Re: [Blackbelly] IVY- UPDATE
Have you tried the paste that has the probiotics in it for her rumen? That also helps alot. Nancy - Original Message - From: ljacob4...@aol.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 23:50 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] IVY- UPDATE Thank you, I will try the baking soda as well as drizzling some molasses on the hay. Something has to get that rumen going. Ivy continues to feel crummy. This morning, she was constipated. I called the vet who in turn told me to give her some mineral oil. I haven't force-fed her since last Thurs. but have decided to start again with the grain/probiotics/electrolytes and now mineral oil all mixed together. I saw her drink quite a bit of water today on her own so I don't know that I will continue with the electrolytes tomorrow. I see her shivering at night. Our temps are now down in the 40's @ night so I put a jacket (formerly used by our St. Bernard) on her. I'm sure she's cold because of the weight loss. She is dreadfully thin. Sometimes I feel she is just starving to death. Thanks for the suggestions. Lin-Madison, WI ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Ewe with running nose You ain't gonna believethis!!!
wow! what a find! I would have never of thought it. It seems like they are always snorting some grain when feed ground corn to worm with pellets etc but wouldn't have thought of grass seed! Nancy - Original Message - From: Cecil Bearden crbear...@copper.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 22:11 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Ewe with running nose You ain't gonna believethis!!! Last night my vet friend I knocked out my ewe with the coated face and found the problem. We suspected anything from a tumor to nasal bots. What we found was bermuda grass seeds that had started to sprout. We bale a lot of Bermuda Grass hay for horse owners. Bermuda has to be baled dry or it will mildew. This causes a lot of fines accumulating in the baler and this causes problems with sensors, net wrap, etc etc. I blow out the accumulation of fines with a large (150 cfm) air compressor every day . These fines have a lot of seeds or grain, depending on what I am baling, in them and the sheep just love to eat the fines. She must have snorted some of the seeds into her nose and didn't get them blown out. There were many that had taken root in that warm moist environment. Needless to say it was an irritation. She came to before we could give her a shot of Ivomec to take care of possible nasal bots that may have been started due to the immense amount of drainage from her nose. This morning she appeared to have dried up at her nose. I just need to catch her again and wash her face. This is another new one!! Cecil in OKla On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Cecil Bearden crbear...@copper.net wrote: I have a ewe that has had a dirty face for several weeks. Did not think a lot of it intil a few days ago when I caught her and discovered that it is from her nose running. I gave her a shot of Baytril, and I thought it cleared up, but now it is worse than ever. We are going to try to look up there with a speculum. I think it may be a thistle seed, but I have no real good idea. She seems to be OK just in misery with a runny nose. She is nursing/weaning 2 lambs also. Anyone with any similar experience? Her eyes seem fine. Cecil in OKla ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Ewe with running nose
Cecil never had anything so bad . We have thistle and sometime we see one shaking her head but nothing like this! Sounds agrivating and painful for the poor girl. Nancy - Original Message - From: Cecil Bearden crbear...@copper.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 07:04 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Ewe with running nose I have a ewe that has had a dirty face for several weeks. Did not think a lot of it intil a few days ago when I caught her and discovered that it is from her nose running. I gave her a shot of Baytril, and I thought it cleared up, but now it is worse than ever. We are going to try to look up there with a speculum. I think it may be a thistle seed, but I have no real good idea. She seems to be OK just in misery with a runny nose. She is nursing/weaning 2 lambs also. Anyone with any similar experience? Her eyes seem fine. Cecil in OKla ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] California breeders: more ram lambs than ewe
We are in missouri and raise several kinds of horned sheep. We had about 2 to 1 ewes verses rams this year. But we have had tons of rain and mud. Now its hot and humid! almost all the mud is gone. Nancy - Original Message - From: Sunny wspri...@goldstate.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 18:03 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] California breeders: more ram lambs than ewe Another Northern California breeder here. I had 9 ewe and 4 ram lambs born this year. Have to wait and see about the droughtGsure hope not! Sunny Message: 5 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:42:32 -0700 From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] California breeders: more ram lambs than ewe lambs this year? Message-ID: aanlktinpvc1vx4om1dzameaovpw77qeuwbbvcxrrd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This year we bred three ewes and had 5 ram lambs and no ewe lambs. Our old salt neighbor lady, who used to raise sheep, commented that maybe a drought is coming and the animals can sense it, so they had boys (not planning on a lot of reproduction, is the reason) I know certain species can adjust their populations as needed, not sure about sheep, though. Just curious to see if any other California breeders had a similar experience. _MWS -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 6, Issue 107 ** ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding
I agree with Cecil. I normally sleep with my new babies for the first night or 2. I didn't realize they were so small when I told you about the feeding amounts. On ones this small I feel lucky when I get a half ounce down them every 2 hours at first. I use a pet nurser bottle and the longest nipple but cut it back to about an inch long maybe shorter. It just depends on the baby. Please let us know how they are dong. Nancy - Original Message - From: Cecil Bearden crbear...@copper.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 06:12 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding Tom Quinn wrote: I worked on the ewe for a couple of hours, and got nothing. She has no bag at all. It sounded like she was letting down milk, but nothing. That and the fact that she was butting the lambs away, led us to decide to get them warm and try to bottle feed tonight. These little guys dont weigh much more than one pound each. I will just have to see if we get them through the night, then brew up some colostrum replacer, and see if we can get anything from the ewe. - Original Message From: Carol Elkins celk...@critterhaven.biz To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 10:10:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Help: Need info on bottle feeding Tom, do everything you possibly can to milk colostrum from the ewe. Put her in a stanchion to hold her still. You may not get a lot, but every bit is important. Measure what you do get and divide it into two parts, one for each lamb. Do this as often as you can to get as much colostrum as you can from her. If she has any milk in her bag, you might try letting the lambs nurse. I stanchioned a ewe three times a day for 3 weeks and she finally accepted the lamb. (I bottle fed him to supplement what he was getting from the ewe.) Read the article I wrote about Raising Bummer Lambs on a Bottle at http://critterhaven.biz/info/articles/bummer_lamb.htm It contains a recipe for a newborn milk formula to use if you have no colostrum. It also provides a schedule and a formula for feeding amounts. Cecil will caution you to not feed as much as the article recommends per feeding and I agree; but it is a place to start. Carol At 09:58 PM 8/2/2010, you wrote: I dont have any colostrum. All of this happened after the feed stores were closed. I can probably find some tomowrrow-- or is that too late? Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Sounds like they were premature. You can wrap them in a towel, get a baby diaper and cut a hole for the tail. Keep them next to you when you go to bed. They need to hear a heartbeat nearby, they have been next to one for 5 months... Find some colostrum replacer asap. Be sparing on the feeding, they will tell you when they are hungry. If they are peeing about every 1-2 hours they are getting enough. The first 24 ours is when they hydrate and expand. Remember they can aspirate easily so keep their heads up. and do not let them lay on their side. Cecil in OKla ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Also new here:)
Sorry about that ! I left out a letter! www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch I left out the s in springs. Nancy - Original Message - From: Liz Radi lizr...@skybeam.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 07:50 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Also new here:) Nancy, I checked on your web site and it came up site not found. Is this the correct link? Liz Radi idar alpacas and nubians 100% ARI and homegrown Nunn Colorado 970-897-2580 http://idaralpaca.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Nancy Tom Richardson cjarr...@centurytel.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Also new here:) Welcome to the list. You will love having BB sheep! We are in North Central MO if that helps. We sometimes meet people part way to help on there time etc. www.freewebs.com/mossyspringranch.com Nancy - Original Message - From: Tashia Lund tl...@eclipsebordercollies.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 08:08 Subject: [Blackbelly] Also new here:) Hi everyone, I am also new here. I have been working towards my dream of a small farm it seems like forever. We started on 1/2 acre with our stockdogs and for training them we used Indian Runners. But I really wanted the sheep and land:) So last Dec. 31 we bought our 10 acre farmstead. I saw ABBs a couple of years ago and did a lot of research and they have always been up my ally. We are in the process of putting up 5 strand electric for our outer fence line. Plus field fencing on the training fields. We will have 150 x 150 training pasture, 150 x 300 training pasture, a round pen, and 350 pasture where we can practice blind outruns. We plan on improving the pasture and using rotational grazing. We are adding pygmy goats this year and will be having welsh harlequin ducking next year, plust hopfully I will be able to add the ABBs next year. Boy did one demo I saw when I was 13 years old really started a whole new life:) Border Collies, ABBs, Pygmy goats, and welsh harlequins. Have a great day everyone and thank you for the wonderful information you post. Are there any ABB breeders in MN, SD, WI, or IA? Tashia Lund Eclipse Border Collies 955 Highway 81 NE Cummings ND 58223-9552 www.eclipsebordercollies.com ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Also new here:)
Welcome to the list. You will love having BB sheep! We are in North Central MO if that helps. We sometimes meet people part way to help on there time etc. www.freewebs.com/mossyspringranch.com Nancy - Original Message - From: Tashia Lund tl...@eclipsebordercollies.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 08:08 Subject: [Blackbelly] Also new here:) Hi everyone, I am also new here. I have been working towards my dream of a small farm it seems like forever. We started on 1/2 acre with our stockdogs and for training them we used Indian Runners. But I really wanted the sheep and land:) So last Dec. 31 we bought our 10 acre farmstead. I saw ABBs a couple of years ago and did a lot of research and they have always been up my ally. We are in the process of putting up 5 strand electric for our outer fence line. Plus field fencing on the training fields. We will have 150 x 150 training pasture, 150 x 300 training pasture, a round pen, and 350 pasture where we can practice blind outruns. We plan on improving the pasture and using rotational grazing. We are adding pygmy goats this year and will be having welsh harlequin ducking next year, plust hopfully I will be able to add the ABBs next year. Boy did one demo I saw when I was 13 years old really started a whole new life:) Border Collies, ABBs, Pygmy goats, and welsh harlequins. Have a great day everyone and thank you for the wonderful information you post. Are there any ABB breeders in MN, SD, WI, or IA? Tashia Lund Eclipse Border Collies 955 Highway 81 NE Cummings ND 58223-9552 www.eclipsebordercollies.com ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] New Here!
