Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
I just read Hugh Lovell's words on Prep 500 and 501 effects. It was way over my head since I can only understand what is going on with the plants on a intuitive basis. I want to do a sequential spraying on 3 1/2 acres of our land, the part that is not wooded, but fenced and in agricultural usage. I feel O.K. about BC, 500, 508, but really question the use of 501. It's really confusing to read Hugh's references to horn clay because Hugh Courtney doesn't include it in the sequence. Should I order some horn clay? If I do, when do I spray it? We have glacial till soil with wind blown laos from Washington grain fields. This year food plants have been slow because we had a wet, cold spring, but the native grass already is showing its seedheads, though they aren't mature yet. Our first large German iris will bloom today or tomorrow. Everything is going on as it should be. It's a beautiful time because there is so much moisture in the soil. There's always a big differential between day and night temperature. In a month, we will be in drought and we'll be trying to ease the plants with compost tea since we don't have enough water. We don't have ANY trouble with things going to seed except tomatoes, peppers and eggplants must be in cold frames because the night temperatures slow the fruiting process too much. On the other hand, the lettuces and brassicas will show their flowers too soon. We are located on a wild meadow--with our garden beds and orchard surrounded by wild grasses and broadleaf plants--red clover, St. John's wort, wild rose, snowberry, serviceberry, ceonosis (sp.), bracken fern, etc., in different areas. My garden weeds this year are allheal, catnip, clary sage, hollyhock, parsley, clover, plantain, wild sorrel, chickweed, red and green orach which we eat in salads. I want to do a sequential spray over the whole 3 1/2 acre meadow including cultivated and wild plants. Hugh C. suggested that I do it in leaf to stimulate water influences and I'm thinking about June 20-21. I don't do the whole 25 acres because it would be hard to spray in the trees and underbrush. Should I be doing that too? What am I doing when I do a sequential spray sequence? Can someone explain it to me the way Hugh Lovell is explaining in his post on 500 and 501, but in not quite so difficult a conceptual framework? Best, Merla ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
In a message dated 6/5/03 4:05:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What am I doing when I do a sequential spray sequence? Can someone explain it to me the way Hugh Lovell is explaining in his post on 500 and 501, but in not quite so difficult a conceptual framewor Hi Merla, spray the 501 in the sequence as Courtney reccommends. It would be fine to add the horn clay remedy to the mix, I would get some and add to 500, bc, and 501. You do not need to separate. It is fine to spray in the woods or on the edge. What you are doing with a sequential spray is to organize the energy of earth and atmosphere to moderate forces involved with weather formation and the formation of due. This works strongly through the realm of the elementals...sstorch ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
Lloyd Thank you for this wonderful picture of your experience. How do you place your preps in your broadcaster? You mention you use 500-508 plus the clays. How do you place these? and how often do you move them around? Glen A - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:46 AM Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Dear Merla I am unable to explain any of this but can offer a few comments/observations * the BD farmers in Australia who have encountered problems after a period of what looked like successful practice are mostly from the Alex Podolinsky group and have been mostly not using 501 or very little of it and certainly not in concert with 500 - and for sure no horn clay. I'm not challenging AP's knowledge but the message has not been filtering through to the other end of the pipeline. * these farms have suffered flat battery syndrome somewhere between 7 and 15 years. * The new organisation of Biodynamic agriculture that I belong to (Cheryl Kemp writes here sometimes) is promoting the spraying of 500 and 501 in back to back applications - 500 at evening and then 501 next morning over the same area, farmers that have done this so far are talking very nice results and more important have experienced none of the supposed ill effects from using 501 in what is a very warm and high light environment, they have NOT burned up their hay crop or had premature fruiting or all of the other things that worries people about using 501. * when we started using our broadcaster (three seasons ago ) I didnt have access to horn clay for some months and yes we got results (visible) but it was as if things were haphazard - the whole place went into rampant flowering in late spring / early summer - perennial weeds, the native plants, our home garden , everything just blazed into bloom. The look of it was as if we were shunting things one way then the