Re: shots
Sorry I can't remember who it was but a few weeks ago someone posted a letter from their vet discussing the why's and wherefore's of how and when we should vaccinate. I think they were going to follow it up with the vet and let us know more. Anyone remember this? Thank you Marion Brown Teversal Bernese Mountain Dogs South Africa Dogs Never Lie About Love (Jeffrey Masson)
Re: Glucosamine
While not a Berner, our Aussie pup has had limping problems from an early age. Diagnosed as possible pano at about 8 months when a Lyme titer was also run and came back negative. Now at 14 months he was having problems in the rear which looked to my untrained eye like cruciate problems - but this time the Lyme test came back POSITIVE!! Not sure if it's a problem in your area but please be sure to have the vet test for Lyme and other tickborne diseases. Barb Sheryl wrote: After he is out running in the yard and/or playing with other dogs I find that when he comes in he is very stiff and on occasion starts to limp. This will last a day or so and then the limp and stiffness seems to go away. I am wondering if this is a sign that there could be a problem with his hips or arthritis?
RE: Be suspicious of ANY ads selling dogs
from Lisa's email's subject line: Be suspicious of newspaper ads selling dogs Lisa makes an excellent point, but it's misstated. She should have said just Be suspicious. It doesn't matter where anyone advertises, there are scrupulous and unscrupulous breeders (and buyers) all over. Some advertise in the newspaper, some in the dog magazines, some on the internet, some are BMDCA members, some are Berner-L members. Some broker dogs, some sell at auctions, some sell to pet shops. The unscrupulous will use any means to help make a profit and sell a puppy, they would never limit themselves just to newspaper ads. The challenge that many of us have been working hard with is to help educate the caring buyer about how to better identify the caring seller. I think we have done a great deal in the creation and dissemination of resources: information packets, educational materials, counter newspaper advertisements, posters, baseball cards, the lobbying efforts, the BMDCA education committee, the BMDCA public relations committee, you name it! I think it's becoming more difficult for sellers to churn out litters and sell them for high prices. I think we've been making a difference. We still have a long way to go, but look at how far we've come already! Pat Long, ( Luther) Berwyn PA
Re: Be suspicious of newspaper ads selling dogs
It would appear that we have a LOT of educating to do about puppy sources... At least one person I know was referred to an importer/broker who advertises in the Boston paper when they asked Angell Memorial for suggestions on finding a BMD puppy. -Sherri Venditti I wonder if they'll use Angell for the orthopedic surgery their puppy needs...
BMD w/issues needs help
I just had to write, as many of you know my now 7 month old girl came from a volume breeder (not huge, 10-24 litters a year). We did not know this when we bought her. Her french pedigree and registration papers came last week (the day after she was spayed). We have had behaviour problems with her from day one. We chose this breed for their temperament.. we did not expect to have a hyperactive bite-monster. We love her to bits, we work hard with her everyday to improve her behaviour, we try to avoid trigger things, however we are not experts, if we had known in advance we would never had wanted a dog like this. We bought a dog for life, and we will continue to work with her (many many thanks to all the advice we have been given, she is so much better, but still difficult). I suspect that there will be a time when many more BMD's needing rehoming have behaviour problems, and it will be because owners can't cope, not always because they won't. Luckily I was a special school teacher before so have patience, but many people do not have the type or amount of patience needed to deal with behavioural issues. However, we have to live with the knowledge that as she grows up she has to improve or it we be all of us having to pay the price, Emma and Tatty (how long before spaying changes my character) in France
re: limping and stiffness post
I can only speak regarding Bernese but, if your dog is displaying limping and stiffness, a trip to the veterinarian, in my opinion, would be in order. This can indicate the mildest of conditions to the very most serious. Your veterinarian can Xray and then suggest the proper medications or treatment. Or, your veterinarian can then refer you to an orthopedic specialist. If this condition is easily treatable, then it will be good to devise a plan under medical supervision. Lisa Allen Blessed with Berners since 1983! _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Ads in newspapers, Moses first post-chemo tests
I am completely in favor of dog clubs advertising in the newspaper to offer the very best of services but I would never send a person to the newspaper in search of a dog if one requested of me where best to find a specific breed. Rather, I would warn such a person of the fact that ALOT of these ads are very deceptive. I become sick at heart when I see a Berner advertised for sale in the pet column of the newspaper. Yesterday, Moses had his first post chemotherapy (bone cancer)blood tests and urinalysis and I should have the results today. Naturally, I am anxious to receive the results although Moses seems to be doing quite well. Angell Memorial called, too, yesterday, to inquire as to Moses' condition. Thanks to their finest of orthopedic and oncology departments, Moses is progressing beautifully, although he tends to overuse his remaining back leg, in which there is some crepitus which can be easily felt. My dogs' regular veterinarian removed the few remaining staples from the amputation site; two of my Bernese have lost a leg to cancer, Moses to osteosarcoma and Yoda(1992-2002) to synovial cell sarcoma and I constantly marvel at the surgical sites, which were left so tidy, no infection, swelling, or pain, with the dog trying to stand up literally within hours of surgery; how very blessed we are, in the Northeast, to have such a fine facility as Angell Memorial Animal Hospital available. Lisa Allen _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: BERNER-L digest 4265
