Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
hi > I might add that you can't code in Python on the Android, since > it runs only Java apps. I heard there are efforts to bring X language > apps into Android, but none is yet mature. > > I have been following android for a while now and i have used Android Scripting Environment (ASE) exist. Of couse you may not be able to build full fledged app but considering google's love toward python soon this will be a reality. reference http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/06/introducing-android-scripting.html http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/ some examples http://indefinitestudies.org/2009/06/20/command-your-shiny-android-in-python/ http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/wiki/PythonAndroidAPI - sree ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 01:47:50AM -0800, Sam's Lists wrote: > Now if your goal is to make a lot of money with an application that you > write in the next six months, clearly you'd want to chose Symbian over the > N900. But really, you'd want to choose the iPhone if that was your goal. > And that would mean no Python. :( I can draw one relation to python in this advice. Namely, "practicality beats purity". :) So, there you go. -- Senthil Promptness is its own reward, if one lives by the clock instead of the sword. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
I think whether you chose Symbian or Mameo comes down to whether you are betting on the future of cell phones being Linux or not, and what sort of time frame you are most concerned about. Many cell phones currently run Linux behind the scenes. The N900 (excluding one or two failed "open source" phones) represents the most Linux-y of these Linux phones. By that I mean it is the closest to Linux in terms of the ecosystem - the same tools, libraries, etc. we find on the desktop and the server (and again - I emphasize closest..not the same). I suspect that twenty years from now the spiritual ancestor of many phones - not just from Nokia - will be the N900. I'll be shocked if Symbian is still available on new phone models five years from now. It will certainly take a while before Nokia switches everything - and they have to be careful with what they say today - they still need to sell plenty of Symbian phones in the meantime. Now if your goal is to make a lot of money with an application that you write in the next six months, clearly you'd want to chose Symbian over the N900. But really, you'd want to choose the iPhone if that was your goal. And that would mean no Python. :( On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpil...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Pankaj Nathani > wrote: > > > Hi Anand, > > > > >Now let me ask you, if you are starting mobile development today > > and given these two phones, which one will you pick ? > > > > I had choose Symbian over Maemo for now, only for the fact that there is > > just one phone device with Maemo on it and other devices to be released > are > > going to be mobile computers rather than phones. > > > > > Ok. I would opt for N900 cuz I expect the tablet computer/Internet mobile > device/smart-phone divisions to blur in the coming years. Most of > mobile computing is going to be on such devices and yes Symbian > would still run on lower-end phones, but that is not a class of technology > I worry about. > > > > > > >I might be mistaken here, but PyS60 has been there for some time - > > but can you point out at least a few popular applications entirely > > developed using it ? I can't find even one good game that has been coded > > entirely in PyS60 so far. > > > > > > > http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Python_Technical_Overview#Sample_Applications > > http://croozeus.com/blogs/?page_id=838 > > > > I see you are an avid PyS60 developer :) > > > > Cheers, > > Pankaj! > > > > > > > > > > From: Anand Balachandran Pillai > > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > > Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 11:57:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development > > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Pankaj Nathani > > wrote: > > > > > I have to say something here :-) > > > > > > >Symbian is nearing end-of-life as the chosen platform for smartphones > > > for Nokia. > > > > > > Well, thats not true. Symbian is going to be the platform for > smartphone > > > development for Nokia. Nothing is stopping them from doing so. > > > > > > > Hmmm...I looked at N97 and N900 specs and apart from better display > > (OpenGL) on the latter and the difference in the OS (and perhaps camera > > also) there was nothing much to choose from among them. > > > > Now let me ask you, if you are starting mobile development today > > and given these two phones, which one will you pick ? > > > > > > > > > > Maemo is target to high end mobile devices - tablets/netbooks, etc. So > > you > > > will be seeing some products from Nokia on Maemo targeted to such > > consumers. > > > Maemo and Symbian are never on the same level of competition, remember. > > > > > > Symbian has its open plan for years ahead - Symbian^1 (already > present), > > > Symbian^2 (Starting 2010), Symbian^3 (mid 2010) and Symbian^4 (end > 2010) > > > ahead. Also, the same pattern reflects on Nokia's roadmap - the plan > for > > > 2010 and ahead from the Nokia's Capital Markets day. > > > > > > Regarding PyS60, yes its getting better and getting more mobility > > > functionalities - it has been ported to core 2.5 and you should be > seeing > > a > > > new release very soon as well. And yes, Python is also supported on > > Maemo. > > > > > > > Almost anything that compiles on a Debian and can be ported using > > Scratc
Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Pankaj Nathani wrote: > Hi Anand, > > >Now let me ask you, if you are starting mobile development today > and given these two phones, which one will you pick ? > > I had choose Symbian over Maemo for now, only for the fact that there is > just one phone device with Maemo on it and other devices to be released are > going to be mobile computers rather than phones. > > Ok. I would opt for N900 cuz I expect the tablet computer/Internet mobile device/smart-phone divisions to blur in the coming years. Most of mobile computing is going to be on such devices and yes Symbian would still run on lower-end phones, but that is not a class of technology I worry about. > > >I might be mistaken here, but PyS60 has been there for some time - > but can you point out at least a few popular applications entirely > developed using it ? I can't find even one good game that has been coded > entirely in PyS60 so far. > > > http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Python_Technical_Overview#Sample_Applications > http://croozeus.com/blogs/?page_id=838 > I see you are an avid PyS60 developer :) > Cheers, > Pankaj! > > > > > From: Anand Balachandran Pillai > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 11:57:52 AM > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Pankaj Nathani > wrote: > > > I have to say something here :-) > > > > >Symbian is nearing end-of-life as the chosen platform for smartphones > > for Nokia. > > > > Well, thats not true. Symbian is going to be the platform for smartphone > > development for Nokia. Nothing is stopping them from doing so. > > > > Hmmm...I looked at N97 and N900 specs and apart from better display > (OpenGL) on the latter and the difference in the OS (and perhaps camera > also) there was nothing much to choose from among them. > > Now let me ask you, if you are starting mobile development today > and given these two phones, which one will you pick ? > > > > > > Maemo is target to high end mobile devices - tablets/netbooks, etc. So > you > > will be seeing some products from Nokia on Maemo targeted to such > consumers. > > Maemo and Symbian are never on the same level of competition, remember. > > > > Symbian has its open plan for years ahead - Symbian^1 (already present), > > Symbian^2 (Starting 2010), Symbian^3 (mid 2010) and Symbian^4 (end 2010) > > ahead. Also, the same pattern reflects on Nokia's roadmap - the plan for > > 2010 and ahead from the Nokia's Capital Markets day. > > > > Regarding PyS60, yes its getting better and getting more mobility > > functionalities - it has been ported to core 2.5 and you should be seeing > a > > new release very soon as well. And yes, Python is also supported on > Maemo. > > > > Almost anything that compiles on a Debian and can be ported using > Scratchbox (which is again almost any Linux app) will run on Maemo. > You have a wide choice of platforms to code on - Python, C/C++, > Ruby anything. > > I might be mistaken here, but PyS60 has been there for some time - > but can you point out at least a few popular applications entirely > developed using it ? I can't find even one good game that has been coded > entirely in PyS60 so far. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Pankaj. > > (Croozeus) > > > > > > > > > > From: Anand Balachandran Pillai > > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > > Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 9:54:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development > > > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Anish Kurian > wrote: > > > > > you sure can develop mobile applications using python. > > > u can download the SDK for particular group of handset. Nokia S60 > mobiles > > > use PyS60 SDK. Maybe similar ones are available for other handsets. > > > > > > > Symbian is nearing end-of-life as the chosen platform for smartphones > > for Nokia. As you might know N900 was recently released in select markets > > around the world and it runs a fully Debian-derived Linux OS named > > Maemo. I have been reading through N900 and Maemo reviews and > > this looks like disruptive technology. > > > > Symbian is still the largest selling smartphone OS right now, but > > can't stand up to the challenges posed by Android, Web OS etc. > > Symbian is not developer friendly and has stability issues. I am > > looking forward to get
Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
