Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
WG This last call is now closed. Thanks to everyone for their review and comments. Will request publication shortly, following my document shepherd’s review. Regards Matthew From: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Date: Wednesday, 28 March 2018 at 13:50 To: "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org> Subject: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Resent-From: <alias-boun...@ietf.org> Resent-To: <matthew.bo...@nokia.com>, <stephane.litkow...@orange.com> Resent-Date: Wednesday, 28 March 2018 at 13:50 This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Thanks Ali I was away last week, but this WG last call is now closed. I’ll send a note to the list. Regards Matthew From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <saja...@cisco.com> Date: Wednesday, 18 April 2018 at 17:46 To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org> Subject: Re: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Hi Matthew, Stephane: I have addressed all the comments during this WG LC period and have published rev03 of the draft. I believe the two-week period was ended last Wednesday. Regards, Ali From: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:50 AM To: "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org> Subject: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Resent-From: <alias-boun...@ietf.org> Resent-To: Cisco Employee <saja...@cisco.com>, <ssa...@cisco.com>, <nick.delre...@verizon.com>, <jorge.raba...@nokia.com> Resent-Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:50 AM This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Hi Matthew, Stephane: I have addressed all the comments during this WG LC period and have published rev03 of the draft. I believe the two-week period was ended last Wednesday. Regards, Ali From: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:50 AM To: "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org> Subject: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Resent-From: <alias-boun...@ietf.org> Resent-To: Cisco Employee <saja...@cisco.com>, <ssa...@cisco.com>, <nick.delre...@verizon.com>, <jorge.raba...@nokia.com> Resent-Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:50 AM This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Support. Thanks, —Satya From: BESS <bess-boun...@ietf.org<mailto:bess-boun...@ietf.org>> on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com<mailto:matthew.bo...@nokia.com>> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:50 AM To: "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>>, "bess@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>" <bess@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org<mailto:bess-cha...@ietf.org>" <bess-cha...@ietf.org<mailto:bess-cha...@ietf.org>> Subject: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Support G/ From: BESS [mailto:bess-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 14:50 To: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-cha...@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Support, we have an implementation on this From: BESS <bess-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of EXT Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.i...@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, 4 April 2018 at 00:59 To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Yes/support Cheers, Jeff From: BESS <bess-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:50 AM To: "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org> Subject: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Ali, Lots of thanks for a prompt and very informative response. You answers address all my comments, I expect to see them in the -03 revision of the draft.. All, I support progressing the draft with the changes mentioned in Ali’s email. Regards, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) [mailto:saja...@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 5:14 AM To: Alexander Vainshtein <alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com>; Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Cc: bess-cha...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Hi Sasha, Once more thank very much for your review and your comments. Please refer to my reply inline From: Alexander Vainshtein <alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com<mailto:alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com>> Date: Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 4:32 AM To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com<mailto:matthew.bo...@nokia.com>> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org<mailto:bess-cha...@ietf.org>" <bess-cha...@ietf.org<mailto:bess-cha...@ietf.org>>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>>, "bess@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>" <bess@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>>, Cisco Employee <saja...@cisco.com<mailto:saja...