other. * After about four months I got Rae cards that included the horn clays and made up a new set of reagents and I have always used horn clay since that time. In the broadcasters I use the full suite of preps 500 through to 508 plus horn clays. * I guess the best description I have is if you came to a furiously boiling pot and turned it down to a gentle simmer, we dont see as much happening (things are much more subtle), but I also think its much more stable and balanced. * its human nature that we look for a quick result, or a dramatic change, but I do think that a slow gentle shifting of the balance point is a lot more beneficial in the long run. Just a few thoughts from down under Cheers Lloyd Charles I just read Hugh Lovell's words on Prep 500 and 501 effects. It was way over my head since I can only understand what is going on with the plants on a intuitive basis. I want to do a sequential spraying on 3 1/2 acres of our land, the part that is not wooded, but fenced and in agricultural usage. I feel O.K. about BC, 500, 508, but really question the use of 501. It's really confusing to read Hugh's references to horn clay because Hugh Courtney doesn't include it in the sequence. Internal politics maybe? Should I order some horn clay? If I do, when do I spray it? We have glacial till soil with wind blown laos from Washington grain fields. Hugh C. suggested that I do it in leaf to stimulate water influences and I'm thinking about June 20-21. I don't do the whole 25 acres because it would be hard to spray in the trees and underbrush. Should I be doing that too? What am I doing when I do a sequential spray sequence? Can someone explain it to me the way Hugh Lovell is explaining in his post on 500 and 501, but in not quite so difficult a conceptual framework? Best, Merla ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Lloyd Thank you for this wonderful picture of your experience. How do you place your preps in your broadcaster? You mention you use 500-508 plus the clays. How do you place these? and how often do you move them around? Glen A Hello Glen I follow Hugh Lovel's lead as far as what goes in what well I guess you mean actual arrangement of the preps in the wells ? My broadcasters are built with 45 degree junctions for the wells - I potentise into liquid - alcohol and water - and the angled wells prevents problems with leakages I had to think about this for a bit - I dont really have a strict system but then I do kind of . The 500 and 501 always go in first so they lay on the bottom centre of the well jar (bottom and top wells of course) Always put the horn clay next to the primary preps (on the right) I usually have a vial of fresh rain water in and it will be on the left the remainder go around to the right in number order - gravity being what it is we end up with a circular cluster thats a rough circle anti clockwise. This probably does not matter at all, if we go with the wave theory or frequencies (however you like to put it) then each different prep will have its own specific frequency (s) which should be picked up and transmitted equally, regardless of where it is inside. Still I'd rather stick to a pattern, I think if we develop these little rituals it adds to the effect, just through reinforcing intent if nothing else. My map with written intent goes in before the reagents and lays around against the glass in a circle. I make sure that nothing ever is flat in the bottom of the jars. We all have different ideas - when I treat with peppers for weeds or other problems - its usually a short sharp blast - I take the normal preps out and just put the pepper in for say 36 hours ( I dowse for this) and will probably have four or five different potencies in. Why ? I guess I'm trying to get at the different layers of the problem. A MM potency is operating in a different way to D ? Some would see this as a shotgun approach - sometimes a shotgun is easier to hit with. Sorry that this is disjointed, I have been on the tractor this evening and rushed it a bit. cheers Lloyd Charles - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:46 AM Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Dear Merla I am unable to explain any of this but can offer a few comments/observations * the BD farmers in Australia who have encountered problems after a period of what looked like successful practice are mostly from the Alex Podolinsky group and have been mostly not using 501 or very little of it and certainly not in concert with 500 - and for sure no horn clay. I'm not challenging AP's knowledge but the message has not been filtering through to the other end of the pipeline. * these farms have suffered flat battery syndrome somewhere between 7 and 15 years. * The new organisation of Biodynamic agriculture that I belong to (Cheryl Kemp writes here sometimes) is promoting the spraying of 500 and 501 in back to back applications - 500 at evening and then 501 next morning over the same area, farmers that have done this so far are talking very nice results and more important have experienced none of the supposed ill effects from using 501 in what is a very warm and high light