Re: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour
You can easily too "organic" and not hold nutriants or moisture. A small amount of clay may help. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: send me your "albrecht" soil testsand quite a bit of interesting talk can be had, but the report can not tell you much about soil stucture.
Re: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour
dry peat heads in the right direction in this case. Soils formed in ash, especially in sub tropics, have the clay species Allophane as the majority of the colloids in the soil. The Allophae along with SOM has worked out this sort of extreme aggregation and has actually hardened the aggregates to the point of removal of the nutrients from plant availability. The lab technique for measurment of "humus" breaks the aggregates and measures the surface area and minerals. But in the field, the minerals and surface areas is reduced due to the extreme nature of the aggregates. In these types of soils, it is even more important to add high quality and organic matter and to protect the soil surface from baking. Compaction from farming can skew the apparent "good numbers" on soil analysis. Yes, p in some clay species and sulfur especially in high rainfall.
RE: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour--fish
Lloyd-- Did you ever figure out how to utilize your brother's fish? Bob Posthuma of GeoFish is planning to be in Australia this month, I think he said with Elaine I. He is the person who got our local fishery going with a fertilizer-fish operation. He was formerly with Dramm, had a bad car accident, and then was faced with an opportunity to start his own consulting business. Here is his contact info-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Dorothy __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour--fish
- Original Message - From: Dorothy O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:29 AM Subject: RE: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour--fish Lloyd-- Did you ever figure out how to utilize your brother's fish? Hi Dorothy. Good to hear from you. The fish thing has gone on hold, my brother has managed to get whole fish markets for most of what he produces, and most of that is going out as live fish to the Asian restaraunt trade, so my source of fish remains has kinda dried up at the source. Dont know whether I am on the right track but I see freshwater fish as a inferior product (to use for crop nutrition) due to the fact that ocean fish have in the sea water a more full spectrum of minerals. Thats no excuse for not making use of a resource if its available! Anyway I am keeping watch on my brother in case the marketing thing changes again. I will pass Bob's info along , my brother may be interested in seeing him and everyone in agriculture should see Elaine's seminar at least once. Thanks and take care. Lloyd Charles
Re: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 5:33 AM Subject: Re: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour send me your albrecht soil testsand quite a bit of interesting talk can be had, but the report can not tell you much about soil stucture. Your right -Two cents from downunder - I reckon structure has much more to do with live critters than chemistry - also believe that our soil amendment programs should be focussed on encouraging beneficial soil life to the maximum rather than on 'correcting' soil chemistry Even with excellent calcium and magnesiumI often find soils with very poor structure. Have taken thousands of soil samples...my self, and watched the correlation between crops performance and the analysis. How good is that correlation? do you see the difficult to explain results? ie: good crops on out of balance soils and poor performances on occasions from some of the perfect paddocks? Here is a riddle for you...I have soils with 9-15% humus as listed by perrry ag lab/Kinsey, yet (some) of these soils are infertile. Why? plenty of choices here: #humus contains large percentage of 'raw' material going through active decomposition = temporary tieup of nutrients specially trace elements #the large amount of humus and extra soil water has diluted the nutrient level - traces again #where did the 'humus' come from originally , you could have all sorts of im balances , wood chips, straw, (high potassium) , feedlot manure -high in potassium and sodium salts. many possibilities. lets hear some more Cheers Lloyd Charles
RE: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour
Title: Message I think toomuch humus ties up the fertility; those nutrient ions. Regards TaChung Huang (¶À¤j©¾) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:33 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ "Three-Up Tour"send me your "albrecht" soil testsand quite a bit of interesting talk can be had, but the report can not tell you much about soil stucture.Even with excellent calcium and magnesiumI often find soils with very poor structure. Have taken thousands of soil samples...my self, and watched the correlation between crops performance and the analysis.Here is a riddle for you...I have soils with 9-15% "humus" as listed by perrry ag lab/Kinsey, yet (some) of these soils are "infertile". Why?
Re: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour
send me your "albrecht" soil testsand quite a bit of interesting talk can be had, but the report can not tell you much about soil stucture. Even with excellent calcium and magnesiumI often find soils with very poor structure. Have taken thousands of soil samples...my self, and watched the correlation between crops performance and the analysis. Here is a riddle for you...I have soils with 9-15% "humus" as listed by perrry ag lab/Kinsey, yet (some) of these soils are "infertile". Why?
Re: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour
Allan, I would like to seeyour soil tests. Please forward. James - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:50 AM Subject: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour You folks in Australia and New Zealand will not want to miss Graeme Sait and Nutri-Tech's awesome late March/Early April eductional tour. Gary Zimmer, one of the US' foremost biological farming teachers, and Jerry Brunetti, Americas foremost 'health of the soil = the health of the herd (and nation!)' teachers, as well as brilliant Graeme Sait himself will be speaking at several locations. More info at the nutri-tech pages, I'm sure, or email me off-line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll email you the killer .pdf file. http://www.nutri-tech.com.au Anyone downunder interested in getting a jump start on the Albrecht method, grab your soil tests and head to this great event! -Allan Anyone interested in seeing the Albrecht-oriented soil tests from my new garden, also drop me a line and I'll email them to you
Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour
You folks in Australia and New Zealand will not want to miss Graeme Sait and Nutri-Tech's awesome late March/Early April eductional tour. Gary Zimmer, one of the US' foremost biological farming teachers, and Jerry Brunetti, Americas foremost 'health of the soil = the health of the herd (and nation!)' teachers, as well as brilliant Graeme Sait himself will be speaking at several locations. More info at the nutri-tech pages, I'm sure, or email me off-line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll email you the killer .pdf file. http://www.nutri-tech.com.au Anyone downunder interested in getting a jump start on the Albrecht method, grab your soil tests and head to this great event! -Allan Anyone interested in seeing the Albrecht-oriented soil tests from my new garden, also drop me a line and I'll email them to you
