Re: [Bikies] Cottage Grove Rd at PBMVC Tuesday

[Grant Foster via Bikies]

Status update on this project from PBMVC meeting:

Original plan called for two 11' lanes (plus turn lanes) and a 4'
unbuffered bike lane in each direction.

Draft plan was updated to show one 10' lane, one 11' lane, and a 5'
unbuffered bike lane in each direction.

TE is looking at the possibility of two 10' lanes, a 2' buffer, and a 4'
bike lane in each direction.

This final option is dependent on the amount of truck traffic that uses
this roadway currently and also contingent upon WIDOT's approval. If truck
traffic is low enough, there is hope that we can get approval for the two
10' treatment which would allow for the bike buffer.

Part of the constraints with this project is that approximately 1/4 of the
project roadway has the 2-lane, 4' bike lane treatment installed with
gutters (completed at the the time of Grandview Commons construction and
installed by the developer). If we were to start from scratch, there would
likely be an opportunity to expand the right of way slightly to accommodate
a 10', 11', 3' buffer, 5' bike lane approach.

I did request at the meeting that if we are unsuccessful in getting
approval for the newest concept that includes the bike lane buffer, that we
evaluate the cost to update the existing section (replace the curb) in
order to accommodate a bike buffer throughout the project area.

The 4' lane and 2' buffer is not exactly ideal, but would be a significant
improvement and should be workable as a solution.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015, 16:37 Grant Foster  wrote:

> You don't need spandex to make it up that hill, Tim; maybe just an
> increase of spinach and Wheaties in your diet;)
>
>
> The two major issues with this proposed reconstruct are: 1) the conversion
> of a 10-15,000 VMT roadway to a 4-lane (plus turn lane) boulevard and 2)
> the installation of a 5' unbuffered/unprotected bike lane on a that 4-lane,
> 40mph design-speed roadway.
>
> Why do we want to build a stroad here? Why would a N. Sherman-style TWLTL
> not work? Do we honestly ever expect anyone other than the bold and
> fearless to use this bike lane? What example can we point to where
> grandmothers and children are comfortable riding on this sort of facilty?
>
> There are no alternate routes to cross the interstate on bicycle between
> Milwaukee and Buckeye. Why does that matter? Here are travel times by bike
> from the middle of this New Urbanist neighborhood:
>
> Elvejem School-9 minutes
> Kennedy School-11 min
> LaFollette-23 min
> Rolling Meadows Shopping Center-7 min
> YMCA/Royster Clark dev.-13 min
> Pinney Library-14 min
> Lake Edge Shopping Center-16 miin
> Olbrich Park and Gardens-19 min
>
> And of course there are a ton of residents on the west side of the
> interstate that could (should) have great bike access to the grocery store
> or Great Dane in this neighborhood as well. Do we resign to have all of
> those trips happen by personal MV or are we seriously committed to
> promoting and facilitating bike travel as a real transportation alternative?
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:54 PM, tim wong via Bikies <
> bikies@lists.danenet.org> wrote:
>
>> that long hill up Cottage Grove Rd. is a deterrent to many, especially
>> the non-Spandex commandos.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Robbie Webber via Bikies <
>> bikies@lists.danenet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Got this from Grant Foster (below). With few driveways and a complete
>>> reconstruction of the roadway, this is a perfect opportunity to build
>>> protected bike lanes. Even if they were only protected with plastic
>>> bollards, that would give a visual cue to motorists and would likely also
>>> visually narrow the driving area and slow traffic.
>>>
>>> With a signed speed limit of 40 MPH and a wide-open feel likely meaning
>>> a much higher actual average speed, Cottage Grove Rd as proposed is hardly
>>> bike friendly. Yet it is a significant "escape route" to eastern Dane
>>> County and a growing area with new urbanist neighborhoods being built.
>>>
>>> When we have the chance to build a much safer and more bike-friendly
>>> road -- which will also be safer for pedestrians and transit users -- it is
>>> a crime not to do so.
>>>
>>> [start forwarded message]
>>>
>>> There will be an update provided to PBMVC on Tuesday, 10/27, on the
>>> future Cottage Grove Rd. project. Would be a good time to register any
>>> feedback with the commission regarding the expansion to a 4-lane section
>>> and the unbuffered/unprotected bike lanes proposed (note: they have grown
>>> from 4' to 5' in width). Always great to show up and share your thoughts
>>> verbally or you can also send in written comments ahead of the meeting.
>>>
>>> Details of project here:
>>>
>>> https://madison.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=2501564=C351E991-D620-49CD-B60E-FE794FFCD38B
>>>
>>>
>>> Robbie Webber
>>> Transportation Policy Analyst
>>> 608-263-9984 (o)
>>> 608-225-0002 (c)
>>> rob...@robbiewebber.org
>>> All opinions expressed are my own and do not 

Re: [Bikies] Cottage Grove Rd at PBMVC Tuesday

[tim wong via Bikies]

that long hill up Cottage Grove Rd. is a deterrent to many, especially the
non-Spandex commandos.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Robbie Webber via Bikies <
bikies@lists.danenet.org> wrote:

> Got this from Grant Foster (below). With few driveways and a complete
> reconstruction of the roadway, this is a perfect opportunity to build
> protected bike lanes. Even if they were only protected with plastic
> bollards, that would give a visual cue to motorists and would likely also
> visually narrow the driving area and slow traffic.
>
> With a signed speed limit of 40 MPH and a wide-open feel likely meaning a
> much higher actual average speed, Cottage Grove Rd as proposed is hardly
> bike friendly. Yet it is a significant "escape route" to eastern Dane
> County and a growing area with new urbanist neighborhoods being built.
>
> When we have the chance to build a much safer and more bike-friendly road
> -- which will also be safer for pedestrians and transit users -- it is a
> crime not to do so.
>
> [start forwarded message]
>
> There will be an update provided to PBMVC on Tuesday, 10/27, on the future
> Cottage Grove Rd. project. Would be a good time to register any feedback
> with the commission regarding the expansion to a 4-lane section and the
> unbuffered/unprotected bike lanes proposed (note: they have grown from 4'
> to 5' in width). Always great to show up and share your thoughts verbally
> or you can also send in written comments ahead of the meeting.
>
> Details of project here:
>
> https://madison.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=2501564=C351E991-D620-49CD-B60E-FE794FFCD38B
>
>
> Robbie Webber
> Transportation Policy Analyst
> 608-263-9984 (o)
> 608-225-0002 (c)
> rob...@robbiewebber.org
> All opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
> my employer or any other group with which I am affiliated.
>
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