Welcom to the list! I would suggest getting bottle babies that are weaned . They will cost a little more but they are sure easy handlers normally. If you don't mind feeding bottles that makes them bond even better to you. The ram being bottled bothers alot of folks but I have never personally had this problem but if you get a young one that will adapt to you and if you have bottle girls will be not as flighty etc. Good luck! Nancy www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch - Original Message - From: Tom and Krystal Beers twohun...@hotmail.com To: Blackbelly List blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 12:59 Subject: [Blackbelly] New Here! Hello Everyone, I thought it high time I introduce myself! I've been reading and learning from your posts a while now. My husband and I live in Washington, hoping to move to our 40 acre diversified off-grid ranch in the NE part of the state soon. We've chosen all the other breeds we wish to raise on a grass-fed rotational system, mostly for our own meat needs, except for the sheep. The only things we're certain of are- we want hair sheep, we love color and horns! We are complete newbies to the sheep species! We have heard, and feel somewhat concerned, about the flightiness/difficulty of handling certain hair breeds. Although, this thread about the treats sounds promising! LOL We're also hoping to locate foundation stock that isn't too far away, but knowing what it's like when looking at rare and/or heritage breeds, we are willing to go where needed. ;) Any suggestions you have would be most welcome! I am happy to answer questions in order to help us determine what would be a good, sensible sheep choice. Thank you for having me here! Krystal Beers WA _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] bottle lamb stopped taking her bottle this morning
Could she be constipated? Have you changed the temperature of her milk? Nancy - Original Message - From: ssja...@windstream.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 21:15 Subject: [Blackbelly] bottle lamb stopped taking her bottle this morning I have a 6 week old bottle lamb that has suddenly stopped taking her bottle. She has dropped her feedings by 2 oz. each time for the previous three days, now this morning and this evening she refused completely. She has been nibbeling bark, moss, grass etc. and drank water this evening. Anyone have information? She is a bit depressed but still up and pretty normal. No sign of bottle neck. My husband and I are worried. Thanks, Shwna Gulick ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Alfalfa for sheep?
alfalafa / orchard is what we always feed. No problems. Just stinks if it gets wet and gets flies really going! Nancy - Original Message - From: Tom Quinn cars1...@yahoo.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 20:11 Subject: [Blackbelly] Alfalfa for sheep? I am concerned that i am going to run out of hay this year, and will have to buy some. Any problems feeding alfalfa to bb's? Normally I feed hay, salt and water Tom Quinn ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Help broken leg
The vet is closed naturally. We found a 3 day old lamb with a broken leg in the flat part of the back hip. We have splinted to the best of our ability . We have given some penn but I think he should have some kind of pain killer to help reduce any inflamation and keep him a little quite for the night. I will be trying to get him to bottle feed during the night. He is in a dog crate. We did this for a 3 month old angora goat who caught his foot between the bumper bed a couple of years ago. It was warm then to and the vet wouldn't cast it or splint for fear of infection and magots from swet. We just let him lay around in a small pen and it healed just fine but this guy is so tiny. Any thoughts or home remedies would be appreaciated. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Bent legged lamb update~
I once had a lamb that way about a week or so old that go hit orsomething . It couldn't walk but if i put him up he could stand.. I bottle fed him for several weeks finally he got where he could get himself up and then stand. Finally to walk a step. He is now a year old. We call him cinnamon. He is a 4 horn blackbelly. But on the other hand a couple years ago I had a lamb that was small and never could walk even after about 2 weeks so my husband put him down. Good luck with your lalmb. Nancy - Original Message - ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lambafter 10hours
My thoughts exactly she could just be in pain when he does grab on! Nancy - Original Message - From: Onalee Israel ona...@aol.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:02 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lambafter 10hours Hi, I didn't read all the posts, so sorry if this is a repeat, but her bag may be very sore - you might want to milk out some of the milk and ease the pressure on her bag and then she may let the baby suck. Onalee ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lambafter10hours
Hey its good to sound the alarm to early than to wait until its to late and it causes you to loose such a pretty little lamb. Everyone here loves to help its actually a learning experience for everyone when something new happens. Nancy - Original Message - From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 15:14 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lambafter10hours Thanks everyone, all appears to be well now. This is my first time being able to witness the entire birthing process so I was a bit of a nervous wreck this morning. Sorry for the alarm. here's the nice pictures from this morning: http://web.me.com/mwsmith100/spring_2010/Ruby.html here's the medically graphic pictures of the labor process from last night, in case anyone is interested: http://web.me.com/mwsmith100/spring_2010/Ruby_labor.html -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Nancy Tom Richardson cjarr...@centurytel.net wrote: My thoughts exactly she could just be in pain when he does grab on! Nancy - Original Message - From: Onalee Israel ona...@aol.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:02 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] New momma will not hold still to feed lambafter 10hours Hi, I didn't read all the posts, so sorry if this is a repeat, but her bag may be very sore - you might want to milk out some of the milk and ease the pressure on her bag and then she may let the baby suck. Onalee ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] First lambs from my first bottle-ewes
Congratulations! Nancy - Original Message - From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 22:37 Subject: [Blackbelly] First lambs from my first bottle-ewes The first of three yearling bottle-ewes who had lambs just this morning. http://web.me.com/mwsmith100/spring_2010/Pebbles.html I was lucky enough to stick my head in before work, and see them, so I took a bit of extra time and clipped their cords, disinfected the cords and basically checked them out. Since I always call those three ewes in at night and lock them up, they were already locked up when I came out this morning, safe with the lambs and all. The other two are now in the paddock next door, to give this momma some time to bond, and for them to lamb in a safe place, if they do so in the next week or so. They were all bred at the same time by Verne, my second in command, but with the most striking markings of my three breeder rams. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Shepherds tactics
I wouldn't think anyqne with a heart could break the leg of a lamb! You could just catch it and carry it around with you all the time. It will either take to you or not. I had a lamb break a leg and it didn't make him any tamer. I kept him in a horse trailor front and fed him everyday for 6 weeks along with another who had been beaten at a livestock sale and I believe broke a rib or two. Neither one ever became tame. The one with the bad leg was only about 4 months old and the other about a year both rams. Just my 2 cents though. Nancy - Original Message - From: Dave Andrus andruscompan...@netecin.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 22:10 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Shepherds tactics In a discussion this morning some one told me they had heard that a tactic used by shepherds with lambs that continuously ran off was to break a leg and carry the lamb so the lamb could not/would not run away for the period of time the leg was healing. During the healing time the shepherd would carry the lamb on his shoulders thus creating in the lamb a dependence/fondness on the shepherd. Let me be clear, I am not condoning this in the least simply interested to know if any one has ever heard of this tactic being used by any one tending sheep. TIA, Dave ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Rams For Sale
I have a couple of trophy type rams that I will sell this year if there is anyone out there interested in some new blood. www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch for info on bloodline and off line contact info. Thanks For looking Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] (no subject)
We try and save anything that is small. The weather played a large roll in it this year. We don't have large barns for things to lamb in so if a mom lambs in a bplace where it was very windy in a hut and the lamb is freezing faster than she can clean it we bring it in. Also I sell alot of bottle babies normally so I pull special ones for that. Nancy - Original Message - From: Dave Andrus andruscompan...@netecin.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 03:24 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] (no subject) Hi Kathy, What led to the bottle babies? Dave - Original Message - From: Kathy Shannon theprinc...@4fast.net To: blackbe...@lists. Blackbellysheep. Info blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:08 PM Subject: [Blackbelly] (no subject) Hi, We are in Montague, CA (extreme northern CA) and have 23 lambs born since Feb 1st, most born 2 wks ago. We lost 3 and have 3 bottle babies. On little guy will already follow me to the house for the night; the others have to be brought in. Watching all the lambs get together in the evening when the adults are eating is an absolute riot. Too cute for words!! Kathy Jack ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 6, Issue 39
