Re: Can't launch BBEdit

[BGalindo]

by the way, I had the very same problem in bbedit last week, searching this 
group helped me find the answer!  thanks for this dialogue.

I tried to execute a complex grep pattern in playground (which I realized 
too late I could greatly simplify :-) )on a .json dataset file and bbedit 
choked, I know it choked because I gave it a couple hours on my quad-pro 
and it was still hung, same when I tried to restart.

thanks for the info on the startup options!  I love bbedit, it is a vital 
tool in my dev work, and pattern playground is handy, I just realized to be 
careful with the complexity of my patterns if the playground is pointed at 
a large open file.

Brian H

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 11:16:38 AM UTC-6 listmei...@gmail.com wrote:

> On 04/16/2021, at 02:23, @lbutlr  wrote:
>
> I added the BBEdit manual to my Books.app Library. Maybe I'll even 
> remember it's there the next time I am in desperate need, but I've been 
> using BBEdit for almost 20 years (yes, I'm a n00b) and this is the first 
> time I could't get into the app to open the manual, so… 
>
> --
>
> Hey Lewis,
>
> Give it a relevant tag like ‘BBEdit.Manual’, so Spotlight can find it 
> easily.
>
> tag:BBEdit.Manual
>
> And since you’re a bit of a shell-head there's always:
>
> mdfind -onlyin ~/Library/ "(kMDItemDisplayName = '*bbedit user 
> manual*'cdw || \
> kMDItemAlternateNames = '*bbedit user manual*'cdw) && \
> kMDItemContentTypeTree = 'com.adobe.pdf*'c" | sort -g
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Chris
>
>

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Re: Can't launch BBEdit

[Christopher Stone]

On 04/16/2021, at 02:23, @lbutlr mailto:krem...@kreme.com>> 
wrote:
> I added the BBEdit manual to my Books.app Library. Maybe I'll even remember 
> it's there the next time I am in desperate need, but I've been using BBEdit 
> for almost 20 years (yes, I'm a n00b) and this is the first time I could't 
> get into the app to open the manual, so… 


Hey Lewis,

Give it a relevant tag like ‘BBEdit.Manual’, so Spotlight can find it easily.

tag:BBEdit.Manual

And since you’re a bit of a shell-head there's always:

mdfind -onlyin ~/Library/ "(kMDItemDisplayName = '*bbedit user manual*'cdw || \
kMDItemAlternateNames = '*bbedit user manual*'cdw) && \
kMDItemContentTypeTree = 'com.adobe.pdf*'c" | sort -g

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Re: Can't launch BBEdit

[@lbutlr]

On 15 Apr 2021, at 05:56, TJ Luoma  wrote:
> FWIW - I also keep a folder with software manuals at ~/Dropbox/Bookshelf/ 
> which has come in handy over the years.

I added the BBEdit manual to my Books.app Library. Maybe I'll even remember 
it's there the next time I am in desperate need, but I've been using BBEdit for 
almost 20 years (yes, I'm a n00b) and this is the first time I could't get into 
the app to open the manual, so… 

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Re: Can't launch BBEdit

[TJ Luoma]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 1:31 AM @lbutlr  wrote:

> I didn't have the manual saved off and couldn’t remember where it was
stored, so I could not
> access it from the help menu because I could not open Bbedit, so I
guessed. Fortunately I did not
> chose poorly (this time).

It's also on the BBEdit website


https://www.barebones.com/support/bbedit/manual.html

which I found via 'bbedit manual pdf' into my search engine of choice.

I know first-hand that it's hard to think of some of these things when
you're very focused on trying to fix an issue — plus I've *had* access to
the manual and missed answers to questions I've had -- so this is not meant
as a criticism, just as a tip that I hope will be handy if anything like
this comes up again.

FWIW - I also keep a folder with software manuals at ~/Dropbox/Bookshelf/
which has come in handy over the years.

