanks and regards, Madhusudan.C.S FOSSEE Team ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > > This is what is said in the Django FAQ also. > > Be practical. You are asking to write a Django application and start > customizing it by writing code and take the headache of maintaining > it? > It is super-easy to write CMS-y applications in Django. I have written one for my personal use (for monitoring investments) at home with my limited knowledge of Django. I can tell you I enjoyed it. The whole admin module of Django makes maintainence easy. > > >> Setting up Plone and customizing is not very easy. I have tried and > >> gave up. Most Plone sites have a typical plone look and it indicates > >> that it is not easy to customize that. Try comparing number of themes > >> available for Drupal and Plone. > > > > It did not look like the scipy.in site is customizable. I registerd as > a > > user > > there and there was no user customization options. But perhaps you > > just mean site level customization. > > I'm taking about customizing appearance. > > Hmmm they are running a conf website, aren't they ? Well, I dont want to argue too much but a CMS system is not all about customizing appearance and theming. > > The person behind Plone might be a wiz and it might be possible to > build super-powerful websites using Plone. But Drupal beats Plone when > it comes to setting up simple websites like a conference website and > customizing look and feel. > > >From the appearance I can immediately say that http://www.eiao.net/ is > running on Plone. It has a typical Plone look. I couldn't say that > scipy.in is running on Drupal just from it look and feel. > There is another reason why they chose Plone which you are not aware of and which many people miss when building websites. Plone is one CMS which is most developer friendly when building accessible websites, which the disabled and blind want to access. Since this project is all about accessibility, they chose it. The developer being a Python wiz helped, but that is not the main reason, nor is any special love for Python. The whole website is keyboard navigable and highly accessible. Also try http://ws.eiao.net/ for a slightly different look and feel, though I agree it is still "Plone"-ish. > > Btw, some part or whole of scipy.in is running on Django. > > http://scipy.in/scope > EOF. Let them run whatever they feel like. I am out of this conversation. > > Anand > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: >> >> I think its because its just so damn easy to roll-your-own that it >> doesnt matter. >> >> I'm sure many people on this list have rolled their own blogs, etc >> perhaps combining some existing apps for the purpose (My blog >> http://www.rajeevsebastian.com uses lifeflow with some custom mods and >> a custom skin). > > Possible. But writing a software requires time and you need to maintain it. > > I'm not arguing that Python is not good language for writing a CMS > software. I'm just stating the fact that there are no good CMS > softwares written in Python. I agree with you, rolling your own can't be a general practice. I was responding to the comment about Plone being a "killer" application. Last I looked at it, it was so comprehensive and mind-boggling that, I think it killed *me* ;) Regards Rajeev J Sebastian ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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> > I think its because its just so damn easy to roll-your-own that it > doesnt matter. > > I'm sure many people on this list have rolled their own blogs, etc > perhaps combining some existing apps for the purpose (My blog > http://www.rajeevsebastian.com uses lifeflow with some custom mods and > a custom skin). Possible. But writing a software requires time and you need to maintain it. I'm not arguing that Python is not good language for writing a CMS software. I'm just stating the fact that there are no good CMS softwares written in Python. Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:32:33 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote: >> > +1. You got to be a forgiving Solomon to remain so cool after reading >> > that post and I am not one when it comes to rants which are baseless. If >> > you agree with the poster that there are no good CMS in Python, then it >> > is your problem and not an opinion many in this forum are willing to >> > share. >> >> You may not agree to the view that Python doesn't have good CMS >> softwares. But saying that there is good CMS in python doesn't mean >> "python sucks". >> >> If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this >> group hasn't named a single one other than Plone? > > because plone is a killer app and has killed all the other python CMS's So you agreed to my point. 1. Plone is difficult to customize 2. There are no good CMS softwares written in Python other than Plone ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:32:33 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote: >> > +1. You got to be a forgiving Solomon to remain so cool after reading >> > that post and I am not one when it comes to rants which are baseless. If >> > you agree with the poster that there are no good CMS in Python, then it >> > is your problem and not an opinion many in this forum are willing to >> > share. >> >> You may not agree to the view that Python doesn't have good CMS >> softwares. But saying that there is good CMS in python doesn't mean >> "python sucks". >> >> If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this >> group hasn't named a single one other than Plone? > > because plone is a killer app and has killed all the other python CMS's I think its because its just so damn easy to roll-your-own that it doesnt