please remove my name. Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List wrote: BERNER-L Digest 4265 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: auction update by Laura Lopez Mendez [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) Hugo's puzzle - and hopes of water therapy by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Raffle by Laura Lopez Mendez [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Re.Photo wanted. by Willem Wijnberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) Pat Long Photos by Pat Long Paul Dangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) RE: Re.Photo wanted. by Pat Long Paul Dangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7) FW: Re.Photo wanted. by Pat Long Paul Dangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) Youngest Bernese Sire by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9) Re: Youngest Bernese Sire by Eileen Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) Re: Youngest Bernese Sire by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) Don't block the Berner-l, email me if you want off by Sylvia Katvala [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12) RE: Elbow dysplasia surgery? by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13) RE: trying to get information by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14) Response to Michaela's post by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15) RE: Trever lump! by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16) RE: Puppy ate a bully stick! or s**t happens by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17) RE: He's afraid of his crate by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18) RE: Food for thought--playing iwth a lab by Nancy Melone [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19) Re: BERNER-L digest 4264 by The Big Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20) The Results are in by Disler, Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21) Potomac Valley BMDC 2003 Specialty by Disler, Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22) RE: Fussy eaters? by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23) RE: Food for thought by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24) shots by Jan Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25) Re: masticatory myositis (longish) by Wendy Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 26) Re: [INWBMDC] Berners Win Again!! by Dino Candelaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27) Berner in Shelter by Nobles.Carrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 28) RE: Berner in Shelter by Andrea Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: auction update Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:35:35 -0600 From: Laura Lopez Mendez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Amy Kessler [EMAIL PROTECTED], Berner l [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: BARC Group Chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you BARC! 13 dogs will have a wonderful life because of you Ü. My respect and admiration, Laura and the MexGang Ravel, Abby, Lloyd and our AngelDogs, Normann and Baxter Laura Lopez-Mendez, DVM Mexico City [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/llmvet/MexGang.html Subject: Hugo's puzzle - and hopes of water therapy Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 22:42:59 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] It has been a rough go lately with Hugo. The surgeon's x-rays on Saturday showed nothing unusual. Blood and urine normal. He's not sure what caused Hugo's setback eight days ago but was certain it wasn't due to the kind of home-grown physical therapy I was giving him (holding out treats so he would move a few inches, kicking and finally stretching his neck to get the treat). The surgeon said Hugo definitely had feeling in his feet but at this point wasn't using his brain motor to move the legs purposefully. He suggested an MRI but we said we weren't putting him through any more surgery and he understood that. Back home, we sat him up for his meal. As I was holding the bowl to his face, I looked down to see he was no longer holding his front paws out the way he has for the last week, completely stiff and rigid from the shoulder with a big triangle of space between him and the floor. Now he was bending his elbows in a relaxed position! He only wanted to stay up for a few minutes but it was a start. I did some gentle ROM exercises with one front paw and noticed it was now able to move all the way forward. My question is - what can we attribute this positive change to? Subcutaneous fluid? Or not getting his prednisone for a day because of the vomiting (I doubt it)? Or was it something the surgeon did - holding him into a pseudo-standing position or just all that moving around? If you have any thoughts on this, please email me. To the kind emailer who was concerned about what Hugo wants, please be assured that we want what is best for him and what he wants. And if it becomes evident that he wants to go, we will let him do that. But it is not clear yet what his chances are of recovery. I am hoping to get him into hydrotherapy this week, if the surgeon and the hydro-therapist ever connect. Donna and Hugo, Southern Calif.
