RE: distressed over Berner pup
Hi Susan, You'd have a hard time flushing a bunny!! I do the same as you, I won't buy anything no matter how alluring from a store that deals in canines and felines. Not too comfortable about birds either because having lived in South America became only too aware of the black market in birds being smuggled out, monkeys too! Rose
Re: distressed over Berner pup
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:21:23 -0500 "Mark & Ann Milligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Where is the BMD puppy care and raising information on BMDCA.org > Susan? well Ann I guess I was thinking of the BMDCA info series and while the info on puppy's first year is very generalized it does give some info that may be helpful. It would be nice to have a more comprehensive guide for puppy's first year but for now this is one of the pamplets available, I think. Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
Re: distressed over Berner pup
Where is the BMD puppy care and raising information on BMDCA.org Susan? Ann and Mark Milligan BonMead Bernese Mountain Dogs [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.angelfire.com/alt/milligan_bmds/ This message may not be forwarded without the author's permission - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: Re: distressed over Berner pup > As hard as this is please keep in mind you do not help this puppy's > mother by saving this puppy. Mom is the slave of a puppy mill owner who > breeds dogs purely for profit and doesn't care where or how they end up. > The puppy mill owner who sold this puppy to a broker then to a pet store > doesn't see anything wrong with this puppy ending up in a small lucite > cage. Be brave and know that this puppy will eventually find a home but > if it sells too fast or for the asking price it will simply tell the > petstore owners that they need more of these puppies to make more money. > What you can do is print some material about Bernese from the BMDCA.org > website on care and raising of the puppy and ask the store owner to give > it to the buyers. See if they will give the buyer your name and number > where they can contact you for questions and guidance. Be supportive of > the buyer if they contact you as they will not have any input from a > reputable breeder to fall back on. This situation will be occuring more > and more and we all need to know how to handle it and what to do. > > The main thing we all need to remember is never never never buy anything > from any pet store that sells any live dogs and cats (some would say any > animal but I don't have problems with things that you can flush, I know > this is probably not politically correct of me but it's just how I feel, > sorry) > > Susan Ablon > Gweebarra BMD > Balch Springs, Tx > http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara > > On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:59:48 -0400 Rick Grinstead > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I went to a new pet store - Petland in Maryville, Tn. today to see > > if > > they carryInnova dog food - they do not - BUT they had a Berner pup- > > > > just got it there - I felt so bad I could have cried - it was behind > > a > > lucite door in a small pen - any advise in how to get the word > > about > > this - it is a nine week female and they are asking $2,031.99 . > > Please > > help - this sweetie doesn't need to be growing up in a pet store - > > > > unsocialized and alone. > > > > > > >
RE: distressed over Berner pup
While I would agree with both Pat and Susan about the general wisdom of not buying puppies from pet stores, in the cases where we (in collaboration with others) have been able to buy sick dogs at below market prices, we have been able to document through the help of collaborating veterinarians and BMDCA members the animal's poor condition and in many cases its under age importation (these are actionable offenses). We then forward this documentation to the BMDCA (BARC may not lobby so we cannot do it directly) who has in turn forwarded it on to their lobbyist who has given the information to the USDA - Animal Care. There are times when a wise purchase of an abused animal in which documentation can be achieved can benefit the breed. Like many things in life, some judgment must be exercised in how each of these cases is approached. In virtually ALL CASES, making an attempt to educate the buyer of the puppy has no downside risk and may have an upside benefit. Nancy Melone Mars, PA -Original Message- From: Pat Long & Paul Dangel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: distressed over Berner pup Dear Rick (sorry if I guessed wrong!), As hard as it is, the best thing you can do is to leave that girl right where she is. If we buy her, the pet store owner will get more Berner puppies. If he keeps this girl long enough, he will lose money, and be less likely to want to get more Berner puppies. I put together a pamphlet for pet shops like this, you could print it out and put some information about your regional club on it, and ask the pet store owner if he would be willing to keep it to give to the lucky person who purchases the Berner puppy. I also have a sample letter you could give the store owner with the puppy, I will send that to you separately. The pamphlet is designed to welcome the new puppy owner into the Berner community, and give them somewhere to go for advice and help when they have questions. To see it, go to www.berner.org and click on "Berner U." Public Education Materials" or go directly to: http://www.berner.org/compilations/pdf_links.htm The pamphlet is an attachment at the bottom of the page. Pat Long, a babysat Daisy and Buddy, (& LUTHER!!!) Berwyn PA
RE: distressed over Berner pup--what YOU can do
