Re: Gentle Leader
> My dog has been wearing the Gentle Leadere since last July and still rubs and throws himself on the ground when I first put it on. I either ignore or give him a good tug on the lead. Esta- I would not recommend giving a "good tug" on the lead when your dog is wearing a Gentle Leader. It could cause injury to the cervical spine. The central nervous system, which runs through the spine is the pathway for the impulses that help maintain healthy organs, joints, etc. I have used the Gentle Leader as a learning tool. Walk nicely and I slip the nose band off. Act up and it goes back on. I don't think many dogs like it, but if used correctly, it is a great tool. My goal is to get the dog to walk without it. It took me from the time my first Berner was 17 months old, until he was 3 to accomplish that. Ignore it, or stick a particularly wonderful treat under his/her nose. They will get up and walk. Remember, it is a "gentle" leader. Tugging is not "gentle". JMHO, Janice Parky Certified Chiropractic Assistant (among many other things..) Cape Cod, MA
Re: Suspicious advertising?
Barbara- Thank you for sharing your experience and feelings with the list. Having once, not so long ago, been in your position, I am always interested in the thoughts of people who are looking for a Berner and trying to be an educated PPO. I am not a breeder, so I can't comment on the "need to advertise", but I think your initial feeling that puppies advertised in a newspaper, especially with an out of state phone number are questionable. Every one of the reasons you stated that breeders gave you for lack of AKC papers, orthopedic or eye clearances, etc. is a big red flag in my book. Thank you for being turned off by a webshot of a chained puppy. You have all the right standards, you just need to find the right breeder for you. Sometimes it means leaving your own backyard. Have you joined your local Breed Club? That is a great place to start. Most clubs have "fun matches" where breeders may be more approachable than at a show. As for the price issue. What were the breeders asking for a price? What do you expect to pay for your Berner? Please bear in mind that the cost of a dog, whether a Berner or not is only the starting point. My first Berner had a few thousands of dollars in surgeries in his first 10 months! If cost is a consideration, than try to maximize your odds by really researching the health and orthopedic history of any dog you consider. There are no guarantees. Medical expenses are not always associated with "inferior breeding" they can happen in the best of breedings. You need to find the breeding that you are most comfortable with the odds. >> > But finally to my question. Is this normal to see these things within the > breed? Am I right in assuming that these are unscrupulous breeders? Within all breeds, all businessmen, all tradesmen, all politicians, all humans. Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: Question
Susan- Have they tried a Chiropractor? That would be my next thought. Or, an MRI, if the dog seemed to be in pain. Many human Chiropractors will adjust dogs, if there is not a veterinary chiropractor in the area. It can't hurt and it may help. An MRI, would show more than an xray. Expensive, though. Good luck to your friends Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: Long Weekend Away
Esta- I don't think there is a "right or wrong" answer to your question. It depends on your dog or dogs, and their temperament. It also depends on the care they will receive at home versus the care they will receive at a kennel. I have done both. My older laid back dogs were fine at home with a caretaker coming in 2-3 times per day. As they aged and became more stressed at being left home alone, I found they did better in a kennel. It seemed as if being at home alone was stressfull-in a kennel situation they had enough attention and distractions to occupy they. I visited and researched the "local" kennels and at that time the one I would trust with my dogs was and hour away, but worth it. When I got my first Berner, we had planned a vacation beforehand, and so I found a friend who would stay in my house with a 4 month old puppy. As the time approached, and I began to understand my puppy, I realized that I would be more relaxed with him in the kennel of my choice than at home with someone who, although they loved dogs, did not have the experience with Berner type dogs that I wanted. I was more comfortable with him at the kennel. He did well and I enjoyed my vacation. I have had 3 Berners (only 3, I know.). All very dog and people social. Leaving them at home with a live in trusted person (my children or a Berner sitter I know) is preferrable. But, I'd rather have them in a kennel then home alone with someone coming in 3 times a day. They would be lonely, as they are used to a lot of human companionship. I am fortunate to now have a nearby kennel that offers play time, and lots of TLC. I have never had a bad kennel experience with my dogs. Again, you need to research the kennel. I also feel that the kennel experience may help with the stress of having to leave ones dog at the vet if necessary. Maybe it's just another part of socialization??? Janice Parky Halley and Wrigley Cape Cod, MA
Counter surfing
Does anyone have any creative ways to discourage counter surfing? At 4 months, Wrigley has discovered the abundance of treats above his head. Training my family not to leave food out is impossible, although I am determined to try. I suddenly value the single life.A firm (as in loud, screaming) "NO" when caught in the act does not faze him. This morning, after our walk, I wiped his muddy paw prints off the counter. He may think he is clever, but he left a trail of evidence behind. He was attempting to reach some defrosting chicken left there by my husband who has already witnessed his chicken thievery, but apparently thought he'd ignore it this time At lunch time, I listened to my 17 year old say, "Mom, Wrigley is eating a plastic bag." As he stood there and watched. I grabbed it out of his mouth. The sandwich roll was gone. I rescued the wrapper. Just before dinner, I managed to salvage the wedge of Brie he had scarfed up. I unwrapped it so no one would see the teeth marks in the wrapper. It was enjoyed by all, except Wrigley and Halley. I use postive training methods, but goD forgive me, when he went for my glass of Chardonnay tonight, I resorted to spraying him in the face with a spray bottle full of water. He loved it! Any advice would be appreciated. His breeder warned me, and if she is laughing at me... Sigh, Janice Parky, Halley and Wrigley Cape Cod, MA
Re: peeyuw farts!!