Re: harness
We used a no-pull harness with 2 of our dogs and it worked great - to the point that neither dog needed it after a couple of months! One was a 60 pound husky-x and the other a 120 pound intact male BMD. I would highly recommend it's use for pullers. The harness we used had a collar with 2 rings on the bottom (under the neck) and a large ring on top. A split strap (ring with 2 straps attached) was attached to the leash then the straps run through the upper ring under the dog's arms and up to the lower ring. The beauty is the strap thing could be attached for walks and then removed after the walk, leaving the collar in place. Very simple and very effective. See http://www.sporn.com/pages.cfm?ID=16 for the details on how the harness works (and of course you can order one from Sporn if you wish). We got ours from a local pet store - but they are available in different versions on the web - I did a search for no pull harness at www.ask.com. Liz Steinweg The Crew Blue Moon's Baloo Berry Torte Baloo Bobby Sox (husky-x), Figaro (20+ lb Forest Cat) Rio Sahara (the Rat Cats) and in loving memory of my 1st BMD - Toby (6/29/97 - 6/30/00 lost to MH) Colorado Springs CO http://www.csbservices.com/personal/personal.htm - Original Message - From: Andrea Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Berner-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: harness has anyone used a harness that inhibits pulling with their dog. i am not talking about a halti or gentle leader, just an old fashioned no pull harness? thanks andrea
RE: BEHAF Special friends -- Hugo Quad Chair?
Dino here for BEHAF. BEHAF will take donations for specific dogs and send those funds to the owner unless the owner specifies otherwise(as has happened before) If you wish to donate funds for a specific dog please send a note or write on the check who you wish them to apply to. The Special Friends fund is driven by you folks here on the L. If you wish to make a berner a Special Friend we act as the collection point for those funds. We then have our Webwizard put up the story and pics of the dog(so Donna if you can email me a pic of Hugo and a short run down of his story-I can forward it on to her.) So if you don't have a credit card or just wish to send a check, we would be glad to collect them and get them to Donna.(Donna, I will need your snail mail address) Donations can be sent to: BEHAF % Dino Candelaria 25421 Wagner Rd Caldwell ID 83607 Andrea Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:55PM they are working on a refurbished one for him. i have been in contact with them and a few other manufacturer, so there will be a big discount. i too would like to see behalf gift him this and the berner community in general. if we get a chair then when he no longer uses it we can keep it for another candidate. i would like to see a lending library for this kind of equipment and would do anything i could to facilitate it. andrea -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Patricia Tackett Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BEHAF Special friends -- Hugo Quad Chair? I've been following Donna's posts about her boy Hugo and looking for help with a Quad chair. I believe Doggon' Wheels (MT) 1-888-736-4466 is the company that makes a Quad chair for canines. Does anybody know if he has become a BEHAF Special Friends yet, does Donna need to ask BEHAF Board personally or can we as friends get this started? A Quad Chair will run close to $800 for Hugo surely we can open our hearts and pocket books to help this grand fellow! I've heard he is lifting his head, eating and pooping THAT has to be a wonderous feeling for Donna to behold! Just wondering what's going on and wanting to help a fellow Berner owner. Pat Tackett Texas __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: Glucosamine / digest index
Pages with Glucosamine and Parvo added- http://www.berner.org/pages/temp_index.htm Hugh (Rockland County, New York) - Original Message - From: stella logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: Glucosamine My boy Ozzie is now just over 13 months old, his height is 29 inches and he weighs 115 pounds (very lean boy). He has matured into a wonderful dog. I am happy to say we have had very few problems with him. At around 4-1/2 months I started noticing that he would on occasion have a little difficulty getting up from a lying down position (hind legs). He still has the same difficulty but not all the time. After he is out running in the yard and/or playing with other dogs I find that when he comes in he is very stiff and on occasion starts to limp. This will last a day or so and then the limp and stiffness seems to go away. I am wondering if this is a sign that there could be a problem with his hips or arthritis? My husband suggested we give him a supplement of glucosamine which works for humans with arthritis. Has anybody every tried this and if so what dosage? This group has been extremely helpful in the past and I am sure you will be again. Thanks Sheryl and Ozzie Ontario, Canada _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Doggon Wheels BLESS THEM!
Hi everyone, I wrote Doggon Wheels an email late yesterday before leaving work. I had a reply this morning waiting for me Lori Chad owners of Doggon Wheels has told me once they get to 75% mark towards cost of Hugo's chair THEY are donating the final 25%. That is the greatest news! I know we have very caring folks on this list and some may even think trying to see Hugo through rehabilitation is a mute point but we have to try. Each of us have to look into our dogs eyes trying to decide what would we do if in similar situation. I personally don't know I do know I'd move heaven and earth to help my dog if I thought there was a chance to see them recover -- that is where Donna is right now in her situation with Hugo. Hugo is giving her the little signs that is trying to recover and I would hope we as Berner community can be there to help support Donna emotionally and financially. If I lived in California and near her I'd be offering to help drive to hydrotherapy that's how much I feel for this woman and what she is going through with her dog. Thanks to all that are thinking about making contributions toward Hugo his chair! Pat Tackett Texas __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
ADMIN: Issues with the List
If you have problems, if you are postponed and you don't think you should be, if you have any questions of any kind whatsoever, please DO NOT under any circumstances send emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] They do not manage the Berner-L, I do with the able assistance of the error crew. All that sending emails to the listmgr does is annoy them and they have to find time to pass the message along to me eventually. I have said this before and I can't seem to get people to understand. I swear I'm just going to start deleting people who do this. Can you tell I have a migraine? If you have questions or issues, email me. I'll be happy to help. Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Berner database
I submitted information to the Berner Garde genealogical site a several weeks ago, and have been checking back to see if our guy, Baypaths Oberon V Tallpines has been included in the family tree. He has not. I also noticed that only two of his siblings are listed when I know that he had more. A few questions: Who is responsible to send in the listings? Will he be included from my own submission/information as the owner? Is the list still active? This is very important to me as we have just lost our 10 year old guy, and I want him to be remembered for posterity. Many thanks, Ann Lee Fuller
Hugo and His Stroke, is there a chance?
