[BAROQUE-LUTE] Looking for the printed Minkoff facsimile of the Manuscrit Barbe
Dear collective wisdom, I already have a digital copy of the Manuscrit Barbe, but the printed facsimile of Minkoff Editions is simply beautiful (with all those "vivid red" annotations). Should anybody have a printed MINKOFF copy and could part from it, I'd be a very happy customer! Thank you in advance, Luca ([1]http://www.liuti.blog) [f18dQhb0S7ks8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9gXrN7sKj6v4f9GMW64zH_81q7zC6N1p1n74QFLCHW3 T4TQ71k1H6H0?si=4515119497740288pi=20a90c0f-cbeb-4796-d451-71eb3a5 7052bti=null] -- References 1. http://www.liuti.blog/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: facsimile of Sonata 50 in B-Flat MajoRe: Presto
Hi Dominic,
what I would do is as follows:
A. use SLWeiss.de to find out about the manuscript source of the Sonata
50. You'll easily find out that the Sonata 50 can only be found in the
Manuscript D-Dl - Ms. Mus. 2841-V-1, which is better known as the
Dresden Manuscript, at page 232;
B. unfortunately the Dresden Library has not (yet?) put online the
whole set of Weiss manuscripts, so you'll be stuck at page 76, BUT your
beloved resource includes all the Dresden manuscript volumes, therefore
the page 232 can be displayed / downloaded
at [1]http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Partitions_pour_luth_baroque
/Musiques/Les_manuscrits/Dresde/Fac-similes/Volume_4/WD27/Dresde_232unk
.jpg
(all Sonate in volume 4 are listed
at [2]http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Musiques/Les_manuscrits/Dres
de/Le_manuscrit_de_Dresde.htm#Volume_4)
Hope it helps.
All the best,
Luca
On mer, 04 apr 2018 22:13:05 +0200 Dominic Schaner
wrote
Hello everyone,
I am looking for the facsimile (digital copy of the ms) of the: Presto
in B-Flat Major from Sonata 50 by S. L. Weiss
It seems to be missing from my go-to source (and a wonderful resource)
for this repertory,
[1][3]http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/index.htm.
If anyone can send me a copy via email or point me in the direction
where I can find this piece, I would be most grateful. Many thanks!
peace, Dominic
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2.
http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Musiques/Les_manuscrits/Dresde/Le_manuscrit_de_Dresde.htm#Volume_4
3. http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/index.htm.
4. http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/index.htm
5. http://dominic-schaner.bandcamp.com/
6. http://kows92-5.org/kows-shows/show/the-veiled-cloud-of-unknowing/
7. https://soundcloud.com/dominic-schaner
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Peculiar pegbox artwork on a Baroque lute
Thank you, David!
On mar, 27 feb 2018 20:15:07 +0100 David Van Edwards
<da...@vanedwards.co.uk> wrote
Dear Luca,
Here it is! Brussels J C Hoffmann 3188 I'm pretty sure the pegbox
carving is original because it has so many echoes of the carvings on
the back of the several swan-neck lutes by him.
The rose is inserted and may not be original but is quite nice.
Best wishes,
David
> Thank you, this is very interesting!
> The pictures on the Bruxelles Museum site are very dark and in
low-res,
> so it's almost impossible to actually see the pegbox artwork.
> Would you have more detailed pictures handy? In case, I'd really like
> to see the pegbox and the rose.
> All the best,
> Luca
> On ven, 23 feb 2018 19:47:58 +0100 EDWARDS DAVID
> <[1]vanedwa...@ntlworld.com> wrote
>
> It's a Hoffmann pegbox from Brussels. I've put it as the possible
> design for my "build your own baroque lute" courses so it's probably
> all over the place by now!
>
> best wishes
>
> David
>
> On 23 February 2018 at 12:02 Luca Manassero
<[1][2]l...@manassero.net>
> wrote:
>
> Dear list members,
>
> months ago looking on the French list of instruments for sale I
>
> noticed a baroque lute built in 1980 by Martin Bowers and showing a
>
> very peculiar artwork on the back of the pegbox (see
>
> here:
>
[1][2][3]https://www.dropbox.com/s/72nsw585lk9ov1x/13-courseneck.jpg?dl
>
> =0)
>
> (By the way, as far as I know the lute is still for sale)
>
> I thought it came from the lutemaker, but then a few days ago I
noticed
>
> exactly the same artwork on a different lute, a picture I think I saw
>
> on Facebook somewhere.
