[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach facsimiles
Dear Goran I don't know about web-availability, but a good edition with all Bach for lute is: J. S. Bach - Opere per Liuto Edizione critica di Paolo Cherici Edizioni Suvini Zerboni (Milano, 1996) Introduction, facsimiles, modern scores, alternate versions. All in one book. David On 8 October 2010 09:37, G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all could you kindly point me toward the Bach lute facsimiles (especially those in tablature, but also in double clef) if available on the web as specified in this link? http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Ref/BWV995-1000-Ref.htm Kind Regards G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach facsimiles
Thanks for the info David, any chance of jpg pdf or else of the facsimiles in question, at least the ones in tablature if anyone has them scanned already? Wishful Cheers G. - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach facsimiles Dear Goran I don't know about web-availability, but a good edition with all Bach for lute is: J. S. Bach - Opere per Liuto Edizione critica di Paolo Cherici Edizioni Suvini Zerboni (Milano, 1996) Introduction, facsimiles, modern scores, alternate versions. All in one book. David On 8 October 2010 09:37, G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all could you kindly point me toward the Bach lute facsimiles (especially those in tablature, but also in double clef) if available on the web as specified in this link? http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Ref/BWV995-1000-Ref.htm Kind Regards G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3183 - Release Date: 10/07/10 20:34:00
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach facsimiles
Dear Goran, any chance of jpg pdf or else of the facsimiles in question, at least the ones in tablature if anyone has them scanned already? start here: http://alan.melvin.com/manuscripts.htm best wishes Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] New Semi-Tone Device
Dear all-- I have just created a new semi-tone device for a Jauck type baroque lute. This allows me to change the pitch of bass strings by a half step without tuning. I can go from say e-flat minor to A-major in just a few seconds with complete stability. A similar semi-tone device is seen on the 1732 lute by J.H. Goldt,(formerly in the VA) of course I don't know when it was added. Also Hans Neeman and his associates used semi-tone devices on all their baroque lutes including bass rider lutes in the 1930s. (This I know from a photograph of Neeman and his lutes). If anyone is interested I can send pics of my new device. Sterling To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New Semi-Tone Device
Some more info about the semi tone device. The base is made of maple stained black. The nut is lignum vitae as well a the smaller nut which actually raises or 'frets' the course. Hide glue is used. Also I am looking for the photo I have of Hans Neeman. I think it was from an old LSA quarterly or journal. Does anyone know which one? Sterling - Original Message From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:30:25 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New Semi-Tone Device Dear all-- I have just created a new semi-tone device for a Jauck type baroque lute. This allows me to change the pitch of bass strings by a half step without tuning. I can go from say e-flat minor to A-major in just a few seconds with complete stability. A similar semi-tone device is seen on the 1732 lute by J.H. Goldt,(formerly in the VA) of course I don't know when it was added. Also Hans Neeman and his associates used semi-tone devices on all their baroque lutes including bass rider lutes in the 1930s. (This I know from a photograph of Neeman and his lutes). If anyone is interested I can send pics of my new device. Sterling To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach facsimiles
Dear Goran, You may find some useful information at the IMSLP/Petrucci Music Library: http://imslp.org/wiki/Lute_Pieces,_BWV_995-1000_%28Bach,_Johann_Sebastian%29 #Bach-Gesellschaft_Ausgabe.2C_1851-1899 Or at the Bach-Gesellschaft Ausgabe: http://einam.com/bach/ Regards, Nicolás -Mensaje original- De: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] En nombre de G. Crona Enviado el: viernes, 08 de octubre de 2010 02:38 Para: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Asunto: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Bach facsimiles Dear all could you kindly point me toward the Bach lute facsimiles (especially those in tablature, but also in double clef) if available on the web as specified in this link? http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Ref/BWV995-1000-Ref.htm Kind Regards G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Hans Neeman Photo
It is probably from: JLSA, Volume XII (1979) Paul Beier, “Right-Hand Position in Renaissance Lute Technique” Mirco Caffagni, “The Modena Tiorba Manuscript” Lyle Nordstrom, “A Lute Duet of John Dowland” John Griffiths, “The Lutes in the Museo Municipal de Musica in Barcelona” -- Kurt Rottmann, “The Resurrection of the Lute in Twentieth-Century Germany” -- Josef Klima, “The D Minor Lute in Central Europe After the Second World War” Reviews, Communications Unfortunately, somehow I lost this very volume and have no idea how to get another copy. I'd be much gratefull if somebody could copy/scan the last two articles for me, certainly not without appreciation of similr nature. J -- On 2010-10-08, at 19:11, sterling price wrote: Well I found the photo of Hans Neeman and his semi-tone device. I scanned it so if anyone wants to see it let me know. Still not sure where I copied it from... Sterling - Original Message From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 8:07:20 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New Semi-Tone Device Some more info about the semi tone device. The base is made of maple stained black. The nut is lignum vitae as well a the smaller nut which actually raises or 'frets' the