@cisco.com>> Subject: RE: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Hi all, Please see below some technical and editorial comments/question on the draft. Technical: 1. Section 3 mentions that integration between VPLS and EVPN is “possible (but cumbersome)” even if the brownfield VPLS service instance has been set up without BGP-based auto-discovery. I wonder if such integration is possible even if the VPLS PEs do not support BGP-based VPLS auto-discovery at all. (Note that Section 3.1 says that the VPLS PEs “advertise the BGP VPLS AD route”) Such integration is possible but cumbersome. So, I added an explanation to the end of the sentence describing why it is cumbersome: “In order to support seamless integration with (PBB-)VPLS PEs, this document requires that (PBB-)VPLS PEs support VPLS AD per [RFC6074] and (PBB-)EVPN PEs support both BGP EVPN routes per [RFC7432] and VPLS BGP-based A-D per [RFC6074]. All the logic for this seamless integration SHALL reside on the (PBB-)EVPN PEs. However, if a VPLS instance is setup without the use of BGP-based A-D, it is still possible (but cumbersome) for (PBB-)EVPN PEs to integrate into that VPLS instance by manually configuring the target VPLS PE addresses for each VPLS instance on each (PBB-)EVPN PE (i.e., the integration is no longer seamless).” 1. In Section 3.1, the draft says that, if the operator uses the same RT for VPLS AD routes and EVPN routes, “when a (PBB-)VPLS PE receives the EVPN Inclusive Multicast route, it will ignore it on the basis that it belongs to an unknown SAFI”. This statement raises two comments: * Should not “will” here be “MUST”? I think both are correct but changed it to “MUST” to make it stronger. * What if SAFI used for the EVPN Inclusive MC route is known to the MP-BGP instance in the VPLS PE (e.g., because some EVPN instance with MAC-VRF in this PE has been already set)? I assume that the EVPN Inclusive MC route still MUST be ignored, but the basis for that would be that it is not understood by the VSI that represents the VPLS instance in this PE The VPLS PEs don’t support EVPN SAFI. If they do, then they are called EVPN PEs. In other words, only EVPN PEs are bi-lingual (can speak both EVPN and VPLS languages). 1. The text in Section 4.2.1 says that if, following MAC move from an EVPN PE to a VPLS PE, it initiates BUM traffic, this traffic is flooded to both VPLS and EVPN PEs and “the receiving PEs update their MAC tables (VSI or MAC-VRF)”. However, Section 3.2 says that MAC addresses received by the EVPN PE via PWs from VPLS PEs are “not injected into (PBB-)EVPN MAC-VRF tables but rather they are injected into their corresponding (PBB-)VPLS VSI table”. These two statements look mutually contradictory to me. (See also my editorial comment about having both MAC-VRF and VSI MAC table in the EVPN PE). In general, the MAC addresses learned over PWs should be injected into the MAC-VRF but depending on whether the PW is access-facing or core-facing, it will or will not be advertised in control-plane. So, I updated the paragraph in section 3.2 to the following: “When the (PBB-)EVPN PE receives traffic over the pseudowires, it learns the associated MAC addresses in the data-plane. T
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Support. Thanks, Wen From: BESS <bess-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 8:50 AM To: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-cha...@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Yes/support Cheers, Jeff From: BESS <bess-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:50 AM To: "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org> Subject: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Support Thanks Roberto From: BESS <bess-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:50 AM To: "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org> Subject: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
support thanks nabeel On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) < matthew.bo...@nokia.com> wrote: > This email begins a two-week working group last call for > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't > progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. > > Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. > > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > We are also polling for any existing implementations. > > The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. > > > > Regards, > > Matthew and Stéphane > > ___ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Support. Thanks Ali for comment responses and taking into consideration. Cisco has been shipping an implementation of this since -00 timeframe. Regards, Luc André Burdet From: BESS <bess-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Date: Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 4:47 AM To: Alexander Vainshtein <alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com>, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <saja...@cisco.com> Cc: "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Thanks for the quick turnaround. Folks, please focus any further review and comments on the new v02 of the draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ/ Regards Matthew From: Alexander Vainshtein <alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com> Date: Thursday, 29 March 2018 at 06:55 To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com>, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <saja...@cisco.com> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Subject: Re: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Ali and all, I have looked up the -02 revision of the draft, and the texr looks much more mature now. I will read it again and send technical comments (if any) next week as well as my position regarding its support. Thumb typed by Sasha Vainshtein From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <saja...@cisco.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 7:20:16 AM To: Alexander Vainshtein; Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Cc: bess-cha...