Re: York back up, Other Soundfile News
I am having trouble getting any length of streaming info, however the first clanger seems to be BD can not correct all the problems you have? Why not? GA - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:08 AM Subject: Re: York back up, Other Soundfile News The address for the York file is http://www.gardeningforthefuture.com From there, click on the BIODYNAMICS button on the bottom of the page And then click through on the York banner. (Check out the under-progress MABFAFC banner, also!) Perry- Let me know how this works out for you -Allan
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
Dear Lloyd, It seems to me that Messrs York amd Brinton must be farming in some very good country to claim that any system must be able to produce reliable results year in , and year out. they obviously dont farm in an area which has any climatic limitations like we are at the moment.Last Sunday when we came home from the peace march temperature at 6pm was 44 degrees Celcius (110oF). It had been somewhere about that for the previous week, with gale force winds. Then the gale force winds became freezing cold, down to 5 degree Celcius (40o F). Quite a change. How can anyone claim that a productionv system has to be able to produce reliable crops when Australian farmers continually face this challenge of extremely variable rainfall and temperatures. Even if you are an irrigation farmer there is hardly any water allocated because it is not in the dams. As you know our area is generally acknowledged as a pretty safe rainfall area, average 800 mm anually. In the last 15 months rainfall has not reached 150 mm. I know that your farm has not fared much better. Under these conditions any improvement from the use of radionics is easily observed. The fruit trees are in the best condition that I have ever seen them. Particularly with no water since last winter. The grass in between the trees is non existent, just dust. The earth is cracking but the trees are in fantastic health. As good an advertisement for a combination of BD and Radionics as you would ever wish to see. Most of the stock on the mountain have been depastured to other areas or are on the road, scrabbling whatever survival feed they can find. On Sattwa Park even although to look at it you would wonder what the stock are eating they are still in very good condition. The major problem that we have at the moment is drinking water for stock and household water. I am sure that when it eventually rains we will see the recovery results from the use of Radionics and BD. Go well James Hedley. - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 12:28 AM Subject: Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts I'll just put this out here for comment: Alan York and Will Brinton both state that they have never seen or heard of claims of crops reliably produced (this means year after year, something that excludes many variables: repeatability) through the use of radionics, except by people who are involved in selling radionics on some level. First person ndorsements to the contrary are encouraged Hi Allan Hmmm crops reliably produced -year after year I certainly would'nt make that claim for radionics(on its own), nor would I support it for biodynamics(on its own), it certainly does not happen in conventional agriculture, no one way is reliable when taken in isolation, and isolation is the special talent of scientists - when we eliminate the variables to allow a 'valid trial' we also eliminate many of the mechanisms that allow nature to function properly. When I go look at the people that are making alternative agriculture work well in most cases they are using a broad range of tactics, and if not they are happily sequestered on a patch of specially good and fertile soil that forgives the mistakes. Away from those places you mostly find that a balanced combination of good basic soil remineralisation, stimulation of microbial activity, and energetics is whats needed for best results, BD or radionics (energetics) without the minerals is a struggle, likewise a mineralised soil low in energy, microbial stimulation (compost tea etc) without attending to basic minerals will crash and burn one day too. Of course we can always take the other road and adjust yield expectations downward to come in line with the low fertility - many wine grape growers do this with seeming good results - planting on a dry barren hillside and thinning the crop, ' stressing the vines' so that the low supply of soil minerals is sufficient to give high quality fruit and make top grade wine - the logic of this escapes me but it seems to work - I think differently - why not grow on a more hospitable patch - aim for better yield and supply the minerals that are lacking ?? My thoughts anyway Lloyd Charles
Re: Scan of January 2003 from Maria Thuns Working with the Stars
I would like a copy as well - thank you - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Scan of January 2003 from Maria Thuns Working with the Stars - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 2:44 AM Subject: Scan of January 2003 from Maria Thuns Working with the Stars I've got a 4part jpg of january's planting into I can email to anyone who is interested in seeing how WORKING WITH THE STARS is setup. You can pick up a real copy of this indispensable book from Hugh Courtney at JPI. Hi Allan Could you email me this please - I realise its out of sync for the southern hemisphere but I'd like to compare it anyway . Thanks Lloyd Charles
Re: Radionics and scientists
