Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[acheesehead]

FYI...my contact at Octavo informed me today that the industrial version of 
the cSIP currently has a lead time of 6 weeks. They are flying off the 
shelves.

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 4:40:14 PM UTC-7 d...@kulp.com wrote:

>
>
> On Jan 30, 2021, at 10:36 PM, Richard Sewell  wrote:
>
> Thanks Daniel, (cool site btw!) I have headers exactly the same on my 
> prototype board set up. Do you have any automation for soldering the female 
> headers or do you hand solder them? Someone has made an automatic header 
> soldering machine which is interesting, but quite a project 
> https://hackaday.com/2015/05/05/open-source-diy-soldering-robot/ . I have 
> also heard of 'pin in paste' headers,  which would require some kind of 
> reflow process only on the edge of the board. I'm trying to avoid as many 
> manual assembly processes as possible. 
>
>
> I’ve gone two different directions with this..
>
> When volume was lower, I actually paid my 13yo son to solder them.  He 
> wanted to save up for a new composite Baseball Bat so I paid him $3 for 
> each one that he soldered.   At one point, he got good enough to do about 8 
> an hour (I can do about 9/10) so he made out pretty well.However, you 
> could use this idea and maybe find a couple enterprising high school 
> students or something that would like a socially distant work from home job 
> that could be just a couple hours a day.   Give them $3 or $4 each and 
> they’d make out really well once they got good at it.  (Assuming they have 
> the soldering station or you could loan them one or something)
>
> With higher volume, I’m just having the cape manufacturer do it.   They 
> are more than happy to solder headers on and mount them onto the capes.   
> The trick here is getting them to the board manufacturer since the PB’s 
> aren’t available everywhere or is very expensive in some locations.  Thus, 
> it kind of depends on where you have your boards made.   I’ve had bunches 
> of PB’s shipped to me, I’ve ripped them out of the retail packaging (to 
> save weight/space) and then shipped them off to manufacture.   Anyway, talk 
> to your board manufacturer. 
>
> -- 
> Daniel Kulp
> d...@kulp.com - http://dankulp.com/blog 
>
>

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Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[Daniel Kulp]

> On Jan 30, 2021, at 10:36 PM, Richard Sewell  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Daniel, (cool site btw!) I have headers exactly the same on my 
> prototype board set up. Do you have any automation for soldering the female 
> headers or do you hand solder them? Someone has made an automatic header 
> soldering machine which is interesting, but quite a project 
> https://hackaday.com/2015/05/05/open-source-diy-soldering-robot/ 
>  . I have 
> also heard of 'pin in paste' headers,  which would require some kind of 
> reflow process only on the edge of the board. I'm trying to avoid as many 
> manual assembly processes as possible. 

I’ve gone two different directions with this..

When volume was lower, I actually paid my 13yo son to solder them.  He wanted 
to save up for a new composite Baseball Bat so I paid him $3 for each one that 
he soldered.   At one point, he got good enough to do about 8 an hour (I can do 
about 9/10) so he made out pretty well.However, you could use this idea and 
maybe find a couple enterprising high school students or something that would 
like a socially distant work from home job that could be just a couple hours a 
day.   Give them $3 or $4 each and they’d make out really well once they got 
good at it.  (Assuming they have the soldering station or you could loan them 
one or something)

With higher volume, I’m just having the cape manufacturer do it.   They are 
more than happy to solder headers on and mount them onto the capes.   The trick 
here is getting them to the board manufacturer since the PB’s aren’t available 
everywhere or is very expensive in some locations.  Thus, it kind of depends on 
where you have your boards made.   I’ve had bunches of PB’s shipped to me, I’ve 
ripped them out of the retail packaging (to save weight/space) and then shipped 
them off to manufacture.   Anyway, talk to your board manufacturer. 

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RE: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[David Dennis]

What about taking one step further back and integrating the TI AM3358 into your 
product?
I have doubts this solves the problem either however.   I think you can’t buy 
the processor and PMIC and LDO and DDR3 for less than this $25.00 price tag.

Its always a scaling issue.   The small developer cannot afford the gamble that 
his product will be successful enough to justify the outlay of the volume 
needed to get the initial price low.

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On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 9:47:08 AM UTC-5 richard wrote:
I'm prototyping on a pocketbeagle, but how to scale up for production or ~1000 
units is unclear. I can buy pocketbeagle retail for $25, but the Octavia SIP 
lists on Digikey at $36 and I have to but 500 parts to get that price . So it 
seems like integrating a pocketbeagle into my product would be easier and more 
cost effective. The only bit I don't know is how to solder down a pocketbeagle 
onto a larger board with automation, any ideas

I ended up with the same conclusion of just using the PocketBeagle.   My 
"capes" have the male pinheaders on them and we solder female headers on the 
underside of the PB.

https://kulplights.com/product/k8-pb/
https://kulplights.com/product/k40d-pb/
https://kulplights.com/product/pocketscroller/
https://kulplights.com/product/k4-pb/

They all use the same "PocketBeagle with headers".




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Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[Robert Heller]

At Sat, 30 Jan 2021 19:36:58 -0800 (PST) beagleboard@googlegroups.com wrote:

> 
> Thanks Daniel, (cool site btw!) I have headers exactly the same on my 
> prototype board set up. Do you have any automation for soldering the female 
> headers or do you hand solder them? Someone has made an automatic header 
> soldering machine which is interesting, but quite a project 
> https://hackaday.com/2015/05/05/open-source-diy-soldering-robot/ . I have 
> also heard of 'pin in paste' headers,  which would require some kind of 
> reflow process only on the edge of the board. I'm trying to avoid as many 
> manual assembly processes as possible. 

It is possible to get SMD versions of the headers (they might have locating
pins). The PB itself has to have through hole headers and would have be hand
soldered in any case, but there are options for your cape/base board to be all 
SMD parts, machine placed and reflow soldered, with no manual soldering.