>
> I'm really curious: is it an original "fretsawn" which has been
copied
>
> or does it come from some late restauration work (as it happened to
the
>
> Edlinger lutes in South Dakota)?
>
> All the best,
>
> Luca
>
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> 3.
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Peculiar pegbox artwork on a Baroque lute
Thank you, this is very interesting!
The pictures on the Bruxelles Museum site are very dark and in low-res,
so it's almost impossible to actually see the pegbox artwork.
Would you have more detailed pictures handy? In case, I'd really like
to see the pegbox and the rose.
All the best,
Luca
On ven, 23 feb 2018 19:47:58 +0100 EDWARDS DAVID
<vanedwa...@ntlworld.com> wrote
It's a Hoffmann pegbox from Brussels. I've put it as the possible
design for my "build your own baroque lute" courses so it's probably
all over the place by now!
best wishes
David
On 23 February 2018 at 12:02 Luca Manassero <[1]l...@manassero.net>
wrote:
Dear list members,
months ago looking on the French list of instruments for sale I
noticed a baroque lute built in 1980 by Martin Bowers and showing a
very peculiar artwork on the back of the pegbox (see
here:
[1][2]https://www.dropbox.com/s/72nsw585lk9ov1x/13-courseneck.jpg?dl
=0)
(By the way, as far as I know the lute is still for sale)
I thought it came from the lutemaker, but then a few days ago I noticed
exactly the same artwork on a different lute, a picture I think I saw
on Facebook somewhere.
I'm really curious: is it an original "fretsawn" which has been copied
or does it come from some late restauration work (as it happened to the
Edlinger lutes in South Dakota)?
All the best,
Luca
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzig
Thank you very much for all these very valuable infos, David!
Besides the abnormally deep bowl (which evidently was a problem for
Herrn Hoffmann too), I wonder why a 14-course lute.
1. As far as I know this is then an "unicum": no other 14-course
(German baroque) lute exists.
2. It doesn't seem to be a German Theorbo (I mean the one with the
first course in d), otherwise it would have a 14th course in "FF" -
even lower than the 14th course of an Italian chitarrone (GG) and
possibly not very resonant on that string length, even with such a deep
bowl.
3. As Robert Grossman in his dissertation on the Bach BWV 995 recalls,
this could be a sort of proof that lutes extending to the contra-G
existed, but in that case why is this an unicum?
And why J. S. Bach would have prepared his "Pièces à Mr. Schouster"
(apparently an editor, possibly preparing a printed edition) with a
lute extension in mind that was very rare?
Judging about the ample literature dedicated to this "riddle", it looks
like it still is an open issue...
Luca
On lun, 12 feb 2018 22:57:26 +0100 David Van Edwards
<da...@vanedwards.co.uk> wrote
I measured it many years ago.
handwritten label: Joh: Christ: Hoffmann //
Königl. Poln: und Churfl. // Sächs. Jnstrument //
und Lautenmacher. // Leipzig, 1720. //. plus a
repair label by Hoffmann dated 1732 Therefore
conceivable that the swan neck was added then,
but Hoffmann is usually specific about his
modifications with labels saying renoviert or
rebarirt.
14 Courses 2 x 1, 6 x 2 + 6 x 2 @777mm and 1159mm
13 ribs of birdseye maple with 1mm ebony strips between
Triple rose diameters 63 & 75 332mm from the bottom.
Unsually deep body. Pegbox decorated with
carvings at the sides and the rear. Present belly
by Hans Jordan of Markneukirchen in 1953; but
based on the original which still survives in a
cardboard box in the museum.
A huge German baroque lute with very beautifully
carved pegbox, fits Baron's description of a
"deep sack like shape" which he disliked..
According to Hans Jordan's notes there used to be
another handwritten label, now missing, which
read:
�Dieser Corpus wurde von mir auf inständiges
Begehren des Herrn Lic. Warlitzen als erstem Besitzer
des Instrumentes so groà und hoch verfertigt."
"Upon the urgent request of Mr. Lic[entiat] Warlitz as the first
owner of this instrument, I have made its body so large
and high."
Better pictures and some details on the MIMO site
[1]http://www.mimo-international.com/MIMO/doc/IFD/OAI_ULEI_M504
The museum have a drawing.
Best wishes,
David
At 22:18 +0100 12/2/18, Mathias Rösel wrote:
>In the video, Sven tells the kid that it is a lute built in 1727.