~ Tj

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Re: Can't launch BBEdit

[@lbutlr]

On 11 Apr 2021, at 09:28, Patrick Woolsey  wrote:
> For general reference, if you've asked BBEdit to bite off more than it can 
> reasonably chew :-), please see the section "Launching BBEdit" (pg 44 in the 
> current edition) within Chapter 3 of the user manual[*]: 

I didn't have the manual saved off and couldn’t remember where it was stored, 
so I could not access it from the help menu because I could not open Bbedit, so 
I guessed. Fortunately I did not chose poorly (this time).


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Re: Can't launch BBEdit

[bruce linde]

wait… there’s some kind of manual/instructions with this thing?!?8-)

i constantly forget that the manual is pretty comprehensive and to check the 
damn thing.

i loves my bbedit.














> On Apr 11, 2021, at 8:28 AM, Patrick Woolsey  wrote:
> 
> For general reference, if you've asked BBEdit to bite off more than it can 
> reasonably chew :-), please see the section "Launching BBEdit" (pg 44 in the 
> current edition) within Chapter 3 of the user manual[*]: 
> 
>Launching BBEdit
> 
>To launch BBEdit, double-click the BBEdit application icon or a BBEdit 
>document. Holding down the following keys at launch has the indicated
>effects, overriding any startup options set in the Application preference
>panel. When one of these key combinations is applied, BBEdit will beep 
>after it finishes launching.
> 
>ModifierFunction
>
>Option  Suppress startup items only.
> 
>Shift   Disable all external services and startup items,
>and skip reopening all documents except those
>which contain unsaved changes.
> 
>Command-Disable all external services and startup items,
>Control-Shift   and optionally discard auto-recover [info] (which
>will result in the loss of any unsaved changes).
> 
> [*: available at any time via Help -> User Manual ]
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Patrick Woolsey
> ==
> Bare Bones Software, Inc. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2021, at 05:36, @lbutlr  wrote:
>> 
>> On 11 Apr 2021, at 03:25, @lbutlr  wrote:
>>> On 11 Apr 2021, at 00:03, @lbutlr  wrote:
 On 10 Apr 2021, at 22:26, Tom Robinson  wrote:
> It won’t be doing the same search when you relaunch, it’s probably just 
> reopening the huge document.  How long have you given it?
 
 Oh, 15 minutes? Maybe a bit more.
>>> 
>>> It's now been more than 3h20m, Bbedit is still pinwheeled and the search 
>>> playground window is still nothing pout an outline.
>> 
>> OK, I got it back. I THINK holding the shift key down while BBEdit launched 
>> stopped it from doing whatever it was doing before because all the windows 
>> came up right away including the 20,000,000 line file and the search 
>> playground window, but it wasn't processing.
>> 
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Re: Can't launch BBEdit

[Patrick Woolsey]

For general reference, if you've asked BBEdit to bite off more than it can 
reasonably chew :-), please see the section "Launching BBEdit" (pg 44 in the 
current edition) within Chapter 3 of the user manual[*]: 

Launching BBEdit

To launch BBEdit, double-click the BBEdit application icon or a BBEdit 
document. Holding down the following keys at launch has the indicated
effects, overriding any startup options set in the Application preference
panel. When one of these key combinations is applied, BBEdit will beep 
after it finishes launching.

ModifierFunction

Option  Suppress startup items only.
 
Shift   Disable all external services and startup items,
and skip reopening all documents except those
which contain unsaved changes.

Command-Disable all external services and startup items,
Control-Shift   and optionally discard auto-recover [info] (which
will result in the loss of any unsaved changes).

[*: available at any time via Help -> User Manual ]


Regards,

 Patrick Woolsey
==
Bare Bones Software, Inc. 




> On Apr 11, 2021, at 05:36, @lbutlr  wrote:
> 
> On 11 Apr 2021, at 03:25, @lbutlr  wrote:
>> On 11 Apr 2021, at 00:03, @lbutlr  wrote:
>>> On 10 Apr 2021, at 22:26, Tom Robinson  wrote:
 It won’t be doing the same search when you relaunch, it’s probably just 
 reopening the huge document.  How long have you given it?
>>> 
>>> Oh, 15 minutes? Maybe a bit more.
>> 
>> It's now been more than 3h20m, Bbedit is still pinwheeled and the search 
>> playground window is still nothing pout an outline.
> 
> OK, I got it back. I THINK holding the shift key down while BBEdit launched 
> stopped it from doing whatever it was doing before because all the windows 
> came up right away including the 20,000,000 line file and the search 
> playground window, but it wasn't processing.
> 
[...older messages elided...]