A lot has gone on with this big sweet fella and I just wanted to put my 2 cents in. I have not dealt with dogs and strokes as much to my regret I listened to the vet when my Max was 17yrs old and had a stroke. He would get up and fall over etc. Even tho' he was seventeen yrs old up until the stroke he acted like a puppy, never ever sick. I know in my heart today, there was a chance, as since that time I had the pleasure to help many a stroke patient ,human , work their way back with the proper tools! and encouragement and patience. The emergency with Hugo is his size and down for this length of time. He must get mobile or the organs will fail and time is of the utmost importance. Doggone was so nice in setting up this account as they know the importance of Hugie's being mobile. They have never done this before but jumped right in as I feel they love dogs, not just in it for profit, and know the urgency of this chair for this giant! Donna is the one looking in his eyes and seeing a spark still there. I have a pic taken January 30th , prior to the Robaxin, which shows his sparkle there in his eyes. And once again Hugie is fighting to come back to Donna and we can give him the chance. We can all pull with love in our hearts and help this fella before it is too late. It takes two weeks to build a chair...a chair that can help this buddy in his fight. Then it will be there for the next furkidJust think the next one may be yours and what that two week wait can do!! Bless you all for your kindness and support of Hugie and Donna. I only wish I had given my boy a chance, now I want Hugie to have his! Rusty C praying for that small miracle
Re: Funny habit
Julia wrote : Whenever my husband comes home, she races around the house to find a beat-up old stuffed duck they dogs play with. She will not go and greet Matt until she has it in her mouth, and she will not quit pestering him until he takes the duck from her. She is serious about this - 99% of the time she is submissive to Max. She rarely ever touches the duck except for this ritual, and she doesn't do this when I come home (I think my feelings are hurt!!). It's completely endearing, but we're wondering if anyone can explain the doggy psychology of this habit. Julia , I don't if this the answer you're looking for , but my Hannah does the same thing :-). And if she can't find her stuffed airplane/train/firetruck (complete with sound effects) , she'll grab ANYTHING that's not nailed down ! But Hannah MUST have SOMETHING to offer us upon greeting , LOL ! She didn't hurt my shoe the one time she grabbed it , either. Just slobbered a little. Maybe it has something to do with pack mentality ?? Ive seen specials on TV about wild canines and when the parents come home from hunting , the pups trigger the adults to regurgitate food for them. Maybe it's something along the same lines ?? I'm glad to know Hannah isn't alone in her neurosis , though ! Laurie MontoyaS. Central PA w/ Hannah and Shelby the Wonder Mutt (who does not do this)
Re: harness
From: Andrea Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Berner-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: harness has anyone used a harness that inhibits pulling with their dog. i am not talking about a halti or gentle leader, just an old fashioned no pull harness? thanks andrea Pulling on the leash is one of my least favorite doggie habits (lunging is the other.) Here's a brilliant deterrent that doesn't need any special harness. With a 6 soft leash make a 'suitcase.' Lay the leash (still attached to the collar ring) along the dog's spine and hold it in place just above where the back legs meet the torso. Reach around with your other hand and bring the leash under the body and up under the leash where you're holding it at the spine. The leash will make a twist when it comes up under that point. Presto!!! a no-pull harness. When the dog pulls the leash will tighten around the loin and they'll stop pulling. This method was developed by a very wonderful British trainer; Sylvia Bishop. If you ever get a chance to take a lesson from her, drop everything and go! Just be prepared with your Kevlar vest, she launches some sharp arrows at the human team members. Don't ask how I know this :-) Marjie
Re: Doggon Wheels, et al
Before everyone runs off on their own here, do figure out a way to coordinate efforts! I know that Andrea Brin jumped on this right after the issue caem up, and it would be beneficial to know what she has done before everyone starts talking with individual companies. We're a crowd that likes to help, and I think that's fantastic! But I hate to see all sorts of wasted effort, and I hate to think that we'll wind up getting some of the wheel manufacturers upset with us! Andrea, this is your baby, how's it going? I think you were coordinating with BEHAF too? Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Re: Doggon Wheels, et al
