Neutering question
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Boarding in Moab UT, Cortez CO and Sante Fe NM
Hello list, My mother and I are driving from Seattle to Syracuse NY and will be doing some sight-seeing in the South West this August. Yes, I know it's hot, but the opportunity presented itself. Given the heat and the restrictions at the national parks, I'd like to find some places where my 10 month old Berner will be more comfortable during the day. Can anyone recommend good places in these areas? Thank you Deborah Robinson and Henley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: raw food diet? any experiences? and relation to fat dogs
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:47:34 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyways... have any of you experience with a raw food diet? Thanks Ok, here's where I'm going to get into trouble...I'm not wanting to start a war but, my experience with raw food is that I've seen lots of these dogs with beautiful coats happy smiles and fat butts! I mean really lots of folks don't seem to know how much to feed and there are alot of fat BARF fed dogs out there.. Having gotten myself into deep kaka for saying that yes there are fat dogs on kibble too. Just seems for dogs supposed to be so much more healthy on a BARF diet, fat seems to be part of the package. Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
Re: administrative question
To postpone, add, delete, change email addresses, switch from digest to individual, go to: www.berner.org click on: berner-l accounts Or keep my email handy, and just contact me! Good luck with the move!! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
RE: fat berners--show ring
I have received a couple of replies mentioning that extra weight seems necessary in the breed ring. I am not sure this is true. I recently finished a girl who was at her agility weight -- ribs easy to find and very fit. ***I think all of you are right -- from what I have observed in the Midwest, east and in eastern Canada, there are some regional differences/preferences regarding ideal weights/degree if conditioning/body type for the ring and some variation in the preferences of judges. Nancy Melone Pennsylvania
RE: fat berners
I am in total agreement with Molly. When I finished my boy (weight 102 lbs), he was drafting 4 miles a day (we got up at 5 AM every day during the summer because it was too hot to draft later). He was rock solid and more than one judge remarked that he was in absolutely spectacular condition for a Berner. (The drafting every day helped his owner, too!) Nancy Melone Pennsylvania -Original Message- From: Molly Bass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:55 AM To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List Subject: Re: fat berners I have received a couple of replies mentioning that extra weight seems necessary in the breed ring. I think there is a difference between fat weight and muscle weight - to me a berner who is at conformation weight may weigh the same as a fat berner of the same build, however the muscle weighs more than fat and is more evenly distributed on the body. The girl I am showing is hard to keep weight on because she is constant energy - her dad is the same way. A lean berner in good muscle weight will look fatter than a lean berner without the muscle weight and tone, IMO. Molly Charlottesville, VA
Doggy Stew
Yesterday, hubby and I spent the afternoon making doggy stew. I decided to quit buying the canned dogfood I've used for decades, and start making my own. We had a freezer quit a few weeks ago, but managed to catch it in time before everything was spoiled. Lots of meat, and some veggies... So, we fired up the 12q cooker, and made a big mess of stew. We started with white rice (cuz we only have about 10lbs of it) and added assorted ground meats and old venison roast (sliced and diced) that even God did not know how long it had been there! To that we added some green beans, and an odd assortment of other veggies that had thawed and then re-frozen. Also some Top Ramen complete with worms and the sauce pak.oh yeah, and some bullion and garlic. When it was done, we let it set and cool, then fed about 2 cups to the adults (mixed with kibble) and 1 cup to the pups in their kibble, and even gave the outside feral cats some. All the dogs fell on it, and did not come up for air till it was all gone...Oprah (cat) turned her nose up at it, but Fred-Grey (other outside cat) at it till it was AL gone! Stools were still hard and firm this morning. Judy Arneson-Johnson Kielerstar BMD (where the dogs love it when the freezer goes on the blink)
Stevie and Drafting?