Dear Lloyd, Just a quick note on the results of the BD trial at Dalgetty. A short while ago Roger commented how the BD trial area had improved since 20mm of rain. He informed me today that due to the fires that are still sweeping down around Jindabyne they are opening up the TSR to 300 head of cattle for a month. Not bad for 100 acres or so that had previously been condemmed as some of the poorest soil on the Monaro. That is before we even start to use Radionics. It has only had BD preps and compost teas on it to date. Will keep you informed what is happening on the TSR. Roger is going to do a photo shoot within the next couple of days to add to the pictorial record of the trials. There is going to be an International Rangeland Conference at Cooma at the end of this year where there is a possibility of doing a presentation on the BD trial at this conference. However this is just a distant dream of two crazy characters who love to play around seeing what happens if we do this, or if we do that. We dont have any BD theory to defend, and it may be that by the time we are finished that some of the given facts of BD theory may have to be looked at again. Particularly on the use of BD 501. Go well. James Hedley. - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Radionics and scientists Allan wrote I noticed over and over again that as I asked Mr. York or Mr. Brinton about the effectiveness of one dynamic approach to another - - from Heinz Groetzke's 100% chicken manure tea to radionic application, each of them in their own way and own words asked 'Why would a person need that? There must be something fairly basic that is not right or you wouldn't be looking for something so extreme.' I agree wholeheartedly with getting the basics right first - but cant agree that radionics (or homeopathic use of BDpreps ) is extreme - opposite I would have thought - very subtle ! . I reckon using big licks of compost is extreme, accepting as normal, a quarter or less of commercial yields is extreme, growing plants under more or less continuous moisture stress to induce mineralised fruit is extreme, bombing a vineyard on a regular basis with elemental sulphur seems extreme, using radionics to remove the need for some of these tactics would seem to be pretty worthwhile to me. While I dont agree with the use of radionics to flog a particular brand of product I do agree with Gil that we should take notice of the results gained by professional practicioners after all does Alan York consult for free? Does Brinton do lab testing for free so as to remain unbiased ? I still think too that once someone (anyone) decides that radionics (or anything else) has no place in the system they become quite blind to anything but the most blatantly obvious result. When I posted on brix and frost a few weeks back Elaine Ingham just could not accept the possibility that I may have been right in saying that high brix in the crop sap rendered that crop less prone to frosting - no it was the microbes pure and simple, the critters did it by generating warmth!!, OK I maybe do have the microbes going better than the guy down the road, but I sure as hell know I had brix going way way better, It wouldnt have cost much to consider the possibility. I think these two guys above are a tad biased in their outlook and approach to radionics and (probably) homeopathic preps. These days when I hear prove it . I just say nah! you go look for your self. If the person has an open mind and there's something there they'll see it - if they're open to the possibility and cant see they'll ask to be shown, if they're not open no amount of 'proving' will make the difference!! Cheers all Lloyd Charles
Re: The Dalgety Project
Dear Roger, The land must certainly have improved since the last time Barbara and I last saw it. If it can keep 300 head of cattle on survival rations for even a month the work has been worthwhile. Go well. James - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:44 AM Subject: The Dalgety Project James, the fire is pouring down the properties and backblocks south - south-east of Jindabyne, particularly around Paupong, and of course there has already been a lot of pasture burned out plus most properties are down to a couple of inches of water in their tanks. So the rural lands protection board is opening the Dalgety Travelling Stock Reserve where our project is. There's 300 + cattle going in there Wednesday for at least a month. Hope they like the water! Might even eat the lovegrass!! I'm scheduled to go there tomorrow anyway so I'll do a full photo scan while I'm there.. roger
Re: Smoke Alarm alarming
Dear Roger, I thought that it would be common knowledge in America of the use of depleted uranium in Iraq and Afghanistan. However American soldiers must be immune to radioactivity as they are going to send 250,000 troops into the areas where the depleted uranium has been used before. The veterans from the first Gulf War can testify as to the effectiveness of the use of depleted uranium. Should be interesting to keep the medical records of those soldiers. Pity even the poor technicians who will not know about the radioactivity of the areas around the wells that they will need to bring back on stream. but as Colin Powell has said he is not interested in those kinds of figures. The victory in Iraq will be a pyrrhic one when you look at the long term costs to the US. Our esteemed leaders who are holding a war conference next weekend will incur a karmic debt that will take them many lifetimes to pay off. Regards James Hedley - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Smoke Alarm alarming Allan Balliett wrote: The other difficult thing to figure out is the US gov's push to dispose of radioactive waste by putting it into products. This alarm must be an example of this (the good outdoes the bad: radioactive waste is being 'disposed' of). I've heard that the biggest reason for the irradiation push was to use up radioactive waste. Now we are hearing that many of the shells dropped in yugoslovia and Afghanistan were radioacitve, made of old plutonoium ie Throwing our radioactive waste all over someone else's country/// Is this a green-lit fantasy, or is this what's happening? 'Depleted Uranium' they call it and, Yes, Allan, it's happening. A lot of DU stuff was used in the Kosovo conflict, quite possibly it is being used in bombs and missiles falling on Iraq now in the 'no fly' zone so assiduously defended by the US and the Brits.. Also I am given to understand there are 'No Go' radiation areas in some US and allied cemeteries around the graves of soldiers who have died since being involved in Desert Storm. Of course this is stuff we will rarely if ever read about or see in the mainstream media which is why it is so important to keep up with world news using other channels such as independent stations and papers and magazines of which GlobalNews is an excellent example. Unfortunately, until the bombs begin bouncing through their roofs or the SWAT teams through their front doors, the majority of people are not interested enough to turn away from their '494 stations from around the Worrrld on Your PayTeeVee Sets' to find out what's really happening 'out there'. February 15th is an ultra-important date in the ongoing tragedy of Planet Earth. It is probably one of the very few chances We the People will have to stop the war happening. If not the only chance. There will be a rally near you. Please go to it. roger