matter. I'm sure many people on this list have rolled their own blogs, etc perhaps combining some existing apps for the purpose (My blog http://www.rajeevsebastian.com uses lifeflow with some custom mods and a custom skin). Regards Rajeev J Sebastian ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: >> >> > django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and >> > not >> > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a >> > software >> > that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is better >> > than >> > wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month). >> >> Django is not a CMS. > > Technically yes, but practically Django is the closest you can get to > write CMS-y apps in Python apart from Plone. So though "Django is not > CMS", "Django has CMS" and in pratical terms, that is good enough to > say Djangi is like a CMS in common parlance. At least this is what I have > heard directly from people who build and support Django based websites > in production, such as Ramdas. > > This is what is said in the Django FAQ also. Be practical. You are asking to write a Django application and start customizing it by writing code and take the headache of maintaining it? >> Setting up Plone and customizing is not very easy. I have tried and >> gave up. Most Plone sites have a typical plone look and it indicates >> that it is not easy to customize that. Try comparing number of themes >> available for Drupal and Plone. > > It did not look like the scipy.in site is customizable. I registerd as a > user > there and there was no user customization options. But perhaps you > just mean site level customization. I'm taking about customizing appearance. > Btw, don't say Plone is not customizable. We use Plone in the EIAO > project and has create an entirely different product called worksite out > of it customizing it in every possible fashion. Of course the person behind > it is a Python wiz, but it is not an impossible task to do as you are > trying > to make it sound. The person behind Plone might be a wiz and it might be possible to build super-powerful websites using Plone. But Drupal beats Plone when it comes to setting up simple websites like a conference website and customizing look and feel. >From the appearance I can immediately say that http://www.eiao.net/ is running on Plone. It has a typical Plone look. I couldn't say that scipy.in is running on Drupal just from it look and feel. Btw, some part or whole of scipy.in is running on Django. http://scipy.in/scope Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:32:33 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > +1. You got to be a forgiving Solomon to remain so cool after reading > > that post and I am not one when it comes to rants which are baseless. If > > you agree with the poster that there are no good CMS in Python, then it > > is your problem and not an opinion many in this forum are willing to > > share. > > You may not agree to the view that Python doesn't have good CMS > softwares. But saying that there is good CMS in python doesn't mean > "python sucks". > > If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this > group hasn't named a single one other than Plone? because plone is a killer app and has killed all the other python CMS's -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:26:38 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and not > > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a > > software that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is > > better than wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month). > > Django is not a CMS. it is software - the OP had asked for a software that does not have security issues. django is one such. > > Setting up Plone and customizing is not very easy. I have tried and > gave up. me too - but what is needed here is out-of-the-box use, as Pradeep pointed out, the default plone is all they need. No need for any customising. > Most Plone sites have a typical plone look and it indicates > that it is not easy to customize that. Try comparing number of themes > available for Drupal and Plone. well the singapore guys seem to have done a good job with the default plone. After all this is a website for an organisation, not a fashion competition. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > -1. Not a great way to build software. I wonder what they will > end up with. You might end up with some-thing half-assed that > is neither Drupal nor Python. > > Instead of doing line by line, do it at module level and with a proper > top down design. That way you would perhaps avoid some design > flaws in the original software. LOL ... thats exactly what I told him :) Regards Rajeev J Sebastian ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian < rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: > > You may not agree to the view that Python doesn't have good CMS > > softwares. But saying that there is good CMS in python doesn't mean > > "python sucks". > > > > If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this > > group hasn't named a single one other than Plone? > > +1 > > Also, there is a project made by one of my friends - drupy its called > (implementation of drupal in python). they are doing a line-by-line > translation of drupal to python. > -1. Not a great way to build software. I wonder what they will end up with. You might end up with some-thing half-assed that is neither Drupal nor Python. Instead of doing line by line, do it at module level and with a proper top down design. That way you would perhaps avoid some design flaws in the original software. > > Regards > Rajeev J Sebastian > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and not > > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a > software > > that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is better > than > > wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month). > > Django is not a CMS. > Technically yes, but practically Django is the closest you can get to write CMS-y apps in Python apart from Plone. So though "Django is not CMS", "Django has CMS" and in pratical terms, that is good enough to say Djangi is like a CMS in common parlance. At least this is what I have heard directly from people who build and support Django based websites in production, such as Ramdas. This is what is said in the Django FAQ also. > > Setting up Plone and customizing is not very easy. I have tried and > gave up. Most Plone sites have a typical plone look and it indicates > that it is not easy to customize that. Try comparing number of themes > available for Drupal and Plone. > It did not look like the scipy.in site is customizable. I registerd as a user there and there was no user customization options. But perhaps you just mean site level customization. Btw, don't say Plone is not customizable. We use Plone in the EIAO project and has create an entirely different product called worksite out of it customizing it in every possible fashion. Of course the person behind it is a Python wiz, but it is not an impossible task to do as you are trying to make it sound. > > Anand > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > You may not agree to the view that Python doesn't have good CMS > softwares. But saying that there is good CMS in python doesn't mean > "python sucks". > > If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this > group hasn't named a single one other than Plone? +1 Also, there is a project made by one of my friends - drupy its called (implementation of drupal in python). they are doing a line-by-line translation of drupal to python. Regards Rajeev J Sebastian ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>> That's how I read it as well but given the large number of web >> frameworks and CMSs for Python, this decision of theirs is going to >> come up repeatedly during their efforts. Also, the tone of that page >> was quite provocative. > > +1. You got to be a forgiving Solomon to remain so cool after reading that > post and I am not one when it comes to rants which are baseless. If you > agree with the poster that there are no good CMS in Python, then it is your > problem and not an opinion many in this forum are willing to share. You may not agree to the view that Python doesn't have good CMS softwares. But saying that there is good CMS in python doesn't mean "python sucks". If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this group hasn't named a single one other than Plone? Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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> django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and not > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a software > that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is better than > wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month). Django is not a CMS. Setting up Plone and customizing is not very easy. I have tried and gave up. Most Plone sites have a typical plone look and it indicates that it is not easy to customize that. Try comparing number of themes available for Drupal and Plone. Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 1:58:17 pm Vivek Khurana wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 12:44:33 pm Vivek Khurana wrote: > > > > if it has matured, how come there are still at least one critical > > security issue per month? > > Good question... would you point me to a software that doesnt have > security issue ? django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and not affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a software that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is better than wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month). -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 12:44:33 pm Vivek Khurana wrote: > > if it has matured, how come there are still at least one critical security > issue per month? Good question... would you point me to a software that doesnt have security issue ? And the security issue is handled before it starts affecting the deployed sites, is a sign of maturity itself... regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Pickle multiple objects
Oops formatting got mucked up. Should be
def pickledobjects(f):
try:
while True:
yield pickle.load(f)
except EOFError:
pass
objs = list(pickledobjects(file("fi")))
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Re: [BangPypers] Pickle multiple objects
Hi,
I'm guessing you want to do something like this
>>> fo = file("test.pkl", "w")
>>> pickle.dump([1,2,3,4], fo)
>>> pickle.dump([5,6,7,8], fo)
>>> fo.close()
>>> fi = file("test.pkl")
>>> pickle.load(fi)
[1, 2, 3, 4]
>>> pickle.load(fi)
[5, 6, 7, 8]
>>> pickle.load(fi)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
pickle.load(fi)
File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/pickle.py",
line 1370, in load
return Unpickler(file).load()
File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/pickle.py",
line 858, in load
dispatch[key](self)
File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/pickle.py",
line 880, in load_eof
raise EOFError
EOFError
You will need to handle the EOFError in a try catch block.
maybe
def pickledobjects(f):
try:
while True:
yield pickle.load(f)
except EOFError:
pass
objs = list(pickledobjects(file("fi")))
Though, is this isn't a large amount of data, I'd recommend just storing
the data in a single object and writing that to the file.