> I have a lovely question to ask. My girl farts like you wouldn't believe- mostly at night and mostly when she's going up stairs (exertion farts!). My boy doesn't fart at all- hmmm. > Does anyone have a great insight into the gastrointestinal system of my lovely and stinky little bitch? I have no great insite, just my own experience with Halley and her Halley-atosis. Different end, but both I think are digestive problems. Halley had breath that could curl your hair and at age 2, tartar on her teeth. I added Nupro to her diet, which at the time was a chicken based raw diet. Her breath improved immensely. I had her teeth cleaned and the tartar has not returned. Then, due to the difficulty of getting raw chicken necks in my area, adding another dog to the family and my laziness, I switched her to 'Back to Basics," a high quality chicken based kibble. The bad breath returned. She is now off all chicken products, still getting Nupro in her food and her breath is sweet. It may help to try different foods with your girl. She may be less tolerant of one over another. Whether you feed kibble or raw, it seems as if something is not agreeing with her. I also found Nupro which is full of digestive enzymes to be helpful. Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Teething question
Never one to be afraid to ask a "stupid" question.. Do dogs drool more when they are "teething" the way human babies do? The thought just occurred to me. Or, am I destined to have that lovely "Berner Patina" on my floors forever Slippin' and a Slidin" Janice Parky Halley and Wrigley
Re: Cats and Dogs
I'd be curious to hear what others have to say about this too. I have a female cat who refused to use the litterbox (she was an inside/outside cat), after I got another kitten. Her preferred method of expressing her dissatisfaction was to pee on the bed in the spare room. This behavior stopped after we lost the second cat. She obviously did not like to share her litterbox. A different scenario from adding a dog to the household, for sure, but if anyone has any insite into feline behavior, I'd be interested. For those of you who plan on visiting me, not to worry. The spare bed mattress has been disposed of..... Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA > I have a question that's not directly related to our 11 month old Berner, > Gertie...at least I hope it's not. Specifically, the question concerns our > two cats. Prior to bringing Gertie into our home, the two cats were well > trained with the litter pans. About 3 weeks ago, we started noticing small > wet spots on the floor. Then, this morning we caught them in the act...BOTH > cats urinating right there on the rug.
Counter Surfing
Thank you ALL for your advice on "beaching" my counter "surfer". The obvious answer is to keep all food off the countersunfortunately, I do not live alone, and my stealth bomber waits until your back is turned for a nano-second during food preparation. I am going to catalog the many suggestions and use Wrigley as a test for each method. I'll let you all know what he responds to, it anything. The idea that it is genetic and cannot be countermanded is a bit deflating, but we will perservere. Wrigley took his surfing to a new level this morning. He snagged an open bottle of foot powder off the bathroom vanity table and gleefully ran through the house biting it, which caused the powder to spew everywhere, living room, kitchen, dining room. FYI, foot powder can be vacuumed off the carpets, but needs to be washed off the hardwood floors.at least twice Where is Daisy Crifasi and her surfing knowlege when you need her?? Janice Parky, Halley and Wrigley, Cape Cod, MA
Re: Stubborn berner, social puppy
Hi Terry- My first Berner was very similar to your girl. I dislike the term "stubborn" as it has a negative connotation. I referred to him as "willful". Willful can be a good thing, but you have to shape the willful behavior which is more of a challenge than training an "easy" dog. Mary-Ann has given you some great advice on dealing with specific behaviors. I found that by enrolling in an obedience class, even though my guy already knew how to sit, down, stay, heel, made a world of difference. For both of us. It reinforced the "you are working for me" bond between us. I think we may tend "slack off" in public to avoid a situation that requires work. I noticed a major difference in my guys behavior once we went back to basic obedience. Also, remember that at 11 months, your girl is a teenager. Teenagers, both human and canine test the limits. It's their job to keep us on our toes! Janice Parky Halley and Wrigley Cape Cod, MA > There is a difference between not sufficiently motivated and stubborn. Being > stubborn has a lot of negative implications that are not especially helpful > in training situations. It is much less frustrating to consider that the > handler has simply not found the right motivation. In addition, thinking of > things in this way gives the control back to the owner. > > Some thoughts... First, since she loves other dogs so much, turn it into a > reward. I would start with easy things first but the idea is to teach the > dog that following directions results in big fun. Tell the other dog owner > to please stay back a bit and then have your puppy sit. When she sits, > release her to say hi to the other dog. Work up to walking away from other > dogs before she is allowed to go play. > > Second, get better treats and walk her before meals. Find something she > loves and only use it when she leaves desirable situations -- as soon as she > does it. Leaving a desired situation might be as small as just looking at > you instead of the other dog at first -- think baby steps when training. > > Third, reduce the temptation -- stay far from other dogs until you can > reliably get and keep her attention. None of us mastered the finer points of > swimming by being tossed in the pool -- again, think baby steps. > > Fourth, consider doing absolutely nothing when she rolls over and won't > move -- just ignore her but make sure no other people or dogs come to her. > She will get tired of this soon enough and when she gets up and even looks > in your direction, start popping out the grand treats. > > It also sounds as there might be some relationship issues, and so I would > work on training to build more respect. There are some great trainers who > remind all of us that if we want the dog's attention, we have to be worth > paying attention to, which is harder than it seems. In addition to basic > obedience, agility is a very fun way to build a relationship with a dog. > > Good Luck > > Mary-Ann Bowman > >
Re: New parent
Hi Andie! If I were your friend and I found the information on neutering given to me by my breeder conflicting, I'd ask my breeder what he/she meant. Does she have a contractural obligation to neuter the dog? If so, it should be spelled out clearly. If it isn't, she should contact her breeder. As for feeding, every breeder will have different recommendations for their pups. Her breeder would know what he/she feels is the diet her dogs do the best on. Once again, these are questions she should be asking her breeder. If her breeder is not available to her then the info given by the breeders on this list will provide opinions, but they are just opinions. Every dog is different. I was in a similar situation (no breeder contact), with my first Berner. I did a lot of research, listened to others opinions (lots of opinions!!!) and had many "trials and errors". It taught me the value of a responsible breeder who would be a partner with me throughout the life of my dog. Janice Parky, Halley and Wrigley Cape Cod, MA
Re: update on Briar