We were lucky enough to get a 50% racka ram that was from artificial insemination. We plan to AI some of our girls once they have turned at least 2 and have had a baby. Which makes them more exceptable to AI. It is expensive to do so am not sure how many we will do. Also a very limited amount of semen available. Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 17:01 Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 6, Issue 39 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. lambing season (Nancy Tom Richardson) 2. Re: lambing season (Peter C. Wallace) 3. Lambing this year (Michael Smith) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:09:01 -0600 From: Nancy Tom Richardson cjarr...@centurytel.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] lambing season Message-ID: 009f01cabe4b$2f0371e0$08175...@cjarrich Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original We had over 100 babies born. But We used a Racka Ram which through mostly black sheep. Although I did get some great looking black bellies. My 35 jacobs are in the swing of lambing. about 10 have popped just waiting for the rest over the next month. The Racka crosses really grow fast. They are still hair some have a little longer with a wave to it but I believe they will shed just the same. Nancy -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:21:22 -0800 (PST) From: Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] lambing season Message-ID: pine.neb.4.64.1003071719420.22...@freeby.mesanet.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Nancy Tom Richardson wrote: Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:09:01 -0600 From: Nancy Tom Richardson cjarr...@centurytel.net Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] lambing season We had over 100 babies born. But We used a Racka Ram which through mostly black sheep. Although I did get some great looking black bellies. My 35 jacobs are in the swing of lambing. about 10 have popped just waiting for the rest over the next month. The Racka crosses really grow fast. They are still hair some have a little longer with a wave to it but I believe they will shed just the same. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info I thought Racka sheep (with the wild spiral horns) we non-existent in the US... Peter Wallace -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 20:29:29 -0800 From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Lambing this year Message-ID: 3eabf8bc1003072029y4a504dc4vf624b4d7dc925...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dave Andrus said: I only have four ewes, three have had twins and the last should Lamb. today or tomorrow. This is my rookie year lambing and I attribute most of the success to folks on the forum and a very helpful local neighbor. Thanks Carolina for your diligence and all on-the-job forum for your caring advise. Dave Dave, I can relate. Last Spring was my rookie year and this mailing list was my lifeline. The three ewes I picked to breed this year, I bred purposely to try to get them to lamb in March or April, to get less of the freezing mornings, here in Northern California. They have not bagged yet, but are getting pretty wide. Considering some of the ewes I had last year, did not even look pregnant, and had singles, I am thinking these three girls are all twinning, as well. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 6, Issue 39 * ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] lambing season
We had over 100 babies born. But We used a Racka Ram which through mostly black sheep. Although I did get some great looking black bellies. My 35 jacobs are in the swing of lambing. about 10 have popped just waiting for the rest over the next month. The Racka crosses really grow fast. They are still hair some have a little longer with a wave to it but I believe they will shed just the same. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Black lamb
I haven't had this but he sound beautiful! Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Fw: placenta Bag
- Original Message - From: Nancy Tom Richardson cjarr...@centurytel.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:35 AM Subject: placenta Bag Good morning everyone I have a problem this morning I found where a second ewe couldn't clean the bag off a baby. It was really thick and tough. The first time it happen the ewe had had twins and I thought possibly it could have been still born or she was just to busy with the first since she was a first time mom. But this morning I found a second. This was a girl who only had one and she was a 2 year old having her second lamb. Any Ideas what the problem could be? If possible I want to stop it before the other 75 ewes lamb. Thanks Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Agressive RAms
I bottle raise quite a few rams. I haven't had one get agressive yet. I put them in with other rams at about 3 -4 months of age. Or group them all together. When this happens they tend to go back to their wild state for the most part. Some remain easy to catch while others wouldn't come near. I keep a ram in with my ewes year round. I never have one beat on a ewe or harm a baby. I have had some that will kick at a ewe or but her loveingly if you want to call it that to cause her to go into heat. Never hard enough to hurt her though. Good luck with your ram. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 170
As some of you know we also have a 1/2 racka ram that we just started using and have about a dozen babies on the ground now . If you look at our website you will see him and a few of the recent babies. www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch We started breeding for the open horns before knowing that we could get racka here in this country via the AI program. But it does take several years to do any breeding. But with our open horns we are hoping to get the upright horns at some point. Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 170 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: line breeding (Michael Smith) 2. Re: pictures (Rick Krach) 3. Growth Rate for American Blackbelly Sheep (blueberryfarm) 4. Re: Growth Rate for American Blackbelly Sheep (Julian Hale) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:18:34 -0800 From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] line breeding Message-ID: 3eabf8bc0912091518t736968f8r913bfa9c06d5c...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:20:26 -0600 From: Nancy Tom Richardson cjarr...@centurytel.net We have line bred for about 5 years to get the horn traits that we want. We started with Wingnut bred him to his daughters once. Then took a son Junior and bred him to those first of his dads which were basically his sisters and then the young ones. We did this twice and then used a son of his Zaggy a couple of times. We have pretty well acheived our horn look. Every so often we get tight horns but for the most part all are open some more than others. The widest we keep for trophy stock. Hopefully at 3 to 4 years we will be able to sell them for hunting/breeding stock. Nancy Nancy, your Ram's interesting horn growth reminds me of Racka sheep. http://www.sheep101.info/Images/Racka.jpg Do you know if you have any Racka in your sheep? (sorry if it's been answered before) -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:21:43 -0800 From: Rick Krach rickkr...@hotmail.com To: blackbelly Blackbelly List blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] pictures Message-ID: col109-w2848cddf74b853d6d21eedaf...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks, Michael. ?I really love to see pictures like that of other people's ranches!You had frost, we had snow and I got 700 hundred of pictures of it. When I get them limited down to a decent size I'll put that posting here, too. Rick Krach Auburn, CA 95602 So, if anyone else has more pictures of their places, add them to the list, too. ?Thanks, Rick Krach Auburn, CA 95602 Rick, I we had a nice-looking frost yesterday and still some Autumn colors, so here's the small posting. http://web.me.com/mwsmith100/2009_bottle_lambs/Autumn_2009.html all shot with my old Casio Exilm pocket camera. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies _ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7secslideid=1media=aero-shake-7secondlistid=1stop=1ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:44:10 -0600 From: blueberryfarm blueberryf...@bellsouth.net To: Sheep Group blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Growth Rate for American Blackbelly Sheep Message-ID: 001501ca7942$a6dcc890$1301a...@ownerf3d1aeef2 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Fellow Shepherds, I have 5 ABB wethers that were born in February. Their weights now range between 34 and 53 pounds. They have always been pasture fed, except for some occasional sweet feed to keep them trained to the bucket. Do you'll experience similar variation in growth weights? Are these weights in the normal range for 9-10 month wethers? I appreciate your comments. Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, MS -- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:40:36 -0800 From: Julian Hale jbh...@comcast.net To: blackbelly
[Blackbelly] racka blackbelly