Pat, Your right we shouldn't be all running in circles. My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong Andrea) Doggon' Wheels had been contacted about a chair trying to get a 'refurbished' one. I've heard from someone else trying to find out what's happening at Doggon' Wheels with Hugo that getting a chair to refurbish especially for a Berner the size of Hugo is next to nil. I believe Melissa Z. was contacting someone about making one but not sure what status is on that ideal. I personally have confidence in Doggon' Wheels and their expertise on making a quality chair substantial enough for Hugo and his needs. Donna has gone to San Diego today for Hydrotherapy and won't be home til late and most likely won't be on the PC until late tonight. Hugo's account has $200 so far we need $400 and as I understand it the chair will take up to 2 weeks to make. I hope we don't waste another 2 weeks just trying to help Donna out -- I know this community can help her out with these finances how many subscribers do we have now over 1200? I haven't checked lately. I would hate to see more time pass, talk is cheap and I feel Donna was left hanging last week hoping things were coming along. We now have things in gear and Doggon' has stepped up to the plate to help this dog let's do our part as well. I know that once Hugo has no need for his chair Donna will let others if they need one have use of it. just my .02 on Doggon' Wheels, et al Pat T. Texas --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before everyone runs off on their own here, do figure out a way to coordinate efforts! I know that Andrea Brin jumped on this right after the issue caem up, and it would be beneficial to know what she has done before everyone starts talking with individual companies. We're a crowd that likes to help, and I think that's fantastic! But I hate to see all sorts of wasted effort, and I hate to think that we'll wind up getting some of the wheel manufacturers upset with us! Andrea, this is your baby, how's it going? I think you were coordinating with BEHAF too? Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
Advertising 2003 Specialty
PLEASE CROSS POST! We are coming down to the wire for adverting in the show catalog. This Saturday, February 15th is the deadline! So. put the finishing touches on your ad and mail them off to Laura ASAP! Please contact Laura Woosley with any questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 928-753-7110. Thank you Lynne Hawkinson BMDCA Show Chair - 2003 http://www.bmdcaspecialty.org/2003/
Trophies 2003 Specialty
PLEASE CROSS POST! The deadline for trophy donations is just a few short days away - Saturday, February 15! To be included in the show catalog with your donation we must hear from you ASAP! We still have quite a few classes available, with Draft ($25) Agility ($30) still needing the most sponsorships. To find out if a class is still available to sponsor please contact Sue. If you have already pledged a class and have not paid please be sure we receive your check before the deadline so you can be recognized in the catalog! Contact Sue German with any trophy questions. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 928-636-5288 Thank you Lynne Hawkinson BMDCA Show Chair - 2003 http://www.bmdcaspecialty.org/2003/
Puppies coming home
Hi everyone, My First baby boy berner is coming home next weekend! I am so excited. I have seen many supply lists for puppy readiness, but i figured i would come to the experts. If anyone has the prefect berner puppy supply list please let me know. Thank you, Jenn (and soon Charlie)
Re: Doggon Wheels, et al
This was not done to handicap Andrea or BEHAF in anyway, it was done to expedite the chair for Hugie! I also thought it was 'on top of' and so yesterday called doggone to see how the production was going only to find there was no production and to just start the chair they needed 75% of the total amount. Yes, Melissa was getting plans for building one but Donna did not trust her building abilities so yes, the fund is started at the company. At this point if folks mail checks to one place then that place waits for them to clear then has to mail the funds the two weeks for the chairs production would have passed. Hugo needs this chair yesterday, it still must be built. So instead of hashing whose baby it is and talking back and forth more and wasting more time. Let's work together and get this chair in production . Bet Ellen with her horse sense can tell ya what immobility does to a giant. So yes, let's work together, time is already lost and Hugo is still down, let's get him up and give him a chance, who cares 'who's baby' it isit is Donna's baby Hugo that matters. I tain't no talker when time is a wasting .. Thanx to whoever donated this daythank you so muchwe are that much closer to starting the chair ! Rusty C praying for a small miracle What one does is what counts and not what one had the intentions of doing - Pablo Picasso