> 
> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:07:18 PM UTC-8 d...@kulp.com wrote:
> 
> > On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 9:47:08 AM UTC-5 richard wrote:
> >
> >> I'm prototyping on a pocketbeagle, but how to scale up for production or 
> >> ~1000 units is unclear. I can buy pocketbeagle retail for $25, but the 
> >> Octavia SIP lists on Digikey at $36 and I have to but 500 parts to get 
> >> that 
> >> price . So it seems like integrating a pocketbeagle into my product would 
> >> be easier and more cost effective. The only bit I don't know is how to 
> >> solder down a pocketbeagle onto a larger board with automation, any ideas
> >
> >
> > I ended up with the same conclusion of just using the PocketBeagle.   My 
> > "capes" have the male pinheaders on them and we solder female headers on 
> > the underside of the PB.  
> >
> > https://kulplights.com/product/k8-pb/
> > https://kulplights.com/product/k40d-pb/
> > https://kulplights.com/product/pocketscroller/
> > https://kulplights.com/product/k4-pb/
> >
> > They all use the same "PocketBeagle with headers".
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 

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Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[Richard Sewell]

Thanks Daniel, (cool site btw!) I have headers exactly the same on my 
prototype board set up. Do you have any automation for soldering the female 
headers or do you hand solder them? Someone has made an automatic header 
soldering machine which is interesting, but quite a project 
https://hackaday.com/2015/05/05/open-source-diy-soldering-robot/ . I have 
also heard of 'pin in paste' headers,  which would require some kind of 
reflow process only on the edge of the board. I'm trying to avoid as many 
manual assembly processes as possible. 

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:07:18 PM UTC-8 d...@kulp.com wrote:

> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 9:47:08 AM UTC-5 richard wrote:
>
>> I'm prototyping on a pocketbeagle, but how to scale up for production or 
>> ~1000 units is unclear. I can buy pocketbeagle retail for $25, but the 
>> Octavia SIP lists on Digikey at $36 and I have to but 500 parts to get that 
>> price . So it seems like integrating a pocketbeagle into my product would 
>> be easier and more cost effective. The only bit I don't know is how to 
>> solder down a pocketbeagle onto a larger board with automation, any ideas
>
>
> I ended up with the same conclusion of just using the PocketBeagle.   My 
> "capes" have the male pinheaders on them and we solder female headers on 
> the underside of the PB.  
>
> https://kulplights.com/product/k8-pb/
> https://kulplights.com/product/k40d-pb/
> https://kulplights.com/product/pocketscroller/
> https://kulplights.com/product/k4-pb/
>
> They all use the same "PocketBeagle with headers".
>
>
>
>  
>

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Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[Daniel Kulp]

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 9:47:08 AM UTC-5 richard wrote:

> I'm prototyping on a pocketbeagle, but how to scale up for production or 
> ~1000 units is unclear. I can buy pocketbeagle retail for $25, but the 
> Octavia SIP lists on Digikey at $36 and I have to but 500 parts to get that 
> price . So it seems like integrating a pocketbeagle into my product would 
> be easier and more cost effective. The only bit I don't know is how to 
> solder down a pocketbeagle onto a larger board with automation, any ideas


I ended up with the same conclusion of just using the PocketBeagle.   My 
"capes" have the male pinheaders on them and we solder female headers on 
the underside of the PB.  

https://kulplights.com/product/k8-pb/
https://kulplights.com/product/k40d-pb/
https://kulplights.com/product/pocketscroller/
https://kulplights.com/product/k4-pb/

They all use the same "PocketBeagle with headers".



 

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Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[Robert Heller]

At Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:05:31 -0800 (PST) beagleboard@googlegroups.com wrote:

> 
> I'm prototyping on a pocketbeagle, but how to scale up for production or 
> ~1000 units is unclear. I can buy pocketbeagle retail for $25, but the 
> Octavia SIP lists on Digikey at $36 and I have to but 500 parts to get that 
> price . So it seems like integrating a pocketbeagle into my product would 
> be easier and more cost effective. The only bit I don't know is how to 
> solder down a pocketbeagle onto a larger board with automation, any ideas?

I have soldered male headers (pins) on the bottom of a PocketBeagle and
installed female headers (sockets) on the "base board". The PocketBeagle is
not soldered to the base board, but is mounted in a pair of sockets.

Have a look at the pictures here:

https://www.pcbway.com/project/shareproject/Pocket_Beagle_Quad_StallMotor_w_Sense_base_board__includes_LCC_CAN_and_power_supply.html

And the design on GitHub:

https://github.com/RobertPHeller/RPi-RRCircuits/tree/master/PocketBeagleQuadSMCSense



> 
> -R
> 
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 7:06:58 AM UTC-8 adrian@holtkamp.de 
> wrote:
> 
> > Maybe you can't buy a ready build board, but Octavio offers design files 
> > for the Red with the C-SIP version of OSD335x ->link 
> > 
> >
> > acheesehead schrieb am Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2021 um 15:42:56 UTC+1:
> >
> >> The board is loosely based upon the Red board. Added a second Ethernet. 
> >> The Red is a good starting point. I have a Red that we used to evaluate. I 
> >> also have a Blue. Not a bad board, but uses funky connectors. I do not 
> >> know 
> >> of a dev board based upon the cSIP.
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 7:38:24 AM UTC-7 acheesehead wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sorry. Can't share our design. Proprietary. No thermal issues as of yet, 
> >>> but we are not running intensive software. I do plan on inspecting using 
> >>> a 
> >>> thermal camera in real time sometime soon.
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:56:29 PM UTC-7 frank@me.com wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi
> 
>  Are you able to share the high level design of the board. How do you 
>  deal with the heat issue
> 
>  Cheers
> 
>  frank
> 
>  On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 1:47:39 AM UTC+11 acheesehead wrote:
> 
> > We have designed a board based upon the Octavo Systems cSIP, which is 
> > a step beyond the SIP. They added eMMC, EEPROM and a MEMS oscillator. 
> > Many 
> > layout issues go away using their solution. I have worked extensively 
> > with 
> > the Octavo folks. Very nice people. What I understand is that the 
> > company 
> > was founded by ex-TI people. They provide free design review services 
> > that 
> > uncovered problems with our design. They say they will manage 
> > obsolescence 
> > of the components inside of the cSIP. 
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:18:24 AM UTC-7 hel...@deepsoft.com 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> At Tue, 26 Jan 2021 05:07:26 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com 
> >> wrote: 
> >>
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > Thank you Robert! 
> >> > 
> >> > I forgot to mention that I'm looking at the BBW, but I think your 
> >> answer 
> >> > refers to this one as well. 
> >> > What about the availability between both solutions? My intended 
> >> development 
> >> > should be for industry, where they expect very very long product 
> >> > availability. Would a SIP be better over single components, or does 
> >> Octavio 
> >> > face the same problems when any part gets end of life status? 
> >>
> >> I don't really know. You'll have to talk to the people at TI about 
> >> that. 
> >>
> >> > 
> >> > Is the image really completely the same? No diff config in uboot or 
> >> > somewhere else? Not easy to compare, because the pinout for both 
> >> ICs is 
> >> > different. 
> >>
> >> The stock Beagle image works without mods on either. I don't know if 
> >> there is 
> >> a difference in the boot loader or if the uboot srcript in the chip 
> >> EEPPROM is 
> >> different. If there is, there is suitable firmware included on the 
> >> image. 
> >>
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > hel...@deepsoft.com schrieb am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2021 um 
> >> 13:54:41 UTC+1: 
> >> > 
> >> > > At Mon, 25 Jan 2021 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) 
> >> beagl...@googlegroups.com wrote: 
> >> > > 
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > Hello everybody, 
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > I'm searching the right hardware for an embedded project. One 
> >> of the 
> >> > > Beagle 
> >> > > > variants is likely to be the right base to start with. Some 
> >> point I 
> >> > > > couldn't figure out: 
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > Why are some boards using 

Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[Robert Nelson]

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 8:47 AM Richard Sewell  wrote:
>
> I'm prototyping on a pocketbeagle, but how to scale up for production or 
> ~1000 units is unclear. I can buy pocketbeagle retail for $25, but the 
> Octavia SIP lists on Digikey at $36 and I have to but 500 parts to get that 
> price . So it seems like integrating a pocketbeagle into my product would be 
> easier and more cost effective. The only bit I don't know is how to solder 
> down a pocketbeagle onto a larger board with automation, any ideas?

If you need 1k, submit a quote for 1k, street pricing shown is only to
100/500 units.. ;)

https://octavosystems.com/octavo_products/osd335x-sm/#ordernow

Regards,

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Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[Richard Sewell]

I'm prototyping on a pocketbeagle, but how to scale up for production or 
~1000 units is unclear. I can buy pocketbeagle retail for $25, but the 
Octavia SIP lists on Digikey at $36 and I have to but 500 parts to get that 
price . So it seems like integrating a pocketbeagle into my product would 
be easier and more cost effective. The only bit I don't know is how to 
solder down a pocketbeagle onto a larger board with automation, any ideas?

-R

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 7:06:58 AM UTC-8 adrian@holtkamp.de 
wrote:

> Maybe you can't buy a ready build board, but Octavio offers design files 
> for the Red with the C-SIP version of OSD335x ->link 
> 
>
> acheesehead schrieb am Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2021 um 15:42:56 UTC+1:
>
>> The board is loosely based upon the Red board. Added a second Ethernet. 
>> The Red is a good starting point. I have a Red that we used to evaluate. I 
>> also have a Blue. Not a bad board, but uses funky connectors. I do not know 
>> of a dev board based upon the cSIP.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 7:38:24 AM UTC-7 acheesehead wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry. Can't share our design. Proprietary. No thermal issues as of yet, 
>>> but we are not running intensive software. I do plan on inspecting using a 
>>> thermal camera in real time sometime soon.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:56:29 PM UTC-7 frank@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi

 Are you able to share the high level design of the board. How do you 
 deal with the heat issue

 Cheers

 frank

 On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 1:47:39 AM UTC+11 acheesehead wrote:

> We have designed a board based upon the Octavo Systems cSIP, which is 
> a step beyond the SIP. They added eMMC, EEPROM and a MEMS oscillator. 
> Many 
> layout issues go away using their solution. I have worked extensively 
> with 
> the Octavo folks. Very nice people. What I understand is that the company 
> was founded by ex-TI people. They provide free design review services 
> that 
> uncovered problems with our design. They say they will manage 
> obsolescence 
> of the components inside of the cSIP. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:18:24 AM UTC-7 hel...@deepsoft.com 
> wrote:
>
>> At Tue, 26 Jan 2021 05:07:26 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com 
>> wrote: 
>>
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Thank you Robert! 
>> > 
>> > I forgot to mention that I'm looking at the BBW, but I think your 
>> answer 
>> > refers to this one as well. 
>> > What about the availability between both solutions? My intended 
>> development 
>> > should be for industry, where they expect very very long product 
>> > availability. Would a SIP be better over single components, or does 
>> Octavio 
>> > face the same problems when any part gets end of life status? 
>>
>> I don't really know. You'll have to talk to the people at TI about 
>> that. 
>>
>> > 
>> > Is the image really completely the same? No diff config in uboot or 
>> > somewhere else? Not easy to compare, because the pinout for both 
>> ICs is 
>> > different. 
>>
>> The stock Beagle image works without mods on either. I don't know if 
>> there is 
>> a difference in the boot loader or if the uboot srcript in the chip 
>> EEPPROM is 
>> different. If there is, there is suitable firmware included on the 
>> image. 
>>
>> > 
>> > 
>> > hel...@deepsoft.com schrieb am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2021 um 
>> 13:54:41 UTC+1: 
>> > 
>> > > At Mon, 25 Jan 2021 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) 
>> beagl...@googlegroups.com wrote: 
>> > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > Hello everybody, 
>> > > > 
>> > > > I'm searching the right hardware for an embedded project. One 
>> of the 
>> > > Beagle 
>> > > > variants is likely to be the right base to start with. Some 
>> point I 
>> > > > couldn't figure out: 
>> > > > 
>> > > > Why are some boards using the TI AM335x like BBB and others use 
>> the same 
>> > > > core, but wrapped in a Octavio SIP. I know that it already 
>> contains a 
>> > > bunch 
>> > > > of components board designers place next to the AM335x. But 
>> what are the 
>> > > > main reasons to choose one or the other? Price? Design 
>> complexity? Is it 
>> > > > fully software compatible on image level? 
>> > > > 
>> > > 
>> > > The PocketBeagle uses the Octavio SIP and the Debian images for 
>> the BBB 
>> > > work 
>> > > just fine on the PocketBeagle, with no compatiblity issues. I 
>> think the 
>> > > Octavio SIP allows for a more compact board because all of the 
>> support 
>> > > components are incorporated into a single package. This makes for 
>> a 
>> > > 

Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[Adrian Fülöp]

Maybe you can't buy a ready build board, but Octavio offers design files 
for the Red with the C-SIP version of OSD335x ->link 


acheesehead schrieb am Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2021 um 15:42:56 UTC+1:

> The board is loosely based upon the Red board. Added a second Ethernet. 
> The Red is a good starting point. I have a Red that we used to evaluate. I 
> also have a Blue. Not a bad board, but uses funky connectors. I do not know 
> of a dev board based upon the cSIP.
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 7:38:24 AM UTC-7 acheesehead wrote:
>
>> Sorry. Can't share our design. Proprietary. No thermal issues as of yet, 
>> but we are not running intensive software. I do plan on inspecting using a 
>> thermal camera in real time sometime soon.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:56:29 PM UTC-7 frank@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Are you able to share the high level design of the board. How do you 
>>> deal with the heat issue
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> frank
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 1:47:39 AM UTC+11 acheesehead wrote:
>>>
 We have designed a board based upon the Octavo Systems cSIP, which is a 
 step beyond the SIP. They added eMMC, EEPROM and a MEMS oscillator. Many 
 layout issues go away using their solution. I have worked extensively with 
 the Octavo folks. Very nice people. What I understand is that the company 
 was founded by ex-TI people. They provide free design review services that 
 uncovered problems with our design. They say they will manage obsolescence 
 of the components inside of the cSIP. 

 On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:18:24 AM UTC-7 hel...@deepsoft.com 
 wrote:

> At Tue, 26 Jan 2021 05:07:26 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com 
> wrote: 
>
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you Robert! 
> > 
> > I forgot to mention that I'm looking at the BBW, but I think your 
> answer 
> > refers to this one as well. 
> > What about the availability between both solutions? My intended 
> development 
> > should be for industry, where they expect very very long product 
> > availability. Would a SIP be better over single components, or does 
> Octavio 
> > face the same problems when any part gets end of life status? 
>
> I don't really know. You'll have to talk to the people at TI about 
> that. 
>
> > 
> > Is the image really completely the same? No diff config in uboot or 
> > somewhere else? Not easy to compare, because the pinout for both ICs 
> is 
> > different. 
>
> The stock Beagle image works without mods on either. I don't know if 
> there is 
> a difference in the boot loader or if the uboot srcript in the chip 
> EEPPROM is 
> different. If there is, there is suitable firmware included on the 
> image. 
>
> > 
> > 
> > hel...@deepsoft.com schrieb am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2021 um 
> 13:54:41 UTC+1: 
> > 
> > > At Mon, 25 Jan 2021 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com 
> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hello everybody, 
> > > > 
> > > > I'm searching the right hardware for an embedded project. One of 
> the 
> > > Beagle 
> > > > variants is likely to be the right base to start with. Some 
> point I 
> > > > couldn't figure out: 
> > > > 
> > > > Why are some boards using the TI AM335x like BBB and others use 
> the same 
> > > > core, but wrapped in a Octavio SIP. I know that it already 
> contains a 
> > > bunch 
> > > > of components board designers place next to the AM335x. But what 
> are the 
> > > > main reasons to choose one or the other? Price? Design 
> complexity? Is it 
> > > > fully software compatible on image level? 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > The PocketBeagle uses the Octavio SIP and the Debian images for 
> the BBB 
> > > work 
> > > just fine on the PocketBeagle, with no compatiblity issues. I 
> think the 
> > > Octavio SIP allows for a more compact board because all of the 
> support 
> > > components are incorporated into a single package. This makes for 
> a 
> > > smaller 
> > > (and cheaper) PCB. 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 <(413)%20658-7953> 
> <(413)%20658-7953> GV: 978-633-5364 <(978)%20633-5364> 
> > > <(978)%20633-5364> 
> > > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services 
> > > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services 
> > > hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
>
> -- 
> Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 <(413)%20658-7953> GV: 
> 978-633-5364 <(978)%20633-5364> 
> Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services 
> http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services 
> 

Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[acheesehead]

The board is loosely based upon the Red board. Added a second Ethernet. The 
Red is a good starting point. I have a Red that we used to evaluate. I also 
have a Blue. Not a bad board, but uses funky connectors. I do not know of a 
dev board based upon the cSIP.

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 7:38:24 AM UTC-7 acheesehead wrote:

> Sorry. Can't share our design. Proprietary. No thermal issues as of yet, 
> but we are not running intensive software. I do plan on inspecting using a 
> thermal camera in real time sometime soon.
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:56:29 PM UTC-7 frank@me.com wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Are you able to share the high level design of the board. How do you deal 
>> with the heat issue
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> frank
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 1:47:39 AM UTC+11 acheesehead wrote:
>>
>>> We have designed a board based upon the Octavo Systems cSIP, which is a 
>>> step beyond the SIP. They added eMMC, EEPROM and a MEMS oscillator. Many 
>>> layout issues go away using their solution. I have worked extensively with 
>>> the Octavo folks. Very nice people. What I understand is that the company 
>>> was founded by ex-TI people. They provide free design review services that 
>>> uncovered problems with our design. They say they will manage obsolescence 
>>> of the components inside of the cSIP. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:18:24 AM UTC-7 hel...@deepsoft.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 At Tue, 26 Jan 2021 05:07:26 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com 
 wrote: 

 > 
 > 
 > Thank you Robert! 
 > 
 > I forgot to mention that I'm looking at the BBW, but I think your 
 answer 
 > refers to this one as well. 
 > What about the availability between both solutions? My intended 
 development 
 > should be for industry, where they expect very very long product 
 > availability. Would a SIP be better over single components, or does 
 Octavio 
 > face the same problems when any part gets end of life status? 

 I don't really know. You'll have to talk to the people at TI about 
 that. 

 > 
 > Is the image really completely the same? No diff config in uboot or 
 > somewhere else? Not easy to compare, because the pinout for both ICs 
 is 
 > different. 

 The stock Beagle image works without mods on either. I don't know if 
 there is 
 a difference in the boot loader or if the uboot srcript in the chip 
 EEPPROM is 
 different. If there is, there is suitable firmware included on the 
 image. 