course. Hide glue is used. Also I am looking for the photo I have of Hans Neeman. I think it was from an old LSA quarterly or journal. Does anyone know which one? Sterling - Original Message From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:30:25 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New Semi-Tone Device Dear all-- I have just created a new semi-tone device for a Jauck type baroque lute. This allows me to change the pitch of bass strings by a half step without tuning. I can go from say e-flat minor to A-major in just a few seconds with complete stability. A similar semi-tone device is seen on the 1732 lute by J.H. Goldt,(formerly in the VA) of course I don't know when it was added. Also Hans Neeman and his associates used semi-tone devices on all their baroque lutes including bass rider lutes in the 1930s. (This I know from a photograph of Neeman and his lutes). If anyone is interested I can send pics of my new device. Sterling To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Odp: Hans Neeman Photo
Dear friends, this photo surely is in JLSA (1979) vol. 12: The Resurrection of the Lute in Twentieth Century Germeny by Kurt Rottmann, pp. 67-72. I have this article. Let me know who needs this text I would send to private e-mail box. Grzegorz Dnia 8-10-2010 o godz. 19:11 sterling price napisał(a): Well I found the photo of Hans Neeman and his semi-tone device. I scanned it so if anyone wants to see it let me know. Still not sure where I copied it from... Sterling - Original Message From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 8:07:20 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New Semi-Tone Device Some more info about the semi tone device. The base is made of maple stained black. The nut is lignum vitae as well a the smaller nut which actually raises or 'frets' the course. Hide glue is used. Also I am looking for the photo I have of Hans Neeman. I think it was from an old LSA quarterly or journal. Does anyone know which one? Sterling - Original Message From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:30:25 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New Semi-Tone Device Dear all-- I have just created a new semi-tone device for a Jauck type baroque lute. This allows me to change the pitch of bass strings by a half step without tuning. I can go from say e-flat minor to A-major in just a few seconds with complete stability. A similar semi-tone device is seen on the 1732 lute by J.H. Goldt,(formerly in the VA) of course I don't know when it was added. Also Hans Neeman and his associates used semi-tone devices on all their baroque lutes including bass rider lutes in the 1930s. (This I know from a photograph of Neeman and his lutes). If anyone is interested I can send pics of my new device. Sterling To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Odp: Hans Neeman Photo
Dear friends, now there has been so much talk about photos/pictures of some system of easy chromatic basses and not a single link to any public photo/picture. Even when I am _not at all_ interested in using any mechanism for that, I am utterly interested in seeing, what you are talking about... ;-) So: jpg's, pdf's, ..., whatsoever, please! :-) Arto On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 21:46:13 +0200, Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl wrote: Dear friends, this photo surely is in JLSA (1979) vol. 12: The Resurrection of the Lute in Twentieth Century Germeny by Kurt Rottmann, pp. 67-72. I have this article. Let me know who needs this text I would send to private e-mail box. Grzegorz Dnia 8-10-2010 o godz. 19:11 sterling price napisał(a): Well I found the photo of Hans Neeman and his semi-tone device. I scanned it so if anyone wants to see it let me know. Still not sure where I copied it from... Sterling - Original Message From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 8:07:20 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New Semi-Tone Device Some more info about the semi tone device. The base is made of maple stained black. The nut is lignum vitae as well a the smaller nut which actually raises or 'frets' the course. Hide glue is used. Also I am looking for the photo I have of Hans Neeman. I think it was from an old LSA quarterly or journal. Does anyone know which one? Sterling - Original Message From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:30:25 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New Semi-Tone Device Dear all-- I have just created a new semi-tone device for a Jauck type baroque lute. This allows me to change the pitch of bass strings by a half step without tuning. I can go from say e-flat minor to A-major in just a few seconds with complete stability. A similar semi-tone device is seen on the 1732 lute by J.H. Goldt,(formerly in the VA) of course I don't know when it was added. Also Hans Neeman and his associates used semi-tone devices on all their baroque lutes including bass rider lutes in the 1930s. (This I know from a photograph of Neeman and his lutes). If anyone is interested I can send pics of my new device. Sterling To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Odp: Hans Neeman Photo