>
>Mathias
>
>
>
>-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>Von: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
[mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
>von Luca Manassero
>Gesendet: Montag, 12. Februar 2018 19:07
>An: baroque-lute
>Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course
swan-neck lute
>in Leipzing
>
> Dear common wisdom,
> a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website,
> planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it,
> unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann
> swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video)
> mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2,
> 6x2).
> See [1][4]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's
the
> first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann' section on
> the page.
> It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body (it
must
> be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so).
> I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell
>
([2][5]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia
n-h
> offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but that
book
> is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk about
> string length and date on this lute (I do read German and couldn't
find
> the infos anywhere on the website)
> The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist (Sven
> Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of course
> not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as usual.
> Anybody out there who has more details about it?
> Thanks a lot,
> Luca
>
> --
>
>References
>
> 1. [6]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php
> 2.
>[7]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-h
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing
Dear common wisdom, a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website, planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it, unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video) mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2, 6x2). See [1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's the first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann' section on the page. It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body (it must be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so). I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell ([2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-h offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but that book is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk about string length and date on this lute (I do read German and couldn't find the infos anywhere on the website) The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist (Sven Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of course not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as usual. Anybody out there who has more details about it? Thanks a lot, Luca -- References 1. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php 2. http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-hoffmann.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Looking for a dissertation about the Bach BWV995 - FOUND!!
Dear Collective Wisdom,
thank you to absolutely everybody in this fantastic community for
providing so much help in such a short time frame!
I ended up following François-Pierre Goy advice and bought it from
ProQuest as a PDF with immediate download for US$ 38 (which presently
in EUR is a bargain...)
Thank you to Ralf Mattes: I was very thrilled to find out that Dr.
Grossman is now directing a foundation in Oberengadin, a Castle which
lies just a few miles away from a place (Baceno, on the very top edge
of Piedmont) where I'm always staying in summer, thanks to the parents
of my fiancée who own a cozy little house up there. I'll definitely
spend at least a day next summer to visit the place (and possibly meet
him).
Thank you Andreas Schlegel, I'll check also that shorter article as
luckily in fact I do speak German :-)
Thank you to Nancy Carlin, as I should NEVER forget that the LSA
Library is always of great help in these searches.
All the best to all of you,
Luca
On mer, 07 feb 2018 22:19:18 +0100 Francois-Pierre Goy
<f-p@yandex.com> wrote
Hi,
You can buy a copy on various formats from ProQuest Dissertation
Express ([1]https://dissexpress.proquest.com/search.html :
search publication number 10296642).
Alternatively, I suppose the Library of the University of Pavia
participates in the Interlibrary loan network and could obtain a copy ?
Good luck in your search !
François-Pierre Goy
07.02.2018, 19:28, "Luca Manassero" <[2]l...@manassero.net>:
Dear collective wisdom,
I'm presently working on my last year of the "laurea
magistralis"
(I'm actually 52, but I loved lute music so much that I finally
managed
to get thereâ¦) at the Conservatorio of Pavia and trying to
investigate
as much as possible the history of the sources of Bach suite BWV
995.
I'm also going to play the Leipzig manuscript version (with only a
few
fixes here and there) in my latest lute exam in four months, if I
survive the many complexitiesâ¦
In the library of the University of Indiana there should be a copy
of a
dissertation by Robert Grossmann, "The lute suite in G minor BWV 995
by
Johan Sebastian Bach : a comparison of the autograph manuscript and
the
lute intabulation in Leipzig, Sammlung Becker, MS III.ii.3" (1987),
but
I couldn't manage to get a copy so far. ResearchGate was supposed to
have one online, but I guess they only show certain titles to push
you
to subscribe.
Anybody out there who has a digital copy and is willing to share it
with me?
Thank you in advance!