 > 
 > 
 > hel...@deepsoft.com schrieb am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2021 um 13:54:41 
 UTC+1: 
 > 
 > > At Mon, 25 Jan 2021 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com 
 wrote: 
 > > 
 > > > 
 > > > 
 > > > 
 > > > Hello everybody, 
 > > > 
 > > > I'm searching the right hardware for an embedded project. One of 
 the 
 > > Beagle 
 > > > variants is likely to be the right base to start with. Some point 
 I 
 > > > couldn't figure out: 
 > > > 
 > > > Why are some boards using the TI AM335x like BBB and others use 
 the same 
 > > > core, but wrapped in a Octavio SIP. I know that it already 
 contains a 
 > > bunch 
 > > > of components board designers place next to the AM335x. But what 
 are the 
 > > > main reasons to choose one or the other? Price? Design 
 complexity? Is it 
 > > > fully software compatible on image level? 
 > > > 
 > > 
 > > The PocketBeagle uses the Octavio SIP and the Debian images for the 
 BBB 
 > > work 
 > > just fine on the PocketBeagle, with no compatiblity issues. I think 
 the 
 > > Octavio SIP allows for a more compact board because all of the 
 support 
 > > components are incorporated into a single package. This makes for a 
 > > smaller 
 > > (and cheaper) PCB. 
 > > 
 > > -- 
 > > Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 <(413)%20658-7953> 
 <(413)%20658-7953> GV: 978-633-5364 <(978)%20633-5364> 
 > > <(978)%20633-5364> 
 > > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services 
 > > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services 
 > > hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services 
 > > 
 > > 
 > 

 -- 
 Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 <(413)%20658-7953> GV: 978-633-5364 
 <(978)%20633-5364> 
 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services 
 http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services 
 hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services 



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Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[acheesehead]

Sorry. Can't share our design. Proprietary. No thermal issues as of yet, 
but we are not running intensive software. I do plan on inspecting using a 
thermal camera in real time sometime soon.

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:56:29 PM UTC-7 frank@me.com wrote:

> Hi
>
> Are you able to share the high level design of the board. How do you deal 
> with the heat issue
>
> Cheers
>
> frank
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 1:47:39 AM UTC+11 acheesehead wrote:
>
>> We have designed a board based upon the Octavo Systems cSIP, which is a 
>> step beyond the SIP. They added eMMC, EEPROM and a MEMS oscillator. Many 
>> layout issues go away using their solution. I have worked extensively with 
>> the Octavo folks. Very nice people. What I understand is that the company 
>> was founded by ex-TI people. They provide free design review services that 
>> uncovered problems with our design. They say they will manage obsolescence 
>> of the components inside of the cSIP. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:18:24 AM UTC-7 hel...@deepsoft.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At Tue, 26 Jan 2021 05:07:26 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com 
>>> wrote: 
>>>
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > Thank you Robert! 
>>> > 
>>> > I forgot to mention that I'm looking at the BBW, but I think your 
>>> answer 
>>> > refers to this one as well. 
>>> > What about the availability between both solutions? My intended 
>>> development 
>>> > should be for industry, where they expect very very long product 
>>> > availability. Would a SIP be better over single components, or does 
>>> Octavio 
>>> > face the same problems when any part gets end of life status? 
>>>
>>> I don't really know. You'll have to talk to the people at TI about that. 
>>>
>>> > 
>>> > Is the image really completely the same? No diff config in uboot or 
>>> > somewhere else? Not easy to compare, because the pinout for both ICs 
>>> is 
>>> > different. 
>>>
>>> The stock Beagle image works without mods on either. I don't know if 
>>> there is 
>>> a difference in the boot loader or if the uboot srcript in the chip 
>>> EEPPROM is 
>>> different. If there is, there is suitable firmware included on the 
>>> image. 
>>>
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > hel...@deepsoft.com schrieb am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2021 um 13:54:41 
>>> UTC+1: 
>>> > 
>>> > > At Mon, 25 Jan 2021 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com 
>>> wrote: 
>>> > > 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > Hello everybody, 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > I'm searching the right hardware for an embedded project. One of 
>>> the 
>>> > > Beagle 
>>> > > > variants is likely to be the right base to start with. Some point 
>>> I 
>>> > > > couldn't figure out: 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > Why are some boards using the TI AM335x like BBB and others use 
>>> the same 
>>> > > > core, but wrapped in a Octavio SIP. I know that it already 
>>> contains a 
>>> > > bunch 
>>> > > > of components board designers place next to the AM335x. But what 
>>> are the 
>>> > > > main reasons to choose one or the other? Price? Design complexity? 
>>> Is it 
>>> > > > fully software compatible on image level? 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > The PocketBeagle uses the Octavio SIP and the Debian images for the 
>>> BBB 
>>> > > work 
>>> > > just fine on the PocketBeagle, with no compatiblity issues. I think 
>>> the 
>>> > > Octavio SIP allows for a more compact board because all of the 
>>> support 
>>> > > components are incorporated into a single package. This makes for a 
>>> > > smaller 
>>> > > (and cheaper) PCB. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > -- 
>>> > > Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 <(413)%20658-7953> 
>>> <(413)%20658-7953> GV: 978-633-5364 <(978)%20633-5364> 
>>> > > <(978)%20633-5364> 
>>> > > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services 
>>> > > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services 
>>> > > hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > 
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 <(413)%20658-7953> GV: 978-633-5364 
>>> <(978)%20633-5364> 
>>> Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services 
>>> http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services 
>>> hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[Adrian Fülöp]

Hello Frank,

I've not build my own board. The project is still in an early development 
stage. But you can find the design including layout for the boards. I guess 
they've managed thermal management. 

Beagle Bone Black (with AM335x and separate components):
https://github.com/beagleboard/beaglebone-black (Allergo files)

Beagle Bone Black Wireless (SiP OSD335x without wired ethernet):
https://github.com/beagleboard/beaglebone-black-wireless (Eagle files)

Or OSD3358-SM-REDReference, Evaluation, Development Board for the OSD335x 
Families of SiP Products: (with ethernet)
https://octavosystems.com/octavo_products/osd3358-sm-red/ (Eagle files)

regards
Adrian


frank@me.com schrieb am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2021 um 23:56:29 UTC+1:

> Hi
>
> Are you able to share the high level design of the board. How do you deal 
> with the heat issue
>
> Cheers
>
> frank
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 1:47:39 AM UTC+11 acheesehead wrote:
>
>> We have designed a board based upon the Octavo Systems cSIP, which is a 
>> step beyond the SIP. They added eMMC, EEPROM and a MEMS oscillator. Many 
>> layout issues go away using their solution. I have worked extensively with 
>> the Octavo folks. Very nice people. What I understand is that the company 
>> was founded by ex-TI people. They provide free design review services that 
>> uncovered problems with our design. They say they will manage obsolescence 
>> of the components inside of the cSIP. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:18:24 AM UTC-7 hel...@deepsoft.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At Tue, 26 Jan 2021 05:07:26 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com 
>>> wrote: 
>>>
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > Thank you Robert! 
>>> > 
>>> > I forgot to mention that I'm looking at the BBW, but I think your 
>>> answer 
>>> > refers to this one as well. 
>>> > What about the availability between both solutions? My intended 
>>> development 
>>> > should be for industry, where they expect very very long product 
>>> > availability. Would a SIP be better over single components, or does 
>>> Octavio 
>>> > face the same problems when any part gets end of life status? 
>>>
>>> I don't really know. You'll have to talk to the people at TI about that. 
>>>
>>> > 
>>> > Is the image really completely the same? No diff config in uboot or 
>>> > somewhere else? Not easy to compare, because the pinout for both ICs 
>>> is 
>>> > different. 
>>>
>>> The stock Beagle image works without mods on either. I don't know if 
>>> there is 
>>> a difference in the boot loader or if the uboot srcript in the chip 
>>> EEPPROM is 
>>> different. If there is, there is suitable firmware included on the 
>>> image. 
>>>
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > hel...@deepsoft.com schrieb am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2021 um 13:54:41 
>>> UTC+1: 
>>> > 
>>> > > At Mon, 25 Jan 2021 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com 
>>> wrote: 
>>> > > 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > Hello everybody, 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > I'm searching the right hardware for an embedded project. One of 
>>> the 
>>> > > Beagle 
>>> > > > variants is likely to be the right base to start with. Some point 
>>> I 
>>> > > > couldn't figure out: 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > Why are some boards using the TI AM335x like BBB and others use 
>>> the same 
>>> > > > core, but wrapped in a Octavio SIP. I know that it already 
>>> contains a 
>>> > > bunch 
>>> > > > of components board designers place next to the AM335x. But what 
>>> are the 
>>> > > > main reasons to choose one or the other? Price? Design complexity? 
>>> Is it 
>>> > > > fully software compatible on image level? 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > The PocketBeagle uses the Octavio SIP and the Debian images for the 
>>> BBB 
>>> > > work 
>>> > > just fine on the PocketBeagle, with no compatiblity issues. I think 
>>> the 
>>> > > Octavio SIP allows for a more compact board because all of the 
>>> support 
>>> > > components are incorporated into a single package. This makes for a 
>>> > > smaller 
>>> > > (and cheaper) PCB. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > -- 
>>> > > Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 <(413)%20658-7953> 
>>> <(413)%20658-7953> GV: 978-633-5364 <(978)%20633-5364> 
>>> > > <(978)%20633-5364> 
>>> > > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services 
>>> > > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services 
>>> > > hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > 
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 <(413)%20658-7953> GV: 978-633-5364 
>>> <(978)%20633-5364> 
>>> Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services 
>>> http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services 
>>> hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

['frank....@me.com' via BeagleBoard]

Hi

Are you able to share the high level design of the board. How do you deal 
with the heat issue

Cheers

frank

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 1:47:39 AM UTC+11 acheesehead wrote:

> We have designed a board based upon the Octavo Systems cSIP, which is a 
> step beyond the SIP. They added eMMC, EEPROM and a MEMS oscillator. Many 
> layout issues go away using their solution. I have worked extensively with 
> the Octavo folks. Very nice people. What I understand is that the company 
> was founded by ex-TI people. They provide free design review services that 
> uncovered problems with our design. They say they will manage obsolescence 
> of the components inside of the cSIP. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:18:24 AM UTC-7 hel...@deepsoft.com 
> wrote:
>
>> At Tue, 26 Jan 2021 05:07:26 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com wrote:
>>
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Thank you Robert!
>> > 
>> > I forgot to mention that I'm looking at the BBW, but I think your 
>> answer 
>> > refers to this one as well.
>> > What about the availability between both solutions? My intended 
>> development 
>> > should be for industry, where they expect very very long product 
>> > availability. Would a SIP be better over single components, or does 
>> Octavio 
>> > face the same problems when any part gets end of life status?
>>
>> I don't really know. You'll have to talk to the people at TI about that.
>>
>> > 
>> > Is the image really completely the same? No diff config in uboot or 
>> > somewhere else? Not easy to compare, because the pinout for both ICs is 
>> > different. 
>>
>> The stock Beagle image works without mods on either. I don't know if 
>> there is 
>> a difference in the boot loader or if the uboot srcript in the chip 
>> EEPPROM is 
>> different. If there is, there is suitable firmware included on the image.
>>
>> > 
>> > 
>> > hel...@deepsoft.com schrieb am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2021 um 13:54:41 
>> UTC+1:
>> > 
>> > > At Mon, 25 Jan 2021 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com 
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > Hello everybody,
>> > > > 
>> > > > I'm searching the right hardware for an embedded project. One of 
>> the 
>> > > Beagle 
>> > > > variants is likely to be the right base to start with. Some point I 
>> > > > couldn't figure out:
>> > > > 
>> > > > Why are some boards using the TI AM335x like BBB and others use the 
>> same 
>> > > > core, but wrapped in a Octavio SIP. I know that it already contains 
>> a 
>> > > bunch 
>> > > > of components board designers place next to the AM335x. But what 
>> are the 
>> > > > main reasons to choose one or the other? Price? Design complexity? 
>> Is it 
>> > > > fully software compatible on image level? 
>> > > > 
>> > >
>> > > The PocketBeagle uses the Octavio SIP and the Debian images for the 
>> BBB 
>> > > work 
>> > > just fine on the PocketBeagle, with no compatiblity issues. I think 
>> the 
>> > > Octavio SIP allows for a more compact board because all of the 
>> support 
>> > > components are incorporated into a single package. This makes for a 
>> > > smaller 
>> > > (and cheaper) PCB.
>> > >
>> > > -- 
>> > > Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 <(413)%20658-7953> 
>> <(413)%20658-7953> GV: 978-633-5364 <(978)%20633-5364> 
>> > > <(978)%20633-5364>
>> > > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
>> > > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services
>> > > hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services
>> > >
>> > >
>> > 
>>
>> -- 
>> Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 <(413)%20658-7953> GV: 978-633-5364 
>> <(978)%20633-5364>
>> Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
>> http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services
>> hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services
>>
>>

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RE: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

['Frank Romanin' via BeagleBoard]

Hi 

Are you able to share the high level design of the board. How do you deal with 
the heat issue 

Cheers

frank

 

From: beagleboard@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
acheesehead
Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2021 1:48 AM
To: BeagleBoard 
Subject: Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

 

We have designed a board based upon the Octavo Systems cSIP, which is a step 
beyond the SIP. They added eMMC, EEPROM and a MEMS oscillator. Many layout 
issues go away using their solution. I have worked extensively with the Octavo 
folks. Very nice people. What I understand is that the company was founded by 
ex-TI people. They provide free design review services that uncovered problems 
with our design. They say they will manage obsolescence of the components 
inside of the cSIP. 