I also forgot to mention that we have the open long horn but this has got to go Up and also sprial tightly to look like the racka pictured. Some Rackas also go more out like our Brewsky which I show on our site. This is going to take saving alot of ewe lambs and rams since we don't know exactly what they will do until older as far as the curl. Plus ewes have to be at least 2 and have had a set of lambs before they can be AI'd. So we want to make sure what traits they can through before the expense of this proceedure. Thanks for looking at our sheep. Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 170 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: line breeding (Michael Smith) 2. Re: pictures (Rick Krach) 3. Growth Rate for American Blackbelly Sheep (blueberryfarm) 4. Re: Growth Rate for American Blackbelly Sheep (Julian Hale) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:18:34 -0800 From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] line breeding Message-ID: 3eabf8bc0912091518t736968f8r913bfa9c06d5c...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:20:26 -0600 From: Nancy Tom Richardson cjarr...@centurytel.net We have line bred for about 5 years to get the horn traits that we want. We started with Wingnut bred him to his daughters once. Then took a son Junior and bred him to those first of his dads which were basically his sisters and then the young ones. We did this twice and then used a son of his Zaggy a couple of times. We have pretty well acheived our horn look. Every so often we get tight horns but for the most part all are open some more than others. The widest we keep for trophy stock. Hopefully at 3 to 4 years we will be able to sell them for hunting/breeding stock. Nancy Nancy, your Ram's interesting horn growth reminds me of Racka sheep. http://www.sheep101.info/Images/Racka.jpg Do you know if you have any Racka in your sheep? (sorry if it's been answered before) -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] line breeding
We have line bred for about 5 years to get the horn traits that we want. We started with Wingnut bred him to his daughters once. Then took a son Junior and bred him to those first of his dads which were basically his sisters and then the young ones. We did this twice and then used a son of his Zaggy a couple of times. We have pretty well acheived our horn look. Every so often we get tight horns but for the most part all are open some more than others. The widest we keep for trophy stock. Hopefully at 3 to 4 years we will be able to sell them for hunting/breeding stock. Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 168 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Subject: Line breeding (Michael Smith) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:24:57 -0800 From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Subject: Line breeding Message-ID: 3eabf8bc0912071524m6e2ac0a5sd07d5858049a6...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Interesting subject, especially using Mouflons to get horns in ABBs (which I have heard before). No one out here in California appears to have Mouflons. I'd love to buy some, if I could find them local. Here in California, the breeders I've been getting ABBs from tend to talk about Painted Desert sheep being bred in, to get horns. The undesirable traits you get from them, tend to be the white-ish, patchy coats, like this ewe I bought, not so much for breeding, just as a pet: http://picasaweb.google.com/mwsmotorsports/NikkiS_Sheep827081028AM#5242312330560955538 her parents have the traits, of course, and you can see Barbado sheep (as they always call them) like this all around California. http://picasaweb.google.com/mwsmotorsports/NikkiS_Sheep827081028AM#5239254141459622306 http://picasaweb.google.com/mwsmotorsports/NikkiS_Sheep827081028AM#5239254148708487762 but you will still hear people call them Barbado, even though they don't always look it. In California, I think there's very little interest in actually breeding polled Barbado (Which I have never found, here) or horned American Blackbellies, for any kind of breed/looks consistency. Aside from myself, I am the only one I know who is working on it in the North Bay Area. Everyone else does it to train their dogs, for market or for lawnmowing, but I haven't met anyone interested in breeding for any looks or traits. her brother was actually an interesting outcome, with his Painted Desert patches on his face and legs, but otherwise black belly and brown socks. He was unfortunately, weathered, and then, ended up at market. I thought he was an interesting specimen, even though he did not look ABB. http://picasaweb.google.com/mwsmotorsports/NikkiS_Sheep827081028AM#5242312383096529250 _Michael -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 168 ** ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 163
I do the same with about 150 girls with my ram running year round. If a girl comes in he will run the babies off. This normally occurs at about 6 weeks. Good luck Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 163 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: rams in pasture (Rick Krach) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:23:33 -0800 From: Rick Krach rickkr...@hotmail.com To: blackbelly Blackbelly List blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] rams in pasture Message-ID: col109-w18cd76946abdba3ef3a54baf...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Michael, about your comments to Peter on keeping a ram with the ewes continually. ?I have a small flock, one ram and 4 ewes which have been together for ten years in a two acre pasture. ?The ewes are bred at their will and there are always between 4 and 8 lambs with those adults. ?If I don't sell the lambs at 6 months, they keep on nursing and the mothers refrain ?from getting pregnant twice a year. ?Having only one ram, this has worked out very well for me since everybody is always happy and gets along. ?If there is any conflict, it'll be with the ram starting to push ram lambs around this time of year. ?No one ever gets hurt and the ram lambs get butchered or sold then anyway. ?Maybe it's been easier for me over all these years since I generally get a great majority of ewe lambs. Rick Krach Auburn, CA 95602 Thanks, Peter. I am excited to watch them grow up and always look forward to Winter, when their coats and manes get really long. Rams are great to have, but my only advice is, I think I would have a hard time leaving one in a pasture by itself when not needed for breeding. If you plan on awlays having your ewes bred, then of course, he could stay with them. Having at least two or three seems like a nice way to keep them--if you plan to practice some control over breeding. Or I suppose, putting a wether in there with them might be a good solution for companionship. Plus, the fence-banging (neighbors can hear it), and the butting (can result in broken horns, oh well), and the occasional eye getting scratched. And they stink. Sounds great, I know. :-)...But I really like my boys a lot. Yeah, Lucy the goat is very vocal, in general. I just thought her sounds were kinda interesting, since sheep tend to be more demure about being in heat. _Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. _ Chat with Messenger straight from your Hotmail inbox. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_4:092009 -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 163 ** ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] noisy sheep
Well, I must have the noisy sheep of all. Mine love to talk! my husnband says it gets so annoying!. If I have a ewe that is given a little extra when she is alone. she then comes to the fence and cries everytime someone goes out. She wan't a bottle baby either She now has 6wk old twins and when she sees us she cries. Needless to say the rest of the heard will here her make that special sound which means shes gonna get something and boom! They all come running! Most all of my bottle babies will cry out when I am out or if its time to be fed. I have 2 now that you can set a clock by that are 2 months old. 6:30 am, 12:30 and then at 7pm. And if I don't do it right then they will scream till I do. Weaning is going to be a chore this time! But I love them. The talkers as I call them are all very people social sheep whiich alot of my others aren't. They will even ba back when spoken too when I walk in the feild with them at my side. My husband says I must be half sheep myself I spend so much time with them. I have had bottle babies catch a cold from me in the past. So everyone be aware with the flue and cold season coming round. HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL ! Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 150
I had a ewe that broke her leg just below the knew I couldn't get a splint on it but penned her in a hut. Fed watered etc for about a month. She did just fine. It took her a while to trust enough to walk on it but she is up and running good. She was bred just shortly after I let her out and she raised twins! Good luck! I would think she would be fine just needs to learn to trust her leg. Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 150 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. broken leg (blueberryfarm) 2. Re: broken leg (Stephanie Parrish) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:04:11 -0600 From: blueberryfarm blueberryf...@bellsouth.net To: Sheep Group blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] broken leg Message-ID: 000601ca65a0$4ed62430$1301a...@ownerf3d1aeef2 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hey Everyone, A neighbor saw that one of my older ewes had her left front leg hung up in a bush on which she was feeding and when she was released the leg was broken just below the knee.. I splintered it with a padded piece of PVC pipe split longitudinally and wrapped with an Ace bandage. The pipe extends from just below her hoof to about 6 inches above her knee. I put her in a small pen with water, hay, and sweet feed. It has now been 4 weeks since her accident and she looks fine, is eating well but puts no weight on her injured leg. My question is how long should the splint stay on? I am thinking about 6 weeks, then leaving her in the pen for another 2 weeks before releasing her back to the pastures. Thanks for your suggestions. Jerry Windmill Farms Picayune, MS -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:40:56 -0500 From: Stephanie Parrish birdh...@wildblue.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] broken leg Message-ID: 6cca1c81-86f9-4173-95b9-d7c439767...@wildblue.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Jerry, Bone takes 4 wks to heal, so it should be long enough. Have you taken the splint off to check that the skin has not ulcerated? Another two weeks in the pen without the splint should be fine. Stephanie Parrish Westminster, SC On Nov 14, 2009, at 10:04 PM, blueberryfarm wrote: Hey Everyone, A neighbor saw that one of my older ewes had her left front leg hung up in a bush on which she was feeding and when she was released the leg was broken just below the knee.. I splintered it with a padded piece of PVC pipe split longitudinally and wrapped with an Ace bandage. The pipe extends from just below her hoof to about 6 inches above her knee. I put her in a small pen with water, hay, and sweet feed. It has now been 4 weeks since her accident and she looks fine, is eating well but puts no weight on her injured leg. My question is how long should the splint stay on? I am thinking about 6 weeks, then leaving her in the pen for another 2 weeks before releasing her back to the pastures. Thanks for your suggestions. Jerry Windmill Farms Picayune, MS ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 150 ** ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] New Ram picture