> One question: if you are not breeding your dog, is OFA or PENNhip testing > >just for your own piece of mind?? Is there any other reason? Hi Angela! I can answer that for you. It is not about peace of mind. Somehow owning a Berner and "peace of mind" seem incongruous. My first Berner was horribly displastic. When I fell in love with him, 5 years ago, I had no idea how serious HD could be. Thanks to the Berner L and people like Pat Long, Ellen Barnaby and others, I began to really understand the genetic complications in this breed. I now have a 2 year old BARC female. I had her OFA'd and PennHIP'ed for a few reasons. First, because she is a BARC pup, to supply information that may help stop the importation of puppies into this country to be sold at auction. Second, because this is a tool I can use to make my girls life as accomodating and healthy as she deserves. I do not understand why any Berner owner would NOT want to know if their dog had an orthopedic problem. Halley shows no signs of HD. She runs like a Border Collie, never, okay, rarely has all four feet on the floor, and does agility training. So, without her xrays, I would think she had excellent hips! BUT, knowing she is an OFA "fair" and has a PennHIP score in the 10th percentile, I know I need to keep her lean, exercise her appropriately, and give her supplements that will help to maintain her. I know breeders who request that their puppies, whether purchased for "pet" or "show", have their hips and elbows rated. It seems to me that if one is producing puppies, and wants to know what they are producing, this is valuable information. JMHO Janice Parky Halley and Wrigley Cape Cod, MA
Re: OFA/PennHIP
> I do not like PennHip for determining orthopedics for the same reaons > Dawn stated - it doesn't help with the issue of elbows. This breeding discussion is very interesting to non-breeders like me. I have also found previous discussions about OFA vs PennHIP interesting. I just had my 2 year old BARC girl evaluated by both OFA and PennHIP. It was not required by BARC, but I wanted the information for myself. Halley has OFA "fair" hips. 1 xray view. Her PennHIP scores were in the 10th percentile as compared to Bernese Mountain Dogs. 3 xray views. This means that 90% of Berners have better hips than she has. PennHIP also tells me she has no evidence of DJD. So, as a "novice" what do I think? That PennHIP has given me more information about my dogs hips. Would a breeder breed a dog with OFA "fair" hips? Perhaps, given the other factors that weigh in. Would a breeder breed a dog with hips that are in the 10th percentile for BMD's? I think that in a breed with the incidence of HD that Berner's have, that the 10th percentile is pretty risky. I feel her PennHip ratings are more accurate and give me more information. If elbow xrays are necessary as well, so be it. It is the cost of owning a Berner. My Halley-Storm does agility training, runs like the wind and leaps like a kangaroo. I am happy to spend money on gaining knowlege on my dogs. BARC pet dog, whatever. I like to know what I am dealing with and what my dog may need now to help her in the future. Janice Parky Halley and Wrigley Cape Cod, MA
Re: fat berners
> >Most berners I know are too fat, and I really do not get it. Being > >overweight is linked to shorter life and a variety of health problems -- why > >would anyone let his/her loved dog be fat?! Because people equate "fat" with "good bone". Because people like to talk about how much their Berner's weigh. Because bigger is "better" in our society. Janice Parky Halley and Wrigley Cape Cod, MA
Re: Berner-Garde Fundraiser
> * AND..when you look at the long list of items for the > Berner-Garde Fundraiser, you will see that Nancy Stewart has donated a pair > of those very same "LUCKY GREEN SOCKS!" Hi Joye! I missed the post on the Berner-Garde Fundraiser-must have been when I was away and I postponed the list. Can you give us the info again, for those of us who may have missed it? Thanks, Janice Parky, Halley and Wrigley (Double the pleasure, double the fun.) Cape Cod, MA
Re: A New Vocabulary for the Berner-L
Oops, I meant MORTGAGE > > But I fear that using terms such as "Family Jewels", "The Money Bags" or > "Lavish Bestowal" will either inundate the list with spam from Morgage > Refinancers or even worse, Mr. Gold Kutah, Makaya Basu or Bello Ahmed. And > that was just today. > > Your innovation is laudable, my dear "Female Sweetheart" > > Janice Parky > Cape Cod, MA >
Re: A New Vocabulary for the Berner-L
Nice try, Maria, But I fear that using terms such as "Family Jewels", "The Money Bags" or "Lavish Bestowal" will either inundate the list with spam from Morgage Refinancers or even worse, Mr. Gold Kutah, Makaya Basu or Bello Ahmed. And that was just today. Your innovation is laudable, my dear "Female Sweetheart" Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA > 1. The word we use for female Berners that rhymes with ditch should be > retired. Use "girl", "sweetheart" or "female" > > 2. The biologically correct name for the male ... um ... this is harder > than I thought ... lower appendage with which future progeny are happily > effected ... should be referred to as Mr. Willie or The Joy Stick. The > attendent two sac o' suds should be referred to as Family Jewels; or, if you > are a very fortunate breeder, The Money Bags. > > 3. Any words that describe the actual act of breeding should be substituted > with "Getting Lucky;" or, if you are an optimistic breeder, > "Fructification." > > 4. The word that refers to the male being used in a breeding (it rhymes with > "dud") should be substituted with "Happy Boy." > > Sadly, the one word in the subject line that caused the most rejected > deliveries of the Berner-L digest was "donation." I'm sure Joye Neff will > be crestfallen to hear about this. Spam software is able to sniff out any > word remotely charitable. Thus, I suggest substituting "lavish bestowal."
A Day in the Life
Some Rainy Sunday humor... Here on Cape Cod, we have had 2 days of sunshine in the past 2 weeks. Wet dogs, wet floors, lots of wet towels, wet everything. Today, we had a brief few moments of respite. Halley and her 12 week old brother Wrigley (or Rigley, still debating the spelling) were restless. Actually restless is and understatement. They were approaching nuclear melt-down. I was busy, so asked my husband to take the dogs for a short walk up to visit a friends gallery. Just to use up some of their boundless energy. My husband used to be referred to as "The Man Who Hates Dogs". Before Berners, that is. Halley is his girl, Wrigley is, well, Wrigley. So, he sets out with the two dogs. Diamond, our cat decides to go too. There he is walking two bouncing, Berners down the street, followed by a long haired black cat. He visits with our friend and starts back home. As he is approaching the house, all I can hear is his booming laughter and some ranting about how insane everyone is. I am now wondering if he has somehow gone over the edge.. Apparently, on the walk home, the dogs were still bouncing, and Diamond the cat decides to lie down in the middle of the road-2 lanes that run through the center or our miniscule town. Diamond is then suddenly being attacked by blackbirds, for what reason, who knows. There is "The Man Who Hates Dogs", on the side of the road, with the two lunging, bouncing dogs who only want to play with their cat who is rolling around in the middle of the road as the birds are dive-bombing her. Traffic is stopped in both directions. Bruce says he just looked at everyone, shrugged and walked on. Diamond followed and traffic flowed again. Waiting for the sun, Janice Parky, Halley and Wrigley/Rigley Cape Cod, MA
Puppy!!!