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:18:24 AM UTC-7 hel...@deepsoft.com 
<mailto:hel...@deepsoft.com>  wrote:

At Tue, 26 Jan 2021 05:07:26 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:beagl...@googlegroups.com>  wrote: 

> 
> 
> Thank you Robert! 
> 
> I forgot to mention that I'm looking at the BBW, but I think your answer 
> refers to this one as well. 
> What about the availability between both solutions? My intended development 
> should be for industry, where they expect very very long product 
> availability. Would a SIP be better over single components, or does Octavio 
> face the same problems when any part gets end of life status? 

I don't really know. You'll have to talk to the people at TI about that. 

> 
> Is the image really completely the same? No diff config in uboot or 
> somewhere else? Not easy to compare, because the pinout for both ICs is 
> different. 

The stock Beagle image works without mods on either. I don't know if there is 
a difference in the boot loader or if the uboot srcript in the chip EEPPROM is 
different. If there is, there is suitable firmware included on the image. 

> 
> 
> hel...@deepsoft.com <mailto:hel...@deepsoft.com>  schrieb am Dienstag, 26. 
> Januar 2021 um 13:54:41 UTC+1: 
> 
> > At Mon, 25 Jan 2021 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com 
> > <mailto:beagl...@googlegroups.com>  wrote: 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hello everybody, 
> > > 
> > > I'm searching the right hardware for an embedded project. One of the 
> > Beagle 
> > > variants is likely to be the right base to start with. Some point I 
> > > couldn't figure out: 
> > > 
> > > Why are some boards using the TI AM335x like BBB and others use the same 
> > > core, but wrapped in a Octavio SIP. I know that it already contains a 
> > bunch 
> > > of components board designers place next to the AM335x. But what are the 
> > > main reasons to choose one or the other? Price? Design complexity? Is it 
> > > fully software compatible on image level? 
> > > 
> > 
> > The PocketBeagle uses the Octavio SIP and the Debian images for the BBB 
> > work 
> > just fine on the PocketBeagle, with no compatiblity issues. I think the 
> > Octavio SIP allows for a more compact board because all of the support 
> > components are incorporated into a single package. This makes for a 
> > smaller 
> > (and cheaper) PCB. 
> > 
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Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[jonnymo]

The Beaglebone Blue is another Beagle that sports an Octavo OSD3358
Processor.

As far as the BBB Wireless, there is this post on the Octavo site regarding
the launch of the BBB Wireless:
http://octavosystems.com/2016/09/27/the-beaglebone-black-wireless-and-beagleboard-compatibility/

One notable statement from the link is:
"First, the design was greatly simplified by replacing over 150 discrete
components with the OSD3358-512M-BAS"

Also, the Beaglebone AI uses a Texas Instruments AM5729 which is a bit
different.

And even more fun, the Beagle-V will use a RISC-V chip.

Cheers,

Jon




On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 5:07 AM Adrian Fülöp 
wrote:

>
> Thank you Robert!
>
> I forgot to mention that I'm looking at the BBW, but I think your answer
> refers to this one as well.
> What about the availability between both solutions? My intended
> development should be for industry, where they expect very very long
> product availability. Would a SIP be better over single components, or does
> Octavio face the same problems when any part gets end of life status?
>
> Is the image really completely the same? No diff config in uboot or
> somewhere else? Not easy to compare, because the pinout for both ICs is
> different.
>
>
> hel...@deepsoft.com schrieb am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2021 um 13:54:41
> UTC+1:
>
>> At Mon, 25 Jan 2021 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello everybody,
>> >
>> > I'm searching the right hardware for an embedded project. One of the
>> Beagle
>> > variants is likely to be the right base to start with. Some point I
>> > couldn't figure out:
>> >
>> > Why are some boards using the TI AM335x like BBB and others use the
>> same
>> > core, but wrapped in a Octavio SIP. I know that it already contains a
>> bunch
>> > of components board designers place next to the AM335x. But what are
>> the
>> > main reasons to choose one or the other? Price? Design complexity? Is
>> it
>> > fully software compatible on image level?
>> >
>>
>> The PocketBeagle uses the Octavio SIP and the Debian images for the BBB
>> work
>> just fine on the PocketBeagle, with no compatiblity issues. I think the
>> Octavio SIP allows for a more compact board because all of the support
>> components are incorporated into a single package. This makes for a
>> smaller
>> (and cheaper) PCB.
>>
>> --
>> Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 <(413)%20658-7953> GV: 978-633-5364
>> <(978)%20633-5364>
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Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[acheesehead]

We have designed a board based upon the Octavo Systems cSIP, which is a 
step beyond the SIP. They added eMMC, EEPROM and a MEMS oscillator. Many 
layout issues go away using their solution. I have worked extensively with 
the Octavo folks. Very nice people. What I understand is that the company 
was founded by ex-TI people. They provide free design review services that 
uncovered problems with our design. They say they will manage obsolescence 
of the components inside of the cSIP. 

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:18:24 AM UTC-7 hel...@deepsoft.com wrote:

> At Tue, 26 Jan 2021 05:07:26 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com wrote:
>
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you Robert!
> > 
> > I forgot to mention that I'm looking at the BBW, but I think your answer 
> > refers to this one as well.
> > What about the availability between both solutions? My intended 
> development 
> > should be for industry, where they expect very very long product 
> > availability. Would a SIP be better over single components, or does 
> Octavio 
> > face the same problems when any part gets end of life status?
>
> I don't really know. You'll have to talk to the people at TI about that.
>
> > 
> > Is the image really completely the same? No diff config in uboot or 
> > somewhere else? Not easy to compare, because the pinout for both ICs is 
> > different. 
>
> The stock Beagle image works without mods on either. I don't know if there 
> is 
> a difference in the boot loader or if the uboot srcript in the chip 
> EEPPROM is 
> different. If there is, there is suitable firmware included on the image.
>
> > 
> > 
> > hel...@deepsoft.com schrieb am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2021 um 13:54:41 
> UTC+1:
> > 
> > > At Mon, 25 Jan 2021 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hello everybody,
> > > > 
> > > > I'm searching the right hardware for an embedded project. One of the 
> > > Beagle 
> > > > variants is likely to be the right base to start with. Some point I 
> > > > couldn't figure out:
> > > > 
> > > > Why are some boards using the TI AM335x like BBB and others use the 
> same 
> > > > core, but wrapped in a Octavio SIP. I know that it already contains 
> a 
> > > bunch 
> > > > of components board designers place next to the AM335x. But what are 
> the 
> > > > main reasons to choose one or the other? Price? Design complexity? 
> Is it 
> > > > fully software compatible on image level? 
> > > > 
> > >
> > > The PocketBeagle uses the Octavio SIP and the Debian images for the 
> BBB 
> > > work 
> > > just fine on the PocketBeagle, with no compatiblity issues. I think 
> the 
> > > Octavio SIP allows for a more compact board because all of the support 
> > > components are incorporated into a single package. This makes for a 
> > > smaller 
> > > (and cheaper) PCB.
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 <(413)%20658-7953> 
> <(413)%20658-7953> GV: 978-633-5364 <(978)%20633-5364> 
> > > <(978)%20633-5364>
> > > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
> > > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services
> > > hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services
> > >
> > >
> > 
>
> -- 
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> <(978)%20633-5364>
> Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
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Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[Robert Heller]

At Tue, 26 Jan 2021 05:07:26 -0800 (PST) beagleboard@googlegroups.com wrote:

> 
> 
> Thank you Robert!
> 
> I forgot to mention that I'm looking at the BBW, but I think your answer 
> refers to this one as well.
> What about the availability between both solutions? My intended development 
> should be for industry, where they expect very very long product 
> availability. Would a SIP be better over single components, or does Octavio 
> face the same problems when any part gets end of life status?

I don't really know.  You'll have to talk to the people at TI about that.

> 
> Is the image really completely the same? No diff config in uboot or 
> somewhere else? Not easy to compare, because the pinout for both ICs is 
> different. 

The stock Beagle image works without mods on either.  I don't know if there is 
a difference in the boot loader or if the uboot srcript in the chip EEPPROM is 
different.  If there is, there is suitable firmware included on the image.

> 
> 
> hel...@deepsoft.com schrieb am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2021 um 13:54:41 UTC+1:
> 
> > At Mon, 25 Jan 2021 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com wrote:
> >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hello everybody,
> > > 
> > > I'm searching the right hardware for an embedded project. One of the 
> > Beagle 
> > > variants is likely to be the right base to start with. Some point I 
> > > couldn't figure out:
> > > 
> > > Why are some boards using the TI AM335x like BBB and others use the same 
> > > core, but wrapped in a Octavio SIP. I know that it already contains a 
> > bunch 
> > > of components board designers place next to the AM335x. But what are the 
> > > main reasons to choose one or the other? Price? Design complexity? Is it 
> > > fully software compatible on image level? 
> > > 
> >
> > The PocketBeagle uses the Octavio SIP and the Debian images for the BBB 
> > work 
> > just fine on the PocketBeagle, with no compatiblity issues. I think the 
> > Octavio SIP allows for a more compact board because all of the support 
> > components are incorporated into a single package. This makes for a 
> > smaller 
> > (and cheaper) PCB.
> >
> > -- 
> > Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 <(413)%20658-7953> GV: 978-633-5364 
> > <(978)%20633-5364>
> > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
> > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services
> > hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services
> >
> >
> 

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Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[Adrian Fülöp]

Thank you Robert!

I forgot to mention that I'm looking at the BBW, but I think your answer 
refers to this one as well.
What about the availability between both solutions? My intended development 
should be for industry, where they expect very very long product 
availability. Would a SIP be better over single components, or does Octavio 
face the same problems when any part gets end of life status?

Is the image really completely the same? No diff config in uboot or 
somewhere else? Not easy to compare, because the pinout for both ICs is 
different. 


hel...@deepsoft.com schrieb am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2021 um 13:54:41 UTC+1:

> At Mon, 25 Jan 2021 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) beagl...@googlegroups.com wrote:
>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hello everybody,
> > 
> > I'm searching the right hardware for an embedded project. One of the 
> Beagle 
> > variants is likely to be the right base to start with. Some point I 
> > couldn't figure out:
> > 
> > Why are some boards using the TI AM335x like BBB and others use the same 
> > core, but wrapped in a Octavio SIP. I know that it already contains a 
> bunch 
> > of components board designers place next to the AM335x. But what are the 
> > main reasons to choose one or the other? Price? Design complexity? Is it 
> > fully software compatible on image level? 
> > 
>
> The PocketBeagle uses the Octavio SIP and the Debian images for the BBB 
> work 
> just fine on the PocketBeagle, with no compatiblity issues. I think the 
> Octavio SIP allows for a more compact board because all of the support 
> components are incorporated into a single package. This makes for a 
> smaller 
> (and cheaper) PCB.
>
> -- 
> Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 <(413)%20658-7953> GV: 978-633-5364 
> <(978)%20633-5364>
> Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
> http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services
> hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services
>
>

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Re: [beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[Robert Heller]

At Mon, 25 Jan 2021 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) beagleboard@googlegroups.com wrote:

> 
>  
> 
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I'm searching the right hardware for an embedded project. One of the Beagle 
> variants is likely to be the right base to start with. Some point I  
> couldn't figure out:
> 
> Why are some boards using the TI AM335x like BBB and others use the same 
> core, but wrapped in a Octavio SIP. I know that it already contains a bunch 
> of components board designers place next to the AM335x. But what are the 
> main reasons to choose one or the other? Price? Design complexity? Is it 
> fully software compatible on image level? 
> 

The PocketBeagle uses the Octavio SIP and the Debian images for the BBB work 
just fine on the PocketBeagle, with no compatiblity issues.  I think the 
Octavio SIP allows for a more compact board because all of the support 
components are incorporated into a single package.  This makes for a smaller 
(and cheaper) PCB.

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[beagleboard] TI AM335x vs. Octavio OSD3358

[Adrian Fülöp]

 

Hello everybody,

I'm searching the right hardware for an embedded project. One of the Beagle 
variants is likely to be the right base to start with. Some point I  
couldn't figure out:

Why are some boards using the TI AM335x like BBB and others use the same 
core, but wrapped in a Octavio SIP. I know that it already contains a bunch 
of components board designers place next to the AM335x. But what are the 
main reasons to choose one or the other? Price? Design complexity? Is it 
fully software compatible on image level? 

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