Luca
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Looking for a dissertation about the Bach BWV995
Dear collective wisdom, I'm presently working on my last year of the "laurea magistralis" (I'm actually 52, but I loved lute music so much that I finally managed to get thereâ¦) at the Conservatorio of Pavia and trying to investigate as much as possible the history of the sources of Bach suite BWV 995. I'm also going to play the Leipzig manuscript version (with only a few fixes here and there) in my latest lute exam in four months, if I survive the many complexities⦠In the library of the University of Indiana there should be a copy of a dissertation by Robert Grossmann, "The lute suite in G minor BWV 995 by Johan Sebastian Bach : a comparison of the autograph manuscript and the lute intabulation in Leipzig, Sammlung Becker, MS III.ii.3" (1987), but I couldn't manage to get a copy so far. ResearchGate was supposed to have one online, but I guess they only show certain titles to push you to subscribe. Anybody out there who has a digital copy and is willing to share it with me? Thank you in advance! Luca -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Harp Sharp etc, on an 11c lute
You're welcome, Rob. And I tend to believe you're right. After 12 years of pretty intensive lute studies (renaissance in all its incarnations, baroque lute 11 and 13 course, theorbo) I'm still maniacally hip, BUT (and it's a big "but") I'm more and more fascinated by the music and its interpretation. I'm not sure whether it's a good idea to start an easy flame on this list ;-) but I tend to believe that historically informed instruments helped us a lot to stop playing lute music as a sort of strange sounding Spanish guitar music. Once we learn it, then music is the real centrum. You certainly already know what the Austrian philosopher Wittgenstein wrote (Umberto Eco ironically puts it in the mouth of Guglielmo da Baskerville in his "The name of the rose"): "[you] must, so to speak, throw away the ladder after [you have] climbed up it." Therefore, I really like your video :-) Luca Il 2017-10-18 10:15 Rob MacKillop ha scritto: > Thanks, Luca. > There is nothing "authentic" about a single-strung 11c lute, I am the > first to admit. The truth is, the older I get the harder it becomes to > swap between instruments. These days I mainly play guitar and theorbo > (single strung) and to suddenly pick up an 11 or 13 c lute is more of a > challenge than it used to be. So, I decided to make life a little > easier for myself. I'm sure this will upset some people, but all I want > to do is play beautiful music as best I can. > So, I hope people can just listen without making judgments over how > inauthentic I am being. I've been down the - shall we say - purist > road, and I love it when other people do that, as we all learn > something from it. I am still an "historically-informed performer", > though, and do my best to play with some sense of period style. > I hope people are open enough to just listen to the beautiful music. > And for what it's worth, I think the lute sounds beautiful too :-) > Rob MacKillop > > On 18 October 2017 at 09:01, Luca Manassero <[1]l...@manassero.net> > wrote: > > I'm a bit wondering about the single strung lute, but the music is > really lovely. > Over here (near Venice) it's the "real" first Fall day (it was very > sunny 'til today) and this music just fits perfectly. > Thank you, Rob > Il 2017-10-18 01:09 Rob MacKillop ha scritto: >> Might be of interest to some here: >> [1][2]https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks >> Rob MacKillop >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. [3]https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:l...@manassero.net > 2. https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks > 3. https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks > 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Harp Sharp etc, on an 11c lute
I'm a bit wondering about the single strung lute, but the music is really lovely. Over here (near Venice) it's the "real" first Fall day (it was very sunny 'til today) and this music just fits perfectly. Thank you, Rob Il 2017-10-18 01:09 Rob MacKillop ha scritto: > Might be of interest to some here: > [1]https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks > Rob MacKillop > > -- > > References > > 1. https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Tombeau de Mazarin
Dear Grzegorz, thank you for pointing it out: it's a really nice recording. All the best, Luca Grzegorz Joachimiak on 09/03/15 00:24 wrote: Dear all, did you hear Tombeau de Mazarin performed by Jan Cizmar? You can listen to it to gether with short prelude placed before Tombeau and also read short text about i t: [1]http://blog.polona.pl/2015/03/ksiega-na-lutnie-prelude-tombeau/ This is the part of The Book for Lute - project connected with PL-Wn Mus. 396 Ci m. lute manuscript. Grzegorz -- Lute in Silesia and in Poland [2]http://www.lute.pl To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. http://blog.polona.pl/2015/03/ksiega-na-lutnie-prelude-tombeau/ 2. http://www.lute.pl/ 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weiss - London Manuscript facsimile - FOUND!
Thank you to all who gave me precious indications concerning the Weiss London manuscript. It's really INVALUABLE to always get your very kind help. All the best, Luca Luca Manassero on 10/01/15 17:06 wrote: Dear collective wisdom, I'm looking for the facsimile of the well known London Manuscript (British Library Add. 30387). A digital copy would be fantastic (as it is so much lighter to carry arounda|), but buying the Ed. Peters in two volumes would also be an acceptable option, if only I could find a copy in Europe. All suggestions are welcome! (please note that I'm well aware of the many copies, transcriptions, etc. available online: unfortunately I really need the facsimile) Thank you in advance, Luca To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Weiss - London Manuscript facsimile - digital copy?
