Re: problem registering DS records with EDUCAUSE, sanity check please

2014-07-15 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 07:14:57PM -0700,
 Paul B. Henson hen...@acm.org wrote 
 a message of 56 lines which said:

 I also don't think this is what educause is doing, as I haven't had
 any trouble entering DS records for published but not activated
 KSK's in the past,

You can also note that it is quite common to publish DS without any
matching KSK. It is even documented in RFC 6781, section 4.2.4. For an
actual example, see .UK http://dnsviz.net/d/uk/dnssec/ (the yellow
path).


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Does bind read /etc/hosts?

2014-07-15 Thread houguanghua
Dear sir/madam,
 
Before Bind consults authority NS, does it access /etc/hosts?  In my testing,  
it does not even seem to access /etc/hosts. But someone tells me Bind can 
access /etc/hosts first. Can you pls tell me how to config Bind to access 
/etc/hosts fist?
 
Thanks,
Guanghua
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Re: Does bind read /etc/hosts?

2014-07-15 Thread Mark Andrews

In message bay173-w11d824e324939a1bb89852bb...@phx.gbl, houguanghua writes:
 Dear sir/madam,
  
 Before Bind consults authority NS, does it access /etc/hosts?  In my 
 testing,  it does not even seem to access /etc/hosts. But someone tells 
 me Bind can access /etc/hosts first. Can you pls tell me how to config 
 Bind to access /etc/hosts fist?
  
 Thanks,
 Guanghua

No.

getaddrinfo, gethostbyname etc. however may access /etc/hosts, NIS,
mDNS, DNS and other databases.  You need to read the documentation
that comes with your system for how to control these.

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Re: Does bind read /etc/hosts?

2014-07-15 Thread Niall O'Reilly
At Tue, 15 Jul 2014 10:28:30 +,
houguanghua wrote:
 
 Before Bind consults authority NS, does it access /etc/hosts? In my
 testing, it does not even seem to access /etc/hosts.

  That's right.  BIND tools (dig, ...) are DNS tools.
  Local files aren't part of the DNS.

  For more information, please see 
http://serverfault.com/questions/498500/why-does-the-host-command-not-resolve-entries-in-etc-hosts
 

  Best regards,
  Niall O'Reilly
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BIND 9.10.0-P2 prefetch problem

2014-07-15 Thread Tracy, Tedd C. Contractor
I'm having problems querying one particular domain with BIND 9.10.0-P2 if 
prefetch is enabled. I have been able to duplicate the problem from multiple 
servers running 9.10.0-P2 with different operating systems but I have not been 
able to duplicate the problem with any other domains (yet, I'm still trying),

The domain that shows the problem is 
www.securityplusfcuhb.orghttp://www.securityplusfcuhb.org. It is a CNAME that 
points to a CNAME that points to an A record:
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.securityplusfcuhb.org. IN  A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.securityplusfcuhb.org. 86399 IN CNAME   
securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com.
securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com. 30 IN CNAME   
03845.olb.prd1.flb.digitalinsight.com.
03845.olb.prd1.flb.digitalinsight.com. 30 IN A  199.102.151.76

As long as no queries are performed at a time that would trigger a prefetch, 
everything is fine. If a query is performed at a time that does trigger a 
prefetch, all subsequent queries return NXDOMAIN.
dig @localhost a www.securityplusfcuhb.org

;  DiG 9.10.0-P2  @localhost a www.securityplusfcuhb.org
; (2 servers found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 49996
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.securityplusfcuhb.org. IN  A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.securityplusfcuhb.org. 86187 IN CNAME   
securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
flb.intuit.com. 597 IN  SOA flbflb-gtm-qydc.intuit.com. 
hostmaster.flb.intuit.com. 2014022110 10800 3600 604800 86400

Flushing the cache fixes the problem. Disabling prefetch prevents the problem 
from happening.


