[Blackbelly] Parasite deaths
Fellow Blackbelliers, I have lost 3 ram lambs (all born in January) in the past 6 weeks, all from anemia due to parasites. I have had ABBs for 6 years now and lost a few others along the way but nothing like this year. I have been operating on the theory of letting those least resistant ones die out rather than pass on their genes. But three out of about 40 is too many and I took another one, clearly with anemia, and acting lethargic, to the vet today. These were all destined for the November market. The vet recommended Panacur at 10 ml per animal for the entire flock today and again in two weeks . Our farm is in hot, humid South Mississippi with lots of rain and grass. Our flock is divided into three sub-flocks. Two of these smaller groups are rotated onto various paddocks of pasture when the grass gets higher in another paddock. The biggest group is on more pasture than they can eat down (in the spring and summer anyway). All of the deaths have occurred in the smaller two flocks. My questions are these: Those of you who do not deworm, what is your average loss rate? I suppose it would be different in arid climates than in humid ones. Has anyone in a similar environment to mine found that you have to deworm regularly to keep the flocks healthy? And if so, how often? And with which pharmaceuticals? Thanks for your help and for any advice you may have, Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Parasite deaths
Jerry, Did you have a fecal done by the vet to ID the parasite in question? If it is barberpole worm(Haemonchus contortus), which is quite resistant down south to a lot of dewormers on the market. I do believe that panacur is not effective. I know that valbazen(Albendazole) is effective for this worm,at least it says so on the label. but can't be given to pregnant ewes or goats the first 30 days of pregnancy as birth defects can occur. On pasture, can you keep the sheep off the grass when it is wet, with morning dew? I think the parasite travels up the wet grass and is more often ingested. Also if the pasture is eaten down, it would more likely be ingested. I am just starting off with sheep, so can't comment with my experience. I do recall reading somewhere that the lambs immature immune system is not parasite efficient (my words) until after 9 months or so. Don't quote me on this age, I may be wrong. Also, I have heard that when using an anthelmic with Barberpole, you can't kill off all the worms at once, as they can GI bleed. Good luck. I have read that parasites are quite a problem in the deep south. Somewhat due to the producers who don't ID the parasite, and who under treat, or use the wrong anthelmic, there by building resistant worms. Also, look up refugia on the internet regarding parasite. Liz Radi Idar Alpacas, Nubian goats and Katahdin Hair Sheep Nunn, Colorado 970-716-7218 idaralpaca.blogspot.com --- blueberryf...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: Jerry blueberryf...@bellsouth.net To: Sheep Group blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Parasite deaths Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:34:00 -0500 Fellow Blackbelliers, I have lost 3 ram lambs (all born in January) in the past 6 weeks, all from anemia due to parasites. I have had ABBs for 6 years now and lost a few others along the way but nothing like this year. I have been operating on the theory of letting those least resistant ones die out rather than pass on their genes. But three out of about 40 is too many and I took another one, clearly with anemia, and acting lethargic, to the vet today. These were all destined for the November market. The vet recommended Panacur at 10 ml per animal for the entire flock today and again in two weeks . Our farm is in hot, humid South Mississippi with lots of rain and grass. Our flock is divided into three sub-flocks. Two of these smaller groups are rotated onto various paddocks of pasture when the grass gets higher in another paddock. The biggest group is on more pasture than they can eat down (in the spring and summer anyway). All of the deaths have occurred in the smaller two flocks. My questions are these: Those of you who do not deworm, what is your average loss rate? I suppose it would be different in arid climates than in humid ones. Has anyone in a similar environment to mine found that you have to deworm regularly to keep the flocks healthy? And if so, how often? And with which pharmaceuticals? Thanks for your help and for any advice you may have, Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53
John, Thanks for the reply. You have not had a problem with the high copper? And what is DE? I got a Wiltshire ram last year to cross with my ABBs, trying to produce a larger lamb for the market. So nearly half of my ewes are crosses and the ABB ewes are 2 to 5 years old. But, thanks for thinking of me for a ewe sale. Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi -Original Message- From: Double J Farms Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:11 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53 Jerry: I try to check my ABB every couple of weeks or at least monthly for anemia (FAMACHA) and drench only those that are in need. I'm doing two things to try and reduce parasite burden (in addition to rotational grazing). I give all of the animals a small ration of feed each day and add DE to it and I started giving high copper cattle minerals free choice - not sure how much it helps but since I started (about a year ago) I have had to worm fewer sheep and less often. I too rotate 2 or 3 flocks among 6 paddocks - graze 2-3 weeks, move the sheep, mow the paddock, let the grass grow back, repeat. We have been s dry that parasites probably were depressed, but now that the rains have started I'll have to be more diligent in checking the eyes. I rotate wormers annually (or thereabouts) - I have used Panacur with good results, Ivermectin is what I'm using this year and in dire emergencies (near death) I have used cydectin for cattle. Sometimes it seems to get them overnight. I have lost very few sheep in recent years (maybe 3 or 4 in 5 years) due to parasites/anemia. By the way, I have a buyer from Tuscaloosa, AL that is wanting more ewes that I have to offer right now. If you have some for sale let me know and I'll send him your way. John Carlton Double J Farms Spanish Fort, AL -Original Message- From: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info] On Behalf Of blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:01 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.in fo or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Parasite deaths (Jerry) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:34:00 -0500 From: Jerry blueberryf...