Re: [Bioc-devel] Data package timeouts
Thanks, Leo. It turns out that that accession is not "public" yet; the "file" that GEOquery gets is just an HTML page saying so. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/geo/query/acc.cgi?acc=GSM1062236 I'll work on fix to catch such problems. Sean On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Leonardo Collado Torreswrote: > Hi Sean, > > I'm still seeing some timeouts with GEOquery 2.46.10 on bioc-release. > Here's a quick example: > > library('GEOquery') > getGEO('GSM1062236', getGPL = FALSE) > > I found it from > https://github.com/leekgroup/recount/blob/master/tests/ > testthat/test-misc.R#L19 > > Best, > Leo > > > > library('GEOquery') > Loading required package: Biobase > Loading required package: BiocGenerics > Loading required package: parallel > > Attaching package: ‘BiocGenerics’ > > The following objects are masked from ‘package:parallel’: > > clusterApply, clusterApplyLB, clusterCall, clusterEvalQ, > clusterExport, clusterMap, parApply, parCapply, parLapply, > parLapplyLB, parRapply, parSapply, parSapplyLB > > The following objects are masked from ‘package:stats’: > > IQR, mad, sd, var, xtabs > > The following objects are masked from ‘package:base’: > > anyDuplicated, append, as.data.frame, cbind, colMeans, colnames, > colSums, do.call, duplicated, eval, evalq, Filter, Find, get, grep, > grepl, intersect, is.unsorted, lapply, lengths, Map, mapply, match, > mget, order, paste, pmax, pmax.int, pmin, pmin.int, Position, rank, > rbind, Reduce, rowMeans, rownames, rowSums, sapply, setdiff, sort, > table, tapply, union, unique, unsplit, which, which.max, which.min > > Welcome to Bioconductor > > Vignettes contain introductory material; view with > 'browseVignettes()'. To cite Bioconductor, see > 'citation("Biobase")', and for packages 'citation("pkgname")'. > > Setting options('download.file.method.GEOquery'='auto') > Setting options('GEOquery.inmemory.gpl'=FALSE) > > getGEO('GSM1062236', getGPL = FALSE) > File stored at: > /var/folders/cx/n9s558kx6fb7jf5z_pgszgb8gn/T//RtmpAyQR3U/ > GSM1062236.soft > ## Force terminate after a long running time > ^C > > sessionInfo() > R version 3.4.2 (2017-09-28) > Platform: x86_64-apple-darwin15.6.0 (64-bit) > Running under: macOS Sierra 10.12.6 > > Matrix products: default > BLAS: /Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Versions/3.4/ > Resources/lib/libRblas.0.dylib > LAPACK: /Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Versions/3.4/ > Resources/lib/libRlapack.dylib > > locale: > [1] en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8/C/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8 > > attached base packages: > [1] parallel stats graphics grDevices utils datasets methods > [8] base > > other attached packages: > [1] GEOquery_2.46.10Biobase_2.38.0 BiocGenerics_0.24.0 > [4] colorout_1.1-2 > > loaded via a namespace (and not attached): > [1] Rcpp_0.12.14 tidyr_0.7.2 dplyr_0.7.4 assertthat_0.2.0 > [5] R6_2.2.2 magrittr_1.5 rlang_0.1.4 bindrcpp_0.2 > [9] limma_3.34.2 xml2_1.1.1 readr_1.1.1 glue_1.2.0 > [13] purrr_0.2.4 hms_0.4.0compiler_3.4.2 pkgconfig_2.0.1 > [17] bindr_0.1tibble_1.3.4 > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Leonardo Collado Torres > wrote: > > > > Thanks Sean! I was seeing timeouts also in recount related to GEOquery > which I just recently looked into. > > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Sean Davis wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:05 AM, Mike Smith > wrote: > >> > >> > Thanks for the speedy response Sean. I'll switch back to the version > >> > using a file name shortly. > >> > > >> > >> No problem. Let me know if it does not work as expected. > >> > >> Sean > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > Mike > >> > > >> > On 30 November 2017 at 11:20, Sean Davis wrote: > >> > > >> >> Thanks for the report, Mike. > >> >> > >> >> The problem was (specifically) in parsing a GSEMatrix file using a > >> >> filename. This should be fixed in versions 2.46.10 (release) and > 2.47.12 > >> >> (devel). > >> >> > >> >> Sean > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:09 AM, Mike Smith > wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Hi Mike, > >> >>> > >> >>> I was experiencing similar problems with the BeadArrayUseCases > vignette, > >> >>> where using getGEO() from GEOquery was getting stuck in a > (seemingly) > >> >>> infinite loop processing a GSE series matrix file. It looks like > both of > >> >>> your examples try to do this too, so I suspect it's a similar > issue. I > >> >>> think the format of those files has changed recently and it seems > to be > >> >>> causing a fair few issues with GEOquery. > >> >>> > >> >>> I temporarily settled a solution by getting querying GEO directly > rather > >> >>> than using a local file, but it would be nice to get it back > working as > >> >>> intended. > >> >>> > >> >>> Mike > >> >>> > >> >>> On 29 November 2017 at 18:56,