For those of you who like to look at photos I have posted a new photo of a group of our Trophy type rams under our page Rams Galore. They would all make good herd sires. They all have great temperments as well as horns if you like the open look. Thanks for looking! Nancy www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 146
Peter they may be only lawn mowers but they are cuties! Love those tails! Blackbellies make great pets especially if bottle raised and/or given alot of attention and love when small. We raise about 20 or 30 babies of different breeds on our farm each year and I hate to sell them! But now that our herd of sheep have gotten to over 350 alot have got to go. Thanks again for looking at our site. Nancy Subject: [Blackbelly] New Ram picture For those of you who like to look at photos I have posted a new photo of a group of our Trophy type rams under our page Rams Galore. They would all make good herd sires. They all have great temperments as well as horns if you like the open look. Thanks for looking! Nancy www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Wow, those are amazing horns, quite exotic! Now for a letdown, here are our lawnmower grade American blackbellys checking out our rabbits. Not impressive sheep to sheep people but we love them anyway... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hwrFV_5oP0 Peter Wallace -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 146 ** ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 143
Hello, I bottle raised a jacob with my hair sheep. a couple of months after weaning I penned her with the jacobs again some he age some ewes. They hated her! hit her etc. I left her for about a week thinking they would bond eventually. Nope! Then I put her back with her original buddies. They haven't really excepted her back totally yet. Even after about a month. She just acts afraid of them mostly now. Not wanting to get to close for fear she will get hit. They never hit her but just tend to stay away somewhat unless they have to group up. I can't figure it out. Never had this problem before. Good luck perhaps the others will look to her as a mother figure/leader and it will all work its way out. Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 143 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 142 (Mary Swindell) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:11:45 -0500 From: Mary Swindell mswin...@siu.edu To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 142 Message-ID: 7.0.1.0.2.20091028190512.023e2...@siu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi Beth, Are the other sheep of uniform size, and she is obviously smaller? Does she have any other physical or mental impairments? Has she had trouble mothering her lambs? Is her mother still in your flock? If so, what does her mother think of her? Is there anything else remarkable about her behavior which might set her apart from the flock. I have a couple of ewes in the flock that were runts at birth, and they may be somewhat smaller than some of the other ewes even now, at 3 or 4 years old. But I've never seen the other sheep treat them particularly bad, so I am thinking it might be something other than the size. Wish I had more wisdom to offer on this. I'm always fascinated by animal social behavior. Let us hear more if there is news. I hope she can find her crowd among the weanlings. Mary At 05:01 PM 10/28/2009, you wrote: Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:40:11 -0700 From: GARLAND STAMPER gstamper97...@msn.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Outcast Sheep??? Message-ID: col102-ds15a41c17643e2572381470f1...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, I have a 3 yr old ewe that everyone hates. Anyone have any problems with sheep ganging up on an individual?? She's a runt and interestingly, the other sheep don't like her younger sister, either. I finally had to put her with the weanlings. Thanks, Beth in OR Sierra Luna Blackbelly Sheep -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 143 ** ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] (no subject)
Hi ! Had a lady call me that is looking for a small possible bottle baby ewe in northwest Ark. or Oklahoma. Anyone out there have such a thing? Thanks Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 113
Thanks for the update on your lamb she sounds like she is doing really well. When I wean I generally cut the milk concentrate first along with a little less the amount per feeding so that they desire to eat more. Then go for the less time and less milk etc. It normally take me about 3 weeks to wean a lamb but I generally am doing 10 or more at a time so my time doesn't really matter I have to be there no matter what. . Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 113 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Update on bottle lamb (Double J Farms) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:47:32 -0500 From: Double J Farms doublejfa...@wildblue.net Subject: [Blackbelly] Update on bottle lamb To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: b8facbe4c6f54f11b33f9d9cc6cc7...@farm Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Thought I would share some experiences with the bottle lamb since I last posted (6/23). We successfully reintroduced the lamb to the herd at 7 days old. We would go down to the barn every 4 hours and feed, but otherwise we were hands-off. She adapted well and appears to be only slightly smaller than her sister. We went through a couple of bouts with scours (cut milk concentration ~50% and pepto then slowly increased milk concentration) and survived. The lamb will be 7 weeks old on 8/5. She currently gets a bottle of full strength replacer milk every 8 hours and drinks about 15 ounces in 3 minutes flat. She eats grain, hay and grass with the other 9 lambs and acts like a sheep - except that she actually comes when we call her and is not afraid of the family dog (the dog normally licks the excess milk from the lamb's face). Its getting close to time to wean and we are thinking of trying to reduce the feedings to every 12 hours for about a week and then go to once a day for about a week before stopping the bottle. Any suggestions? John Carlton Double J Farms Spanish Fort, Alabama 251-625-2519 doublejfa...@wildblue.net -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 113 ** ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] scours
I have a bottle jacob ram lamb it is only the size of a 6 week old but is almost 3 months. His wool is bad and he is boney. I have wormed him etc. He is still being bottled because of his bad health. He started getting scours when he was about 3 weeks old and gets them periodically. They are a grey color normally. I give pepto etc and they go away. But no growth. He drinks milk egarly and does graze. I have good alfalfa hay for him to eat and he does eat hay. Any ideas? I have not had this problem before or since. He is in a pen with 25 other lambs and they don't have any problems. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 104
Sorry to hear about the large loss. We don't have a dog either. But find that fireworks work really well to scare off the coyotes when they start howling really close. The loud noise bothers them but we have found that dogs and especially dogs that are used buy hunters and around gun fire are not afraid. These are the dogs that kill for fun and leave and don't eat. Normally the coyotes will gut and eat the heart liver if nothing else and then come back to finish it the next night if you leave it out there. It is the season like you said for momma's to train their pups. They coyote hunters won't even let there dogs out because the mommas are so mean this time of year they don't want their dogs tore up. Now is when we need them! Oh well, at least you have your dog and hopefully she won't come after him. Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 104 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Sad day (William Buchanan) 2. Re: Sad day (GARLAND STAMPER) 3. Re: Sad day (Gail Winnick) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:08:21 -0500 From: William Buchanan bkbu...@bellsouth.net Subject: [Blackbelly] Sad day To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: ac4fa134fe7240c29c3c619938f92...