I wonder if they would allow people to work with the puppy dog, socializing in the store? At least it might be a constructive thing to do to ward off developmental temperament problems (to the extent environment has an influence in that). Watch the puppy's health while in the store -- if it starts to deteriorate, inform the store manager that he/she should call the vet immediately (also tell them that a sick puppy potentially exposes all their other puppy "inventory"). The manager is more likely to take action (get a vet, reduce the price) if he/she knows that the puppy is being monitored regularly. As the puppy becomes less puppy-like (grows up), the price will likely fall. I am not sure what your regional prices are, but in general, when the price goes below market (for some situations that I am aware of that was below $1000), an effort was made by a group of "angels" to purchase the puppy -- BARC has done some of this, but so have many club members outside the operation of the club's rescue function. While clubs may not be into this sort of thing, there are private individuals who are members of clubs who often serve as "angels" -- BARC has a number of "angels" and BARC has also been an "angel". Also, as I mentioned earlier -- put together a puppy packet for the store to give to the new owner (find out who the store vet is and deliver one to the vet, too -- BE SURE TO HAVE LOCAL BMDC CONTACTS in the packet. This puppy has already been born, so your role now is to make sure that the people who buy him treat him properly -- you need to reach those people and educate them. You don't need a big club to do this -- this is something that ONE PERSON can do and do effectively. Start by reproducing a selection of the INFO Series handouts (include at least the Intro; Puppy's First Year; Health; and Obedience ones) -- I can send you Berner Garde and BARC brochures (hard copy or PDF). Pat Long wrote a nice short intro to Berners for PPOs, too. Also, include a Berner Base Ball Card with the number of a local contact. (I am about to leave for a 4-day show, but will do it when I return). If you can wrangle to get the new owner's phone number, call them up and invite them to a club meeting (or meet them somewhere else). The goal is to educate -- to make the current puppy's life better and to make sure that the next time the owner buys a dog, they do it in a more informed way. Be reasonable when you set your expectations and sometimes you will be surprised. Nancy Melone, Ph.D. Mars, PA P.S. Sign you e-mails.
RE: distressed over Berner pup
Dear Rick (sorry if I guessed wrong!), As hard as it is, the best thing you can do is to leave that girl right where she is. If we buy her, the pet store owner will get more Berner puppies. If he keeps this girl long enough, he will lose money, and be less likely to want to get more Berner puppies. I put together a pamphlet for pet shops like this, you could print it out and put some information about your regional club on it, and ask the pet store owner if he would be willing to keep it to give to the lucky person who purchases the Berner puppy. I also have a sample letter you could give the store owner with the puppy, I will send that to you separately. The pamphlet is designed to welcome the new puppy owner into the Berner community, and give them somewhere to go for advice and help when they have questions. To see it, go to www.berner.org and click on "Berner U." Public Education Materials" or go directly to: http://www.berner.org/compilations/pdf_links.htm The pamphlet is an attachment at the bottom of the page. Pat Long, a babysat Daisy and Buddy, (& LUTHER!!!) Berwyn PA
Re: distressed over Berner pup
As hard as this is please keep in mind you do not help this puppy's mother by saving this puppy. Mom is the slave of a puppy mill owner who breeds dogs purely for profit and doesn't care where or how they end up. The puppy mill owner who sold this puppy to a broker then to a pet store doesn't see anything wrong with this puppy ending up in a small lucite cage. Be brave and know that this puppy will eventually find a home but if it sells too fast or for the asking price it will simply tell the petstore owners that they need more of these puppies to make more money. What you can do is print some material about Bernese from the BMDCA.org website on care and raising of the puppy and ask the store owner to give it to the buyers. See if they will give the buyer your name and number where they can contact you for questions and guidance. Be supportive of the buyer if they contact you as they will not have any input from a reputable breeder to fall back on. This situation will be occuring more and more and we all need to know how to handle it and what to do. The main thing we all need to remember is never never never buy anything from any pet store that sells any live dogs and cats (some would say any animal but I don't have problems with things that you can flush, I know this is probably not politically correct of me but it's just how I feel, sorry) Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:59:48 -0400 Rick Grinstead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I went to a new pet store - Petland in Maryville, Tn. today to see > if > they carryInnova dog food - they do not - BUT they had a Berner pup- > > just got it there - I felt so bad I could have cried - it was behind > a > lucite door in a small pen - any advise in how to get the word > about > this - it is a nine week female and they are asking $2,031.99 . > Please > help - this sweetie doesn't need to be growing up in a pet store - > > unsocialized and alone. > > >
distressed over Berner pup
I went to a new pet store - Petland in Maryville, Tn. today to see if they carryInnova dog food - they do not - BUT they had a Berner pup- just got it there - I felt so bad I could have cried - it was behind a lucite door in a small pen - any advise in how to get the word about this - it is a nine week female and they are asking $2,031.99 . Please help - this sweetie doesn't need to be growing up in a pet store - unsocialized and alone.