Re: [Bioc-devel] Data package timeouts
Hi Sean, I'm still seeing some timeouts with GEOquery 2.46.10 on bioc-release. Here's a quick example: library('GEOquery') getGEO('GSM1062236', getGPL = FALSE) I found it from https://github.com/leekgroup/recount/blob/master/tests/testthat/test-misc.R#L19 Best, Leo > library('GEOquery') Loading required package: Biobase Loading required package: BiocGenerics Loading required package: parallel Attaching package: ‘BiocGenerics’ The following objects are masked from ‘package:parallel’: clusterApply, clusterApplyLB, clusterCall, clusterEvalQ, clusterExport, clusterMap, parApply, parCapply, parLapply, parLapplyLB, parRapply, parSapply, parSapplyLB The following objects are masked from ‘package:stats’: IQR, mad, sd, var, xtabs The following objects are masked from ‘package:base’: anyDuplicated, append, as.data.frame, cbind, colMeans, colnames, colSums, do.call, duplicated, eval, evalq, Filter, Find, get, grep, grepl, intersect, is.unsorted, lapply, lengths, Map, mapply, match, mget, order, paste, pmax, pmax.int, pmin, pmin.int, Position, rank, rbind, Reduce, rowMeans, rownames, rowSums, sapply, setdiff, sort, table, tapply, union, unique, unsplit, which, which.max, which.min Welcome to Bioconductor Vignettes contain introductory material; view with 'browseVignettes()'. To cite Bioconductor, see 'citation("Biobase")', and for packages 'citation("pkgname")'. Setting options('download.file.method.GEOquery'='auto') Setting options('GEOquery.inmemory.gpl'=FALSE) > getGEO('GSM1062236', getGPL = FALSE) File stored at: /var/folders/cx/n9s558kx6fb7jf5z_pgszgb8gn/T//RtmpAyQR3U/GSM1062236.soft ## Force terminate after a long running time ^C > sessionInfo() R version 3.4.2 (2017-09-28) Platform: x86_64-apple-darwin15.6.0 (64-bit) Running under: macOS Sierra 10.12.6 Matrix products: default BLAS: /Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Versions/3.4/Resources/lib/libRblas.0.dylib LAPACK: /Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Versions/3.4/Resources/lib/libRlapack.dylib locale: [1] en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8/C/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8 attached base packages: [1] parallel stats graphics grDevices utils datasets methods [8] base other attached packages: [1] GEOquery_2.46.10Biobase_2.38.0 BiocGenerics_0.24.0 [4] colorout_1.1-2 loaded via a namespace (and not attached): [1] Rcpp_0.12.14 tidyr_0.7.2 dplyr_0.7.4 assertthat_0.2.0 [5] R6_2.2.2 magrittr_1.5 rlang_0.1.4 bindrcpp_0.2 [9] limma_3.34.2 xml2_1.1.1 readr_1.1.1 glue_1.2.0 [13] purrr_0.2.4 hms_0.4.0compiler_3.4.2 pkgconfig_2.0.1 [17] bindr_0.1tibble_1.3.4 On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Leonardo Collado Torreswrote: > > Thanks Sean! I was seeing timeouts also in recount related to GEOquery which > I just recently looked into. > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Sean Davis wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:05 AM, Mike Smith wrote: >> >> > Thanks for the speedy response Sean. I'll switch back to the version >> > using a file name shortly. >> > >> >> No problem. Let me know if it does not work as expected. >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Mike >> > >> > On 30 November 2017 at 11:20, Sean Davis wrote: >> > >> >> Thanks for the report, Mike. >> >> >> >> The problem was (specifically) in parsing a GSEMatrix file using a >> >> filename. This should be fixed in versions 2.46.10 (release) and 2.47.12 >> >> (devel). >> >> >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:09 AM, Mike Smith wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi Mike, >> >>> >> >>> I was experiencing similar problems with the BeadArrayUseCases vignette, >> >>> where using getGEO() from GEOquery was getting stuck in a (seemingly) >> >>> infinite loop processing a GSE series matrix file. It looks like both of >> >>> your examples try to do this too, so I suspect it's a similar issue. I >> >>> think the format of those files has changed recently and it seems to be >> >>> causing a fair few issues with GEOquery. >> >>> >> >>> I temporarily settled a solution by getting querying GEO directly rather >> >>> than using a local file, but it would be nice to get it back working as >> >>> intended. >> >>> >> >>> Mike >> >>> >> >>> On 29 November 2017 at 18:56, Michael Love >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > I got simultaneous timeout notices for 'airway' and 'parathyroidSE' on >> >>> > both release and devel machines (release was fine leading up to the >> >>> > Bioc release). >> >>> > >> >>> > Not sure what's the issue, I haven't changed these packages in a >> >>> > while. I checked these out and these both build fine and in ~30s on my >> >>> > machine (devel branch). >> >>> > >> >>> > Here are the reports for release: >> >>> > >> >>> > http://bioconductor.org/checkResults/release/data- >> >>> >