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Hi Sasha, Thanks for your comments. I took care of them all in rev02 of the document that I just posted. Cheers, Ali From: Alexander Vainshtein <alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 7:32 AM To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Subject: RE: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Resent-From: <alias-boun...@ietf.org> Resent-To: Cisco Employee <saja...@cisco.com>, <ssa...@cisco.com>, <nick.delre...@verizon.com>, <jorge.raba...@nokia.com> Resent-Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 7:32 AM Matthew, and all, I’ve looked up the -01 version of the draft and I have found 5 references to a future revision of the document (all dealing with either LSM or MAC Mobility handling). These references are in the following sections: * 3.3.2 (LSM) * 4.2 (MAC mobility) * 4.3.2 (LSM) * 5.2 (MAC mobility) * 5.3.2 (LSM) BTW, the abbreviation “LSM” is not expanded in the document, and I admit that do not know what it means in the context of this draft. I wonder whether the document in this state is ready for the WG LC because, to me, these references indicate that the authors do not consider their work as complete. What, if anything, did I miss? Regards, and lots of thanks in advance, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com From: BESS [mailto:bess-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 3:50 PM To: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-cha...@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a con
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Support. Juniper has been shipping an implementation of this draft for quite some time and our customers seem to find the draft to be quite useful. Yours Irrespectively, John From: BESS <bess-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 8:50 AM To: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-cha...@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Support. Thanks Mankamana From: BESS <bess-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:50 AM To: "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org> Subject: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Hi Sasha, Once more thank very much for your review and your comments. Please refer to my reply inline From: Alexander Vainshtein <alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com> Date: Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 4:32 AM To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>, Cisco Employee <saja...@cisco.com> Subject: RE: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Hi all, Please see below some technical and editorial comments/question on the draft. Technical: 1. Section 3 mentions that integration between VPLS and EVPN is “possible (but cumbersome)” even if the brownfield VPLS service instance has been set up without BGP-based auto-discovery. I wonder if such integration is possible even if the VPLS PEs do not support BGP-based VPLS auto-discovery at all. (Note that Section 3.1 says that the VPLS PEs “advertise the BGP VPLS AD route”) Such integration is possible but cumbersome. So, I added an explanation to the end of the sentence describing why it is cumbersome: “In order to support seamless integration with (PBB-)VPLS PEs, this document requires that (PBB-)VPLS PEs support VPLS AD per [RFC6074] and (PBB-)EVPN PEs support both BGP EVPN routes per [RFC7432] and VPLS BGP-based A-D per [RFC6074]. All the logic for this seamless integration SHALL reside on the (PBB-)EVPN PEs. However, if a VPLS instance is setup without the use of BGP-based A-D, it is still possible (but cumbersome) for (PBB-)EVPN PEs to integrate into that VPLS instance by manually configuring the target VPLS PE addresses for each VPLS instance on each (PBB-)EVPN PE (i.e., the integration is no longer seamless).” 1. In Section 3.1, the draft says that, if the operator uses the same RT for VPLS AD routes and EVPN routes, “when a (PBB-)VPLS PE receives the EVPN Inclusive Multicast route, it will ignore it on the basis that it belongs to an unknown SAFI”. This statement raises two comments: * Should not “will” here be “MUST”? I think both are correct but changed it to “MUST” to make it stronger. * What if SAFI used for the EVPN Inclusive MC route is known to the MP-BGP instance in the VPLS PE (e.g., because some EVPN instance with MAC-VRF in this PE has been already set)? I assume that the EVPN Inclusive MC route still MUST be ignored, but the basis for that would be that it is not understood by the VSI that represents the VPLS instance in this PE The VPLS PEs don’t support EVPN SAFI. If they do, then they are called EVPN PEs. In other words, only EVPN PEs are bi-lingual (can speak both EVPN and VPLS languages). 1. The text in Section 4.2.1 says that if, following MAC move from an EVPN PE to a VPLS PE, it initiates BUM traffic, this traffic is flooded to both VPLS and EVPN PEs and “the receiving PEs update their MAC tables (VSI or MAC-VRF)”. However, Section 3.2 says that MAC addresses received by the EVPN PE via PWs from VPLS PEs are “not injected into (PBB-)EVPN MAC-VRF tables but rather they are injected into their corresponding (PBB-)VPLS VSI table”. These two statements look mutually contradictory to me. (See also my editorial comment about having both MAC-VRF and VSI MAC table in the EVPN PE). In general, the MAC addresses learned over PWs should be injected into the MAC-VRF but depending on whether the PW is access-facing or core-facing, it will or will not be advertised in control-plane. So, I updated the paragraph in section 3.2 to the following: “When the (PBB-)EVPN PE receives traffic over the pseudowires, it