A Fiery Taste of Oz
Courtesy of ABC (Oz): Victoria's bushfires have blackened almost one million hectares. The perimeter of the blaze stretches 1,700 kilometres from Mount Buffalo in north-east Victoria to the Snowy River in New South Wales. North-east Victoria is well contained and backburning is continuing around Mitta Mitta and Mt Beauty under favourable weather conditions. Stuart Ord from the Department of Sustainability and Environment says it is a massive blaze. To try and put it into perspective, we're looking at the total of the fire at about 916,000 hectares, he said. If you overlay that over Melbourne, that's a radius of 54 kilometres extending in all areas from the centre of Melbourne. That's a huge fire. roger
Re: BD Brain Teasers (2)
Lloyd Charles wrote: This is just a game OK? Near the dam are four black plastic 200 litre drums with push-fit lids, all were filled from the dam: No 1 was filled 10 Oct 02 when the dam was full and the water comparatively clear. (Vitality rating (VR) about 1500). No it isn't a game, Lloyd, sorry. I really am looking for answers here from the different perspectives demonstrated on this list. roger
Re: The Dalgety Project
James Hedley wrote: Dear Roger, The land must certainly have improved since the last time Barbara and I last saw it. If it can keep 300 head of cattle on survival rations for even a month the work has been worthwhile. I don't know that there is enough feed for a month but there could be water. I'm altering the methodology of the project to take the cattle into account, it will be a good opportunity to get some fresh manure broken down - provided it rains in March/April as forecast. It's an ill wind . . . roger
Re: BD Brain Teasers (2)
- Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:45 PM Subject: Re: BD Brain Teasers (2) Lloyd Charles wrote: This is just a game OK? Near the dam are four black plastic 200 litre drums with push-fit lids, all were filled from the dam: No 1 was filled 10 Oct 02 when the dam was full and the water comparatively clear. (Vitality rating (VR) about 1500). No it isn't a game, Lloyd, sorry. I really am looking for answers here from the different perspectives demonstrated on this list. roger I'm not into competitions but - you have my answers as to what I would expect to find in those barrels right now 1 good clean water (could drink it) 2 weed pepper thats run out of steam and needs re potentising 3 slow brew compost tea thats gone off a bit but still usable and beneficial to the plants (because of the way it was made) 4 'off' water a bit smelly / stale (I'm not gonna drink from this barrel) I have reasons that make sense to me - based on the very limited information you provided - for these answers I have very good reasons for my opinion on the tea barrel that I think James would agree with and Elaine Ingham would not. More later if you like Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Smoke Alarm alarming
Thanks all for your responses. What's appalling is that my government, engineers, and other politicians think it's ok to simply pollute, murder, poison and dump their crap on the whole world, not to mention legislating the use of these toxic devices in all of our homes (landlords, renters etc). What's amazing is here outside of NYC, one of the excuses to keep Indian Point Nukem plant open is that it would take umpty years to get rid of the nuclear waste anyway. What's amazing is that these smoke alarm manufacturers recommend putting these devices in every room of your house. More amazing, there have been real life tests of these devices at Texas A M proving they don't even work!!! What's more amazing, is that you can barely read the warnings printed on the box and the devices about proper disposal. What's more amazing is that the powers that be around here, keep churning this crap out onto an unsuspecting public...sorry, that little nukem sign really flashed me back to duck and cover days of my childhood. Jane S. PS: to Lloyd: when I lived in Texas, I cut out a great photo of some researchers standing under a grouping of power lines, holding two fluorescent light bulbs just in their hands, and yes they were lit up. I think I saved it in my picture files. From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 22:57:12 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Smoke Alarm alarming to use up radioactive waste
FW: [globalnews] Los Alamos Runoff Has Higher Plutonium Levels
Title: FW: [globalnews] Los Alamos Runoff Has Higher Plutonium Levels SF New Mexican: State Says Los Alamos Runoff Has Highest Plutonium Levels* * http://www.sfnewmexican.com Associated Press 01/31/2003 * LOS ALAMOS, N.M. ? Elevated levels of plutonium have been detected in storm water runoff leaving Los Alamos National Laboratory property since the May 2000 Cerro Grande Fire, the state Environment Department said. * Samples collected from Pueblo Canyon after six storms in 2001 and 2002 had plutonium-239 levels of 94 picocuries per liter, about 100 times the level the lab reported between 1995 and 1999, according to a news release from the Environment Department. The Cerro Grande Fire burned in the upper Pueblo Canyon watershed and created a dramatic increase in the water runoff. That runoff accelerated erosion of contaminated areas, the department said. Plutonium-239 is a radioactive manmade element produced since the 1940s for use in nuclear weapons. If ingested or inhaled, its radioactive particles are damaging to lung tissue and internal organs, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. The state Environment Department said it has informed the Department of Energy of its concern and recommended that the agency Santa Fe New Mexican 2003
Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR...