@chrispc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hello all, Last night, as with all July 4ths, we brought our Anatolian in to sleep in the basement. He stresses out over the fireworks so we give him the night off. Besides, we haven't lost a sheep or seen any signs of coyotes in ages. Well, this morning we awoke to a field of dead sheep. At first I suspected dogs, wild or otherwise, due to the number of dead. But upon inspection, I determined this was done by a mother and her pups. Apparantley July is the beginning of the training period for coyotes pups. Every single dead sheep had small teeth marks on their throat or small puncture wounds on the throat. Not one sheep had a single stray bite anywhere else on their body. All the dead were a year old or younger, no adults killed. The most common victims were ramlambs born last fall. All were text book coyote kills, the only thing that confused me was not a single one was eaten or even cut open and of course, the number killed, 15. I had never heard of a coyote killing more than one sheep at a time, but after researching it, I have learned differently. They must have struck at daybreak. We got up and let the house dog out to use the bathroom and noticed the sheep gathered in a tight ball in the front pasture and very worried looking. We also noticed a young lamb staggering across the pasture. I went up the slight rise to get a better look and saw the dead bodies littering the pasture. All the bodies were very warm, the small amount of blood looked very fresh, no flies, and a few were still barely alive, drawing their last breath. I am still in a state of shock. Chris Buchanan -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:32:06 -0700 From: GARLAND STAMPER gstamper97...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Sad day To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: col102-ds18e6a66e186918010ae820f1...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Chris, OMG...I am so sorry and also shocked at the enormity of the attack. How senseless! Thank goodness your adults are alive. We don't have a sheep dog, but our flock is very small only 25 lambs and adults, so our elec fence and the neighbor dogs on all sides so far have kept ours safe. Coyotes are opportunistic predators...glad your dog can go back out and do his job. Sounds like he is doing a really good job! Again, my condolences. Beth in central OR -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:49:35 -0400 From: Gail Winnick hearts...@acd.net Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Sad day To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: bb5e943a375d4e4dac82d08f3bf00...@yourf78bf48ce2 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Oh my gosh Chris. I'm so sorry. Just when you think you're doing a good/nice thing. I would have never thought that after having the dog out all the time before that they'd come at the first chance
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 75
If she were mine I .would give her Pen g twice a day about 6cc and do it for 5 days I would also give her probiotics to keep rumen in check but that would just be for my sheep. and is just my opinion. I would maybe call a vet to check for sure. Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 75 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. antibiotics (Erin Mossa) 2. Re: antibiotics (The Wintermutes) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:47:28 GMT From: Erin Mossa horsef...@netzero.net Subject: [Blackbelly] antibiotics To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: 20090429.084728.2775...@webmail24.vgs.untd.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi every one, I have a young ewe that got caught in the fence. I thought her leg might be broken at first. Because she is turned out in a large field and it would take a bit of chasing to get her caught I decided to watch her for a week or two to see what kind of progress she made. Well her swelling is way down but she is still not right. I finally decided to bit the bullet and bring her in. The catching went surprisingly smooth. Turns out she has a cut up under her thigh. It is very infected at this point. I flushed it out with iodine and packed it to keep the flies out. I gave her a shot of Pen-G. My question is what is the best antibiotic for this situation? Pen-G,La 200 Any input would be great! Thanks, Erin Be your own boss. Click here for information on starting your own business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRRJVUZEvE3YfTCXBw7dh5KJrYr7LDoRcxpCeOXauyaK6CQdgUVYc/ -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:38:33 -0500 From: The Wintermutes winterm...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] antibiotics To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: c70dd2e6acfe4ac8b71d5ded0ec2c...@b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It pretty much depends on how bad off your ewe is. I have had much success with LA-200 in similar situations. I would clean the wound daily flushing it out with hydrogen peroxide. If there is a deep pocket, puncture, or difficult area to access I flood that area after cleaning with Pen-G. Feed the ewe extra well. I have seen truly amazing healing capabilities from these sheep. Mark Wintermute -Original Message- From: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info] On Behalf Of Erin Mossa Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:47 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] antibiotics Hi every one, I have a young ewe that got caught in the fence. I thought her leg might be broken at first. Because she is turned out in a large field and it would take a bit of chasing to get her caught I decided to watch her for a week or two to see what kind of progress she made. Well her swelling is way down but she is still not right. I finally decided to bit the bullet and bring her in. The catching went surprisingly smooth. Turns out she has a cut up under her thigh. It is very infected at this point. I flushed it out with iodine and packed it to keep the flies out. I gave her a shot of Pen-G. My question is what is the best antibiotic for this situation? Pen-G,La 200 Any input would be great! Thanks, Erin Be your own boss. Click here for information on starting your own business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRRJVUZEvE3YfTCXBw7dh5K JrYr7LDoRcxpCeOXauyaK6CQdgUVYc/ ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.7/2085 - Release Date: 04/29/09 06:37:00 -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 75 *
[Blackbelly] macon sale
Yes, They charge $15 at macon to sell each lamb in their auction.I am only a little over an hour away so its not to bad for just a couple of days. I also sell some of my bigger rams there so this is why I get to sell in the swap bottle babies and they are priced at $125 or so each depending on sex and pedigree. I just have to be there to feed etc. I am only a little over an hour away so its not to bad for just a couple of days Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Sick lamb
Our little sick jacob - Jerry - is pooping fine so no enama. When I do do enamas I use warm soapy water. Seems to do a good job quickly and put vasaline on the end of what is normally used as a wormer syrenge it is bulbous at the end so it doesn't poke or tear skin. He is still not eating well but Mark suggested perhaps pneumonia. I am going to try a mix of 1 1/2 cc pen and 1/2cc nuflor once a day for 3 to 4 days to see if I get any improvement. Will keep everyone posted so if this happens again we all won't be in the dark. Thanks for the help. Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 67 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. sick lamb (Nancy Tom Richardson) 2. microscopes for fecal tests (Cathy Mayton) 3. Re: microscopes for fecal tests (Becky Lannon) 4. Re: microscopes for fecal tests (Cathy Mayton) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:39:25 -0500 From: Nancy Tom Richardson cjarr...@centurytel.net Subject: [Blackbelly] sick lamb To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: ab9c8b89afbd4cd7982103038bc66...@cjarrich Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hello, I know my jacobs are different but I have a question about a sick lamb perhaps someone may have seen in their balckbellies. He is a bottle baby first of all. About a month old. The first 2 weeks of his life he ate like a pig! now for the last 2 weeks I have been lucky to get 5 ounces of milk every 6 hours down him. He has gotten a little skinny. He has Kent lamb pellets, hay, mineral , baking soda and water all available and is in a pen inside with others that are half his age and eat more than he. He shows no real signs of eating hay, pellets etc. Any ideas? He doesn't have a snotty nose or anything and when he does eat he sucks hard and excitiedly.. Any help would be appreciated. Nancy my email off list is cjarr...@centurytel.net -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 06:47:19 -0700 From: Cathy Mayton camay...@gmail.com Subject: [Blackbelly] microscopes for fecal tests To: blackbelly digest blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: 8abbba9d0904060647n558b2e40k4bc0b5cc52322...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For those who may be interested in doing fecals, I have 2 Premiere microscopes for sale, each has 4x, 10x, 20x and 30x and 40x objectives -- Cathy Mayton LeapN Lambs Winnemucca, NV -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:42:34 -0500 From: Becky Lannon beckylanno...@hughes.net Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] microscopes for fecal tests To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: 9d0276a8ec4f4a8288e2e7a50a894...@beckysofficepc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original - Original Message - From: Cathy Mayton camay...@gmail.com To: blackbelly digest blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: [Blackbelly] microscopes for fecal tests For those who may be interested in doing fecals, I have 2 Premiere microscopes for sale, each has 4x, 10x, 20x and 30x and 40x objectives -- Cathy Mayton LeapN Lambs Winnemucca, NV ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Cathy, What are you asking for them? Becky Lannon Lone Star Farm -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:35:34 -0700 From: Cathy Mayton camay...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] microscopes for fecal tests To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info, Becky Lannon beckylanno...@hughes.net Message-ID: 8abbba9d0904060835r29e549d8ybb0ca61e2bdb5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Becky, I paid $800 for them but am askint $450 or make me a good offer. Cathy On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Becky Lannon beckylanno...@hughes.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Cathy Mayton camay...@gmail.com To: blackbelly digest blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: [Blackbelly] microscopes for fecal tests For those who may be interested in doing fecals, I have ?2 Premiere