Hi all, It's taken me two weeks to post this because I was embarrassed to announce the arrival of Halley's new brother who didn't have a name until yesterday. Pathetic, I know, but getting 4 opinionated people to agree to one Berner name is no a small task in my house. Introducing "Rigley", "Maine's Breeze Off the Bay". He is 11 1/2 weeks old, a perfect combination of sweet and feisty. Halley, lover of all things canine, has become very protective of her little brother, and does not like other dogs to approach him until she has given her permission. How fun it is to watch Rigley imitate his big sister. I have to admit, it is really true, two Berners are better than one! Janice Parky, Halley and Rigley Cape Cod, MA
Re: USDA website
Too horrific to get past two or three of them. Thank you for inspiring me to keep on fighting against slavery and injustice for all breeds. Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: mars coat king
> i too have one, has anyone used it on their dog's back. woofit is blowing > his coat and there is always more fur there than i can believe. i filled a > mixing bowl with fur the other day. Andrea, What, pray tell, were you baking? Janice Parky Halley and her brother whose name keeps changing
Re: OFA Xrays - benefit to PO?
> But as a pet owner, what does this information mean to me? In the > absence of symptoms, what guidelines should I use to determine how to > limit (or increase) her activities based on the OFA ratings? Should I > use these ratings to decide the necessity of supplimenting her diet > with glucosamine? Hi Rita- I have had a severly displastic Berner boy and now have a BARC rescue, a 2 year old female. I had her hips and elbows xrayed 2 weeks ago, for both OFA and PennHip evaluations. She is small, 70 lbs, runs like the wind, jumps like a kangaroo, does agility training, and is highly active. I haven't received her OFA findings, but her PennHip score is in the 10th percentile. This means that compared to all other Bernese Mountain Dogs, 90% of them have hips better than hers. What does this mean to me? Hip dysplasia is interesting. A dog can have "bad" hips and never show a symptom, or can have better hips and show symptoms. (limping, struggling to rise, sitting down to rest while playing or on long walks.)I prefer to know what I am dealing with, so had my Halley xrayed for my own knowlege. I know that I will need to keep her lean, give her plenty of free running exercise as opposed to leash walks. I supplement her food with Glucosamine, Chondroitin and vitamin C. A dog with "bad" hips will likely develop some arthitic changes in the joints as they age. Keeping the joints moving helps prevent those changes. I like free exercise, because the dog can run/walk/leap as they choose. You don't need to use the OFA ratings to determine her activity level. You may need to add supplements to her diet, and watch her weight, but by watching her, you will be able to determine her activity level. After my first Berner had 2 hip surgeries, my vet said, "you just need to let him be a dog". It was the best advice I could have gotten. Good luck! Janice Parky, Halley and her new little brother, who is still trying to find a name!!! Cape Cod, MA
Re: Personal Checks
Kansas Bank Note Company. Janice Parky - Original Message - From: "Andrea Brin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Berner-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:29 PM Subject: RE: Personal Checks > a few months ago someone told me of a place with a midwest type name where > you could order checks. i thought it was actually a bank. does anyone > remember? > thanks > andrea > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Martha Hoverson > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:47 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Personal Checks > > > > Several months ago there was a link posted, I believe, to a company that > makes personal checks with some sort of Berner image. Does anyone still > have that information? If so, I would very much appreciate it. > Thanks, > > Martha Hoverson, Molly and Sam (making it our mission to bring all the soil > from the backyard into the house!) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Portland, Maine > > _ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > >
Re: stupid questions
You forgot my favorite one. 6. Yes, they shed. > Berner fun FAQs > 1. Purebred Bernese Mountain Dog > 2. From Bern, not Burma > 3. Girls, about 70-95; boys, 80-120 > 4. Not as much as you'd think > 5. More than you'd ever imagine! > > The fun was in making up the matching questions!
Re: Venting
After walking our two large males through a crowded tourist town, one day, and having it take twice as long as it should, my friend had tee-shirts made up that said, "Yes, he is a big dog." Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Fw: Rescue Organizations
When we were discussing rescue organizations in regards to the possible need for our Berner's in the future, I emailed the Collie Rescue League of New England which is independent of any club. This was their response. >>>Hi. We are a 501c3 organization. And we have no insurance. Because we are 501C there is little opportunity for anyone to sue. We are also very very careful with the dogs we adopt out and full disclosure is written out for any potential problem. Although there hasn't been a great need for that. Just some food for thought. Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: Biking, Panting, and Drooling (not necessarily at the same time!)