@bellsouth.net To: Sheep Group blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Parasite deaths Message-ID: 506BE7EFED3A42EAB8A1CBDD7D3FD8F5@JerryPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Fellow Blackbelliers, I have lost 3 ram lambs (all born in January) in the past 6 weeks, all from anemia due to parasites. I have had ABBs for 6 years now and lost a few others along the way but nothing like this year. I have been operating on the theory of letting those least resistant ones die out rather than pass on their genes. But three out of about 40 is too many and I took another one, clearly with anemia, and acting lethargic, to the vet today. These were all destined for the November market. The vet recommended Panacur at 10 ml per animal for the entire flock today and again in two weeks . Our farm is in hot, humid South Mississippi with lots of rain and grass. Our flock is divided into three sub-flocks. Two of these smaller groups are rotated onto various paddocks of pasture when the grass gets higher in another paddock. The biggest group is on more pasture than they can eat down (in the spring and summer anyway). All of the deaths have occurred in the smaller two flocks. My questions are these: Those of you who do not deworm, what is your average loss rate? I suppose it would be different in arid climates than in humid ones. Has anyone in a similar environment to mine found that you have to deworm regularly to keep the flocks healthy? And if so, how often? And with which pharmaceuticals? Thanks for your help and for any advice you may have, Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53 *
Re: [Blackbelly] Parasite deaths in Picayune
Jerry, i have 22 Blackbelly sheep and have not lost any to parasites that i am aware of. i have 9 newborn since Jan.-Feb. this year. i live in the Henleyfield area with a Carriere address. stewart Today's Topics: 1. Parasite deaths (Jerry) -- Fellow Blackbelliers, I have lost 3 ram lambs (all born in January) in the past 6 weeks, all from anemia due to parasites. I have had ABBs for 6 years now and lost a few others along the way but nothing like this year. I have been operating on the theory of letting those least resistant ones die out rather than pass on their genes. But three out of about 40 is too many and I took another one, clearly with anemia, and acting lethargic, to the vet today. These were all destined for the November market. The vet recommended Panacur at 10 ml per animal for the entire flock today and again in two weeks . Our farm is in hot, humid South Mississippi with lots of rain and grass. Our flock is divided into three sub-flocks. Two of these smaller groups are rotated onto various paddocks of pasture when the grass gets higher in another paddock. The biggest group is on more pasture than they can eat down (in the spring and summer anyway). All of the deaths have occurred in the smaller two flocks. My questions are these: Those of you who do not deworm, what is your average loss rate? I suppose it would be different in arid climates than in humid ones. Has anyone in a similar environment to mine found that you have to deworm regularly to keep the flocks healthy? And if so, how often? And with which pharmaceuticals? Thanks for your help and for any advice you may have, Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53
Jerry, I am in Central Florida. A few years back I was losing my lambs to worms. My vet recommended Safe-guard (fenbendazole) dewormer for goats. 2 cc once a week for three weeks for those showing signs of worms (bottle jaw). On the fourth week I had them tested and all was find. I give my lambs up to one year old 2 cc every other month. I have not lost any since. I questioned my vet about the fact this was labeled for goats? He said if we only gave sheep medicine that was labeled sheep we would not have any sheep left in the world. But I think Stephanie Parrish's worming method is better, expensive but better. I believe she uses Shaklee Basic-H. Joan Eubank ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53
Jerry: I have nearly lost 2 over 12 years due to worms causing other disesase. I have found that worming 3 times one week apart every 6 months or so works for me. Right now we are in a drought and anything that is creating a demand on their system is just too much... I alternate with safeguard (panacur) and ivermectin in the feed. I put out just enough feed mixed with the wormer that I know that they will get it eaten within a few minutes. If there appears to be anyone that still has worms, I use oral ivomec. If you look at livestock concept's site, you will find hog wormer for mising in the feed. I use this. I use the recommended rate per animal, but once a week for 3 weeks. It has worked great, and I do not have to catch each one and drench it... Cecil in OKla - Original Message - From: eubankac...@aol.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53 Jerry, I am in Central Florida. A few years back I was losing my lambs to worms. My vet recommended Safe-guard (fenbendazole) dewormer for goats. 2 cc once a week for three weeks for those showing signs of worms (bottle jaw). On the fourth week I had them tested and all was find. I give my lambs up to one year old 2 cc every other month. I have not lost any since. I questioned my vet about the fact this was labeled for goats? He said if we only gave sheep medicine that was labeled sheep we would not have any sheep left in the world. But I think Stephanie Parrish's worming method is better, expensive but better. I believe she uses Shaklee Basic-H. Joan Eubank ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