Hi Anand, >Now let me ask you, if you are starting mobile development today and given these two phones, which one will you pick ? I had choose Symbian over Maemo for now, only for the fact that there is just one phone device with Maemo on it and other devices to be released are going to be mobile computers rather than phones. >I might be mistaken here, but PyS60 has been there for some time - but can you point out at least a few popular applications entirely developed using it ? I can't find even one good game that has been coded entirely in PyS60 so far. http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Python_Technical_Overview#Sample_Applications http://croozeus.com/blogs/?page_id=838 Cheers, Pankaj! From: Anand Balachandran Pillai To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 11:57:52 AM Subject: Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Pankaj Nathani wrote: > I have to say something here :-) > > >Symbian is nearing end-of-life as the chosen platform for smartphones > for Nokia. > > Well, thats not true. Symbian is going to be the platform for smartphone > development for Nokia. Nothing is stopping them from doing so. > Hmmm...I looked at N97 and N900 specs and apart from better display (OpenGL) on the latter and the difference in the OS (and perhaps camera also) there was nothing much to choose from among them. Now let me ask you, if you are starting mobile development today and given these two phones, which one will you pick ? > > Maemo is target to high end mobile devices - tablets/netbooks, etc. So you > will be seeing some products from Nokia on Maemo targeted to such consumers. > Maemo and Symbian are never on the same level of competition, remember. > > Symbian has its open plan for years ahead - Symbian^1 (already present), > Symbian^2 (Starting 2010), Symbian^3 (mid 2010) and Symbian^4 (end 2010) > ahead. Also, the same pattern reflects on Nokia's roadmap - the plan for > 2010 and ahead from the Nokia's Capital Markets day. > > Regarding PyS60, yes its getting better and getting more mobility > functionalities - it has been ported to core 2.5 and you should be seeing a > new release very soon as well. And yes, Python is also supported on Maemo. > Almost anything that compiles on a Debian and can be ported using Scratchbox (which is again almost any Linux app) will run on Maemo. You have a wide choice of platforms to code on - Python, C/C++, Ruby anything. I might be mistaken here, but PyS60 has been there for some time - but can you point out at least a few popular applications entirely developed using it ? I can't find even one good game that has been coded entirely in PyS60 so far. > > Cheers, > Pankaj. > (Croozeus) > > > > > From: Anand Balachandran Pillai > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 9:54:42 AM > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Anish Kurian wrote: > > > you sure can develop mobile applications using python. > > u can download the SDK for particular group of handset. Nokia S60 mobiles > > use PyS60 SDK. Maybe similar ones are available for other handsets. > > > > Symbian is nearing end-of-life as the chosen platform for smartphones > for Nokia. As you might know N900 was recently released in select markets > around the world and it runs a fully Debian-derived Linux OS named > Maemo. I have been reading through N900 and Maemo reviews and > this looks like disruptive technology. > > Symbian is still the largest selling smartphone OS right now, but > can't stand up to the challenges posed by Android, Web OS etc. > Symbian is not developer friendly and has stability issues. I am > looking forward to get my hands on an N900 and hacking on the > Maemo. > > Nokia is betting on Maemo - the only current issue is that it > is fully GTK based (Hildon/Matchbox) but I read that Nokia > is planning to bring in QT as a choice to it pretty soon. > Since Nokia invests a lot in Qt this definitely make a lot > of sense. > > Take a look at N900 and Maemo. It is surely one of the > directions mobile development will take, the other being > Android and its clones. > > > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:09 PM, pradeep T > wrote: > > > > > hi friends, > > > am a begginer of this language and dont know much. > > > > > > Is it possible for me to develop a mobile application using this > > > language... > > > ___ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers@python.org > > > http:
Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Pankaj Nathani wrote: > I have to say something here :-) > > >Symbian is nearing end-of-life as the chosen platform for smartphones > for Nokia. > > Well, thats not true. Symbian is going to be the platform for smartphone > development for Nokia. Nothing is stopping them from doing so. > Hmmm...I looked at N97 and N900 specs and apart from better display (OpenGL) on the latter and the difference in the OS (and perhaps camera also) there was nothing much to choose from among them. Now let me ask you, if you are starting mobile development today and given these two phones, which one will you pick ? > > Maemo is target to high end mobile devices - tablets/netbooks, etc. So you > will be seeing some products from Nokia on Maemo targeted to such consumers. > Maemo and Symbian are never on the same level of competition, remember. > > Symbian has its open plan for years ahead - Symbian^1 (already present), > Symbian^2 (Starting 2010), Symbian^3 (mid 2010) and Symbian^4 (end 2010) > ahead. Also, the same pattern reflects on Nokia's roadmap - the plan for > 2010 and ahead from the Nokia's Capital Markets day. > > Regarding PyS60, yes its getting better and getting more mobility > functionalities - it has been ported to core 2.5 and you should be seeing a > new release very soon as well. And yes, Python is also supported on Maemo. > Almost anything that compiles on a Debian and can be ported using Scratchbox (which is again almost any Linux