Re: [Bioc-devel] Data package timeouts
Thanks Sean! I was seeing timeouts also in recount related to GEOquery which I just recently looked into. On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Sean Daviswrote: > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:05 AM, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Thanks for the speedy response Sean. I'll switch back to the version > > using a file name shortly. > > > > No problem. Let me know if it does not work as expected. > > Sean > > > > > > > Cheers, > > Mike > > > > On 30 November 2017 at 11:20, Sean Davis wrote: > > > >> Thanks for the report, Mike. > >> > >> The problem was (specifically) in parsing a GSEMatrix file using a > >> filename. This should be fixed in versions 2.46.10 (release) and 2.47.12 > >> (devel). > >> > >> Sean > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:09 AM, Mike Smith > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Mike, > >>> > >>> I was experiencing similar problems with the BeadArrayUseCases > vignette, > >>> where using getGEO() from GEOquery was getting stuck in a (seemingly) > >>> infinite loop processing a GSE series matrix file. It looks like both > of > >>> your examples try to do this too, so I suspect it's a similar issue. I > >>> think the format of those files has changed recently and it seems to be > >>> causing a fair few issues with GEOquery. > >>> > >>> I temporarily settled a solution by getting querying GEO directly > rather > >>> than using a local file, but it would be nice to get it back working as > >>> intended. > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> > >>> On 29 November 2017 at 18:56, Michael Love < > michaelisaiahl...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > I got simultaneous timeout notices for 'airway' and 'parathyroidSE' > on > >>> > both release and devel machines (release was fine leading up to the > >>> > Bioc release). > >>> > > >>> > Not sure what's the issue, I haven't changed these packages in a > >>> > while. I checked these out and these both build fine and in ~30s on > my > >>> > machine (devel branch). > >>> > > >>> > Here are the reports for release: > >>> > > >>> > http://bioconductor.org/checkResults/release/data- > >>> > experiment-LATEST/airway/malbec1-buildsrc.html > >>> > http://bioconductor.org/checkResults/release/data-experiment-LATEST/ > >>> > parathyroidSE/malbec1-buildsrc.html > >>> > > >>> > The vignettes are here: > >>> > > >>> > http://bioconductor.org/packages/3.6/data/experiment/ > >>> > vignettes/airway/inst/doc/airway.html > >>> > http://bioconductor.org/packages/3.6/data/experiment/ > >>> > vignettes/parathyroidSE/inst/doc/parathyroidSE.pdf > >>> > > >>> > best, > >>> > Mike > >>> > > >>> > ___ > >>> > Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list > >>> > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel > >>> > > >>> > >>> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list > >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sean Davis, MD, PhD > >> Center for Cancer Research > >> National Cancer Institute > >> National Institutes of Health > >> Bethesda, MD 20892 > >> https://seandavi.github.io/ > >> https://twitter.com/seandavis12 > >> > > > > > > > -- > Sean Davis, MD, PhD > Center for Cancer Research > National Cancer Institute > National Institutes of Health > Bethesda, MD 20892 > https://seandavi.github.io/ > https://twitter.com/seandavis12 > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ___ > Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ___ Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel
Re: [Bioc-devel] Data package timeouts