Dear collective wisdom, I'm looking for the facsimile of the well known London Manuscript (British Library Add. 30387). A digital copy would be fantastic (as it is so much lighter to carry arounda|), but buying the Ed. Peters in two volumes would also be an acceptable option, if only I could find a copy in Europe. All suggestions are welcome! (please note that I'm well aware of the many copies, transcriptions, etc. available online: unfortunately I really need the facsimile) Thank you in advance, Luca To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] The Grüssau manuscript collection (including the Parties for 2 baroque lutes)
Dear List, since many years I was looking for the Parties `a deux Luths that I had heard in a very dated recording of Narciso Yepes and Godelieve Monden. I had then learned that the music came from manuscript PL - Wu RM 4135, but the only way to find it had been to order the (partial) edition for two baroque lutes (11 course) edited by Gusta Goldschmidt back in 1990 for the Dutch Lute Society ([1]http://www.nederlandseluitvereniging.nl/). Today I (finally!) found the fac-simile on the web: in fact the whole manuscripts collection from the Gruessau Abbey (today Krzeszow), now held at the Warsaw University Library, is available at this address: [2]http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/. The two books of the Parties `a deux Luths (which include two transcriptions of Parties of Mr. Melante, possibly Georg Philipp Telemann) can then be downloaded at: - (1st lute) [3]http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/Mf%202001a%20RM%20413 5a.pdf - (2nd lute) [4]http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/Mf%202001b%20RM%20413 5b.pdf In case you'd like to learn a bit more about the Gruessau (Krzeszow) Mss. collection, I'd suggest a recent article by Tomasz Jez, Institute of Musicology, University of Warsaw, freely available on academia.edu ([5]http://www.academia.edu/1439977/Some_Remarks_About_the_Provenance_o f_the_Lute_Tablatures_from_Grussau_Krzeszow) Have a great weekend, Luca References 1. http://www.nederlandseluitvereniging.nl/ 2. http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/ 3. http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/Mf%202001a%20RM%204135a.pdf 4. http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/Mf%202001b%20RM%204135b.pdf 5. http://www.academia.edu/1439977/Some_Remarks_About_the_Provenance_of_the_Lute_Tablatures_from_Grussau_Krzeszow To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Zingy strings
I cannot cite my source, but somebody VERY much into strings making suggested to use hands cream (Nivea is very good and cheap over here) on overspun strings. It stops the ringing and the too long sustain, like it happens on - say - 10-years old strings. I tried it and had good results. Luca Edward Martin on 24/05/12 15.33 wrote: Hoppy used to use Lanolin rubbed into his Pyramid basses, but that was 29 years ago. ed At 06:20 AM 5/24/2012, William Samson wrote: Hi Ed, Age indeed . . . OH! You mean the strings? Yes - Dirt and sweat seem to tame them. I was wondering if the process could be speeded up by rubbing, say, beeswax into an overwound string. Anybody tried that? Bill From: Ed Durbrow [1]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp To: William Samson [2]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk; baroque lute list [3]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2012, 2:36 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Zingy strings On May 23, 2012, at 11:31 PM, William Samson wrote: Hi, Just wondering if anybody had found a good way to take the worst of the boom and everlasting sustain out of overwound basses? Age will help. To get on or off this list see list information at [1][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [6]e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 [7]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871ref=name [8]http://www.myspace.com/edslute [9]http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin References 1. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 2. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 3. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:e...@gamutstrings.com 7. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871ref=name 8. http://www.myspace.com/edslute 9. http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Bach’s Lute Suites: This Myth is Busted
An interesting post: [1]http://www.classicalguitarcanada.ca/2012/04/bachs-lute-suites-this-m yth-is-busted-part-i/ Luca References 1. http://www.classicalguitarcanada.ca/2012/04/bachs-lute-suites-this-myth-is-busted-part-i/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] News of the lutemaker Hendrik Hasenfuss?