learns the associated MAC addresses in the data-plane. The MAC addresses learned over PWs are injected into (PBB-)EVPN MAC-VRF table. For seamless integration between (PBB-)EVPN and (PBB-)VPLS PEs, since the core-facing PWs belongs to the same split-horizon group as the core-facing MP2P EVPN service tunnels, then the MAC addresses learned and associated to the PWs will NOT be advertised in the control plane to any remote (PBB-)EVPN PEs. This is because every (PBB-)EVPN PE can send and receive traffic directly to/from every (PBB-)VPLS PE belonging to the same VPN instance.” Editorial: 1. Section 2, item 6 states that “The solution SHOULD support All-Active redundancy mode of multi-homed networks and multi-homed devices for (PBB-)EVPN PEs. In case of All-Active redundancy mode, the participant VPN instances SHOULD be confined to (PBB-)EVPN PEs only”. My reading of this is that All-Active redundancy mode is not compatible with seamless integration of VPLS and EVPN in the same service (hardly any surprises here). If my understanding is correct, All-Active redundancy mode seems to be out of scope for this draft. Your understanding is correct. Rephrase
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Hi all, Please see below some technical and editorial comments/question on the draft. Technical: 1. Section 3 mentions that integration between VPLS and EVPN is “possible (but cumbersome)” even if the brownfield VPLS service instance has been set up without BGP-based auto-discovery. I wonder if such integration is possible even if the VPLS PEs do not support BGP-based VPLS auto-discovery at all. (Note that Section 3.1 says that the VPLS PEs “advertise the BGP VPLS AD route”) 2. In Section 3.1, the draft says that, if the operator uses the same RT for VPLS AD routes and EVPN routes, “when a (PBB-)VPLS PE receives the EVPN Inclusive Multicast route, it will ignore it on the basis that it belongs to an unknown SAFI”. This statement raises two comments: a. Should not “will” here be “MUST”? b. What if SAFI used for the EVPN Inclusive MC route is known to the MP-BGP instance in the VPLS PE (e.g., because some EVPN instance with MAC-VRF in this PE has been already set)? I assume that the EVPN Inclusive MC route still MUST be ignored, but the basis for that would be that it is not understood by the VSI that represents the VPLS instance in this PE 3. The text in Section 4.2.1 says that if, following MAC move from an EVPN PE to a VPLS PE, it initiates BUM traffic, this traffic is flooded to both VPLS and EVPN PEs and “the receiving PEs update their MAC tables (VSI or MAC-VRF)”. However, Section 3.2 says that MAC addresses received by the EVPN PE via PWs from VPLS PEs are “not injected into (PBB-)EVPN MAC-VRF tables but rather they are injected into their corresponding (PBB-)VPLS VSI table”. These two statements look mutually contradictory to me. (See also my editorial comment about having both MAC-VRF and VSI MAC table in the EVPN PE). Editorial: 1. Section 2, item 6 states that “The solution SHOULD support All-Active redundancy mode of multi-homed networks and multi-homed devices for (PBB-)EVPN PEs. In case of All-Active redundancy mode, the participant VPN instances SHOULD be confined to (PBB-)EVPN PEs only”. My reading of this is that All-Active redundancy mode is not compatible with seamless integration of VPLS and EVPN in the same service (hardly any surprises here). If my understanding is correct, All-Active redundancy mode seems to be out of scope for this draft. 2. RT Constraint is mentioned in Section 3.1 without any references. I suggest to add an Informational reference to RFC 4684. 3. The text about MAC learning from PWs in Section 3.2 seems to suggest that the service instance in an (PBB-)EVPN PE is represented by both a dedicated MAC-VRF and a dedicated VSI. However, this issue is not explicitly presented anywhere in the draft. Some text and diagrams would be most welcome IMHO 4. Section 3.3.1: It seems that the title includes some of the content. 5. Section 3.3.2 has a very long title and no content at all. (For comparison, parallel sections 4.3.2 and 5.3.2 have short titles and some content each). 6. In section 4.2.1, a MAC address that moves from an EVPN PE to a VPLS PE is not qualified, but a MAC address that moved from a VPLS PE to an EVPN PE is referred to as a “host MAC address”. I suggest to align the terminology between these two cases. 7. Abbreviation MHN and MHD appear in Section 6 without any expansion or definition. (Looking them up in the Web did not yield anything suitable either). Hopefully, these comments will be useful, and the authors’ feedback would be highly appreciated. Regards, and lots ofthanks in advance, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com From: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) [mailto:matthew.bo...@nokia.com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 11:48 AM To: Alexander Vainshtein <alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com>; Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <saja...@cisco.com> Cc: bess-cha...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Thanks for the quick turnaround. Folks, please focus any further review and comments on the new v02 of the draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ/ Regards Matthew From: Alexander Vainshtein <alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com<mailto:alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com>> Date: Thursday, 29 March 2018 at 06:55 To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com<mailto:matthew.bo...@nokia.com>>, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <saja...@cisco.com<mailto:saja...@cisco.com>> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org<mailto:bess-cha...@ietf.org>" <bess-cha...@ietf.org<mailto:bess-cha...@ietf.org>>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>" <draft-ietf