Tedd
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Re: BIND 9.10.0-P2 prefetch problem

2014-07-15 Thread Tony Finch
Tracy, Tedd C.   Contractor tedd.c.tr...@ssa.gov wrote:

 ;; ANSWER SECTION:
 www.securityplusfcuhb.org. 86399 IN CNAME   
 securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com.
 securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com. 30 IN CNAME   
 03845.olb.prd1.flb.digitalinsight.com.
 03845.olb.prd1.flb.digitalinsight.com. 30 IN A  199.102.151.76

 As long as no queries are performed at a time that would trigger a
 prefetch, everything is fine. If a query is performed at a time that
 does trigger a prefetch, all subsequent queries return NXDOMAIN.

The problem is one of the name servers responds incorrectly to CNAME
queries:

;  DiG  cname securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com. 
@flbflb-gtm-lvdc.intuit.com.
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 7806
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com. IN   CNAME

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
flb.intuit.com. 600 IN  SOA flbflb-gtm-qydc.intuit.com. 
hostmaster.flb.intuit.com. 2014022110 10800 3600 604800 86400

;; Query time: 150 msec
;; SERVER: 63.172.232.28#53(63.172.232.28)
;; WHEN: Tue Jul 15 18:06:45 BST 2014
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 124


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RE: Does bind read /etc/hosts?

2014-07-15 Thread Lightner, Jeff

The confusion can come in because some UNIX variants (notably HP-UX) nslookup 
was modified to honor /etc/nsswitch.conf so it DOES check /etc/hosts if files 
precedes dns.

However, in most things (e.g. Linux, Solaris) nslookup (and the newer host 
command) do not look at /etc/hosts regardless of nsswitch.conf setting.



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From: bind-users-boun...@lists.isc.org 
[mailto:bind-users-boun...@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Niall O'Reilly
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 6:57 AM
To: houguanghua
Cc: bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: Re: Does bind read /etc/hosts?

At Tue, 15 Jul 2014 10:28:30 +,
houguanghua wrote:

 Before Bind consults authority NS, does it access /etc/hosts? In my
 testing, it does not even seem to access /etc/hosts.

  That's right.  BIND tools (dig, ...) are DNS tools.
  Local files aren't part of the DNS.

  For more information, please see
http://serverfault.com/questions/498500/why-does-the-host-command-not-resolve-entries-in-etc-hosts

  Best regards,
  Niall O'Reilly
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RE: problem registering DS records with EDUCAUSE, sanity check please

2014-07-15 Thread Paul B. Henson
 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer
 Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:43 AM

 You can also note that it is quite common to publish DS without any
 matching KSK. It is even documented in RFC 6781, section 4.2.4. For an
 actual example, see .UK http://dnsviz.net/d/uk/dnssec/ (the yellow
 path).

Interesting, my understanding was that if there was a dangling DS record in
the parent that did not match a published DNSKEY in the child a validating
client might consider the zone bogus and refuse to resolve it.

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Re: BIND 9.10.0-P2 prefetch problem

2014-07-15 Thread Mark Andrews

The nameservers for securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com are broken.

dig securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com @flbflb-gtm-qydc.intuit.com ns - NXDOMAIN
dig securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com @flbflb-gtm-qydc.intuit.com a - CNAME
dig securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com @flbflb-gtm-qydc.intuit.com  - NODATA
dig securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com @flbflb-gtm-qydc.intuit.com cname - 
NXDOMAIN

A properly functioning, RFC 1034 [1] compliant, nameserver will
return CNAME to all these queries as there is a CNAME record in the
zone at that name.  intuit.com need to complain to their nameserver
vendor to get it fixed.  They also need to complain that the EDNS
handling [2] is broken as they the servers fail to correctly handle
EDNS versions other than 0 and they fail to correctly handle unknown
EDNS options.

dig securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com @flbflb-gtm-qydc.intuit.com a +edns=1
- fails to respond. The correct answer is BADVERS.
dig securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com @flbflb-gtm-qydc.intuit.com a +ednsopt=200
- incorrectly returns unknown EDNS options.