>He's extremely reliable and has always responded to my "leave it" and "come" > commands. Vicky, Are you sure he is a Berner? Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: Conditioning with a Bicycle and "Springer"
> " The only problem was as we returned home last night. > The springer and dog are positioned on the RIGHT side of my bicycle; as we > steered "left" into the driveway, Major somehow leaped around to the LEFT > side of the bike. Hi Vicky!!! One of the problems I am having with Halley in Agility class is her insistence on being on my left side. We don't do a lot of obedience work, but she has been trained to heel on the left. I find that I also tend to walk her on my left side. My instructor recommends also teaching them heel on your right side. That way they are comfortable on either side you ask them to be on. Just a thought. As for the "springer", I thought that was some kind of Spaniel... Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: puppy talk
> I do have a concern though - Do Berner puppies whine a lot? At 9 weeks of age, Gryffin is a baby. Babies cry before they "speak". He just hasn't found his voice yet. He will, in time. He is just communicating in the way he is accustomed, and may continue to for a few more months. Enjoy him while he is a baby, it won't last long! Janice Parky North Truro, MA
RE:taking pills with peanut butter
> Pippa.I told my vet that my guys loved their pills in peanut butter, > and he said something about the fat in the peanut butter made it hard for > the pills to be digested.? Are you giving the pills with a spoonful of "Natural" ground peanut butter, or Skippy? A teaspoon of real, natural ground peanut butter, 3-4 times per day, depending on your dogs pill requirements should not cause a problem. Commercially processed peanut butters, such as Skippy and Peter Pan contain sugars, and "partially hydrogentated vegetable oils" (rapeseed, cottonseed and soybean). Having dealt with a dog who needed multiple pills per day, I'd go with whatever he "enjoyed"! We exhausted "wrapped in cheese", and "surrounded by steak". There is something about the licking of the peanut butter that discourages them from just eating the "goods" and spitting out the pills. Does anyone have information on the digestibility of pills if taken with fats??? I thought the peanut butter on a spoon what the end-all, be-all of pill taking! Janice Parky North Truro, MA
Pat Long's Health Disk
Pat- Can you give me (us) information of the cost of the BMD Health Articles disk that you have available? In the past week I have forwarded articles to 3 differnent Berner owners who were concerned about health problems with their dogs. I would like to purchase a number of them to have on hand, to send to people unfamiliar with the breed or the information available on the L. People trying to learn about Berners. It is such a great resource for new Berner owner and PPO's. If you are a new Berner owner, or an "old" (did I say that?) Berner owner who is beseiged by health or temperament questions, or a breeder who wants to inform their puppy owners, this disk is terrific. It addresses most of the problems in the breed, temperament issues, how to choose a breeder, and links to other Berner related websites. It is awesome. Thanks Janice Parky
Re: Berner Tails
> And remember the famous Berner bump - just when you thought you had > saved your tea! Ah, yes. Now you bring up the subject of how to appropriately dress for Berner ownership. I no longer wear light colored pants-the Berner Bump coffee stains are too obvious. As are the drool and eye goobers rubbed on the inseams. BUT! Those white hairs are so obvious on the black pants. How can a dog who is 95% black fur shed so much white??? I think the woman who invented Blue Jeans is a Goddess! Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: To make your house BMD tail-safe!
> > What did you guys have to do to protect your belongings against your dogs tail? I buy very, very cheap wine glasses.they are always the first to go. Janice Parky North Truro, MA
Re: fabric or leather?
> You can always go the whole hog and have seat covers and dangling dice:-) Ahhh, that would be me Ruth! Seat covers, dangling fuzzy dice AND my high school graduation tassel from 1968. . My first dog mobile had leather seats-the driver seat wore out completely in 5 years. My current one has cloth, with seat covers. I like the covers because the one on the dogs seat can be easily removed if a HUMAN has to sit on it. Cabela's, or other sporting goods catalogs have seat covers for dogs. I was thinking of getting leather on my next car-I was told the leather they use now is stronger than what was used previously, but that was from a car salesman. I think the maintenance on the leather is easier. I worry more about the spilled coffee than the dog drool. Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: lawn fertilizer question
Libby- I used the product from Garden's Alive that is made from corn gluten. It was supposed to feed the lawn and kill weeds, I think??? It was recommended to apply in the spring and again in the fall. I did the spring time application. My guy went NUTS eating the tiny granules off the lawn, which made me nuts. "Natural" or not, his obsessive snarffeling concerned me. That summer I had the best crop of dandelions ever. I did not reapply in the fall, because of Beau's snarffelingperhaps if I had, the next summer the lawn would have looked better. I have given up and gone for what we here on Cape Cod refer to as the "Cape Cod Lawn". Dandelions and all. Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: Acupuncture?
Hi Karen- My first Berner had a TPO (hip surgery) at 10 months of age and had complications that prevented him from walking. Once his surgeon determined that his sciatic nerve was irritated, I took him for acupuncture. I found a "human" acupuncturist who had been trained to also work on animals. The day after the first treatment, Beau walked for the first time in a month. He could finally stand up to pee. (picture that!) After the second treatment, he was walking fine, for a dog who had had hip surgery. At 17 months of age, he was again limping and I was told he needed a hip replacement on his other hip. Once again, we saw our acupuncturist. I was deternined to postpone any more surgery as long as I possibly could. For the next 3 years, we saw our acupuncturist whenever I felt it was necessary-either a slight limp, or just because he hadn't seen him in a while. Maintenance. A dog with joint problems is at risk for and probably will develope arthritic degeneration. Acupuncture can be, and is successfully used to treat this by relieving the symptoms. In people too. I have no experience with a cruciate tear. The positive about alternative treatments, such as acupuncture is that they can do no harm. You have nothing to lose and a lot to gain. I would go for it in a heartbeat. Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: Had enough