On 11/30/2017 06:05 AM, Mike Smith wrote: Thanks for the speedy response Sean. I'll switch back to the version using a file name shortly. Is there a use case for BiocFileCache in here -- check if the file is in the cache bfcquery(), if so, check whether it needs updating bfcneedsupdate() and perhaps bfcupdate() ? this might make the overall download process more robust, and would certainly save on build time. Martin Cheers, Mike On 30 November 2017 at 11:20, Sean Daviswrote: Thanks for the report, Mike. The problem was (specifically) in parsing a GSEMatrix file using a filename. This should be fixed in versions 2.46.10 (release) and 2.47.12 (devel). Sean On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:09 AM, Mike Smith wrote: Hi Mike, I was experiencing similar problems with the BeadArrayUseCases vignette, where using getGEO() from GEOquery was getting stuck in a (seemingly) infinite loop processing a GSE series matrix file. It looks like both of your examples try to do this too, so I suspect it's a similar issue. I think the format of those files has changed recently and it seems to be causing a fair few issues with GEOquery. I temporarily settled a solution by getting querying GEO directly rather than using a local file, but it would be nice to get it back working as intended. Mike On 29 November 2017 at 18:56, Michael Love wrote: I got simultaneous timeout notices for 'airway' and 'parathyroidSE' on both release and devel machines (release was fine leading up to the Bioc release). Not sure what's the issue, I haven't changed these packages in a while. I checked these out and these both build fine and in ~30s on my machine (devel branch). Here are the reports for release: http://bioconductor.org/checkResults/release/data- experiment-LATEST/airway/malbec1-buildsrc.html http://bioconductor.org/checkResults/release/data-experiment-LATEST/ parathyroidSE/malbec1-buildsrc.html The vignettes are here: http://bioconductor.org/packages/3.6/data/experiment/ vignettes/airway/inst/doc/airway.html http://bioconductor.org/packages/3.6/data/experiment/ vignettes/parathyroidSE/inst/doc/parathyroidSE.pdf best, Mike ___ Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ___ Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel -- Sean Davis, MD, PhD Center for Cancer Research National Cancer Institute National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892 https://seandavi.github.io/ https://twitter.com/seandavis12 [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ___ Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel This email message may contain legally privileged and/or...{{dropped:2}} ___ Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel
Re: [Bioc-devel] Data package timeouts
On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:05 AM, Mike Smithwrote: > Thanks for the speedy response Sean. I'll switch back to the version > using a file name shortly. > No problem. Let me know if it does not work as expected. Sean > > Cheers, > Mike > > On 30 November 2017 at 11:20, Sean Davis wrote: > >> Thanks for the report, Mike. >> >> The problem was (specifically) in parsing a GSEMatrix file using a >> filename. This should be fixed in versions 2.46.10 (release) and 2.47.12 >> (devel). >> >> Sean >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:09 AM, Mike Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi Mike, >>> >>> I was experiencing similar problems with the BeadArrayUseCases vignette, >>> where using getGEO() from GEOquery was getting stuck in a (seemingly) >>> infinite loop processing a GSE series matrix file. It looks like both of >>> your examples try to do this too, so I suspect it's a similar issue. I >>> think the format of those files has changed recently and it seems to be >>> causing a fair few issues with GEOquery. >>> >>> I temporarily settled a solution by getting querying GEO directly rather >>> than using a local file, but it would be nice to get it back working as >>> intended. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> On 29 November 2017 at 18:56, Michael Love >>> wrote: >>> >>> > I got simultaneous timeout notices for 'airway' and 'parathyroidSE' on >>> > both release and devel machines (release was fine leading up to the >>> > Bioc release). >>> > >>> > Not sure what's the issue, I haven't changed these packages in a >>> > while. I checked these out and these both build fine and in ~30s on my >>> > machine (devel branch). >>> > >>> > Here are the reports for release: >>> > >>> > http://bioconductor.org/checkResults/release/data- >>> > experiment-LATEST/airway/malbec1-buildsrc.html >>> > http://bioconductor.org/checkResults/release/data-experiment-LATEST/ >>> > parathyroidSE/malbec1-buildsrc.html >>> > >>> > The vignettes are here: >>> > >>> > http://bioconductor.org/packages/3.6/data/experiment/ >>> > vignettes/airway/inst/doc/airway.html >>> > http://bioconductor.org/packages/3.6/data/experiment/ >>> > vignettes/parathyroidSE/inst/doc/parathyroidSE.pdf >>> > >>> > best, >>> > Mike >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list >>> > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel >>> > >>> >>> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] >>> >>> ___ >>> Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sean Davis, MD, PhD >> Center for Cancer Research >> National Cancer Institute >> National Institutes of Health >> Bethesda, MD 20892 >> https://seandavi.github.io/ >> https://twitter.com/seandavis12 >> > > -- Sean Davis, MD, PhD Center for Cancer Research National Cancer Institute National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892 https://seandavi.github.io/ https://twitter.com/seandavis12 [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ___ Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel
Re: [Bioc-devel] Data package timeouts
Thanks for the report, Mike. The problem was (specifically) in parsing a GSEMatrix file using a filename. This should be fixed in versions 2.46.10 (release) and 2.47.12 (devel). Sean On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:09 AM, Mike Smithwrote: > Hi Mike, > > I was experiencing similar problems with the BeadArrayUseCases vignette, > where using getGEO() from GEOquery was getting stuck in a (seemingly) > infinite loop processing a GSE series matrix file. It looks like both of > your examples try to do this too, so I suspect it's a similar issue. I > think the format of those files has changed recently and it seems to be > causing a fair few issues with GEOquery. > > I temporarily settled a solution by getting querying GEO directly rather > than using a local file, but it would be nice to get it back working as > intended. > > Mike > > On 29 November 2017 at 18:56, Michael Love > wrote: > > > I got simultaneous timeout notices for 'airway' and 'parathyroidSE' on > > both release and devel machines (release was fine leading up to the > > Bioc release). > > > > Not sure what's the issue, I haven't changed these packages in a > > while. I checked these out and these both build fine and in ~30s on my > > machine (devel branch). > > > > Here are the reports for release: > > > > http://bioconductor.org/checkResults/release/data- > > experiment-LATEST/airway/malbec1-buildsrc.html > > http://bioconductor.org/checkResults/release/data-experiment-LATEST/ > > parathyroidSE/malbec1-buildsrc.html > > > > The vignettes are here: > > > > http://bioconductor.org/packages/3.6/data/experiment/ > > vignettes/airway/inst/doc/airway.html > > http://bioconductor.org/packages/3.6/data/experiment/ > > vignettes/parathyroidSE/inst/doc/parathyroidSE.pdf > > > > best, > > Mike > > > > ___ > > Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel > > > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ___ > Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel > -- Sean Davis, MD, PhD Center for Cancer Research National Cancer Institute National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892 https://seandavi.github.io/ https://twitter.com/seandavis12 [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ___ Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel
Re: [Bioc-devel] Data package timeouts
Hi Mike, I was experiencing similar problems with the BeadArrayUseCases vignette, where using getGEO() from GEOquery was getting stuck in a (seemingly) infinite loop processing a GSE series matrix file. It looks like both of your examples try to do this too, so I suspect it's a similar issue. I think the format of those files has changed recently and it seems to be causing a fair few issues with GEOquery. I temporarily settled a solution by getting querying GEO directly rather than using a local file, but it would be nice to get it back working as intended. Mike On 29 November 2017 at 18:56, Michael Lovewrote: > I got simultaneous timeout notices for 'airway' and 'parathyroidSE' on > both release and devel machines (release was fine leading up to the > Bioc release). > > Not sure what's the issue, I haven't changed these packages in a > while. I checked these out and these both build fine and in ~30s on my > machine (devel branch). > > Here are the reports for release: > > http://bioconductor.org/checkResults/release/data- > experiment-LATEST/airway/malbec1-buildsrc.html > http://bioconductor.org/checkResults/release/data-experiment-LATEST/ > parathyroidSE/malbec1-buildsrc.html > > The vignettes are here: > > http://bioconductor.org/packages/3.6/data/experiment/ > vignettes/airway/inst/doc/airway.html > http://bioconductor.org/packages/3.6/data/experiment/ > vignettes/parathyroidSE/inst/doc/parathyroidSE.pdf > > best, > Mike > > ___ > Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ___ Bioc-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioc-devel