RE: Doggon Wheels, et al
i could not agree more. i am calling in my donation in a few minutes. checks are not the way to go in this case unless we can just take some of the donated money from stevie and earmark it for hugo and someone lay out the money until the check is received. i would be willing to do that. sort of like a loan. i never wanted this to be my project. i just used all the resources i could to help find someone to make or donate a chair. actually doggon were not the only people who responded. everyone is so impressed by the love of this community, they jumped right in. this is not about our egos it is about hugo's health. andrea, woofit and chi shavertown, pa http://www.brin.org/Woofit_and_Chi/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rusty C Wingate Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:22 PM To: Pat Long Paul Dangel Cc: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List Subject: Re: Doggon Wheels, et al This was not done to handicap Andrea or BEHAF in anyway, it was done to expedite the chair for Hugie! I also thought it was 'on top of' and so yesterday called doggone to see how the production was going only to find there was no production and to just start the chair they needed 75% of the total amount. Yes, Melissa was getting plans for building one but Donna did not trust her building abilities so yes, the fund is started at the company. At this point if folks mail checks to one place then that place waits for them to clear then has to mail the funds the two weeks for the chairs production would have passed. Hugo needs this chair yesterday, it still must be built. So instead of hashing whose baby it is and talking back and forth more and wasting more time. Let's work together and get this chair in production . Bet Ellen with her horse sense can tell ya what immobility does to a giant. So yes, let's work together, time is already lost and Hugo is still down, let's get him up and give him a chance, who cares 'who's baby' it isit is Donna's baby Hugo that matters. I tain't no talker when time is a wasting .. Thanx to whoever donated this daythank you so muchwe are that much closer to starting the chair ! Rusty C praying for a small miracle What one does is what counts and not what one had the intentions of doing - Pablo Picasso
Re: Hugo and His Stroke, is there a chance?
Hi, Our Andi was active as could be, ran so fast up 4 steps and across the deck that she'd come sliding into the house out of control. She was over ten years old. Just overnight she became like a person who had spun in circles and then tried to walk. She wobble then crash. He head had a slight tilt. We went to the vet, ran tests, etc. We were told she had suffered a stroke and would not get better, probably soon would have another and worsen. After some time we decided she was losing her dignity unable to hold her urine, wetting herself. We made the awful decision to let her go. She was 10 years, eight months old. Several months later I was talking to an ole timer vet and described Andi's stoke and how we'd had to put her down. He said, Honey, I hate to tell you this but strokes are not that common in dogs. What you've described sounds like Old Dog Vestibular Syndrome and it can be successfully treated. I was heartbroken. I researched the disease and thought it was important to get out the word so that Andi's possible premature death would not be in vain. I sent the info. to Elizabeth Pearson it was published in the Alpenhorn. As then, I hope now this info. could help Hugo, and other Bernese who may be incorrectly diagnosed and given a premature death sentence. I would have spent any amount of money to save my girl, but I did not know about this ailment in time. I will look up the info. and post the address to the list. It may not be of help in this case, but if it saves one Bernese it is worth sharing to me, in rememberance of: CH. Blue Mt. Andi Dasso's Swissmiss - Our Andi girl. In our hearts forever. Bernerly, Mary Jeff Mary Chapdelaine SnoBear Berners N. California, USA http://snobear.freeyellow.com When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself. Wayne Dyer - Psychotherapist, Author and Speaker
For Sylvia
Hello, Sylvia, Did you see this? Franny/South Carolina
Re: Hugo and His Stroke, is there a chance?