Kenny- I am sensing that your inquiry caused you receive more negative feedback than positive. Your "Pros" are right on. As for the negatives, they are in the eye of the beholder. Berner fur in my ice cubes or butter does not bother me. Yes, if my mother is visiting, it bothers her, so she visits less often. This is a positive. Tens of thousands in vet bills??? Naahhh, I think an exaggeration. Not the average case scenario. House too small? A laid back Berner would be fine in a small house or apartment as long as they had daily exercise. The fur balls are a gift. They cling together, they float, they drift. They have a life of their own. It's almost like having another dog in the house, one who can fly! The life expectancy is an average. It is part of the gamble you take when you welcome a Berner into your heart and your home. Happy in your lifestyle? Berners LOVE their people above anything else. A breeder who is looking to find the right home for one of her pups, will make sure the pup you get fits your lifestyle. The key is finding a breeder who you respect and one who respects you, your lifestyle and your expectations. All that being said, my first Berner had 3 surgeries in his first 10 months, and died at age 4 1/2. Would I do it again? You betcha. And, I have. A rescue, Hungarian import with no health history, no breeder to consult with, no guarantees. Why? Because I love this breed. An unhappy Berner is one who is neglected, spends too much time alone and does not get the love, attention, and training from it's family. Not one who lives on the third floor of a town house. The key is researching and finding the right breeder for you. Peace back atcha- Janice Parky and Halley Cape Cod, MA > At this point I am taking a break from pooch research! > > Berner Pros: > Unconditional love and companionship > > Cons: > Hair in my ice trays and butter tray > tens of thousands of dollars in vet bills > 7.5 life expectancy > my home is too small ? > can I handle the fur balls? > Some Berner owners seem to want to discourage others from them? > Will a berner be happy in my life style? > Finally, Tonight a breeder from Albany told me she would not sell me a pup > because I live in a town home and I have three flights of stairs! I don't > want an unhappy berner. > > Peace Out All! > > Kenny > >
Fw: Re Microchips
I just wanted to pass on some information. Halley my BARC girl was microchipped as a puppy, I believe in her place of birth, Hungary. I had my vet scan her yesterday, to make sure the chip was there, and realized that the chip was not registered to me. I called AVID this morning, to see about changing it and the chip was not registered with them at all. They are sending me the forms to register her number with them. So, if you have a rescue or a re-home who has been chipped, don't assume the chip has been registered. Get in touch with the registry they were chipped by and make sure you are listed as the owner. Janice Parky and Halley Cape Cod, MA
Re: (OT) Re: scrapple
>>>>I won't even go into the whole Haggis thing... Ask the residents of Holly Cottage at last year's Specialty. Mind you, that was a tinned one, so there was a perfectly good excuse for it to explode all over the kitchen walls, window and ceiling Ah, yes, the Haggis Incident. It was "offal". Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: BERNER-L digest 4281
> Who pays for the wrays? The breeder or the owner? If I may jump in here. As a "pet" Berner owner, I consider the cost of hip and elbow xrays part of the cost of owning a Berner. Right up there with annual check-up and all the other expenses that come with owning a dog. I don't expect the breeder to pay for it, although I know that some breeders include it in the puppy price, and may charge a higher rate, and then refund the money when the xrays are completed. In a breed with the potential for hip and/or elbow problems, I also want to know the status of my dogs joints. A dog with dysplasia should be managed appropriately--low weight, appropriate exercise and supplements. I'd rather have this knowlege at 6-12 months, than have a dog with crippling arthritis at 3-4 years. If preliminary xrays are taken at the time of spay/neuter, it can reduce the cost and give you and your breeder an idea of how the joints look. Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: Another thought on dog call names
> Please, when you bellow "Molly - drop it!" or "Molly - get out of the > water/vegetable patch/unsuspecting hiker's picnic!", spare a thought for the > similarly named person who may also be nearby. My nerves are starting to > play up. Too funny, Molly! When my boys named Halley, (pronounced Hay-lee) it was a joke between us that she would have the same name as a stunningly beautiful local young woman who is a year or two older than my oldest son. Her name is Hailey Waite. I can't tell you how often I say, "Halley, wait!", when we are out walking off leash. I always smile. think of Hailey, and wonder if someone who knows her is near-by!!! Janice Parky and Halley Cape Cod, MA
Re: Dog Park Incident
This topic brings up a related one that I've been wondering about. A friend of mine has 2 Tibetan Mastiffs, 18 months old. To make this Berner related, her previous dog was a Berner . Her male was attacked as a pup, twice by Golden Retrievers. I know it does sound odd. Initially, he was fearful of all other dogs, but with a lot of socializing, he has come around. At any rate, he now attacks Golden Retrievers but is fine (so far) with other dogs. Do you think a dog can really differentiate between breeds? My first Berner Beau loved everyone except for commercial fishermen, so he obviously had a way of identifying them. Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: Pat Long eating doggie treats??
> I can vouch for the eating of scrapple at Pat Long's house with Jane - and > it was DELICIOUS!!! WHAT? Pat fed you scrapple and all I got when I was at her house was lobster ravioli in a vodka cream sauce! She must have really been trying to impress you guys!! Janice Parky and Halley Cape Cod, MA
Re: Dogs call names
I for one, have to spend time with a new pup or dog to name it. The name has to fit the dog. My first Berner "Beau" was named by my husband. The man who used to say, "We don't need another dog". After a week with us and no name, my husband arrived home from the neighboring town, at the tip of Cape Cod and announced he had a name for "Pup-pup". He was driving across a narrow stretch of land, bordered on one side by Cape Cod Bay, and the other by "East Harbor" and the dunes beyond. The sun was shining on the water and suddenly the name "Beauregard" just popped into his head. In spite of my husbands fears that we would all laugh at him, we immediately agreed that Beauregard he was. As for Halley, our re-homed BARC girl, she came to us named "Brandy". This did not work for us at all. She came home and after a few days of my boys watching this whirling dervish and her boundless energy, they named her "Halley", after Halley's Comet. Shes is fast, she is bright, she travels, she shines. Janice Parky and Halley BARC's Comet Comes Home In memory of Beau, Pond Village Beauregard North Truro, MA
Re: BMDCA Lobby Raffle
Oh, Auntie Laurie; My mom has been a real slacker on sending in her check to the BMDCA Lobby Raffle. I was having a hard time figuring out how to write out a check to send. My paws are too big to hold a pen, and when I hold it in my mouth, I just want to CHEW it! But guess what!!! I just figured out how to write checks on the computer from my Dad's business account! It's so much fun to step on the keys and make checks! I'll carry it to the postoffice tomorrow, myself, I promise. After all, we Berners owe a lot to everyone who is out there making the world a better place for all of us dogs. Don't we? Hugs, Halley Parky-Cagwin BARC's Comet Comes Home > Well folks , I heard a rumor that Pat Long intends to WIN this BMDCA Lobby > raffle ! Humph ! Now , I realize that Pat runs this show , and is my "boss" > on the error crew , HOWEVER .. > Apparently she has a really good chance of winning because hardly anyone has > bought tickets !! Come on ! We all have to give Pat a run for her money !! > It will keep her teeth grating and her hair standing on end , HAHA ! Not to > mention it's a good cause ! No matter what your Berner "politics" are , > buying tickets for this raffle will help ALL berners. My hubby doesn't need > that Valentine card THAT badly , heh , heh :-). A paltry $5 will get you a > chance to win a sketch of your berner. The sketch samples on the website are > gorgeous ! Go take a look and let's make Pat Long sweat bullets until Feb 22 > !! > website : http://bmdcgs.org/lobby/berner_gallery.htm > > > Laurie Montoya (Hannah and Shelby the Wonder Mutt)(probably now fired > error crew member) > >