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Re: Can't launch BBEdit

[@lbutlr]

On 11 Apr 2021, at 03:25, @lbutlr  wrote:
> On 11 Apr 2021, at 00:03, @lbutlr  wrote:
>> On 10 Apr 2021, at 22:26, Tom Robinson  wrote:
>>> It won’t be doing the same search when you relaunch, it’s probably just 
>>> reopening the huge document.  How long have you given it?
>> 
>> Oh, 15 minutes? Maybe a bit more.
> 
> It's now been more than 3h20m, Bbedit is still pinwheeled and the search 
> playground window is still nothing pout an outline.

OK, I got it back. I THINK holding the shift key down while BBEdit launched 
stopped it from doing whatever it was doing before because all the windows came 
up right away including the 20,000,000 line file and the search playground 
window, but it wasn't processing.

Or it was coincidence and BBEdit did something internal after being force-quit 
several times.

Or the tidal influence of Jupiter on the bosons on my SSD.

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Re: Can't launch BBEdit

[@lbutlr]

On 11 Apr 2021, at 00:03, @lbutlr  wrote:
> On 10 Apr 2021, at 22:26, Tom Robinson  wrote:
>> It won’t be doing the same search when you relaunch, it’s probably just 
>> reopening the huge document.  How long have you given it?
> 
> Oh, 15 minutes? Maybe a bit more.

It's now been more than 3h20m, Bbedit is still pinwheeled and the search 
playground window is still nothing pout an outline.


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Re: Can't launch BBEdit

[@lbutlr]

On 10 Apr 2021, at 22:26, Tom Robinson  wrote:
> It won’t be doing the same search when you relaunch, it’s probably just 
> reopening the huge document.  How long have you given it?

Oh, 15 minutes? Maybe a bit more.

The reason I think it is doing the search is the the playground window is the 
front window and it not drawn completely, only the outline of that window 
appears.

I'll leave it for longer and see what happens, but I think it's dead.

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Re: Can't launch BBEdit

[Tom Robinson]

It won’t be doing the same search when you relaunch, it’s probably just 
reopening the huge document.  How long have you given it?


> On 2021-04-11, at 11:11, @lbutlr  wrote:
> 
> So, I was working on trying to write a regex for some data and using the umm… 
> search playground? Whatever it is called.
> 
> And I entered a search query which I expected would match several individual 
> characters per line on a Gile containing 50-100 lines of sample data taken 
> from the source file.
> 
> However, I was ACTUALLY searching over the real data files with … 20,000,000 
> lines. 
> 
> :)
> 
> Needless to say, this did not go well and the next day I forced BBEDit to 
> quit.
> 
> But when I relaunch it, it is still doing the same search, I guess.
> 
> Two questions, can I find where BBedit has the temporary unsaved files that 
> are open so I can recover them or set them aside and how do I open BBEdit 
> without it doing the playground search again?
> 
> It very efficiently goes into "not responding" mode almost immediately after 
> launching.

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Can't launch BBEdit

[@lbutlr]

So, I was working on trying to write a regex for some data and using the umm… 
search playground? Whatever it is called.

And I entered a search query which I expected would match several individual 
characters per line on a Gile containing 50-100 lines of sample data taken from 
the source file.

However, I was ACTUALLY searching over the real data files with … 20,000,000 
lines. 

:)

Needless to say, this did not go well and the next day I forced BBEDit to quit.

But when I relaunch it, it is still doing the same search, I guess.

Two questions, can I find where BBedit has the temporary unsaved files that are 
open so I can recover them or set them aside and how do I open BBEdit without 
it doing the playground search again?

It very efficiently goes into "not responding" mode almost immediately after 
launching.

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