- Original Message - From: Jeff Mary Chapdelaine - SnoBear . I will look up the info. and post the address to the list. It may not be of help in this case, but if it saves one Oh, Mary, I cried for you ...and me...the if onlys they are hard to bear. I would love to know this info, Please do share. Rusty C Good Company
Old Dog Vestibular Syndrome
Here are a couple sights on Old Dog or Canine Vestibular syndrome. (Young dogs can get it too.) Everyone should read them as many vets do not reccognize the symptoms as this disease. I'm still searching for one other sight I had. http://ilil.essortment.com/dogearproblems_rmib.htm http://www.peoriahs.org/vestibular.html Bernerly, Mary Jeff Mary Chapdelaine SnoBear Berners N. California, USA http://snobear.freeyellow.com When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself. Wayne Dyer - Psychotherapist, Author and Speaker
RE: Berner database
Pat Long wrote: And yes, it is very important, and we all appreciate your efforts to get all the data submitted, I'll just apologize for any delays - I think some of them are my fault for not picking it up quickly enough! But I am working on it!! Pat, Don't you DARE apologize!! I mean, you can if you want, don't let me stop you BUT I just want you to know there is absolutely no reason for you to. THANK YOU SO MUCH for taking this on. It is a huge job even it you are doing it for the interim. It can be a little confusing because of there being non-internet and internet versions of the database. The updates as I understand it, go into the non-internet database first. This is also the database that is used to generate hard copy reports and pedigrees (for a small fee). Eventually the internet version of the database gets updated - but as I understand it, this does require some effort and is not something that is done on a daily or even weekly basis. Berner-Garde is an amazing source of information and it is exciting to see more pet owners taking the initiative to enter their dogs in this database, even if their breeder doesn't help (I am a breeder who does help facilitate getting health data on pups I have bred, into this database). THANK YOU PAT! Sharon Montville - Firstrax Bernese - Colorado P.S. For those who have never visited Berner-Garde - Here are some names to use to browse in Berner-Garde at www.bernergarde.org (with titles omitted): Woodmoor's Evening Star Woodmoor's Black Diamond Nashems Solid Searcher Firstrax Tanzanight __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: be suspicious of ANY ads selling dogs
I posed this question to Ruth Reynolds several months ago - rhetorically - and will do the same here. How many of us buy a car the same way today as we did 20 or even 10 years ago? Information is power. When Consumer Reports empowered the buying public with information on how to buy a car, dealerships were forced to undergo a sea change. We even saw the creation of a whole new mark - the Saturn, with an entirely new pricing scheme. All because this little magazine turned over the rock to expose the way the auto industry REALLY worked when it came to selling vehicles. Now, are there still people out there who pay the sticker price? Sure. The willfully ignorant, like the poor, will always be with us. But those numbers shrink each year. The same can be said for the puppy buying public. Each of us who gets involved in education and information disbursal can have the same effect on the puppy business as Consumer Reports had on the auto business. I absolutely believe in 10 years, possibly less, the notion of the completely ignorant puppy buyer will be more the exception than the rule, and the filthy underbelly of the puppy industry will be exposed for all to see. The very fact that the bad breeders and puppy producers have had to adopt our language (OFA's, health clearances, guarantees, etc.) indicates the influence we have already gained with the PPO's out there. The downside is the exploiters have become smarter and more savvy in their presentations to PPOs making it more difficult to spot them, the upside is, they have been forced to run tests on their dogs that they would never have even thought of doing before. Now our challenge is to keep ahead of them in terms of our ongoing public education, and to be better salesmen. I think the PPO's I talk to are always impressed when I tell them that I am a volunteer and have no financial stake in whatever decision they make. This, at the end of the day, makes my advice more credible simply because I DON'T have any financial agenda. Hey, whatever works. Mary and the girls, Laurel and Bailey, in for the long haul... Fayetteville, GA
Hugo's chair...almost there!!!!
Mel from doggone emailed at 5:37 that Hugo's Quad Chair is at $450! We are almost there, $150 more and it is definitely in production You guys are great...I am sure Donna will be in tears of joy when she finds out what you have done! Thanx to everyone for this outpouring of a helping hand for one sweet fella. Rusty C Good Company
Whew! BIG Relief! Moses' first post-chemo tests...
Yesterday, my dogs' regular veterinarian removed the few remaining staples from Moses' amputation site, drew blood for testing, and sent out the urine from Moses that I had brought to be tested, per request Angell Memorial Animal Hospital. We were concerned about the specific gravity of Moses' urine, which was low enough on February 3 that Angell changed one of his chemotherapy drugs for his final in a series of chemotherapy treatments for bone cancer. And, chemotherapy can effect the blood cell count, of course. Everything, including specific gravity is normal. Blood is fine and urine is fine and the clinic will fax the results to Angell. I know that I shall sleep better tonight having received this good news. I am concerned about the crepitus in Moses' remaining rear leg, even though it is to be expected from use but Moses' appears to be moving about fine and has little difficulty climbing on the couch and getting into the van; I just need to help him a very little bit. Lisa Allen _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Healthy Teeth