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Support. Not aware of any IPR relevant to this document. Nokia SROS has an implementation of this draft for a few years now. Thank you, Jorge _ From: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 13:50 Subject: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt To: <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, <bess@ietf.org> Cc: <bess-cha...@ietf.org> This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Thanks for the quick turnaround. Folks, please focus any further review and comments on the new v02 of the draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ/ Regards Matthew From: Alexander Vainshtein <alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com> Date: Thursday, 29 March 2018 at 06:55 To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com>, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <saja...@cisco.com> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Subject: Re: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Ali and all, I have looked up the -02 revision of the draft, and the texr looks much more mature now. I will read it again and send technical comments (if any) next week as well as my position regarding its support. Thumb typed by Sasha Vainshtein From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <saja...@cisco.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 7:20:16 AM To: Alexander Vainshtein; Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Cc: bess-cha...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Hi Sasha, Thanks for your comments. I took care of them all in rev02 of the document that I just posted. Cheers, Ali From: Alexander Vainshtein <alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 7:32 AM To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Subject: RE: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Resent-From: <alias-boun...@ietf.org> Resent-To: Cisco Employee <saja...@cisco.com>, <ssa...@cisco.com>, <nick.delre...@verizon.com>, <jorge.raba...@nokia.com> Resent-Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 7:32 AM Matthew, and all, I’ve looked up the -01 version of the draft and I have found 5 references to a future revision of the document (all dealing with either LSM or MAC Mobility handling). These references are in the following sections: * 3.3.2 (LSM) * 4.2 (MAC mobility) * 4.3.2 (LSM) * 5.2 (MAC mobility) * 5.3.2 (LSM) BTW, the abbreviation “LSM” is not expanded in the document, and I admit that do not know what it means in the context of this draft. I wonder whether the document in this state is ready for the WG LC because, to me, these references indicate that the authors do not consider their work as complete. What, if anything, did I miss? Regards, and lots of thanks in advance, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com From: BESS [mailto:bess-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 3:50 PM To: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-cha...@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains information which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If you have received this transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phone or fax, and then delete the original and all copies thereof. ___
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Ali and all, I have looked up the -02 revision of the draft, and the texr looks much more mature now. I will read it again and send technical comments (if any) next week as well as my position regarding its support. Thumb typed by Sasha Vainshtein From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <saja...@cisco.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 7:20:16 AM To: Alexander Vainshtein; Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Cc: bess-cha...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Hi Sasha, Thanks for your comments. I took care of them all in rev02 of the document that I just posted. Cheers, Ali From: Alexander Vainshtein <alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 7:32 AM To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Subject: RE: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Resent-From: <alias-boun...@ietf.org> Resent-To: Cisco Employee <saja...@cisco.com>, <ssa...@cisco.com>, <nick.delre...@verizon.com>, <jorge.raba...@nokia.com> Resent-Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 7:32 AM Matthew, and all, I’ve looked up the -01 version of the draft and I have found 5 references to a future revision of the document (all dealing with either LSM or MAC Mobility handling). These references are in the following sections: * 3.3.2 (LSM) * 4.2 (MAC mobility) * 4.3.2 (LSM) * 5.2 (MAC mobility) * 5.3.2 (LSM) BTW, the abbreviation “LSM” is not expanded in the document, and I admit that do not know what it means in the context of this draft. I wonder whether the document in this state is ready for the WG LC because, to me, these references indicate that the authors do not consider their work as complete. What, if anything, did I miss? Regards, and lots of thanks in advance, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com From: BESS [mailto:bess-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 3:50 PM To: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-cha...