Mark

[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1034
[2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6891

In message f80b214c2304c641b917b47051d743c4201b6cc...@hq-mb-08.ba.ad.ssa.gov,
 Tracy, Tedd C. Contractor writes:
 
 I'm having problems querying one particular domain with BIND 9.10.0-P2 if p=
 refetch is enabled. I have been able to duplicate the problem from multiple=
  servers running 9.10.0-P2 with different operating systems but I have not =
 been able to duplicate the problem with any other domains (yet, I'm still t=
 rying),
 
 The domain that shows the problem is www.securityplusfcuhb.orghttp://www.s=
 ecurityplusfcuhb.org. It is a CNAME that points to a CNAME that points to =
 an A record:
 ;; QUESTION SECTION:
 ;www.securityplusfcuhb.org. IN  A
 
 ;; ANSWER SECTION:
 www.securityplusfcuhb.org. 86399 IN CNAME   securityplusfcuhb.flb.intui=
 t.com.
 securityplusfcuhb.flb.intuit.com. 30 IN CNAME   03845.olb.prd1.flb.digitali=
 nsight.com.
 03845.olb.prd1.flb.digitalinsight.com. 30 IN A  199.102.151.76
 
 As long as no queries are performed at a time that would trigger a prefetch=
 , everything is fine. If a query is performed at a time that does trigger a=
  prefetch, all subsequent queries return NXDOMAIN.
 dig @localhost a www.securityplusfcuhb.org
 
 ;  DiG 9.10.0-P2  @localhost a www.securityplusfcuhb.org
 ; (2 servers found)
 ;; global options: +cmd
 ;; Got answer:
 ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 49996
 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1
 
 ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
 ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
 ;; QUESTION SECTION:
 ;www.securityplusfcuhb.org. IN  A
 
 ;; ANSWER SECTION:
 www.securityplusfcuhb.org. 86187 IN CNAME   securityplusfcuhb.flb.intui=
 t.com.
 
 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
 flb.intuit.com. 597 IN  SOA flbflb-gtm-qydc.intuit.com.=
  hostmaster.flb.intuit.com. 2014022110 10800 3600 604800 86400
 
 Flushing the cache fixes the problem. Disabling prefetch prevents the probl=
 em from happening.
 
 
 Tedd
 
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  problems querying one particular domain with BIND 9.10.0-P2 if prefetch is=
  enabled. I have been able to duplicate the problem from 

Can someone please translate entries from query.log file?

2014-07-15 Thread Samad Agha
Hi All,
Can someone please tell me exactly what the two entries below from
query.log file mean?

15-Jul-2014 16:24:27.042 queries: XX /
206.117.120.2/foothillfiretraining.org/SOA/IN

15-Jul-2014 16:24:34.100 queries: XX /
206.117.120.84/129.118.117.206.in-addr.arpa/PTR/IN

I'm running BIND 8.2.4 on Solaris 8

root@bmw:/export/home/dns # in.named -v
in.named BIND 8.2.4 Tue Jul 13 06:04:59 PDT 2004
Generic Patch-5.8-July 2004
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Re: problem registering DS records with EDUCAUSE, sanity check please

2014-07-15 Thread Mark Andrews

In message 070d01cfa067$ad9b1050$08d130f0$@acm.org, Paul B. Henson writes:
  From: Stephane Bortzmeyer
  Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:43 AM
 
  You can also note that it is quite common to publish DS without any
  matching KSK. It is even documented in RFC 6781, section 4.2.4. For an
  actual example, see .UK http://dnsviz.net/d/uk/dnssec/ (the yellow
  path).
 
 Interesting, my understanding was that if there was a dangling DS record in
 the parent that did not match a published DNSKEY in the child a validating
 client might consider the zone bogus and refuse to resolve it.

There has to a working combination of DS/DNSKEY/RRSIG for each
DNSSEC algorithm listed in the DS RRset.  DS records without a
matching DNSKEY or matching RRSIG cause validators to do more work.

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Re: Can someone please translate entries from query.log file?

2014-07-15 Thread Novosielski, Ryan
Looks like finding who is authoritative foothillfiretraining.org and then doing 
a reverse lookup on an address.


From: Samad Agha [mailto:samad.agha2...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 04:33 PM
To: DNS BIND bind-us...@isc.org; bind-users@lists.isc.org 
bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: Can someone please translate entries from query.log file?