It's been so long since I've posted, I'm hoping this works. Does anyone have any secrets to healthy teeth and gums for a Berner who isn't a chewer? - Original Message - From: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: BERNER-L digest 4265 BERNER-L Digest 4265 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: auction update by Laura Lopez Mendez [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) Hugo's puzzle - and hopes of water therapy by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Raffle by Laura Lopez Mendez [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Re.Photo wanted. by Willem Wijnberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) Pat Long Photos by Pat Long Paul Dangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) RE: Re.Photo wanted. by Pat Long Paul Dangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7) FW: Re.Photo wanted. by Pat Long Paul Dangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) Youngest Bernese Sire by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9) Re: Youngest Bernese Sire by Eileen Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) Re: Youngest Bernese Sire by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) Don't block the Berner-l, email me if you want off by Sylvia Katvala [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12) RE: Elbow dysplasia surgery? by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13) RE: trying to get information by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14) Response to Michaela's post by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15) RE: Trever lump! by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16) RE: Puppy ate a bully stick! or s**t happens by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17) RE: He's afraid of his crate by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18) RE: Food for thought--playing iwth a lab by Nancy Melone [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19) Re: BERNER-L digest 4264 by The Big Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20) The Results are in by Disler, Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21) Potomac Valley BMDC 2003 Specialty by Disler, Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22) RE: Fussy eaters? by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23) RE: Food for thought by Rose Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24) shots by Jan Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25) Re: masticatory myositis (longish) by Wendy Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 26) Re: [INWBMDC] Berners Win Again!! by Dino Candelaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27) Berner in Shelter by Nobles.Carrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 28) RE: Berner in Shelter by Andrea Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Selling dogs in the newspaper
Last night's news investigative report on Channel 7 Boston really shocked me. I consider myself rather savvy where the doings in the dog world are concerned but was not prepared for the terrible conditions that I witnessed which constitute the sad reality behind ALOT of these newspaper ads. That these people are so brazen and that so little is done to regulate such came as a bigger surprise to me than perhaps it should have. Sure, I knew to be suspicious of newspaper ads...whom among who has been on the Internet does not, but Channel 7 should be complimented on doing a real eye-opening report on what is happening behind closed doors. And, it is inconceivable to me that someone, anyone can treat another, particularly a dependent creature in this manner; really, it boggles my mind...Geez, I get worried/upset if one of mine even sneezes or appears not to be enjoying a toy that I just bought for them. I studied the pet ads in today's paper with a more educated eye; it sickened me to read one that basically said something like Puppies, big or small, we can get 'em all. Heaven help these poor dogs. Lisa Allen _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Hey, did anyone catch the NBC Nightly News...
with Tom Brokaw (or however the heck he spells his name)! There was a brief bit at the end about Westminster and who would be the very first dogs that get shown on the TV but two absolutely lovely Berners trotting down the hallway! Anyone we know?? Made my heart pitter-patter! Cindy = Cindy Buhner and Paws (the BARC boy) Help a good cause www.barcinc.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: Old Dog Vestibular Syndrome
Dear Mary, Hello! this is from one of dog-lovers in Japan. Thank you for your infomation regarding to Old Dog Vestibular Syndrome. I read your posting for Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List and just visited those sites you kindly mentioned. Yes !..., those stories made me remember my late Taro (Akita) who also suffered of this disease. He got it at his age of 12 years 6 month. He went to the Bridge at his age of 14 years 10 month not because of this desease but because of heavy diarrhea. I think, if we have good knowlege about this desease, we can teat dog many years even after suffered. Please read my Taro's sour-aweet story at; http://living-with-dogs.com/en/aged/index.html Chapter- [9] Became impossible to stand up any more? and at; http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~inaba/roken.html of which the Home-Page is http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~inaba/ I am sorry in advance since these sites are bilingual in English/Japanese so you may find some funny characters. Please read English portion only ! --- Tadao Inaba (Nagoya, Japan) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~inaba/ ** Aged Dog's Directory is now of 735 friends **
Re: Healthy Teeth
- Original Message - From: Terri Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's been so long since I've posted, I'm hoping this works. Does anyone have any secrets to healthy teeth and gums for a Berner who isn't a chewer? Raw Bones. I never thought I'd be giving raw bones to my dogs, but, Micawber has crappy brown teeth and nasty, puffy gums. I hand him a raw bone, best bet a knuckle bone, and he chews until his gums bleed. Nasty, but, after having a bone twice a week on a regular basis, the teeth are white and the gums receding. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
newborn male coming home to a 2 year old spayed female
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Frequency of Health Problems
Our family is considering a Bernese Mountain Dog as a family pet. All the information we've come across seems to indicate that this would be a perfect fit for our lifestyle and location. I have some questions, though, that I haven't been able to answer yet. Every source I've contacted (mainly the internet and a local vet) mentioned various health problems associated with Berners. I understand from the BMDCA health study that hip and elbow dysplasia, as well as cancers, are a common problem within the breed which contribute to an average lifespan of about 7 years. I'm looking for more information to put this information into perspective and understand what it may mean to our family. How frequently do these issues arise among Berners in comparison to other large breeds? How likely would it be that any one Berner puppy becomes afflicted and dies prematurely? Is this something that Berner owners expect at the outset? What is the likelihood that a Berner would reach 10 years of age or older? Please let me know what you can. I would appreciate any information you can share to help us make the right decision. Thank you. ___ Lianne Delyanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED---* * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * *Mail Lists at Prairienet only accept PLAIN TEXT* * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
