Fw: Sterling is 9 & where did you get your dog?
Bobbie Hefner Swiss Star Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/swissstarfarms/index.html > - Original Message - > From: "bobbie hefner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jeff & Mary Chapdelaine - SnoBear berners" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: Sterling is 9 > > > > Well hello everyone, > > > > Well at least I have not fallen off the face of the earth. Just very busy > > with Berner public education on a daily basis and also extremely involved > > with training my BMD America to do tracking-trailing for Carda Search and > > Rescue. Anyway, since this seems to be somewhat of a discussion regarding > > me I thought maybe I should as they say."tell you the rest of the > > story." > > > > Tom and Kay Arzheimer owned a wonderful Lacey x Jackson female named Sarah > > who was Ch Nitro What a Gas sister. In time she was bred to my Sterling. > > Tom and Kay took the pick bitch puppy and I took the second pick and was > > thrilled that I could continue on with my Lacey x Jackson lines, which as > > everyone is aware has produced some of the most long lived Bernese. In > time > > Tom and Kay if everything worked out well, would get a puppy back also > from > > Valintine. Marge Cherry in the meantime had been visiting the litter and > > fell in love with Valintine. She was going through a difficult time in > her > > life and wanted something to love and ask me if she could raise this puppy > > for me and that she was never interested in breeding and I could have all > > the breeding rights on her. And soa contract was made. I tried to > > breed her twice. I was not concerned about her mild elbow problem as I > knew > > the line well. When she was still in her prime, Margie ask me if she > could > > spay her and I said yes, by all meansas first and formost she is your > > pet. And thats the rest of the story. > > > > I would like to end this discussion with a heart felt reminder to everyone > > of you who has purchased or been given a Bernese Mountain Dog. Maybe it > was > > years and years ago, or maybe it was just 8 weeks ago. But there was a > > breeder who trusted you enough to allow their dog or puppy to find a place > > in your heart. Think back to how you got your start, your > accomplishments, > > the joy, the love, and most of all the friends within the breed you have > > made. And remember it was only because the breeder of your dog trusted > you. > > No matter how times change, there is a loyality that should remain in your > > heart. Before you think different, stop a moment and look in your dogs > > eyes. If you don't see, within those kind pools of dark intelligence, how > > people should treat one another, then you have learned nothing from your > dog > > and little from life. > > > > I got my first Bernese Mountain Dog from Mary Townsend. Ch Vonbreiterwegs > > Swiss Lace , Reg. therapy Dog, became the foundation bitch to Swiss Star > > Farms. Her first daughter remains alive at almost 14. Over the years, > Mary > > and I had our disagreements, yet I remained always loyal to her and > > thankful. For if it was not for her trust in me, I would never have been > > able to accomplish what I have done in the world of dogs. I told her that > a > > hundred times over the years she was alive and for that I am even more > > thankful. So take a moment to remember who started you on the way to > loving > > a Bernese Mountain Dog and thank that person while they are still around > to > > hear you. > > Bobbie Hefner > > Swiss Star Farms > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/swissstarfarms/index.html > > - Original Message - > > From: Jeff & Mary Chapdelaine - SnoBear berners <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:28 AM > > Subject: Re: Sterling is 9 > > > > > > > >" It has been an honor these past 5 years to care for him, be > > responsible > > > for his > > > > upkeep and vet care. " > > > > > > I think as dog owners we all accept these responsibilities willingly. It > > is > > > easier on the pocketbook though when the dog you accept from someone is > > > already an adult, has had all health certs. done, and a AKC Championship > > in > > > addition. When you took him
Re: Health Costs (was Sterling is 9)
Even though comparing children and dogs probably seems silly to some, to dog lovers the analogy is readily understandable. I bought my Maddie in good faith from a breeder who had obtained the usual clearances. I've spent at least 1500 unplanned dollars on x-rays and CT scans to try and diagnose her early-onset lameness. Although I felt the breeder should be notified, it didn't occur to me that she would have any financial obligation in the matter. (I wouldn't feel this way if I brought home a puppy that was immediately ill or had a condition that was apparent right away...then I would think the breeder would have some financial obligation.) But a situation that manifests itself months later is part of the gamble, IMO, of wanting a dog that is prone to certain health/orthopedic issues. Some of my friends asked when Maddie starting having elbow trouble, couldn't I give her back? By then, of course, we loved her. I joked that my kids hadn't always lived up to my expectations and sometimes proved very expensive, but I figured I'd keep them too... Anne with Maddie and Titan Cranford, NJ