PLEASE start another list for BD + world events. Then invite all those on the current list to subscribe if they wish. I continually read on this list laments that BD is not gaining ground. If this list is the main internet email list covering BD, I can easily see why. What I see here is that if people do innocently subscribe wanting BD info, the volume and size of emails not directly relating to BD surpasses those that are info about BD. It is really quite discourging to open ones email box after several weeks away and find it full and not accepting further emails because of the volume and size of emails that came from BD Now. Jane, I couldn't agree more that there is a relationship between BD, sprituality and the greater world. I think it would be a fine service for you to start a list to cover such. This would also allow you to be free of crap thrown your way from some here on this list. How about it Jane and Allan - would you consider starting a second list? Regards, Doug From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: to Jane Sherry Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:27:14 +1030 Thank you Jane, Last time I dared to mention that I did not understand why, in the face if Allan's stand on short emails, he allowed your seemingly endless, non original postings, he threatened to unsub me. So this time he may do just that. I do not understand why you think that an interest in BD necessarily means we are not capable of accessing our own information. I find that to be an unreasonable generalisation. I for one will enjoy the reduction of non theme traffic. Gil Jane Sherry wrote: Dear Happy Biodynamic specialists, I really do wish you luck in trying to promote/use/educate bd methods divorced from spirituality and the great big world out there! Frankly, I am tired of being the object of people's bull shit, anger, misplaced emotions or just frustration because I have this idea that bd is part of a larger whole. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
willow water?
I need to prune back some of my rose bushes (they've turned into strangler vines, not even good bloomers any more). I went to our stock tank yesterday and gathered some willow stems and made up a batch of willow water to root some of the roses. Is there any other use for this? I'm sure Ill have more than I need and I hate to toss it out. martha
power lines
Jane wrote: PS: to Lloyd: when I lived in Texas, I cut out a great photo of some researchers standing under a grouping of power lines, holding two fluorescent light bulbs just in their hands, and yes they were lit up. I think I saved it in my picture files. Jane--I'd like to know more about this, specifically what kinds of power lines generate that sort of field. Thanks, Deborah
Jane's photo
Jane, I'd love to see the photo if you can find it. (The one with the researchers under the high lines.) thanks, martha
BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
Re: Dr. Cowan, anthroposophical md.etc. Though i could not attend, i heard reports that Dr Cowan received standing ovation from about 700 Organic and a few dozen BD growers attending his keynote address at the annual Guelph organic conference 2 weeks ago. I did make it to his subsequent presentation in Toronto, and was further inspired by his simple correlations of RS observations regarding human health...ie... ... the description of the segmented human skeleton as a resonant instrument whose own integrity determines much of the status of the whole organism. Paraphrasing: If you can't eat the bugs and worms directly for the nutrient value, then pass them through the chickens firststressing the accessible Omega factor in skeletal health just as grass fed cows convert the solar to the molar. ...manfred
OT/FWD. Democracy Now:Rare interview re Depl.Uranium
.Defining indiscriminate,longterm weapons of mass destruction.? http://www.webactive.com/pacifica/demnow/dn20030130.html
Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
Manfred - Thanks for this pertinent post. Your efforts to report are appreciated. I have a 1.5 hour Tom Cowan presentation to post to the sound files when we get through this troubleshooting stage. How do we get through this troubleshooting stage, well, people, access the York file and tell me if it works for you or not and, if not, call your ISP and find out 'why' This is only going to happen if we work at it together and there's work that can be done from any seat. Thanks -Allan
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
Is there no level or no amount of S that is not "gross"? There are times that we apply 3 pounds per acre of dusting sulfur to beautiful hillside vines that have been certified organic for 15 years. Its only on occasion, not even every year. These vines produce grapes that are very high quality, composted, cover cropped, fed soil minerals, fed foliar minerals and respectedloved by those who work with them. What's is so horribly gross about this practice? These are 20-50 acre fields. Our training, pruning and manipulation of the canopy and crop during the season is a primary prevetion of PM. I seen first hand some of the drawbacks of sulfur. But there are trade offs in not using sulfur. Low rates of sulfur, used early in the season does not end up in wine, as a general rule. Bob