Dear list, after a very sad and upsetting e-mail exchange with the lutemaker Hendrik Hasenfuss in last october, I have been consistently unable to get an answer from him concerning the baroque lute he built me for me in 2009. During that e-mail exchange I learned that he disliked very much the fact that I involved this list in september when looking for informations about him, but I couldn't do any better, as he wasn't apparently answering my many e-mails. Now I really need to have him repairing my instrument: the action of this lute is raising and teh instrument seems to slightly bend, while the bridge seems to slightly unglue from its position. I can hardly believe that a professional and well-known lutemaker is only willing to repair one of his instruments if the customer is worthy to own one, so I hope that you can help me reaching him. Please note that I will copy this e-mail to the regular lute list as well. Thank you in advance, Luca To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Hendrik Hasenfuss
He made a very nice baroque lute for me too :-) Luca David van Ooijen on 29/09/11 22.49 wrote: since June I am trying to get in touch with German lutemaker Hendrik Hasenfuss ([1][1]http://www.lauten.com), who made my Baroque lute What a cool string calculator he has on his website! David - happy owner of a Hasenfuss archlute References 1. http://www.lauten.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: C'est l'amour qui nous menace
Wow! I love to play Lully transcriptions, but I only knew about Mouton ones. Where did you get the Gallot one? Thanks, Luca wikla on 20/08/11 21.31 wrote: Dear b-lutenists, there are at least 3 lutenist Gallots, the great Jacques, another vieux from Angers, and then the jeune. Possibly there are more luts Gallots? Any family tree known? A couple of hours ago I played and double tubed a simple Lully transcription of C'est l'amour qui nous menace from opera Roland by Gallot le jeune, Beautiful tiny little piece: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83B7_qRAgzo [2]http://vimeo.com/27947753 Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83B7_qRAgzo 2. http://vimeo.com/27947753 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weiss for 11c in Venetiis
Dear List, as the in Venetiis manuscript has been named, do you know whether is available on our beloved internet? The only edition I know is quite old and (at lest apparently) not really easy to buy. Thanks, Luca Markus Lutz on 27/07/11 01.20 wrote: Probably Thomas means the In Venetiis - this is 11-course music completely. There we have mostly really early works of Weiss and some French works also, possibly from 1712 - but the date can hardly be read. The Weiss a Rome is a much later manuscript (although some of the music is very early also), probably around 1740, as there is a Tombeau by Gebel in it and also some Chorals by Falckenhagen. Best regards Markus Am 26.07.2011 21:24, schrieb Bernd Haegemann: the entire Paris MS is for the 11-course lute. Charming stuff BTW Best wishes . there are some 5s and 6s lurking though... (we are talking about the Weiss `a Rome ms, aren't we?) best regards Bernd Thomas Am Dienstag, 26. Juli 2011, 18.06:44 schrieb Christopher Pearcy: Dear List As some-one who plays exclusively the French repertory, I'm now looking to explore Weiss a little. Can anyone let me know what the best primary sources for his 11c music are? I suspect that the London ms is probably one - but how much of it is for 11c lute? Best wishes Chris Pearcy -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Thomas Schall Doerflistrasse 2 CH-6078 Lungern +41 41 678 00 79 [2]lauten...@lautenist.de -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. mailto:lauten...@lautenist.de
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Library search
Dear List, I am looking for a short excerpt of a publication which has proven difficult to find and (unfortunately) expensive: ROLLIN MONIQUE, Les oeuvres de Lully transcrites pour le luth. In Jean-Baptiste Lully, Laaber Verlag 1990, pp. 483-494 Thank you, Luca Manassero To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The Lute Book of Jollas, Jollaksen luuttukirja
Dear Arto, many thanks for this really nice collection of wonderful music. This has always been the spirit of the Baroque Lute :-) Your Lutebook and your recordings will hopefulyl help many other lutenists to approach the world of this music. Thanks again, Luca [1]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi on 08/07/11 12.41 wrote: Dear baroque lutenists, when there has been some major changes in my life, I thought it is perhaps time for an inventory of my efforts to learn the 11-course baroque lute. So I collected the music of the pieces I have sent to the tubes as a single pdf-lutebook. Mainly the music is in facsimile form. There are 85 pieces that I like a lot! Basically I made the book to myself - to find out, what I really have made and also to physically find the music once again... But perhaps there is some joy of the book also to others? I by myself might consider this as the lute book to be taken to a lonely island. :-) Here is the link [2]http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/11_courseLute/JollaksenLuut tukirja.pdf (size is about 6 M) Jollas is the beautiful place in Helsinki, where I was living until June. And there I have recorded all those pieces. That is why The Lute Book of Jollas, in Finnish Jollaksen luuttukirja. All the best, Arto References 1. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 2. http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/11_courseLute/JollaksenLuuttukirja.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] The Barbe Manuscript on Scribd.com