Sorry, no pictures, but I also made something for my theorbo last year. In terms of practicality, I see nothing wrong with things like this. Not possessing any woodworking skills at all, my solution was low-tech in the extreme: I took half a wooden clothes pin and glued it to part of a paint stirrer. I then glued some rubber shelf-liner (the stuff that many people use on their laps to keep their instruments from slipping) to the bottom to keep it in place. Then I marked the right spot on the neck extension with a light pencil stroke and just stuck it under the strings. Then I colored it with a black marker to make it look all fancy-schmancy. Necessity was the mother of invention: I came up with it because of a live radio broadcast I was doing that involved and a change from an F to F# bass. I figured that re-tuning would be rather tedious for the audience. I've since used the device for performances, too. It worked really well for a set that I did with a singer in which dramatic continuity was important. Chris Christopher Wilke Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com --- On Fri, 10/8/10, wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Odp: Hans Neeman Photo To: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl Cc: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com, BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 4:04 PM Dear friends, now there has been so much talk about photos/pictures of some system of easy chromatic basses and not a single link to any public photo/picture. Even when I am _not at all_ interested in using any mechanism for that, I am utterly interested in seeing, what you are talking about... ;-) So: jpg's, pdf's, ..., whatsoever, please! :-) Arto On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 21:46:13 +0200, Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl wrote: Dear friends, this photo surely is in JLSA (1979) vol. 12: The Resurrection of the Lute in Twentieth Century Germeny by Kurt Rottmann, pp. 67-72. I have this article. Let me know who needs this text I would send to private e-mail box. Grzegorz Dnia 8-10-2010 o godz. 19:11 sterling price napisał(a): Well I found the photo of Hans Neeman and his semi-tone device. I scanned it so if anyone wants to see it let me know. Still not sure where I copied it from... Sterling - Original Message From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 8:07:20 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New Semi-Tone Device Some more info about the semi tone device. The base is made of maple stained black. The nut is lignum vitae as well a the smaller nut which actually raises or 'frets' the course. Hide glue is used. Also I am looking for the photo I have of Hans Neeman. I think it was from an old LSA quarterly or journal. Does anyone know which one? Sterling - Original Message From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:30:25 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New Semi-Tone Device Dear all-- I have just created a new semi-tone device for a Jauck type baroque lute. This allows me to change the pitch of bass strings by a half step without tuning. I can go from say e-flat minor to A-major in just a few seconds with complete stability. A similar semi-tone device is seen on the 1732 lute by J.H. Goldt,(formerly in the VA) of course I don't know when it was added. Also Hans Neeman and his associates used semi-tone devices on all their baroque lutes including bass rider lutes in the 1930s. (This I know from a photograph of Neeman and his lutes). If anyone is interested I can send pics of my new device. Sterling To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Odp: Hans Neeman Photo
So, I guess you have more than 6 courses on the fingerboard? You had some low tech device for getting the g and g sharp (assuming a theorbo in a), and perhaps also f and f sharp (if you have even 8 strings on fingerboard?)? Or what? I suppose I did not get the idea at all!? Anyhow, neither do I see anything wrong in any way of stringing your lutes... Arto On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:58:49 -0700 (PDT), Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry, no pictures, but I also made something for my theorbo last year. In terms of practicality, I see nothing wrong with things like this. Not possessing any woodworking skills at all, my solution was low-tech in the extreme: I took half a wooden clothes pin and glued it to part of a paint stirrer. I then glued some rubber shelf-liner (the stuff that many people use on their laps to keep their instruments from slipping) to the bottom to keep it in place. Then I marked the right spot on the neck extension with a light pencil stroke and just stuck it under the strings. Then I colored it with a black marker to make it look all fancy-schmancy. Necessity was the mother of invention: I came up with it because of a live radio broadcast I was doing that involved and a change from an F to F# bass. I figured that re-tuning would be rather tedious for the audience. I've since used the device for performances, too. It worked really well for a set that I did with a singer in which dramatic continuity was important. Chris Christopher Wilke Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com --- On Fri, 10/8/10, wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Odp: Hans Neeman Photo To: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl Cc: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com, BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 4:04 PM Dear friends, now there has been so much talk about photos/pictures of some system of easy chromatic basses and not a single link to any public photo/picture. Even when I am _not at all_ interested in using any mechanism for that, I am utterly interested in seeing, what you are talking about... ;-) So: jpg's, pdf's, ..., whatsoever, please! :-) Arto On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 21:46:13 +0200, Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl wrote: Dear friends, this photo surely is in JLSA (1979) vol. 12: The Resurrection of the Lute in Twentieth Century Germeny by Kurt Rottmann, pp. 67-72. I have this article. Let me know who needs this text I would send to private e-mail box. Grzegorz Dnia 8-10-2010 o godz. 19:11 sterling price napisał(a): Well I found the photo of Hans Neeman and his semi-tone device. I scanned it so if anyone wants to see it let me know. Still not sure where I copied it from... Sterling - Original Message From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 8:07:20 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New Semi-Tone Device Some more info about the semi tone device. The base is made of maple stained black. The nut is lignum vitae as well a the smaller nut which actually raises or 'frets' the course. Hide glue is used. Also I am looking for the photo I have of Hans Neeman. I think it was from an old LSA quarterly or journal. Does anyone know which one? Sterling - Original Message From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:30:25 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New Semi-Tone Device Dear all-- I have just created a new semi-tone device for a Jauck type baroque lute. This allows me to change the pitch of bass strings by a half step without tuning. I can go from say e-flat minor to A-major in just a few seconds with complete stability. A similar semi-tone device is seen on the 1732 lute by J.H. Goldt,(formerly in the VA) of course I don't know when it was added. Also Hans Neeman and his associates used semi-tone devices on all their baroque lutes including bass rider lutes in the 1930s. (This I know from a photograph of Neeman and his lutes). If anyone is interested I can send pics of my new device. Sterling To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning?
Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern. I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary in character. The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible pitch and rhythm (and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like that Russian woman composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me). RT - Original Message - From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? Not really. Very little. Check Peter Croton's site for new vocal music with lutes. I recall some nice M.Gerlach songs. This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), Roman is sorry. BTW, the neobaroque composers' association has a forum on Facebook. Much recommended, especially since there are now live performances of such music once in a while: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Vox-Saeculorum/149488781750742 neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). Roman is really sorry, because he thinks that ethnocentric music has the future. So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I don't know about clever, but it definitely won't survive without BEAUTIFUL music newly composed for it. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Arto, Do you REALLY want lute music to sound like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhXNIrQJR80 this??? RT From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing pitch and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is extremaly hard to write good and well sounding music for lute, or in fact any plucked instrument, without skills of actualy playing it… But I'm optimistic, incuding the d-m genus. Just let's forget about the tablature and we'll get out of the getto. J - On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote: Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern. I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary in character. The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible pitch and rhythm (and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like that Russian woman composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me). RT - Original Message - From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Let's not fall into extremities. There are other humans making music as well: http://www.nina.gov.pl/en/node/487 -- 19 minutes Or a short retrospection of Szymanski's music: http://www.nina.gov.pl/szymanski-dvd-1-plytowe The text on the pages is not important. J - On 2010-10-09, at 02:24, Roman Turovsky wrote: Arto, Do you REALLY want lute music to sound like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhXNIrQJR80 this??? RT From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
I like this A LOT. However it is quite post-minimalist. RT - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:48 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? Let's not fall into extremities. There are other humans making music as well: http://www.nina.gov.pl/en/node/487 -- 19 minutes Or a short retrospection of Szymanski's music: http://www.nina.gov.pl/szymanski-dvd-1-plytowe The text on the pages is not important. J - On 2010-10-09, at 02:24, Roman Turovsky wrote: Arto, Do you REALLY want lute music to sound like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhXNIrQJR80 this??? RT From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
meant conCeptualist. RT - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? I'm not sure isolation is negative in our case. I've had many conversations about our instrument with Hans Kockelmans, who is an avantgarde composer AND a lutenist. He would never mix the two together, and he said something with which I wholeheartedly agree: lute in general, and baroque lute in particular simply doesn't tolerate modernist music, the reasons for which are mysterious, but very likely stemming from its acoustical nature. As to tabulature: it really saves the lute from a lot of conseptualist fecalia bovina that afflicts other instruments. RT - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing pitch and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is extremaly hard to write good and well sounding music for lute, or in fact any plucked instrument, without skills of actualy playing it… But I'm optimistic, incuding the d-m genus. Just let's forget about the tablature and we'll get out of the getto. J - On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote: Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern. I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary in character. The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible pitch and rhythm (and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like that Russian woman composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me). RT - Original Message - From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Andre Burguete writes ambitious lute music in notation, taking baroque idiom in the Chopin-esque direction. RT From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing pitch and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is extremaly hard to write good and well sounding music for lute, or in fact any plucked instrument, without skills