radioactives
At 12:03 PM 2/3/2003 -0500, Jane wrote: I just found out tonight when our smoke alarm kept beeping after changing the battery then taking it down from the ceiling, that it contains a small part with the old radioactive symbol on it and warnings about it containing radioactive material, which if needing repair should be sent to the company. Yep. Very small amounts of americium, a radioactive isotope that emits alpha particles. Alpha particles are large and get absorbed by anything they bump into, so they don't radiate very far. They last just long enough to knock some electrons off any air borne particles, hence ionizing the particles. The detector is actually detecting the increased ionization and interpreting that as smoke. The photoelectric kind look for increased turbidity or scattering in the air as evidence of smoke. The ionization ones are cheap to produce and have been widely used as a result of fire/safety codes. Ironic case of one good idea resulting in unanticipated consequences. How is it possible that such things can be manufactured for use in the home? Cause the govt has decreed that they are safe, ie) minimal risk. Just as they have selected nuclear irradiated meat for our school lunch program. Does anyone know anything about these things? Are our landfills, incinerators backyards full of these things decaying and leaking radioactivity along with all the other pollutants? yep. But along with psuedo-endocrine plasticizers, halogenated hydrocarbons, mercury, etc in the landfill, who would notice? Alan says Now we are hearing that many of the shells dropped in yugoslovia and Afghanistan were radioacitve, made of old plutonoium as others pointed out, it's actually old uranium. Plutonium is fissile, so the govt doesn't let go of it, it's too useful for weapons of mass destruction (we'll keep ours). Uranium has several isotopes, only one if directly fissile. So the govt separates the one and are left with a big pile of the other isotopes. What to do with the big pile? Some can be irradiated into plutonium, but there's much more left over. A metal twice as heavy as lead -- hey, this would make great bullets. So the military developed depleted U munitions. Great for armor piercing. Of course, the isotopes of uranium are still radioactive, just less so than the fissile one. And these bullets get vaporized when they hit and the radioactive vapor causes cancer in the lung. But, hey, that's somebody else's problem. David Robison
Re: Radionics and scientists
Higher brix in leaves of plants does provide some frost resistance. How about ice nucleating bacteria? We try to keep the ratio of legumes to grasses higher in frost prone vineyards due to the lower numbers of ice nucleating bacteria present on broad-leaved plants. Do compost teas lower or raise ice nucleating bacteria? Bob
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
Bob Not sure if this is reply to my earlier post ? it would appear it is unneccessary if our experience is anything to go by. We have grown table grapes in aplastichouse for some 5 seasons with no fungalproblems of any sort. We are now working with outside wine grapes -to achieve the same. My comments were in response to Alan Yorks comments of 'no need to extend BD prep usage'' - yet he still sprays Sulphur as a fungicide. In short he still does not have his vineyards balanced or knows his preps well enough to use them to balance the environment. This is organics with the BD preps, not biodynamics. GA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:37 AM Subject: Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts Is there no level or no amount of S that is not "gross"?There are times that we apply 3 pounds per acre of dusting sulfur to beautiful hillside vines that have been certified organic for 15 years.Its only on occasion, not even every year. These vines produce grapes that are very high quality, composted, cover cropped, fed soil minerals, fed foliar minerals and respectedloved by those who work with them. What's is so horribly gross about this practice? These are 20-50 acre fields. Our training, pruning and manipulation of the canopy and crop during the season is a primary prevetion of PM.I seen first hand some of the drawbacks of sulfur. But there are trade offs in not using sulfur. Low rates of sulfur, used early in the season does not end up in wine, as a general rule.Bob
Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
Bandwidth, bandwidth bandwidth - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:34 AM Subject: Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto Manfred - Thanks for this pertinent post. Your efforts to report are appreciated. I have a 1.5 hour Tom Cowan presentation to post to the sound files when we get through this troubleshooting stage. How do we get through this troubleshooting stage, well, people, access the York file and tell me if it works for you or not and, if not, call your ISP and find out 'why' This is only going to happen if we work at it together and there's work that can be done from any seat. Thanks -Allan
Re: Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR...