Hi All,
Can someone please tell me exactly what the two entries below from query.log 
file mean?

15-Jul-2014 16:24:27.042 queries: XX 
/206.117.120.2/foothillfiretraining.org/SOA/INhttp://206.117.120.2/foothillfiretraining.org/SOA/IN

15-Jul-2014 16:24:34.100 queries: XX 
/206.117.120.84/129.118.117.206.in-addr.arpa/PTR/INhttp://206.117.120.84/129.118.117.206.in-addr.arpa/PTR/IN

I'm running BIND 8.2.4 on Solaris 8

root@bmw:/export/home/dns # in.named -v
in.named BIND 8.2.4 Tue Jul 13 06:04:59 PDT 2004
Generic Patch-5.8-July 2004
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Re: Can someone please translate entries from query.log file?

2014-07-15 Thread Mark Andrews

Truly, you need to upgrade.  The latest BIND 9 should still build
and run on Solaris 8 though that hasn't been tested in years.  You
will need to install a C99 or later based compiler.

As to your question you have the query source address, the query
name, the query type and the query class seperated by / characters.

Mark

In message caoqzdmojqegfyc_ag6l-lwflcujszti8ipf_qus+dpqmpkn...@mail.gmail.com
, Samad Agha writes:
 
 Hi All,
 Can someone please tell me exactly what the two entries below from
 query.log file mean?
 
 15-Jul-2014 16:24:27.042 queries: XX /
 206.117.120.2/foothillfiretraining.org/SOA/IN
 
 15-Jul-2014 16:24:34.100 queries: XX /
 206.117.120.84/129.118.117.206.in-addr.arpa/PTR/IN
 
 I'm running BIND 8.2.4 on Solaris 8
 
 root@bmw:/export/home/dns # in.named -v
 in.named BIND 8.2.4 Tue Jul 13 06:04:59 PDT 2004
 Generic Patch-5.8-July 2004
 
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1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
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RE: Does bind read /etc/hosts?

2014-07-15 Thread houguanghua
Sorry for what I said isn't very clear. I did know when the /etc/hosts is 
accessed in the OS.
What I want to know is whether the named access the hosts file. The /etc/hosts 
file isn't in the client's system, but in the system of Local DNS server where 
the 'named' task runs. For example:
  In the /etc/hosts file of Local DNS server(LDNS), one line exists as 
follows:
  10.10.10.1 www.google.com   
 A client querys this LDNS to get the IP of 'www.google.com' (the client 
may use dig,nslookup command. No host line is configured in /etc/hosts of this 
client ), what IP will be returned to the client?  Can the LDNS  return 
10.10.10.1 defined in the /etc/hosts to the client?  maybe some special 
configuration in named can support this feature.
 
Thanks,
Guanghua
 
 To: houguang...@hotmail.com
 CC: bind-us...@isc.org
 From: ma...@isc.org
 Subject: Re: Does bind read /etc/hosts?
 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:38:12 +1000
 
 
 In message bay173-w11d824e324939a1bb89852bb...@phx.gbl, houguanghua writes:
  Dear sir/madam,
   
  Before Bind consults authority NS, does it access /etc/hosts?  In my 
  testing,  it does not even seem to access /etc/hosts. But someone tells 
  me Bind can access /etc/hosts first. Can you pls tell me how to config 
  Bind to access /etc/hosts fist?
   
  Thanks,
  Guanghua
 
 No.
 
 getaddrinfo, gethostbyname etc. however may access /etc/hosts, NIS,
 mDNS, DNS and other databases.  You need to read the documentation
 that comes with your system for how to control these.
 
 Mark
 -- 
 Mark Andrews, ISC
 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
 PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org
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Re: Does bind read /etc/hosts?

2014-07-15 Thread Mark Andrews

In message bay173-w26f0d751d9e56ffda14b15bb...@phx.gbl, houguanghua writes:
 Sorry for what I said isn't very clear. I did know when the /etc/hosts is 
 accessed in the OS.
 What I want to know is whether the named access the hosts file.