of actualy playing it… But I'm optimistic, incuding the d-m genus. Just let's forget about the tablature and we'll get out of the getto. J - On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote: Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern. I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary in character. The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible pitch and rhythm (and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like that Russian woman composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me). RT - Original Message - From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Roman, Creation without possibility of beeing evaluated and criticized is sentenced to dye. How many people new tablature notation in 1750 and could write for lute? -- few; how many professional composers know tab. notation today? -- ?? Wake up from your sweet dreams and mysteries of lute's disability …or by her a new crutch. Your virtuoso minimalist judgements make impression, but can be easily used in oposit direction, so I ignore them. However other instruments are doing quite well despite being immerse in the fecalia bovina -- I'd love to live in their stinky situation and have their choice of styles and composers. Chopin-esque harmony is truly matchless and probably timeless, I'd love to get to know Andre Burguete ambitious lute music -- where to find it? Much more can be said, but on this side it's long after time to bad ;-) J On 2010-10-09, at 03:20, Roman Turovsky wrote: I'm not sure isolation is negative in our case. I've had many conversations about our instrument with Hans Kockelmans, who is an avantgarde composer AND a lutenist. He would never mix the two together, and he said something with which I wholeheartedly agree: lute in general, and baroque lute in particular simply doesn't tolerate modernist music, the reasons for which are mysterious, but very likely stemming from its acoustical nature. As to tabulature: it really saves the lute from a lot of conseptualist fecalia bovina that afflicts other instruments. RT - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing pitch and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is extremaly hard to write good and well sounding music for lute, or in fact any plucked instrument, without skills of actualy playing it… But I'm optimistic, incuding the d-m genus. Just let's forget about the tablature and we'll get out of the getto. J - On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote: Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern. I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary in character. The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible pitch and rhythm (and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like that Russian woman composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me). RT - Original Message - From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com Roman, Creation without possibility of beeing evaluated and criticized is sentenced to die. How many people knew tablature notation in 1750 and could write for lute? -- few; how many professional composers know tab. notation today? -- ?? Wake up from your sweet dreams and mysteries of lute's disability …or by her a new crutch. Today's composers are impeded not by tabulature, but by the total lack of interest in lutes, as the latter are acoustically totally foreign to avantgarde musical sensibility. Do you really want you lute to be subjected to extended techniques? I don't find lute's limitations to be a disability. Rather its asceticism is its strength. Your virtuoso minimalist judgements make impression, but can be easily used in oposit direction, so I ignore them. However other instruments are doing quite well despite being immerse in the fecalia bovina -- I'd love to live in their stinky situation and have their choice of styles and composers. Why don't you call up Pawel Szymanski and ask him to write something? Then you'd know for sure whether your lute would survive the experience. Chopin-esque harmony is truly matchless and probably timeless, I'd love to get to know Andre Burguete ambitious lute music -- where to find it? He keeps it close to his vest Much more can be said, but on this side it's long after time to bad ;-) J Dobranich. RT On 2010-10-09, at 03:20, Roman Turovsky wrote: I'm not sure isolation is negative in our case. I've had many conversations about our instrument with Hans Kockelmans, who is an avantgarde composer AND a lutenist. He would never mix the two together, and he said something with which I wholeheartedly agree: lute in general, and baroque lute in particular simply doesn't tolerate modernist music, the reasons for which are mysterious, but very likely stemming from its acoustical nature. As to tabulature: it really saves the lute from a lot of conseptualist fecalia bovina that afflicts other instruments. RT - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing pitch and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is extremaly hard to write good and well sounding music for lute, or in fact any plucked instrument, without skills of actualy playing it… But I'm optimistic, incuding the d-m genus. Just let's forget about the tablature and we'll get out of the getto. J - On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote: Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern. I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary in character. The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible pitch and rhythm (and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like that Russian woman composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me). RT - Original Message - From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Toru Takemitsu wrote two chamber works using the lute almost 50 years ago - RING for flute, terz guitar and lute 1961 and SACRIFICE, for alto flute, lute, vibraphone a year later. The lute parts are in notation and neither instrument is tuned in Dm DD -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