Jane How about one post with links rather than lots of individual posts. GA - Original Message - From: Doug Jay Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:56 AM Subject: Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR... PLEASE start another list for BD + world events. Then invite all those on the current list to subscribe if they wish. I continually read on this list laments that BD is not gaining ground. If this list is the main internet email list covering BD, I can easily see why. What I see here is that if people do innocently subscribe wanting BD info, the volume and size of emails not directly relating to BD surpasses those that are info about BD. It is really quite discourging to open ones email box after several weeks away and find it full and not accepting further emails because of the volume and size of emails that came from BD Now. Jane, I couldn't agree more that there is a relationship between BD, sprituality and the greater world. I think it would be a fine service for you to start a list to cover such. This would also allow you to be free of crap thrown your way from some here on this list. How about it Jane and Allan - would you consider starting a second list? Regards, Doug From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: to Jane Sherry Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:27:14 +1030 Thank you Jane, Last time I dared to mention that I did not understand why, in the face if Allan's stand on short emails, he allowed your seemingly endless, non original postings, he threatened to unsub me. So this time he may do just that. I do not understand why you think that an interest in BD necessarily means we are not capable of accessing our own information. I find that to be an unreasonable generalisation. I for one will enjoy the reduction of non theme traffic. Gil Jane Sherry wrote: Dear Happy Biodynamic specialists, I really do wish you luck in trying to promote/use/educate bd methods divorced from spirituality and the great big world out there! Frankly, I am tired of being the object of people's bull shit, anger, misplaced emotions or just frustration because I have this idea that bd is part of a larger whole. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR...
Ok, here I go. I have basically stopped forwarding GN posts to the list. Today is the first time I posted since Jan. 30 and I included an OT in the subject header which I noticed our moderator or someone else removed. Apparently they thought there might be a connection between bd radiation. The only post forwarded from GN today was about contamination in runoff water in NM. How is it that such an important piece of environmental news is not connected to biodynamics? Would it be more helpful if suggested that perhaps we, as bd practitioners, gardeners farmers could address for instance: plutonium levels in runoff in NM? How could we address their problems 'over there' which of course is my problem as well? Do you only want to hear about farmers' anecdotal experience and scientific studies? Today's post was 5 short paragraphs. How would you remediate this runoff with bd solutions, Glen, doug? Jane From: Garuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 08:49:47 +1300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR... Jane How about one post with links rather than lots of individual posts. GA
Re: radioactives
Title: Re: radioactives Thanks Dave, now I feel better! From: Dave Robison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 11:03:22 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: radioactives But, hey, that's somebody else's problem.
Re: Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR...
It wouldn't be hard at all for someone (Jane or Allan) to create a distribution list and only send those OT messages to people who actually request to be on the distribution list. It would remove it from BDNOW, and no one would have to actually start a new group with all the headaches that entails.
RE: Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR...
Dear Jane, I,too, think that You should start Your own list for people that have interest in such (eco-political)topics. As far as I know this is the ONLY list that deals with BD. Some people do not mind Your posting but some really do. And as one of those that find Your posting as maybe irrelevant to BD, or disturbing, irritated even inappropriate may ask You: - don't You think there are other ways to gather support for Your concerns than to hijack email addresses of BD list? - if someone refuses and complains again and again and You keep sending all those mails - is it violence from Your side or not? I was born in Serbia so I know everything about DU ammunition that still rottens bones of children overthere or town of 100 000 people that was adviced not to have children due to soil and water pollution after NATO bombs destroyed one of the largest petrochemical plant in ex-Yugoslavia. In that respect I appreciate very much posting from Steve Diver on phytoremediation few days ago - that will bring much needed info to people in Serbia. Being 100% lurker I have to say that effect of BD now! on me is not visible in my posting - Your postings also inspired and helped first BD books to be published in Serbian! Thanks to You all Zoran
Re: willow water?
Dear Martha, Willow water has been known to be anti-bacteria, maybe anti-viral for plants, but, nutrients additions. We make willow baskets here at our Camphill. The willow has to be soaked and the water gets quite black and even stinks after a certain soaking length. I use the water on the garden as a liquid tea. Michael. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: willow water? I need to prune back some of my rose bushes (they've turned into strangler vines, not even good bloomers any more). I went to our stock tank yesterday and gathered some willow stems and made up a batch of willow water to root some of the roses. Is there any other use for this? I'm sure Ill have more than I need and I hate to toss it out. martha
CT=BDcompost,preps+Alaska humus, forest humus kelp
Experienced BD folks, This is my year for my own BC 500 AND for 24 hr aerobic compost tea. Exactly in what proportion do you combine them? Do you stir the 500 and then put in in the CT for 24 hrs? Do you put it on separately in the ritual way? Allan's post questioned whether CT is needed if you're using BC. I'm confused. The latest posts make me wonder for an instant whether buying a Bitty-O-Later would be a good idea or not. Also a post from Ms. Berkley, possibly on the regulation committee on the NOSB standards in the Compost Tea list/serve files states that CT is considered raw manure. I thought that was not being enforced this year. Am I asking this on the wrong list/serve or can someone answer? I don't want to have my OG certification denied. So much potential--so much confusion! Merla
Re: Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR...