app) will run on Maemo. You have a wide choice of platforms to code on - Python, C/C++, Ruby anything. I might be mistaken here, but PyS60 has been there for some time - but can you point out at least a few popular applications entirely developed using it ? I can't find even one good game that has been coded entirely in PyS60 so far. > > Cheers, > Pankaj. > (Croozeus) > > > > > From: Anand Balachandran Pillai > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 9:54:42 AM > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Anish Kurian wrote: > > > you sure can develop mobile applications using python. > > u can download the SDK for particular group of handset. Nokia S60 mobiles > > use PyS60 SDK. Maybe similar ones are available for other handsets. > > > > Symbian is nearing end-of-life as the chosen platform for smartphones > for Nokia. As you might know N900 was recently released in select markets > around the world and it runs a fully Debian-derived Linux OS named > Maemo. I have been reading through N900 and Maemo reviews and > this looks like disruptive technology. > > Symbian is still the largest selling smartphone OS right now, but > can't stand up to the challenges posed by Android, Web OS etc. > Symbian is not developer friendly and has stability issues. I am > looking forward to get my hands on an N900 and hacking on the > Maemo. > > Nokia is betting on Maemo - the only current issue is that it > is fully GTK based (Hildon/Matchbox) but I read that Nokia > is planning to bring in QT as a choice to it pretty soon. > Since Nokia invests a lot in Qt this definitely make a lot > of sense. > > Take a look at N900 and Maemo. It is surely one of the > directions mobile development will take, the other being > Android and its clones. > > > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:09 PM, pradeep T > wrote: > > > > > hi friends, > > > am a begginer of this language and dont know much. > > > > > > Is it possible for me to develop a mobile application using this > > > language... > > > ___ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers@python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > ___ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > --Anand > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
> I might add that you can't code in Python on the Android, since it runs only Java apps. I heard there are efforts to bring X language > apps into Android, but none is yet mature. > You can code in python http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/wiki/PythonAndroidAPI (but agreed, that it's probably not very mature) navin. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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> I might add that you can't code in Python on the Android, since > it runs only Java apps. I heard there are efforts to bring X language > apps into Android, but none is yet mature. You can use Jython! Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
I have to say something here :-) >Symbian is nearing end-of-life as the chosen platform for smartphones for Nokia. Well, thats not true. Symbian is going to be the platform for smartphone development for Nokia. Nothing is stopping them from doing so. Maemo is target to high end mobile devices - tablets/netbooks, etc. So you will be seeing some products from Nokia on Maemo targeted to such consumers. Maemo and Symbian are never on the same level of competition, remember. Symbian has its open plan for years ahead - Symbian^1 (already present), Symbian^2 (Starting 2010), Symbian^3 (mid 2010) and Symbian^4 (end 2010) ahead. Also, the same pattern reflects on Nokia's roadmap - the plan for 2010 and ahead from the Nokia's Capital Markets day. Regarding PyS60, yes its getting better and getting more mobility functionalities - it has been ported to core 2.5 and you should be seeing a new release very soon as well. And yes, Python is also supported on Maemo. Cheers, Pankaj. (Croozeus) From: Anand Balachandran Pillai To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 9:54:42 AM Subject: Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Anish Kurian wrote: > you sure can develop mobile applications using python. > u can download the SDK for particular group of handset. Nokia S60 mobiles > use PyS60 SDK. Maybe similar ones are available for other handsets. > Symbian is nearing end-of-life as the chosen platform for smartphones for Nokia. As you might know N900 was recently released in select markets around the world and it runs a fully Debian-derived Linux OS named Maemo. I have been reading through N900 and Maemo reviews and this looks like disruptive technology. Symbian is still the largest selling smartphone OS right now, but can't stand up to the challenges posed by Android, Web OS etc. Symbian is not developer friendly and has stability issues. I am looking forward to get my hands on an N900 and hacking on the Maemo. Nokia is betting on Maemo - the only current issue is that it is fully GTK based (Hildon/Matchbox) but I read that Nokia is planning to bring in QT as a choice to it pretty soon. Since Nokia invests a lot in Qt this definitely make a lot of sense. Take a look at N900 and Maemo. It is surely one of the directions mobile development will take, the other being Android and its clones. > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:09 PM, pradeep T wrote: > > > hi friends, > > am a begginer of this language and dont know much. > > > > Is it possible for me to develop a mobile application using this > > language... > > ___ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpil...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Anish Kurian wrote: > >> you sure can develop mobile applications using python. >> u can download the SDK for particular group of handset. Nokia S60 mobiles >> use PyS60 SDK. Maybe similar ones are available for other handsets. >> > > Symbian is nearing end-of-life as the chosen platform for smartphones > for Nokia. As you might know N900 was recently released in select markets > around the world and it runs a fully Debian-derived Linux OS named > Maemo. I have been reading through N900 and Maemo reviews and > this looks like disruptive technology. > > Symbian is still the largest selling smartphone OS right now, but > can't stand up to the challenges posed by Android, Web OS etc. > Symbian is not developer friendly and has stability issues. I am > looking forward to get my hands on an N900 and hacking on the > Maemo. > > Nokia is betting on Maemo - the only current issue is that it > is fully GTK based (Hildon/Matchbox) but I read that Nokia > is planning to bring in QT as a choice to it pretty soon. > Since Nokia invests a lot in Qt this definitely make a lot > of sense. > > Take a look at N900 and Maemo. It is surely one of the > directions mobile development will take, the other being > Android and its clones. > I might add that you can't code in Python on the Android, since it runs only Java apps. I heard there are efforts to bring X language apps into Android, but none is yet mature. Maemo being fully Linux derived (Android just runs a Linux kernel and a Dalkin Java VM on top) including the application layers, it is a simple matter to port any Linux app to it which is what basically makes it so disruptive. > >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:09 PM, pradeep T >> wrote: >> >> > hi friends, >> > am a begginer of this language and dont know much. >> > >> > Is it possible for me to develop a mobile application using this >> > language... >> > ___ >> > BangPypers mailing list >> > BangPypers@python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > >> ___ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers@python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > > > > -- > --Anand > > > > -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Anish Kurian wrote: > you sure can develop mobile applications using python. > u can download the SDK for particular group of handset. Nokia S60 mobiles > use PyS60 SDK. Maybe similar ones are available for other handsets. > Symbian is nearing end-of-life as the chosen platform for smartphones for Nokia. As you might know N900 was recently released in select markets around the world and it runs a fully Debian-derived Linux OS named Maemo. I have been reading through N900 and Maemo reviews and this looks like disruptive technology. Symbian is still the largest selling smartphone OS right now, but can't stand up to the challenges posed by Android, Web OS etc. Symbian is not developer friendly and has stability issues. I am looking forward to get my hands on an N900 and hacking on the Maemo. Nokia is betting on Maemo - the only current issue is that it is fully GTK based (Hildon/Matchbox) but I read that Nokia is planning to bring in QT as a choice to it pretty soon. Since Nokia invests a lot in Qt this definitely make a lot of sense. Take a look at N900 and Maemo. It is surely one of the directions mobile development will take, the other being Android and its clones. > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:09 PM, pradeep T wrote: > > > hi friends, > > am a begginer of this language and dont know much. > > > > Is it possible for me to develop a mobile application using this > > language... > > ___ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Well, those were a couple of good points and information is freely and widely available to everyone using Google. But information is not really a substitute for human interaction, which is why we still have taught classes at Universities, rather than managing everything through learning modules over the internet. My point is this (firstly, remember that I don't quite like the tone of the question used by the OP either, and looking at the language, my own reaction *might* conceivably have been a knee-jerk one of JFGI), would a lively discussion regarding mobile app development on Python have been more constructive, and more encouraging towards newcomers in this area? Maybe something like trying to incorporate something of the nature into the next meeting? My only concern is that perhaps rancour might be taking the place of lively discussion here. Anyway, I'm probably done trying to make this point. If anyone does have experience/links to resources regarding using Python for developing mobile apps, please post them. Thanks a lot. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Mandar Gokhale wrote: > *tl;dr* : If some people have vague responses, it could be because they are > vaguely interested in the subject. Is that sufficient grounds to shoot them > down? Yes. This is not 199x and information is freely and widely available to everybody, thanks to google. >> *does program phones >> using PyS60* That would have been an interesting question. But the OP did not ask that question. +PG ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Mandar Gokhale wrote: > [..] > Of course, the wording of the OP is probably not what I would have used > myself, Yes. That was I think what ticked Pradeep off. > but I guess in a society where we are not entirely at ease using > English as our first language, nor confident enough to use our own > entirely, > nonconformity is to be expected, isn't it? > Definitely. However, the question had an aura of laziness around it. A vague one line question without any context or intention. Someone serious about mobile development would have googled a little, found the common ways of doing it (Java I guess?) and then perhaps come back to the list with a concrete question on whether Python was a viable alternative and for some information on it's pros and cons from people who've done mobile development using the language. > *tl;dr* : If some people have vague responses, it could be because they are > vaguely interested in the subject. Is that sufficient grounds to shoot them > down? > Vagueness begets vagueness. A totally accurate response to a query like " Is it possible for me to develop a mobile application using this language..." would be "yes". How useful is that (although much more to the point than Pradeep's mail)? Atleast here, the OP got instructions on what to do and must have learned something from his posting. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
I don't post much to this list (though I follow it regularly), and don't want to start a flamewar of sorts, but one of these responses made me think twice. Being vague and clueless about what you want to know will elicitnothing more LMGTFY.com Think twice before you bang out an email and decide to waste the time of 100s of people who will read your email. I know that a lot of people here are programmers who are very busy in their professional lives. Nevertheless, there may be a person who is throwing out a simple query, as it were. "Could we talk about the uses of Python in mobile development?' : that sort of thing. As far as I know the scope of this list (and I honestly don't profess to be an expert in that direction), I feel that such a query isn't totally inappropriate. I mean, yes, one can use Google, and look up PyS60 and other stuff, but getting feedback from someone who actually *does program phones using PyS60* right here in Bangalore is infinitely more invaluable than a comment on Stack Overflow or thereabouts. Of course, the wording of the OP is probably not what I would have used myself, but I guess in a society where we are not entirely at ease using English as our first language, nor confident enough to use our own entirely, nonconformity is to be expected, isn't it? *tl;dr* : If some people have vague responses, it could be because they are vaguely interested in the subject. Is that sufficient grounds to shoot them down? ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Baiju M wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:09 PM, pradeep T wrote: >> hi friends, >> am a begginer of this language and dont know much. >> >> Is it possible for me to develop a mobile application using this >> language... > > http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/ > http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ > http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/wiki/PythonAndroidAPI > > P.S: Please do some Google search before asking. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:39 AM, pradeep T wrote: > hi friends, > am a begginer of this language and dont know much. > > Is it possible for me to develop a mobile application using this language... The phrase "mobile application" encompasses so many different approaches. Even a web app written in Javascript is a "mobile application" in many smart phones (iPhone, Android). Being a "begginer" is not a problem. Being vague and clueless about what you want to know will elicit nothing more LMGTFY.com Think twice before you bang out an email and decide to waste the time of 100s of people who will read your email. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:09 PM, pradeep T wrote: > hi friends, > am a begginer of this language and dont know much. > > Is it possible for me to develop a mobile application using this language... http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/ http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/wiki/PythonAndroidAPI P.S: Please do some Google search before asking. Regards, Baiju M ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:09 PM, pradeep T wrote: > hi friends, > am a begginer of this language and dont know much. Yes. for symbian s60 mobiles. search for PyS60 -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausik...@gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] mobile application development
you sure can develop mobile applications using python. u can download the SDK for particular group of handset. Nokia S60 mobiles use PyS60 SDK. Maybe similar ones are available for other handsets. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:09 PM, pradeep T wrote: > hi friends, > am a begginer of this language and dont know much. > > Is it possible for me to develop a mobile application using this > language... > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