Hi All! I would like to obtain information concerning carting. Stevie is miraculously 18 mths old and I would like to try some different things with him. I have a back pack that I put on him when we are out for our many daily walks, he carries only his water and mine. But he just loves to put on his pack and I just get the feeling that he would take to carting or drafting very well. He appears to be a different dog when his pack is on, he seems to listen more carefully and intently. Could all the knowledgeable listers please email me privately concerning this subject. I would like to know how old my fur child needs to be, where and how much the equipment is (this will be an important factor for us), and the various details that we would need to get started. I never ever had the intention of showing Stevie but drafting really seems to be peaking my interest. Thank you all in advance for any info and advice. Just a quick update, Stevie is doing just fine and adapted to apartment living like he had always lived here. I however took a bit longer. I was not prepared for the amount of loneliness I would experience at first, but with Stevie making me get out and about we have met so many people, most of whom have fallen in love with my big boy! Everyday we have a new adventure. He is perfectly healthy and seems completely happy and well adjusted. Things have FINALLY seemed to have settled down. (probably shouldn't have said that!) Thank Heavens! Big Berner Hugs and Kisses Karen and Stevie NB, Canada
Re: fat berners
All this talk of fat Berners has me chuckling a little--Mic is a bone rack. He's a light eater and high energy and basically is just a coiled ball of muscle and fuzz. He weighs about 98 lbs and could use another 10 lbs before he'd even hit an average weight for his frame. He's got a knobby backbone, you can feel every rib without trying, and he tucks up at the end of his ribcage. My vet says he looks thin on an x-ray, organs all high and tight I guess. If he were a smooth coated dog I'm sure people would be calling the ASPCA on me. He gets treats, regular meals, and high cal snacks, and he's almost 5 yrs old now. Actually, he's like my skinny spouse, who eats like a trash compactor and can still get into his high school suit and jeans. The man weighs less than Nessie the Newfie! I was making fun of him recently because he can now were a waist band size larger jeans than he used to . . . he's all the way up to a 28. Gack. Me, I'm like Cassie the Rescue Pyr. Hand me a salad and a roll and I can live for a month on it. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/2003
Re: raw food diet? any experiences? and relation to fat dogs
I won't disagree that a dog can gain weight eating Raw food, but I found that is was much easier to correct feeding Raw. Since you control every aspect of the diet. Feeding kibble when you have to put a dog on a diet, everyone seems to feel they are starving the dog. With Raw fed dogs you increase veggie matter, reduce or eliminate grains .. its so much easier and you don't have to feel that the dog is getting less food. But frankly most Raw fed dogs can be classified asnot tooo skinny. If anyone would like to investigate feeding a Raw Diet please check out the NaturalBerners elist on Yahoo. Teresa, Patriot and Romeo Albuquerque, NM - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: Re: raw food diet? any experiences? and relation to fat dogs
Re: fat berners
I have a question on this topic. My Berner boy is a little over 5 months. He still eats 3 times a day. Can someone go over the logic of eating fewer times a day? I know I'm supposed to reduce it to 2x per day in a month or so... and then at a year (I think), down to only one feeding per day. It seems that it would be more logical for their metabolism to eat more frequently--that's what they tell us humans to do, anyway! ;) Any insight? jenn
Chemo - Experience?
I have to add a dissenting opinion here to what seem to be mostly positive opinions regarding chemo in dogs. My Dash underwent 6 months of chemo (one month concurrently with radiation to his face) for a grade III mast cell tumor that had been surgically removed. Although he had no evidence of cancer after surgery, protocol for a grade III is to follow-up w/chemo and radiation. After three agonizing weeks deciding what to do, we went ahead w/the chemo. Dash had cytoxan (oral) rotated w/vinblastine (IV catheter), along with natural hydrocortisone (instead of pred) for 6 cycles. After each dose, he was a bit tired, and didn't want breakfast for the next few days. Most of the time he seemed 'ok', but I noticed he tired easily on our walks at the park. I pulled him from his agility class and stopped taking him running, since I thought he needed all of his energy to deal with the poisons we were pumping into him. We still did our daily park outings, where he would retrieve his favorite glowball but nothing extra. It wasn't until _months_ after we finished the chemo, that