[Blackbelly] Lamb Sales
I will be at the exotic animal sale in Macon MO with bottle lambs if anyone wants one . Also if anyone is interested in bigger sheep I can deliver. Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 67 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. sick lamb (Nancy Tom Richardson) 2. microscopes for fecal tests (Cathy Mayton) 3. Re: microscopes for fecal tests (Becky Lannon) 4. Re: microscopes for fecal tests (Cathy Mayton) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:39:25 -0500 From: Nancy Tom Richardson cjarr...@centurytel.net Subject: [Blackbelly] sick lamb To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: ab9c8b89afbd4cd7982103038bc66...@cjarrich Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hello, I know my jacobs are different but I have a question about a sick lamb perhaps someone may have seen in their balckbellies. He is a bottle baby first of all. About a month old. The first 2 weeks of his life he ate like a pig! now for the last 2 weeks I have been lucky to get 5 ounces of milk every 6 hours down him. He has gotten a little skinny. He has Kent lamb pellets, hay, mineral , baking soda and water all available and is in a pen inside with others that are half his age and eat more than he. He shows no real signs of eating hay, pellets etc. Any ideas? He doesn't have a snotty nose or anything and when he does eat he sucks hard and excitiedly.. Any help would be appreciated. Nancy my email off list is cjarr...@centurytel.net -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 06:47:19 -0700 From: Cathy Mayton camay...@gmail.com Subject: [Blackbelly] microscopes for fecal tests To: blackbelly digest blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: 8abbba9d0904060647n558b2e40k4bc0b5cc52322...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For those who may be interested in doing fecals, I have 2 Premiere microscopes for sale, each has 4x, 10x, 20x and 30x and 40x objectives -- Cathy Mayton LeapN Lambs Winnemucca, NV -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:42:34 -0500 From: Becky Lannon beckylanno...@hughes.net Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] microscopes for fecal tests To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: 9d0276a8ec4f4a8288e2e7a50a894...@beckysofficepc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original - Original Message - From: Cathy Mayton camay...@gmail.com To: blackbelly digest blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: [Blackbelly] microscopes for fecal tests For those who may be interested in doing fecals, I have 2 Premiere microscopes for sale, each has 4x, 10x, 20x and 30x and 40x objectives -- Cathy Mayton LeapN Lambs Winnemucca, NV ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Cathy, What are you asking for them? Becky Lannon Lone Star Farm -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:35:34 -0700 From: Cathy Mayton camay...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] microscopes for fecal tests To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info, Becky Lannon beckylanno...@hughes.net Message-ID: 8abbba9d0904060835r29e549d8ybb0ca61e2bdb5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Becky, I paid $800 for them but am askint $450 or make me a good offer. Cathy On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Becky Lannon beckylanno...@hughes.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Cathy Mayton camay...@gmail.com To: blackbelly digest blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: [Blackbelly] microscopes for fecal tests For those who may be interested in doing fecals, I have ?2 Premiere microscopes for sale, each has 4x, 10x, 20x and 30x and 40x objectives -- Cathy Mayton LeapN Lambs Winnemucca, NV ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Cathy, What are you asking for them? Becky Lannon Lone Star Farm ___ This message
[Blackbelly] sick lamb
Hello, I know my jacobs are different but I have a question about a sick lamb perhaps someone may have seen in their balckbellies. He is a bottle baby first of all. About a month old. The first 2 weeks of his life he ate like a pig! now for the last 2 weeks I have been lucky to get 5 ounces of milk every 6 hours down him. He has gotten a little skinny. He has Kent lamb pellets, hay, mineral , baking soda and water all available and is in a pen inside with others that are half his age and eat more than he. He shows no real signs of eating hay, pellets etc. Any ideas? He doesn't have a snotty nose or anything and when he does eat he sucks hard and excitiedly.. Any help would be appreciated. Nancy my email off list is cjarr...@centurytel.net ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Re Location
I just want to let everyone know on the list that I will have some ewes for sale as well as lambs even a bottle or two I think that are not spoken for. Please contact me off list if interested. Also If anyone is in need of a ram I have several that I am going to sell. Thanks Nancy Richardson cjarr...@centurytel.net - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 59 We are located in North east Missouri. www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch You can see a picture of some of our rams and other there. I have been busy and not updated in a long while. I have been busy with 30+ bottle babies of all kinds. Congrats Mark on getting the momma to take the baby back I have never been that lucky! Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 34
We use regular cattle wire all around but always make sure that when going to catch work them that we coax them into an area with a cattle panel or higher fence. we don't seem to have much problem. Although from time to time a horn will get caught and we will have to get them out. These ewes normally get into a habit of eating on the other side of the fence since the grass always seems to be greener there! Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 27
I hate to promote a certain brand but I use Kent milk replacer. My lambs do great! I have 21 now! The only catch is that I mix it at about 20oz of water instead of 16. This makes it not so rich and give scours or bloat if they happen to over eat just a little and also pepto will take care of it quickly. I also at about 3 weeks put out the kent lamb 20 pellets which now at 5 weeks they have fell in love with although they don't eat alot compared to the hay they are eating. I also feed about every 5 hours at this age. I know this is alot of info but sometimes it helps in advance to know things that could happen and overt them. Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 27 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Milking (Michael Smith) 2. Re: Milking (j...@netzero.net) 3. ADVICE NEEDED (Dayna Denmark) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:52:19 -0800 From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Milking To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: 3eabf8bc0902181652u3cc6c474j928ec3b08948d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks to everyone for their thoughtful responses. Yesterday I found BamBam, they boy, had a temperature 2 degrees lower than the rest of the lambs. Being new to shepherding, I made an appointment with the vet this morning and brought him in. His temp was back up to normal but he was still resting while everyone was frolicking. The Vet's advice was to add some goat's milk (real, not supplement) to his diet --as he will eat it. His point was: if he takes a bottle at all, he's hungry, especially if he's used to his mother's milk. This Vet is an experienced shepherder as well. Also, we are strongly considering converting our 4 lambs to the bottle soon, anyways, because we would like them tame. We're not raising them for livestock. So I'd like to get the milking thing under my belt. While we can work supplement into the diet, I would like the bottle conversion to start with goat or sheep's milk. I'll check out my ewe as Mark advised, and compare to another ewe in the same nursery pen. From what I remember the bag on both udders felt pliable and water ballon like, but there was some very firm tissue under the entire bag area. (probably normal?) I'll check for a mucous plug as well. I have an experienced goat herder who raises pygmies, coming by this weekend to try to milk some of my ewes, to see if we can get past my barrier with them. _Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:09:41 GMT From: j...@netzero.net j...@netzero.net Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Milking To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22
I agree with 2 cycles. I have seen ewes bred for 2 days and then not have lambs until the second cycle time. For some reason sometimes they just don't settle. Nancy How long are most folks leaving the ram in with the ewes to make sure that they have all (all = 5 to10 ewes in my case) been bred - 2 cycles (~34 days)?? John Carlton Double J Farms Spanish Fort, Alabama doublejfa...@wildblue.net ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 20