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We received our Baloo free of charge thanks to his wonderful breeder who placed him with us when he was given up by his original owners as a rescue. Our breeder also went the extra mile (actually MANY miles!) when she volunteered to help out with Baloo's initial expenses for neutering and to diagnose/treat his renal failure. We are blessed to have such a great breeder working with us for the well-being of one of her "kids". We did not ask or expect her to help out financially, and would certainly not have given Baloo back when we found out he had medical needs. That would be like taking your child back to the hospital and expecting them to treat him for free, or take him back because he needs a tonsilectomy - how silly! Liz Steinweg & The Crew Blue Moon's Baloo Berry Torte "Baloo" Bobby Sox (husky-x), Figaro (20+ lb Forest Cat) Rio & Sahara (the "Rat Cats") and in loving memory of my 1st BMD - Toby (6/29/97 - 6/30/00 lost to MH) Colorado Springs CO http://www.csbservices.com/personal/personal.htm - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 6:17 AM Subject: Re: Sterling is 9 In a message dated 02/26/2003 1:34:53 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << If a breeder gave you a puppy free of charge, and it came up with health issues later on, would you feel that the breeder should be responsible to pay all the health costs? >> While my boy was not free of charge, I did get him as a rehome when he was 20 months old. No way do I expect the breeder to be responsible for any of his health costs. He is ours to love and enjoy, and also to care for. Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 1/2 yrs.) & Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,2 yrs.) BMDCSEW Tracking Test Chair/Sec. NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html
Re: Sterling is 9
In a message dated 02/26/2003 1:34:53 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << If a breeder gave you a puppy free of charge, and it came up with health issues later on, would you feel that the breeder should be responsible to pay all the health costs? >> While my boy was not free of charge, I did get him as a rehome when he was 20 months old. No way do I expect the breeder to be responsible for any of his health costs. He is ours to love and enjoy, and also to care for. Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 1/2 yrs.) & Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,2 yrs.) BMDCSEW Tracking Test Chair/Sec. NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html
Re: Sterling is 9
NO ! I don't think that would be very fair to the breeder. You take a dog into your home , you're responsible after that. If my daughter came up with a health problem , I sure wouldn't ask the "powers that be" to pay for it ! However , I think the breeder should be upfront about any KNOWN health issues in the lines. And that goes no matter if you paid for the dog or not. No flames , please , I answered this question in good faith :-). Laurie Montoya w/Horrified, Sliding Hannah S. Central PA > Question to all listers: > If a breeder gave you a puppy free of charge, and it came up with health > issues later on, would you feel that the breeder should be responsible to > pay all the health costs? > > Bernerly, > > Mary > > Jeff & Mary Chapdelaine > SnoBear Berners > http://snobear.freeyellow.com > California, USA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Sterling is 9
In a message dated 2/26/2003 2:30:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Question to all listers: > If a breeder gave you a puppy free of charge, and it came up with health > issues later on, would you feel that the breeder should be responsible to > pay all the health costs? This sounds to me like a question with so many variables that one couldn't possibly explore it thoroughly enough in this venue to comment intelligently. ~ Sherri Venditti
Re: Sterling is 9
>" It has been an honor these past 5 years to care for him, be responsible for his > upkeep and vet care. " I think as dog owners we all accept these responsibilities willingly. It is easier on the pocketbook though when the dog you accept from someone is already an adult, has had all health certs. done, and a AKC Championship in addition. When you took him into your home and heart did you believe that in addition to him coming at no cost, all his health care, dog food, and upkeep would be paid, for the rest of his life? "She's my wonderful little Swiss Miss, no matter her elbows. Her litter back agreement could not be fulfilled as it turned out she had cysts on her ovaries. I was quite naive 7 years ago and would not enter into such a contract now. " Again, if the dog was given to you for nothing, in a breed where