environment, they have NOT burned up their hay crop or had premature fruiting or all of the other things that worries people about using 501. * when we started using our broadcaster (three seasons ago ) I didnt hav e access to horn clay for some months and yes we got results (visible) but it was as if things were haphazard - the whole place went into rampant flowering in late spring / early summer - perennial weeds, the native plants, our home garden , everything just blazed into bloom. The look of it was as if we were shunting things one way then the other. * After about four months I got Rae cards that included the horn clays and made up a new set of reagents and I have always used horn clay since that time. In the broadcasters I use the full suite of preps 500 through to 508 plus horn clays. * I guess the best description I have is if you came to a furiously boiling pot and turned it down to a gentle simmer, we dont see as much happening (things are much more subtle), but I also think its much more stable and balanced. * its human nature that we look for a quick result, or a dramatic change, but I do think that a slow gentle shifting of the balance point is a lot more beneficial in the long run. Just a few thoughts from
Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying You mention you use 500-508 plus the clays. How do you place these? and how often do you move them around? Forgot that bit ! I would disturb my preps in the broadcaster for some reason or other about monthly - take em out - add something - etc and I'd make sure to give them a shake and clean the vials off . change preps a couple of times a year, (new set - some potencies will change , some stay the same) ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Dear Merla I am unable to explain any of this but can offer a few comments/observations * the BD farmers in Australia who have encountered problems after a period of what looked like successful practice are mostly from the Alex Podolinsky group and have been mostly not using 501 or very little of it and certainly not in concert with 500 - and for sure no horn clay. I'm not challenging AP's knowledge but the message has not been filtering through to the other end of the pipeline. * these farms have suffered flat battery syndrome somewhere between 7 and 15 years. * The new organisation of Biodynamic agriculture that I belong to (Cheryl Kemp writes here sometimes) is promoting the spraying of 500 and 501 in back to back applications - 500 at evening and then 501 next morning over the same area, farmers that have done this so far are talking very nice results and more important have experienced none of the supposed ill effects from using 501 in what is a very warm and high light environment, they have NOT burned up their hay crop or had premature fruiting or all of the other things that worries people about using 501. * when we started using our broadcaster (three seasons ago ) I didnt have access to horn clay for some months and yes we got results (visible) but it was as if things were haphazard - the whole place went into rampant flowering in late spring / early summer - perennial weeds, the native plants, our home garden , everything just blazed into bloom. The look of it was as if we were shunting things one way then the other. * After about four months I got Rae cards that included the horn clays and made up a new set of reagents and I have always used horn clay since that time. In the broadcasters I use the full suite of preps 500 through to 508 plus horn clays. * I guess the best description I have is if you came to a furiously boiling pot and turned it down to a gentle simmer, we dont see as much happening (things are much more subtle), but I also think its much more stable and balanced. * its human nature that we look for a quick result, or a dramatic change, but I do think that a slow gentle shifting of the balance point is a lot more beneficial in the long run. Just a few thoughts from down under Cheers Lloyd Charles I just read Hugh Lovell's words on Prep 500 and 501 effects. It was way over my head since I can only understand what is going on with the plants on a intuitive basis. I want to do a sequential spraying on 3 1/2 acres of our land, the part that is not wooded, but fenced and in agricultural usage. I feel O.K. about BC, 500, 508, but really question the use of 501. It's really confusing to read Hugh's references to horn clay because Hugh Courtney doesn't include it in the sequence. Internal politics maybe? Should I order some horn clay? If I do, when do I spray it? We have glacial till soil with wind blown laos from Washington grain fields. Hugh C. suggested that I do it in leaf to stimulate water influences and I'm thinking about June 20-21. I don't do the whole 25 acres because it would be hard to spray in the trees and underbrush. Should I be doing that too? What am I doing when I do a sequential spray sequence? Can someone explain it to me the way Hugh Lovell is explaining in his post on 500 and 501, but in not quite so difficult a conceptual framework? Best, Merla ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