And I gave you a clear, unequivicable No.  Named does not
read /etc/hosts.

Mark

 The 
 /etc/hosts file isn't in the client's system, but in the system of Local 
 DNS server where the 'named' task runs. For example:
   In the /etc/hosts file of Local DNS server(LDNS), one line exists 
 as follows:
   10.10.10.1 www.google.com   
  A client querys this LDNS to get the IP of 'www.google.com' (the 
 client may use dig,nslookup command. No host line is configured in 
 /etc/hosts of this client ), what IP will be returned to the client?  Can 
 the LDNS  return 10.10.10.1 defined in the /etc/hosts to the client?  
 maybe some special configuration in named can support this feature.
  
 Thanks,
 Guanghua
  
  To: houguang...@hotmail.com
  CC: bind-us...@isc.org
  From: ma...@isc.org
  Subject: Re: Does bind read /etc/hosts?
  Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:38:12 +1000
  
  
  In message bay173-w11d824e324939a1bb89852bb...@phx.gbl, houguanghua 
 writes:
   Dear sir/madam,

   Before Bind consults authority NS, does it access /etc/hosts?  In my 
   testing,  it does not even seem to access /etc/hosts. But someone 
 tells 
   me Bind can access /etc/hosts first. Can you pls tell me how to 
 config 
   Bind to access /etc/hosts fist?

   Thanks,
   Guanghua
  
  No.
  
  getaddrinfo, gethostbyname etc. however may access /etc/hosts, NIS,
  mDNS, DNS and other databases.  You need to read the documentation
  that comes with your system for how to control these.
  
  Mark
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RE: Does bind read /etc/hosts?

2014-07-15 Thread houguanghua
 Thanks a lot.
 
 To: houguang...@hotmail.com
 CC: bind-us...@isc.org
 From: ma...@isc.org
 Subject: Re: Does bind read /etc/hosts?
 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:33:00 +1000
 
 
 In message bay173-w26f0d751d9e56ffda14b15bb...@phx.gbl, houguanghua writes:
  Sorry for what I said isn't very clear. I did know when the /etc/hosts is 
  accessed in the OS.
  What I want to know is whether the named access the hosts file.
 
   And I gave you a clear, unequivicable No.  Named does not
   read /etc/hosts.
 
   Mark
 
  The 
  /etc/hosts file isn't in the client's system, but in the system of Local 
  DNS server where the 'named' task runs. For example:
In the /etc/hosts file of Local DNS server(LDNS), one line exists 
  as follows:
10.10.10.1 www.google.com   
   A client querys this LDNS to get the IP of 'www.google.com' (the 
  client may use dig,nslookup command. No host line is configured in 
  /etc/hosts of this client ), what IP will be returned to the client?  Can 
  the LDNS  return 10.10.10.1 defined in the /etc/hosts to the client?  
  maybe some special configuration in named can support this feature.
   
  Thanks,
  Guanghua
   
   To: houguang...@hotmail.com
   CC: bind-us...@isc.org
   From: ma...@isc.org
   Subject: Re: Does bind read /etc/hosts?
   Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:38:12 +1000
   
   
   In message bay173-w11d824e324939a1bb89852bb...@phx.gbl, houguanghua 
  writes:
Dear sir/madam,
 
Before Bind consults authority NS, does it access /etc/hosts?  In my 
testing,  it does not even seem to access /etc/hosts. But someone 
  tells 
me Bind can access /etc/hosts first. Can you pls tell me how to 
  config 
Bind to access /etc/hosts fist?
 
Thanks,
Guanghua
   
   No.
   
   getaddrinfo, gethostbyname etc. however may access /etc/hosts, NIS,
   mDNS, DNS and other databases.  You need to read the documentation
   that comes with your system for how to control these.
   
   Mark
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Re: Does bind read /etc/hosts?

2014-07-15 Thread Karl Auer
   What I want to know is whether the named access the hosts file.

I wonder if the OP is actually asking for a way to have BIND return
specific values for specific host names, without having them looked up
in the real DNS.