Re: My education failed(:
> > the cost of the puppy. I think a good probably breeder under sells the pet > store price all of the time. I meant a "good breeder probably" Back to my crate for the evening, Janice Parky
Re: My education failed(:
Sylvia- I think we all share your frustration at times. Many of us, as consumers, can be impulsive. How many people want a dog, but don't necessarily want do the necessary research, or don't know where to begin, and can't resist the adorable "puppy in the window"? Ironically, a Berner puppy in a local puppy store just sold for $2000. The original price was $3200, but after 4 weeks, was dropped. He was purchased for that price. He had no pedigree papers to be seen when I went in to check on him, but I was assured he was bred by a "very good breeder in Missouri." I don't know of too many responsible, caring breeders who are selling their dogs for $3200, with no AKC registration. A local vet told us that every one of the pups she has seen come from this store has worms, intestinal parasites, etc. Add that to the cost of the puppy. I think a good probably breeder under sells the pet store price all of the time. I agree, it is pretty disturbing. Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: THE BARC LOC PRIZES ARE IN THE MAIL
Dear Auntie Joye- I just want to thank you for all the time and effort you put into the raffles to raise money for BARC, Light One Candle, and all the other Berner causes. What would we do without you?!!! My mom keeps trying to teach me things like "down" and "stay" and "NO hugs", but what I really want to learn is how to write checks! Then I can bid on all the things I want, instead of her bidding on the things SHE wants. Although, I must say, a portrait of me by Lace Smith hanging in the living room would be wonderful. Hugs to you Auntie- Halley Parky-Cagwin BARC's Comet Comes Home
Re: sick berner
Hello, Laura, My experience with a dog who had RMSF, years ago, before anyone wanted to admit that dogs in New England could contract it was that after 24 hours on strong antibiotics, she was markedly better. Her symptoms were physical, she was weak, could barely walk, not limping, and it seemed as if she had neurological problems. I'd go with your vets advice and see a specialist. Hugs to you and Jake, and I hope things turn out well for you both. Janice Parky North Truro, MA > My name is Laura Arch and I've been a happy lurker for 3 years. Now I need > some help. My Jake is 3 yrs old and up till now very healthy. About a month > ago he stopped eating like the chow hound that he is. The vet could find > nothing wrong. I took him back and he had lost 6 lbs in 2 weeks.We ran lots > of tests, xrays and even a baruim swallow test as he seemed to have trouble > with swallowing. He has a low hematocrit, low red blood count and low normal > platlets. His titer for Rocky Mountain spotted fever came back elevated so > we are treating him empirically with antibiotics to see if this helps. He's > been on them for 3 days and his appitite now is completely gone. My vet > suggested taking him to the specialists in Greenville, SC in a few days if > we see no improvement. Has anyone had experience with this kind of > problem?Thanks in advance. > > Laura Arch > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: AKC registry question
Mary, Jim and the Girls- I am sure there are many more owners and breeders out there who would have a more defined answer to your question, but here is my opinion. I am a "pet" owner of my second Berner. I believe that any dog, Berner or not, born to a responsible breeder, should be registered with the AKC. I would think that any responsible breeder would require their pups to be registered. Aside from showing on a professional level, you may find that Nola is a terrific obedience or agility dog and may want to pursue "fun" competition as opposed to conformation "showing". I like to see what my dog enjoys. Okay, begging is NOT a competition.I believe that all Bernese Mountain Dogs, with their genetic pre-dispositions and history should be OFA'd and/or PennHip'd, (hips and elbows), CERF'd and have Heart clearances. VonWillebrand's and DNA testing are not as important to me as a pet/non-breeding owner. I believe that every Bernese Mountain Dog should be registered with BernerGarde. I believe that the only way to save our breed from it's own genetic frailties is through the registering and disseminating of this information. I know this is probably more information than you asked for. My current Berner is a BARC dog, bred in Hungary. She was not eligible for an AKC registration, so I applied for and was given and ILP (Indefinite Listing Privilege). She is high energy and we are doing agility classes. If she ever decides she wants to compete in agility, she can! She has been CERF'd, Heart checked and will be OFA'd and PennHip'd when she is two years old. Not because I need this information, but because the future of our breed depends on this information. So, register Nola and go for it!! Janice Parky and Halley, BARC's Comet Comes Home > Can I get your opinions on how important is or not to have your dog AKC registered? > What are the pros? We have the forms from Nola's breeder, but haven't sent them yet, now we're wondering if it's really that important. (we don't plan to breed. Or show on a professional level)
Re: virus sent by pilfered address
I received one a few months back, also from Maria, or Daisy, or Buddy.I think the subject line was, "How my day shaped up" or "Devil with the Red Dress", or something to that effect. I deleted it immediately, of course. Better keep those Berners away from your computer, Maria! Janice Parky > I hope that the Berner L'ers know I would never ever send a subject line > like "Japanese Lass' sexy pictures"Obviously my address has been picked > up and ... um terribly misused. For pity's sake.
Re: A Tribute to Winston Poohbear (1998-2003)
SEAVARIDGE'S WINSTON POOHBEAR January 8, 1998 ~ January 4, 2003 Winston was the "star", and you Joye, are the "light". Your dedication to the health, rescue and other issues for our precious Berners has been and will always be Winstons legacy and your gift to the breed. Rest assured that he was met at the Bridge by many of our special ones, all healthy, all sound, all free. Janice Parky and Halley North Truro, Ma
Re: bathing
I am behind on my email thanks to a Nor'easter power surge that killed my modem and network cardBUT, on the subject of bathing. Halley received what I think is the ultimate Christmas gift from one of my "daughters". Not just for bathing, but for the interminable wet, drizzly, foggy, torential down pour, Nor'easter winter weather on Cape Cod. Her own, monogrammed L.L.Bean bath towel!!! It's Berner sized, and with her name on it, so no human can claim it for their own and complain about the residual Berner fur. No more raggedy old beach towels for Halley, she's drying in style!!! Janice Parky and Halley North Truro, MA
Re: Neutering poll
My first Berner, a male was neutered at 18 months. Never marked, lifted his leg when he felt like it. Only mounted the lovely female Basenji down the street. My current female was neutered at 10 months. She does not mark or lift her leg. I have seen females (neutered) of other breeds "mark". Do any female Berners do this? The biggest Berner I have ever seen, and I have seen a lot, was neutered at 5 months, is 31" tall and 125 pounds. I don't think neutering has anything to do with anything except better health and helping to control the mounting in some Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Fw: berner pup or baby - which should come first???