@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains information which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If you have received this transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phone or fax, and then delete the original and all copies thereof. ___ ___ This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains information which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If you have received this transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phone or fax, and then delete the original and all copies thereof. __ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Hi Sasha, Thanks for your comments. I took care of them all in rev02 of the document that I just posted. Cheers, Ali From: Alexander Vainshtein <alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 7:32 AM To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Subject: RE: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Resent-From: <alias-boun...@ietf.org> Resent-To: Cisco Employee <saja...@cisco.com>, <ssa...@cisco.com>, <nick.delre...@verizon.com>, <jorge.raba...@nokia.com> Resent-Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 7:32 AM Matthew, and all, I’ve looked up the -01 version of the draft and I have found 5 references to a future revision of the document (all dealing with either LSM or MAC Mobility handling). These references are in the following sections: * 3.3.2 (LSM) * 4.2 (MAC mobility) * 4.3.2 (LSM) * 5.2 (MAC mobility) * 5.3.2 (LSM) BTW, the abbreviation “LSM” is not expanded in the document, and I admit that do not know what it means in the context of this draft. I wonder whether the document in this state is ready for the WG LC because, to me, these references indicate that the authors do not consider their work as complete. What, if anything, did I miss? Regards, and lots of thanks in advance, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com From: BESS [mailto:bess-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 3:50 PM To: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-cha...@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains information which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If you have received this transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phone or fax, and then delete the original and all copies thereof. ___ ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Support as a co-author. I am not aware of any IPR that hasn’t already been disclosed. Cisco has implemented this draft for quite a while now (since 2014 I think). Cheers, Ali From: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:50 AM To: "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org> Subject: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Resent-From: <alias-boun...@ietf.org> Resent-To: Cisco Employee <saja...@cisco.com>, <ssa...@cisco.com>, <nick.delre...@verizon.com>, <jorge.raba...@nokia.com> Resent-Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:50 AM This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
I am not aware of any IPR related to this document beyond what has already been disclosed. Thanks, Samer From: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:50 AM To: "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org> Subject: WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Resent-From: <alias-boun...@ietf.org> Resent-To: <saja...@cisco.com>, <ssa...@cisco.com>, <nick.delre...@verizon.com>, <jorge.raba...@nokia.com> Resent-Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:50 AM This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
I support publication. Thanks, Acee From: BESS <bess-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bo...@nokia.com> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 8:50 AM To: "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org> Cc: "bess-cha...@ietf.org" <bess-cha...@ietf.org> Subject: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
Matthew, and all, I’ve looked up the -01 version of the draft and I have found 5 references to a future revision of the document (all dealing with either LSM or MAC Mobility handling). These references are in the following sections: · 3.3.2 (LSM) · 4.2 (MAC mobility) · 4.3.2 (LSM) · 5.2 (MAC mobility) · 5.3.2 (LSM) BTW, the abbreviation “LSM” is not expanded in the document, and I admit that do not know what it means in the context of this draft. I wonder whether the document in this state is ready for the WG LC because, to me, these references indicate that the authors do not consider their work as complete. What, if anything, did I miss? Regards, and lots of thanks in advance, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: alexander.vainsht...@ecitele.com From: BESS [mailto:bess-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 3:50 PM To: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-in...@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-cha...@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains information which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If you have received this transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phone or fax, and then delete the original and all copies thereof. ___ ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
[bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt
This email begins a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementations. The working group last call closes on Wednesday 11th April. Regards, Matthew and Stéphane ___ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