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Aneesh A wrote:
> Hi friends,
>I am new to python world. I am doing a small python game ( command line
> based). The problem is:
>
> I have to store high scores, so i pickled a list . after pickling, in
> append mode, load method loads only first object.
>
> How to retrieve multiple objects??
>
> I am attaching a source.
>
> Look the alpha.
>
>
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On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 10:31:10 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Kadambari Devarajan > > wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > The first "Scientific Computing with Python" conference in India > > (http://scipy.in) will be held from December 12th to 17th, 2009 at the > > Technopark in Trivandrum, Kerala, India (http://www.technopark.org/). > > 5 days worth Sci and Py is a lot. :) > > I'll definitely be there. It would be great to meet up with fossee > people again too. me too - have some inlaws to visit, and I would love to meet the author of the (in)famous blog post ;-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Pickle multiple objects
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Aneesh A wrote:
> I have to store high scores, so i pickled a list . after pickling, in append
> mode, load method loads only first object.
> How to retrieve multiple objects??
What does this do:
import cPickle as pickle
list = [ (i, str(i)) for i in range(10) ]
print list
pickle.dump(list, file('dump', 'wb'), -1)
list = pickle.load(file('dump', 'rb'))
print list
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On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Kadambari Devarajan wrote: > Greetings, > > The first "Scientific Computing with Python" conference in India > (http://scipy.in) will be held from December 12th to 17th, 2009 at the > Technopark in Trivandrum, Kerala, India (http://www.technopark.org/). 5 days worth Sci and Py is a lot. :) I'll definitely be there. It would be great to meet up with fossee people again too. [..] -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Pickle multiple objects
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Aneesh A wrote:
>> I have to store high scores, so i pickled a list . after pickling, in append
>> mode, load method loads only first object.
>> How to retrieve multiple objects??
>
> What does this do:
>
> import cPickle as pickle
> list = [ (i, str(i)) for i in range(10) ]
> print list
> pickle.dump(list, file('dump', 'wb'), -1)
> list = pickle.load(file('dump', 'rb'))
> print list
>
Also, in
store_highscores(highscore)
the subject and verb don't match. Do you want to
store_highscores(highscores) or store_highscore(highscore)?
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On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 12:44:33 pm Vivek Khurana wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > I am not objecting to their choice of CMS, I am objecting to the blog > > post - which clearly sends the message that 'python sucks'. > > Python do sucks when it comes to having a CMS. I am yet to find a > decent CMS in python that gives me ease and flexibility of drupal. try plone > So > you hardly have any option other than using Drupal even though PHP > sucks. > Part of this could be due tot he fact that Drupal has matured over a > period of 9 years and has more contributors than any other CMS... if it has matured, how come there are still at least one critical security issue per month? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Hi friends, I am new to python world. I am doing a small python game ( command line based). The problem is: I have to store high scores, so i pickled a list . after pickling, in append mode, load method loads only first object. How to retrieve multiple objects?? I am attaching a source. Look the alpha. -- +91 903 755 72 73 For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Software Installation etc. My blog : http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ Earn money by Read/Write Articles: http://tr.im/znaZ Reading mails: http://tr.im/yEYk guess_me_0.9_alpha_1.py Description: Binary data guess_me_0.4_stable.py Description: Binary data ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > I am not objecting to their choice of CMS, I am objecting to the blog post - > which clearly sends the message that 'python sucks'. Python do sucks when it comes to having a CMS. I am yet to find a decent CMS in python that gives me ease and flexibility of drupal. So you hardly have any option other than using Drupal even though PHP sucks. Part of this could be due tot he fact that Drupal has matured over a period of 9 years and has more contributors than any other CMS... regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