Dear List, maybe you knew it already: the well-known Barbe Manuscript is available on Scribd.com at the follwoing address: [1]http://www.scribd.com/doc/49734229/Manuscrit-Barbe Black and white of course (no colours unfortunately!), but it's a very good copy, as far as I can tell. Luca References 1. http://www.scribd.com/doc/49734229/Manuscrit-Barbe To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Looking for the Robarts Lute Book (facsimile)
Dear List, I am looking for the Robarts Lute Book in facsimile (not any partial transcription, like the one available for Django). Boethius Press printed it in 1978 and is more or less impossible to buy, despite many references on the web. If somebody has a copy and is willing to put it in a scanner, I'll be EXTREMELY grateful. Just in case; I'd need Robert Spencer's introduction as well ;-) Thank you in advance, Luca To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Looking for Denis Gaultier - Pièces de lut h (fac-simile)
Dear List, sorry to continously bother all of you on missing fac-simile, but apparently most of the French baroque has not been reprinted for a *long* time... I am looking for Denis (et Ennemond) Gaultier Pièces de Luth fac-simile. If somebody has it and has time to scan it, it would be GREAT. Minkoff doesn't have it at the moment, nor they have plans to reissue it, apparently. Thanks, Luca To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Looking for Denis Gaultier - Pièces de luth (fac-simile)
Thank you, David. David van Ooijen on 22-04-2010 17:29 wrote: 2010/4/22 Luca Manassero [1]l...@manassero.net: I am looking for Denis (et Ennemond) Gaultier Pieces de Luth fac-simile. If somebody has it and has time to scan it, it would be GREAT. Performers' Facsimiles - New York has it. Nr. 279 in the catalogue. Cheaper than Minkoff, too. :-) David References 1. mailto:l...@manassero.net To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Lully, it was Lully in Balcarres!
Dear Arto, yesterday I have spent my whole lute lesson (with Massimo Lonardi in Venice) on the Lully-Mouton lute transcriptions: very, very interesting. I tend to work on single units (one author, etc.) when I can, and this could becpme an interesting concert program, I think. Togerther with what you found in the Balcarres mss., are you aware of other Lully transcription FOR BAROQUE LUTE somewhere else? Thanks, Luca wikla on 17-04-2010 0:22 wrote: Thanks Luca! Well, I'm also waiting the MS edition... In the meantime I seem to find it easier and easier to be able to read the original... There are hard places, and there are clear mistakes, and also less clear mistakes-or-not-mistakes? But that will be the case with modern editions, too! Most often than not! Anyhow, the analyses and several kind of listings of modern editions are often much more useful than the editions themselves! If you happen to have the originals... :-) Arto On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:19:45 +0200, Luca Manassero [1]l...@manassero.net wrote: Very good pick, Arto. I am working on a slightly more readable ;-) version, using Wayne's TAB. Hoping that Dr. Matthew Spring's version of Balcarres will see the light sometime soon... Thank you! Luca wikla on 13-04-2010 21:47 wrote: Baroque lutenists, I happened to find one to me very familiar piece piece by Lully in ms. Balcarres. Perhaps it is generally known, perhaps not. Better to tell, in case it is not... So on page 19 there is a Belle hereuse, with the 9th lowed halfe a note, mr. Beck's way. And actually it is an arrangement of a song by Lully: Sommes nous pas trop heureux from Ballet de l'Impatience, 1661! I have played also a de Visee's theorbo arr., so that is why, I knew the piece. Peter Steur in his very useful listings of the contents of every baroque lute ms. and print, doesn't mention this connection. (Btw: Thanks for your pages, Peter, if you happen to read this! I use them every day!) So, of course I had to make a tubing, too:;-) [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXmqGAi7EX4 [3]http://www.vimeo.com/10903832 And the original Lully version can be found in my French theorbo page: [4]http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Tiorba/deVisee/ Direct link to the pdf: [5]http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Tiorba/deVisee/Sommes_nous_orig.pdf I am sure there is more Lully in Balcarres! Peter lists a couple, but I believe there must be many more. Anyone knows? All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. mailto:l...@manassero.net 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXmqGAi7EX4 3. http://www.vimeo.com/10903832 4. http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Tiorba/deVisee/ 5. http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Tiorba/deVisee/Sommes_nous_orig.pdf 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Catalogue of Renaissance Lute music (was Lully)
Not comparable, but you can try this: [1]http://www.library.appstate.edu/music/lute/lute.html Luca Stephen Arndt on 17-04-2010 16:53 wrote: I had not looked at Peter Steur's catalogue before. It is very impressive. Is there a similar catalogue for Renaissance lute, searchable by composer? - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann [2]b...@symbol4.de To: [3]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Luca Manassero [4]l...@manassero.net Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:29 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lully, it was Lully in Balcarres! Ciao belli, Togerther with what you found in the Balcarres mss., are you aware of other Lully transcription FOR BAROQUE LUTE somewhere else? start here: [5]http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=engid=2type=mssmss=nam=; key=msnam=comp=Lully :) tanti saluti Bernardo To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. http://www.library.appstate.edu/music/lute/lute.html 2. mailto:b...@symbol4.de 3. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:l...@manassero.net 5. http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=engid=2type=mssmss=nam=key=msnam=comp=Lully 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lully in Balcarres!