I'll be happy to forward relevant posts to you Martha if you are volunteering. Let me know Martha. Thanks for the idea. Jane From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:22:07 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR... It wouldn't be hard at all for someone (Jane or Allan) to create a distribution list and only send those OT messages to people who actually request to be on the distribution list. It would remove it from BDNOW, and no one would have to actually start a new group with all the headaches that entails.
global News posts/Jane
Dear Jane, Perhaps you could ask the list participants who would like to have your posts sent to them. Create a group email and just send it to those who are interested. Michael
Re: power lines
Hi! Jane/ Deborah With large, high voltage, transmission lines, much of the energy actual travels outside the conductor. This is why if you get too close, it will arc across and zap you. I can tell you of well earthed (grounded) humans vaporizing when high voltage power has arc across several feet of air space. Beyond this distance there is an electrical potential that will not arc across the space, but that will have a marked effect. This can extend to ground level and an electrical engineer friend told me of ranchers in some of the prairie states, intentionally building houses directly under the interstate transmission lines and building an induction coil in the roof space and picking up an useful amount of electricity and running the house hold. He said that the power companies tried to stop this practise, but it is said the court told them to contain their electricity. Going further afiald, there is radiation from the transmission lines that can he detected up to several kilometres away. There is increased occurrences of Cancer and related diseases for about one point eight kilometres each side of the very large transmission lines. You will have most likely noticed distortion or disruption to you car radio when driving near these lines. Power Transformers, even the ones used in residential streets and mounted on the poles in the street, have problems. People who have one of these directly between their antenna and the local TV or Radio transmitter, may have to relocate their antenna, to get best reception. Houses close to these tend to have more cancer cases than average in the street. (This is for long term residents, living in the same house.) Gil. Deborah Byron wrote: Jane wrote: PS: to Lloyd: when I lived in Texas, I cut out a great photo of some researchers standing under a grouping of power lines, holding two fluorescent light bulbs just in their hands, and yes they were lit up. I think I saved it in my picture files. Jane--I'd like to know more about this, specifically what kinds of power lines generate that sort of field. Thanks, Deborah
Phytoremediation resources
Zoran from Serbia mentioned a phytoremediation post. Fyi, just in case BD-Now readers want access to that information, it was posted to the Permaculture List. It is here at this link: [permaculture] Re: phytoremediation 28 January 2003 http://csf.colorado.edu/archive/2003/permaculture/msg00082.html It points to a bunch of good web-based resources on phytoremediation, for example, EPA manuals and guidelines. Phytoremediation is an interesting topic. It covers everything from wetland plants as biofilters in constructed wetlands and riparian buffer strips, to phytoaccumulators that take up heavy metals on mine spoils and industrial brown fields. Biodynamic farmers and gardeners -- like permaculturalists -- usually keep track of the many uses of plants, including their dynamic aspects and uses: *companion plants *dynamic accumulators of minerals *plants for energetic systems like ayurveda *plant-based extracts to promote plant growth and pest control *phytoremediation plants and their uses Extra note: Allan Balliett hosted Rufus Chaney from USDA-ARS at the Mid-Atlantic BD Conference a few years ago, to talk about phytoremediation of heavy metals on mine spoils and the use of composts as soil amendments to ameliorate disturbed soils and help re-establish vegetation. To access his materials, view his website or do some Googling: Rufus L Chaney USDA-ARS http://www.nps.ars.usda.gov/people/people.htm?personid=949 Serbia and so many other countries can benefit from the earth healing philosophies and practices of Biodynamics and Permaculture. Peaceful wishes, Steve Diver
global News posts/Jane
Keep the posts coming Jane. Its tough medicine to swallow but nothing like what's soon to come to the common people of Iraq, I'm afraid. Question is, who's next? Does anyone you really think this administration/coalition is going to stop there? Let's have the courage to at least face what's about to happen--in our names. Deborah
Re: BD News/Dr.Thomas Cowan/Guelph/Toronto
The man from Garuda said: Bandwidth, bandwidth bandwidth Does this mean something to you? It doesn't mean anything to me. What are you talking about? (I'm asking in earnest) Thanks -Allan
Re: Jane Allan - PLEASE START ANOTHER LIST FOR...