Kerry- I think the answer to your question is a very individual one. Hopefully the advice you get will help you and your husband decide what will work for you. For me, personally, it was baby first. It was also a looong time ago. I waited until my first child was 2 years old to add a dog to the family. I believe, and I'm sure some will disagree, that it is easier to add a dog to a family with a small child, than a small child to a family with a dog. Of course, the temperament of the dog has a lot to do with the acceptance of a new child. If you decide dog first, find a breeder who will help you find a pup that they feel will do well when baby arrives. I believe very stongly, that dogs raised with children have a better chance of learning child-tolerance and respect than a dog that has not and then is asked to accept another "pack" member.I also have know of two beloved family dogs-one rehomed, one euthanized because of it's intolerence of the new child. It is also important that you and you husband, as parents of both the pup and child realize that it is your job to make it work. Small children need constant vigilence amd training around puppies, as puppies and older dogs need socialization, training and viglience around small children. I would also not advise, which ever "first" happens, that you wait until you are confident you can handle the "other". As for the ticking clock, both scenarios will be exhausting. Sorry.. Of course, you also have no idea of what "Mother Nature" and the ticking clock will decide, so eventually that may need to be factored in as well Janice Parky > Cape Cod, MA. > >
Re: Light bulbs ??
> What I'd like to know is what possesses a dog to EAT this stuff ??? Good > grief ! I mean , how good can a light bulb taste ??curious > in PA , Laurie Montoya I think it's the "crunchiness". They imagine they are eating a small bird, or mammal. Perhaps they think it's an emu or goose egg. Or perhaps they just have an eating disorder. Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: Histio Roll Call.... But What About the Others...
The Histio Roll-Call is shocking,. Berners dying of a genetic cancer as early as 2 years of age! Time, I guess to "honor" the others. The non-genetic Cancer Casualties. My big, sweet Beau, Pond Village Beauregard, CGC, TT, Companion Animal Therapy Dog. Euthanized at age 4 1/2, Undifferentiated Sarcoma, spinal tumor Still sobbing, Janice Parky
Re: Berners & Horses
> << I began to wonder how many Berner folks were also horse people? How > about a new poll? Name your horse and riding style I love horses. Just can't get how you snuggle on the couch with them. I ride intermittently, but spent many years, at shows with a son who rode English, jumped etc. on "Butch Cassidy", aka "Cass". Yes, I drove him to the stable in the early morning, to every lesson. I was at every show, pouring rain, blazing heat. I was there to grab the horse after it threw him in the ring. Often wonder why I grabbed the horse instead of rushing to the side if my "concussioned" child. Does that count My response to the National Seashore Rangers who allow horseback riding on the beaches but not unleashed dogs, while romping with my big boy Beau, was "He's not a dog! He's a small pony." They never questioned me or gave me a ticket... Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
Re: BMDCC Specialty Results from my catalog???
> Here are the results from my catalog if you want to use them...only missing > a few. Tentative? One "Major" correction, if I may. 12-18 dogs Sascha's Ursa Major placed second, not third. Vicky Whitney and her "Major" with his "Major" male issues deserves a lot of credit. I just hope Vicky can "handle" him the way he deserves. Janice Parky, President Ursa Major Fan Club
Re: Female Incontenence
I had a female Collie in my pre-Berner days who was spayed at 6 months and by the time she was a year old, was experiencing spay related incontinence. She was put on DES. I was able to wean the original dose, which I cannot remember, down to one dose per month. She lived to age 13 and had no cancer or other DES related problems. Janice Parky > My 7 year old girl was spayed just over a year ago. She occassionally will > piddle when I scold her or if I want to groom her or even when I give her a > belly rub. I checked with my vet and she does not have a UTI or any other > illness. We discussed age/spay related incontenence and she prescribed > Proin. My understanding that this is the same product (formerly names DES I > believe)that was given to pregnant women years ago and whose daughters > developed cancer. I hesitate to give my girl anything that has been proven > to cause cancer. > > I would love to hear from anyone with any information on this product. I > would rather deal with piddles than the fear of giving a cancer causing drug > to my sweet Batty.
Re: Vicky and Major/Boy Problems
> Vicky , you WOULD bring up this subject !!! Sheesh , blushingly yours > , Laurie Montoya Oh, come on. Laurie, BLUSHING?? Sorry, can't picture that one. Janice
Ode to Kongs
As the mother of a high energy Berner girl, I am amazed at Halley's stamina, Also amazed at my efforts to keep her busy. After an early morning, 2 hour RUN over the dunes and hills of Cape Cod, she comes home energized and starts throwing her beloved Kong around. I desperately reach for another cup of coffee. I awake at 3am to the sound of the Kong flying off the living room walls and floors, praying that the paintings and photo's on the walls will be spared. (I've given up on the floors.) I have become so enabling to my Kong-a-holic Berner, that I can't leave her without filling 2 Kongs so she won't be "bored" when I am gone...even if only for a half hour, or so. I enter the house cautiously on my return, get my big Berner Greeting and then duck as in the excitement, the Kong, still holding on to one resistant piece of cookie, is lauched at my stomach, chest, knees and/or feet. I firmly believe that whoever it was who invented the Kong, deserves to be rewarded a million times over for his contribution to the sanity of dog owners like me. Kongs By Halley A Berner girl can not go wrong With a toy as lovely as a Kong. A Kong whose hollow space is stuffed With biscuits, cheese or peanut fluff: A Kong that bounces night and day, Spewing treats along the way: A Kong that may at times despair, By bouncing under couch or chair; Upon whose cavity I globber: Who ultimately lives with slobber. Mom will say it loud and long, There is no life without a Kong. Amen, Janice Parky North Truro, MA