Very good pick, Arto. I am working on a slightly more readable ;-) version, using Wayne's TAB. Hoping that Dr. Matthew Spring's version of Balcarres will see the light sometime soon... Thank you! Luca wikla on 13-04-2010 21:47 wrote: Baroque lutenists, I happened to find one to me very familiar piece piece by Lully in ms. Balcarres. Perhaps it is generally known, perhaps not. Better to tell, in case it is not... So on page 19 there is a Belle hereuse, with the 9th lowed halfe a note, mr. Beck's way. And actually it is an arrangement of a song by Lully: Sommes nous pas trop heureux from Ballet de l'Impatience, 1661! I have played also a de Visee's theorbo arr., so that is why, I knew the piece. Peter Steur in his very useful listings of the contents of every baroque lute ms. and print, doesn't mention this connection. (Btw: Thanks for your pages, Peter, if you happen to read this! I use them every day!) So, of course I had to make a tubing, too:;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXmqGAi7EX4 http://www.vimeo.com/10903832 And the original Lully version can be found in my French theorbo page: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Tiorba/deVisee/ Direct link to the pdf: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Tiorba/deVisee/Sommes_nous_orig.pdf I am sure there is more Lully in Balcarres! Peter lists a couple, but I believe there must be many more. Anyone knows? All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Mss. Vaudry de Saizenay
Dear List, as you may know the fac-simile edition of the Mss. Vaudry de Saizenay is out of print since a lot of time, not has Minkoff announced a re-print. If anybody has a fac-simile to sell, please let me know directly. I already have a PDF of the manuscript (in black and white) -thanks to an extremely kind memeber of this list, but I am still looking for a printed copy, if available somewhere. Thank you in advance, Luca To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Bohush manuscript?
Dear collective wisdom, I am looking for more information about the Bohush manuscript. In the 32 Easy Pieces for Baroque Lute, edited by Anthony Bailes for Tree Edition a number of pieces have been included from a Bohush manuscript, without any further detail. The Chaconne is beautiful. Any body out there knowing more about this manuscript? Thank you in advance to you all, Luca To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Baroque lute primer
Dear Baroque Lutenists, one month ago Hendrik Hasenfuss delivered a superbe 11 course Baroque lute based on the Tielke (MI394, 1696) at the Germanisches Nationalmuseum in Nuernberg. (I am sure you know already, but there is a very interesting site on Joachim Tielke and his instruments at http://tielke-hamburg.de) I had asked him to ship it to Neuburg an der Donau while I was attending Jakob Lindberg's Masterclass, so I had the chance to use one of his lessons to get an introduction to the Baroque lute and peruse Anthony Bayles anthology (32 Easy Pieces for Baroque Lute) printed by Tree Edition to select a few pieces to start with. I'm eager to get hints and suggestions which other pieces would you consider a good starting point: not methods (Satoh or Serdoura or others), but music only. I am really thankful in advance to anybody willing to e-mail his/her thoughts and suggestions. Luca To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque lute and traverso
This summer in Neuburg an der Donau I've heard a number of lovely pieces for traverso baroque lute (continuo). If I am not wrong they had been written by Jacques Hotteterre. Have fun, Luca Bernd Haegemann on 21-10-2008 19:34 wrote: Dear all, could you point me to some repertoire for the combination baroque lute traverso (I am aware of the possibility to play continuo on the d-minor lute :-) thank you!! B. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