Ok, here I go. I have basically stopped forwarding GN posts to the list. Today is the first time I posted since Jan. 30 and I included an OT in the subject header which I noticed our moderator or someone else removed. Just for the record, Jane, the moderator does not touch to subject of messages he posts unless he is asked to forward at which time he may modify the subject to make who sent it clearer. I hope you find this helpful
Re: Omega 3s (was Electron Resonance)
Re: From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Omega3s Don't forget, folks, that the reason American's lack Omega 3s in their diets is that animals who do not eat diets of grains in the state of Nature do not produce Omega 3s in confinement agriculture. Animals raised in sunshine, on healthy grass and with access to their natural diet (like bugs for chickens and fish!) produce products that contain Omega3s for humans. (We apparently externalized our Omega3 production, preferring to glean it from the food chain...oop!) Check out the www.eatwild.com pages for more technical info, or attend PASA this year where there will be plenty of talk about how pasture-raised livestock provides for human health requirements. -Allan Balliett recovering vegetarian Hi, Allan, I, too, am a recovering vegetarian!:) (esp. if/when I'm lucky enough to get BD-/pasture-raised beef). Your point about Omega 3s as the result of sunshine and healthy grass (which of course also requires sunshine) reminded me of this quote from one of the Dr. Budwig sites I sent excerpts of to Warren Zevon, where *sun* -- as the original birthplace of the *electrons* in seed oils (!) -- is prominently featured: http://lightsv.org/bud1.htm ... Dr. Budwig worked with many patients who were terminally ill and some who had only hours to live. She gave them the combination of oil-protein plus organic foods, plus exercise, fresh air and used the healing powers of the sun to cure these hopeless cases who sometimes started to show improvement within days. Following is a quote from one of her books: I often take very sick cancer patients away from hospital where they are said to have only a few days left to live, or perhaps only a few hours. This is mostly accompanied by very good results. The very first thing which these patients and their families tell me is that, in the hospital, it was said that they could no longer urinate or produce bowel movements. They suffered from dry coughing without being able to bring up any mucous. Everything was blocked. It greatly encourages them when suddenly, in all these symptoms, the surface-active fats, with their wealth of electrons, start reactivating the vital functions and the patient immediately begins to feel better. It is very interesting to ask how this sudden change is possible. It has to do with the reaction patterns, with the character of electrons. I will return to these electrons later. In the last two years, I have come to be very fond of them. A friend of my work in Paris, wrote to me how wonderful it is that you have discovered the original birthplace of the electrons in seed oils to be the sun. That's how these connections are made! [snip] Thank you for the eatwild.com url. take care, -Lily
Jane 's information
Jane Sherry has agreed to try something a little different. I'm setting up a distribution list, and everyone who wants to get the forwarded messages from Jane, will now come from me. This will eliminate some of the off topic posts to BDNOW group itself. I'll need to set up a list of emails, so anyone who would like to receive these GlobalNews, and New York Times, and other information pieces needs to let me know off list. This isn't another email group, it's simply a distribution list of email addresses I can access at one time, once Jane forwards any pertinent messages to myself. I'm not sure how it'll be if someone wants to respond or comment on a particular post. You may have to just send your comments to myself and I'll have to bundle them into the dist. group's messages. There'll be a few kinks to work out, like, when I 'forward' jane's messages, I suppose the usual will be on each line so it'll be much more awkward than when Jane was sending to the group. We'll all have to just see how this works. I've used distribution groups before, but it was at a jobsite and using another email platform, and I can't recall all the technicalities offhand. But I bet I figure it out. thanks, martha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: global News posts/Jane
That's right, Deborah. Iraq is only the 2nd one. After that, maybe Iran, etc. US wants total control over the oil reserves in the Middle East. Iraq is first in line in that region due to being easiest to conquer. In our local paper, they reported exactly how they are going about it. Hitler's Blitzkrieg would be a picnic in comparison. Main thing is to secure the oil fields before they get blown up by the Iraqis, and NOT because they fear an environmental disaster. Human disaster doesn't even figure into their equation. Michael - Original Message - From: Deborah Byron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:42 PM Subject: global News posts/Jane Keep the posts coming Jane. Its tough medicine to swallow but nothing like what's soon to come to the common people of Iraq, I'm afraid. Question is, who's next? Does anyone you really think this administration/coalition is going to stop there? Let's have the courage to at least face what's about to happen--in our names. Deborah
Re: Jane 's information
Hi Martha, I would like to be on the distribution list with my private email address, which is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Christiane Christiane Jaeger
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
GA, it is interesting what you have...what variety of table grapes do you raise? Bob