Guanghua, can you tell us the result you wish to achieve? From your
example, it looks as if you are trying to get BIND to return a value of
your choice, rather than the value that would normally be returned by a
DNS lookup.

Regards, K.

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Re: Does bind read /etc/hosts?

2014-07-15 Thread Reindl Harald

Am 16.07.2014 03:27, schrieb houguanghua:
 Sorry for what I said isn't very clear

you wheer clear

 I did know when the /etc/hosts is accessed in the OS

agreed

 What I want to know is whether the named access the hosts file
 The /etc/hosts file isn't in the client's system,

for bind applies the same as for bind-utils (dig, nslookup...)
anything else would be strange and unpredictable behavior

 but in the system of Local DNS server where the 'named' task runs. For 
 example:
  In the /etc/hosts file of Local DNS server(LDNS), one line exists as follows:
  10.10.10.1 www.google.com

bind don't care about that

 A client querys this LDNS to get the IP of 'www.google.com' (the client 
 may use dig,nslookup command. No host line is configured in /etc/hosts 
 of this client ), what IP will be returned to the client?  

the one of the DNS system

 Can the LDNS  return 10.10.10.1 defined in the /etc/hosts to the client?  
 maybe some special configuration in named can support this feature

wrong tool -  dnsmasq can but on the other hand has no bind-like zonefiles



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Re: Does bind read /etc/hosts?

2014-07-15 Thread Mark Andrews

In message 53c5e714.5080...@thelounge.net, Reindl Harald writes:
  Can the LDNS  return 10.10.10.1 defined in the /etc/hosts to the
  client?
  maybe some special configuration in named can support this feature

 wrong tool -  dnsmasq can but on the other hand has no bind-like
 zonefiles

Neither dnsmasq nor named read /etc/hosts.  Both can be used to
override data from outside.  They just have different configuration
methods.

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Re: Does bind read /etc/hosts?

2014-07-15 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote:

 In message 53c5e714.5080...@thelounge.net, Reindl Harald writes:
  Can the LDNS  return 10.10.10.1 defined in the /etc/hosts to the
  client?
  maybe some special configuration in named can support this feature

 wrong tool -  dnsmasq can but on the other hand has no bind-like
 zonefiles

 Neither dnsmasq nor named read /etc/hosts.

From dnsmasq man page:

...  It loads the contents of /etc/hosts so that local hostnames which
do not appear in the global DNS can be resolved and also answers DNS
queries for DHCP configured hosts

So dnsmasq does read /etc/hosts. Or did you mean something else?

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Re: Does bind read /etc/hosts?

2014-07-15 Thread Reindl Harald

Am 16.07.2014 04:55, schrieb Mark Andrews:
 In message 53c5e714.5080...@thelounge.net, Reindl Harald writes:
 Can the LDNS  return 10.10.10.1 defined in the /etc/hosts to the
 client?
 maybe some special configuration in named can support this feature

 wrong tool -  dnsmasq can but on the other hand has no bind-like
 zonefiles
 
 Neither dnsmasq nor named read /etc/hosts.  Both can be used to
 override data from outside. They just have different configuration
 methods

surely, otherwise --no-hosts or the config param to disable
that would not make sense, using it with ATS in production

[root@localhost:~]$ dnsmasq --help | grep no-hosts
-h, --no-hosts Do NOT load /etc/hosts file.

-H, --addn-hosts=file
 Additional hosts file. Read the specified file as well as /etc/hosts.
 If -h is given, read only the specified file. This option may be
 repeated for more than one additional hosts file. If a directory
 is given, then read all the files contained in that directory.

[root@localhost:~]$ cat /etc/dnsmasq.conf
resolv-file=/etc/resolv.conf.dnsmasq
strict-order
user=nobody
group=nobody
interface=lo
no-dhcp-interface=lo
bind-interfaces
no-hosts
addn-hosts=/etc/hosts.dnsmasq
local-ttl=3600



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Re: Does bind read /etc/hosts?

2014-07-15 Thread Mark Andrews

Ok, I stand corrected.  That said both named and dnsmasq as well
as other products can override data from outside.

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