I realized how badly he had felt for those 6 months. It took him about 6 months to be back to his old self. The change was subtle, so I think people often do not recognize it. I also think that chemo is usually done to buy time and the dog is basically getting chemo for the remainder of their life, so the owner never has the chance to see how the dog is feeling after _not_ having chemo for 6 months or so. Rarely is chemo given to dogs for a cure, but that was the only reason I considered it. I know of a couple of other dogs whose owners say the same thing. These were dogs who underwent chemo just in case after having an aggressive tumor removed. At the time the dog was undergoing treatment, the owners didn't think they felt bad. Not until months later did they realize in contrast how badly the dog really was feeling. Just because a dog is eating doesn't mean they are feeling great, in my opinion. I still eat when I'm sick, unfortunately! Also, while all of their hair doesn't fall out, they do blow coat heavily following chemo and what's left looks pretty bad. Dash's coat still isn't back to normal, and he finished chemo Jan 1st, 2003. I know my perspective is colored by the fact that my husband is a physician, who believes in doing the least invasive treatments possible. Just because you _can_ do something medical, doesn't always mean you _should_. My husband and I both agree that the majority of oncologists we know, both human and veterinary are very aggressive w/treatments, and sometimes are so focused on treating the disease, they lose sight of what's best for the patient. I will never know if I made the right decision with Dash. No one knows if the cancer wouldn't have come back anyway, so it will never be proved. I am not judging people who choose to treat their pets with chemo, but I also think those who choose not to do chemo are making just as loving a choice. A dog's life is far too short as it is; spending 6 months of one's life feeling 'under the weather' is a substantial amount of time in a dog's life. Whatever choices a dog's guardian makes, the choice is made with love, which is what matters the most. Jennifer Zaayer Cardiff by the Sea, CA Dash, Ti, Moritz, Dunford and Rocchi
Berner Days at Care-a-Lot Pets Klarsson's Anniversary
Dear List; Just a reminder for those of you within easy driving distance of Norfolk/Virginia Beach, Virginia, Berner Days at Care-a-Lot Pet warehouse is Sunday, August 3, 2003. I would love to have a big showing of Berners so everyone that visits the warehouse that day can see the most beautiful dogs in the world. Also, if you come with your Berner and you purchase anything, you will receive a 5% discount. Please email me privately if you want to join in, need directions, or any further information. Plus, this is an extra-special weekend for Klarsson and me. This is his one-year anniversary of coming to live in my home (I brought him home on August 4, 2002). I would like to take this opportunity to thank Laura Gilliam, again, for the opportunity to become a Berner mom. For those of your who don't know Klarsson, he was returned to Laura at the age of 14 months from his first family. When I started looking for a dog, someone who knew someone who knew that Laura had an adolescent male to place let me know about him and gave me Laura's number. We talked several times and I went to visit and before I knew it, I had a BMD in my car!!! It was a wonderful day, definitely for me, and hopefully for Klarsson as well. Klarsson has adapted well to his new home and his new experiences, although, he's still shy around people. Anyone who met him last year and has seen him recently has nothing to say but good things about his progress. I'm really looking for forward to being a Berner mom for the rest of my life!!! Wendy Keene, Hampton, VA Kasablanca's Making Thyme a.k.a. Klarsson (Mom, can we go to the Bark Park now?) Southern Puppibelle Lilah CGC (I'm the Sheltie and I'm the queen of the homestead)
Re: fat berners
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:04:10 -0400 jenn's visi.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a question on this topic. My Berner boy is a little over 5 months. He still eats 3 times a day. Can someone go over the logic of eating fewer times a day? I know I'm supposed to reduce it to 2x per day in a month or so... and then at a year (I think), down to only one feeding per day. Dogs usually don't eat several meals a day. They are active in the morning and in the evening when it comes to hunting and even then may only eat once in the wild. Depending on what your breeder instructed you to do I recommend twice a day so that they don't gorge themselves each day but split the meal to 2 small bolus. Many people aren't home for a noon time feeding so again twice seems to work out. My dogs are very good at telling time based on their eating patterns. mom, mom it's time to get up and feed me Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara !
Re: Frozen Bones
Allison I buy the marrow bones in bulk and then freeze them. Makes a tasty cook treat in the summer and my dog will work the bone for hours. The backyard looks like a graveyard. Our vet said my dogs teeth are the whitest he has ever seen and I attribute that to the bones. Esta Dalsass NJ
Re: fat berners
Eileen, Sounds like Mic and my Tessa could be litter mates, we call her the coyote berner. It's embarrassing when she's wet, sort of resembles a greyhound. One nice thing though is she is faster than any dog we know, wild bunnies and squirrels beware! Cheryl, Tessa I gain weight just by sniffing the bowl Tanner. --- Eileen Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this talk of fat Berners has me chuckling a little--Mic is a bone rack. He's a light eater and high energy and basically is just a coiled ball of muscle and fuzz. He weighs about 98 lbs and could use another 10 lbs before he'd even hit an average weight for his frame. He's got a knobby backbone, you can feel every rib without trying, and he tucks up at the end of his ribcage. My vet says he looks thin on an x-ray, organs all high and tight I guess. If he were a smooth coated dog I'm sure people would be calling the ASPCA on me. He gets treats, regular meals, and high cal snacks, and he's almost 5 yrs old now. Actually, he's like my skinny spouse, who eats like a trash compactor and can still get into his high school suit and jeans. The man weighs less than Nessie the Newfie! I was making fun of him recently because he can now were a waist band size larger jeans than he used to . . . he's all the way up to a 28. Gack. Me, I'm like Cassie the Rescue Pyr. Hand me a salad and a roll and I can live for a month on it. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/2003 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
The Burmese Mountain Dog
If any of you were curious about the standard for this dog, you can see it here: http://lme.mankato.msus.edu/akcj3/bmd.html It's a spoof of course, but a very well done one! The person who shared it with another List indicated that a berner mix that she knew of looked exactly like this. The mother was a purebred Berner. She also indicated that some of the commercial breeders picked up on this and were offering the breed for sale. Either that or they were offering misspelled Berners, you never know! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
Re: fat berners
In a message dated 07/25/2003 2:05:48 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can someone go over the logic of eating fewer times a day? I know I'm supposed to reduce it to 2x per day in a month or so... and then at a year (I think), down to only one feeding per day. Jenn - More importan t than how many times a day your dog eats is how much food is the dog getting over the day. If you want to keep feeding three times a day and it is convenient for you, just figure out the total amount of food the dog should consume per day and divide into three meals. Both my adult dogs are fed twice a day as it is convenient for me and does not leave their bellies empty as long so I get less of the bile regurgitation that some dogs do when they have empty stomachs. Anne Copeland (Flash CGC, TDIA, 9 yrs. old, Berner; Gypsy CGC, TDI, 2 yrs. old, Cavalier) Northern Illinois [EMAIL PROTECTED], Corr. Sec. BMDCA
Re: Fat Berners,
Have been watching earlier mails re. fat berners wth great interest! I have three now. My Sunny, Sim and Barney! At the moment neutered Barney and spayed Sunny remain on very strict diets! They have only to sniff food to put on weight! Intact Sim seems to eat much more and shake off the pounds. They all get the same exercise! I try to keep them healthy but believe me only takes a friend coming over with exra treats and, I swear, next day Sunny and Barney will have added a pound or two and was only one biscuit!!! I restrict treats! They get their main meals and sometimes I feel guilty because Sunny and Barney eat so little! I supplement with extra low calorie veggies to give them some bulk and we walk miles! They remain fit and healthy but keeping their weight down is a constant battle! Sim, intact male, no problem! Had a similar thing with my Rainbow Bridge Bernese, Sam and Tinka! Sam, intact, never put on weight, Tinka who went to fourteen, spayed bitch, was always on very strict diet and walked eight miles a day until her last week! Keep those Berners Fit, Healthy and TrimLine! All Love, Jean, Sunny, Sim, Barney and the Longlease Gang http://bernese.biz
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Re: Only in America
Many thanks Herb!! Have just added to the Humour Page! So Funny! So Sad! Catch the recent Longlease Updates Love Us All XXX http://bernese.biz
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Re: Fat Berners- adding fiber
Hi all, Adding green beans or canned pumpkin is a great way to help your Berners feel full and still be able to decrease the actual food amount. You might have to play with the amount of beans/pumpkin for each dog. One thing to watch for is diarrhea. Too much fiber will give a dog diarrhea, so if that happens just cut down the amount of beans/pumpkin. I cut Chance's food back this past spring. He was getting a tad heavy at 88 lbs and I wanted him to be down around 80 lbs or so. Was I surpised at his next weight check to find out that I'd taken more weight off him than I had originally intended- he was down to 74 lbs! I increased his food again by 1/2 cup each meal and he's been steady at 74 lbs since then. And while he appears thin visually, he's not too thin and with bad knees, thin is better anyway. Cheers, Andrea Stefanac Chance CD NDD CGC TT Barkley Richmond, VA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