HD and ED are almost a 40/60 chance I think you came out pretty good. No, she can't have puppies, but a lot of people pay full price for puppies with high hopes of breeding only to find out that the hips, elbows, eyes, teeth, or other things do not pass. If they do pass, and are bred, and if they do get pregnant, a c-section for a litter of 2 dead puppies, or a bitch that dies as a result of the pregnancy can be a real heart breaker. I think I'd be happy that both my dogs are alive at 7 - 9 years of age and I had been given at least a $3000.00 credit (2 x $1500.00 purchase price.) toward their care & upkeep. I still think that was pretty generous. As far as Bobbie & I , we've never had any sort of partnership. I have used some of her males in the past for breeding. I've never had to sign a stud contract. She let me know up front what the terms were, and nothing ever changed. I've never purchased a puppy from her, she has never purchased one from me. I do co-own a male with Bobbie, he lives here with me. I paid nothing for him. Bobbie has only used him at stud 2 times in 3 years. I gladly pay his upkeep expenses and Jeff & I are very grateful to have him to enjoy in our lives, a nd sleeping on our bed nightly. If heaven forbid he came down with cancer and died tomorrow I would not be mad at Bobbie. Where is the sense in that? I would still be grateful for the time I was given with this beautiful guy. Question to all listers: If a breeder gave you a puppy free of charge, and it came up with health issues later on, would you feel that the breeder should be responsible to pay all the health costs? Bernerly, Mary Jeff & Mary Chapdelaine SnoBear Berners http://snobear.freeyellow.com California, USA
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Mary, Thanks for sharing my joy for Sterling's 9th birthday and his continued health. It has been an honor these past 5 years to care for him, be responsible for his upkeep and vet care. > and to give you your girl Valentine as a gift. What is her > full name? > Her name is Swiss Stars Bern-Heart and she is also a joy as she is Sterling's daughter, a stud fee puppy. I had high hopes for her, a Versatility dog. It was so disappointing when her OFA results came back with a dysplastic elbow (degenerative joint disease.) Although she can't run without pain, she is the perfect couch potato. With accupuncture and meds she's doing well. She's my wonderful little Swiss Miss, no matter her elbows. Her litter back agreement could not be fulfilled as it turned out she had cysts on her ovaries. I was quite naive 7 years ago and would not enter into such a contract now. > > Guess I shouldn't be surprised though, I've always known Bobbie > to be a very > generous person. : ) How good that you have found a mutually beneficial partnership in your breeding efforts. > > Bernerly, > > Mary > > Jeff & Mary Chapdelaine > SnoBear Berners > N. California, USA Thanks for being 'Bernerly.' I'll be happy to share how Sterling is doing, should anyone inquire. Marjie
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"Happy belated birthday to my Sterling, Ch. Duntiblae Foreign Exchange, CD, CGC, TDI" Happy Birthday Sterling! You are a beautiful boy and have some beautiful kids. We were talking about dog call names on the list. I have always thought that Sterling's was pretty neat. Sterling's call name comes from the fact that he is from England - "British Sterling." : ) His AKC name: Ch. Duntiblae Foreign Exchange is due to how he ended up in America. Bobbie Hefner through her friendship with Diana Cochran agreed to "exchange" puppies with her. Bobbie sent Diane a puppy, and Diane sent Bobbie Sterling, hence "Duntiblae Foreign Exchange". Anyway, I'm glad that Sterling is doing well. I always thought that it was very nice of Bobbie to give you co-ownership of Sterling and allow him to live with you, and to give you your girl Valentine as a gift. What is her full name? Guess I shouldn't be surprised though, I've always known Bobbie to be a very generous person. : ) Bernerly, Mary Jeff & Mary Chapdelaine SnoBear Berners N. California, USA http://snobear.freeyellow.com "When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself." Wayne Dyer - Psychotherapist, Author and Speaker
Sterling is 9
Happy belated birthday to my Sterling, Ch. Duntiblae Foreign Exchange, CD, CGC, TDInc. . He's a little stiff in the rear after a nice long snooze, but get the leash out and he's all puppy again. Without a doubt, he's the most cuddly, loveably sweet Berner there is. Ster is an extraordinary Therapy dog, knowing when a patient needs a little more time, or just needs a good laugh at his antics. He can spot and steal a patient's stuffed toy in a split second. He's a little goofy, a little pesty and all wonderful. Sterling earned his CD at the tender age of 8 with 3 straight scores in the 190s. At his second trial, I heard the judge chuckle "pretty boy" when we started heeling. Thank you, thank you Diana Cochrane for breeding such a wonderful Berner amabassador. He is what every Berner should be; pure joy. Marjie