I am raising almost a dozen lambs now. Different ages and reasons why. But some of them only take 4 oz every 4 or 5 hours. And they are a week or more old. I also dilute my milk a little bit making albout 18 - 20 oz instead of the 16. This keeps away scours if they do over eat a little. I also have some that are eating 7/8 oz every time. I guess it depends on the size of the lamb and its needs. I figure as long as they eat they are okay. Nancy PS My low colostrum ewe is doing great eating about 3 oz every 4 hours. She is a Jacob and is starting to grow already,. - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 20 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Colostrum question (Lorean Tadlock) 2. Re: Colostrum question (j...@netzero.net) 3. Albinism~ (Jules Pizz) 4. Re: Colostrum question (Lorean Tadlock) 5. Re: Albinism~ (The Wintermutes) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:27:39 -0600 (CST) From: Lorean Tadlock jlt...@skytex.net Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Colostrum question To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: 49466.12.154.46.174.1234448859.squir...@mail.skytex.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Barbara, We tried all those nipples as well and found that our took to a baby bottle with in a day or two. None of ours ever bit the ends off, they did try though. Lorean I had to force feed ours by prying their mouth open and holding their head still (on my lap). This went on for a week or more. The only nipples they liked were the yellow and red ones and it was quite a chore to change them over to the Jeffers nipples after they became too strong and chewed he yellow and red ones to bits. It was Carol who gave me the advice to put some honey in the sheep milk replacer but I still had to force them at every feeding. Ironically, twice when I left them with men for a couple of hours they were eagerly taking to the bottle when I returned. The tiny Boar (two died) I saved was very picky and liked a mix with buttermilk in it. Aloha a hui hou kaua! (Goodbye until we meet again) Barbara Heavens POB 1869, Kea`au, Hawaii 96749 (808) 968-0814 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:23:13 GMT From: j...@netzero.net j...@netzero.net Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Colostrum question To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: 20090212.072313.2112...@webmail14.vgs.untd.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 That's interesting to know because I tried the baby bottles and it seemed the rippled part they really could suck with was further back in their mouth than the baby nipple would reach. I also liked the way the nipples screwed onto a water bottle since ours drank about 12 oz every 2 hours. This was a lot more than the prescibed amount but they always finished the bottle and were crying for more in 2 hours. They're big and healthy now so I guess it was OK. I sent for a shipment of nipples from Jeffers with the feeding tubes just to have on hand since Hilo town can have a Nipple crisis at any time. On another note my ewe refuses to go into the yard with our bossy horned goat (doe). They're now in seperate pastures but nobody seems happy especially little bottle fed Harry (goat) who grew up with them. I just brought in a ram and I'm wondering if she's just protecting herself and possible lambs. This goat is awful and as soon as she kids we'll be trading her off. Aloha a hui hou kaua! (Goodbye until we meet again) Barbara Heavens POB 1869, Kea`au, Hawaii 96749 (808) 968-0814 -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: Jules Pizz ju...@foreverpugged.com Subject: [Blackbelly] Albinism~ To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: 499477c9.69.03...@your-2f1898a83e Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello good list~I have a lamb (ram
[Blackbelly] Colostrum question
Hello I have a question perhaps someone else will have an answer for. I found a twin lamb that had been left by mom perhaps 10 hours withought colostrum. It then drank 4 oz. and will be eating more. Will this lamb have a chance to make it or do you think it was to late? I never thought to look in another shed when I found her with a single since she had a single last year. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 16
I thought that a hermaphrodite was what it was called but just never saw it in sheep before. Someone told us that it happens in goats more frequently but they hadn't seen a sheep before. I guess we'll wait a few more months and see if she has a baby or not. Who knows maybe she is a rare one indeed! I wish that there was some place out there that studied this oddity I hate to just sell her for meat she is so neat and a real pet since she was a bottle baby. Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 16 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: He /she/it?? Help!!! (Stephanie Parrish) 2. Re: He /she/it?? Help!!! (Cecil Bearden) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 19:40:02 -0500 From: Stephanie Parrish birdh...@wildblue.net Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] He /she/it?? Help!!! To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: 980927be-72b0-4a7b-80b0-ecd3d64f0...@wildblue.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Nancy, Any animal that has both male and female reproductive parts is called a hermaphrodite. Most of these are sterile, but I suppose it is possible for them to breed or get bred, depending on what the internal anatomy is. With characteristics like horns, a mane, and male breeding behavior, your sheep may be producing testosterone, which comes from the testicles - so he may have fertile sperm as well - but if he has a vestigial penis inside the vulva, he will be unable to breed a female. On the other hand, if he has a normal uterus and ovaries, and allows himself to be bred, he could get pregnant. Often much of the internal anatomy is underdeveloped like the external anatomy, so most of them don't get or stay bred. Stephanie Westminster, SC On Feb 7, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Nancy Tom Richardson wrote: Well, heres the story, Last spring I had triplets born, 2 rams and a ewe so I thought. I bottle fed the ewe. She grew great horns and had a mane! My husband kept saying are you sure its a ewe, finally I turned here over no testicals and no penis Gotta be a ewe! We she/it has been fighting with the ram and trying to breed ewes all winter. Well we turned her over again, At the back right below the vigina is a set of tiny testicals and if you open the little vagina a tiny penis appears. My question will IT have a baby or have I just got a really weird sheep?? I have never seen or herd of this before. Some of you long time shepaerds have surely seen this happen. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 18:43:33 -0600 From: Cecil Bearden crbear...@copper.net Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] He /she/it?? Help!!! To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: 498e2ab5.10...@copper.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Never seen one... I would suggest posting on the sheep list to Helmut in Canada. He has surely seen this.. I think I know what it is called.. Cecil in OKla Nancy Tom Richardson wrote: Well, heres the story, Last spring I had triplets born, 2 rams and a ewe so I thought. I bottle fed the ewe. She grew great horns and had a mane! My husband kept saying are you sure its a ewe, finally I turned here over no testicals and no penis Gotta be a ewe! We she/it has been fighting with the ram and trying to breed ewes all winter. Well we turned her over again, At the back right below the vigina is a set of tiny testicals and if you open the little vagina a tiny penis appears. My question will IT have a baby or have I just got a really weird sheep?? I have never seen or herd of this before. Some of you long time shepaerds have surely seen this happen. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 16
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 9
Yeah, That is it We have Orschlens Farm HOme here. That is who carries and it says on the label for Cattle! - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 9 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Wormer blocks (Nancy Tom Richardson) 2. Re: Wormer blocks (j...@netzero.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:54:29 -0600 From: Nancy Tom Richardson cjarr...@centurytel.net Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wormer blocks To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: 53b453d2dc154942a5e2d4adef55f...@cjarrich Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original The wormer blocks we have here are for cattle. We tried it but they don't eat enough fast enough for it to do any good. It has safegaurd in it. Nancy - Original Message - -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 05:18:06 GMT From: j...@netzero.net j...@netzero.net Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wormer blocks To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: 20090124.191806.1300...@webmail22.vgs.untd.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Thanks Nancy, The feed store said they are for sheep and goats but I'm not so sure he knew what he was talking about. I did make sure they don't have copper though. I'll investigate but I think it's the one by Safe-Guard, yellow and green box. $40 here. Aloha a hui hou kaua! (Goodbye until we meet again) Barbara Heavens POB 1869, Kea`au, Hawaii 96749 (808) 968-0814 -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 9 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Wormer blocks
The wormer blocks we have here are for cattle. We tried it but they don't eat enough fast enough for it to do any good. It has safegaurd in it. Nancy - Original Message - ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Ram For sale - Missouri
We have decided to let our ram Junior go to a new home. He is a very good breeder and an excellant father if you let your ram run when lambing. He is pictured on our website. His father was not a blackbelly but his mother was, he was also a twin to a ewe. He throws blackbelly lambs many twins. Some of his lambs are pictured in various ways on our site. www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch Just give us an email if interested. Thanks for looking! Nancy Tom Richardson ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 146
For those of you who looked at the photos I should say that we sold WingNut at the top of the page about 2 years ago when Junior came along and was so beautiful. His horns are not quite as open as Wingnuts but if you notice the horns on his grandson Zaggy are more like his. We have Up and coming rams that look almost straight out right now. We call these Longhorn Sheep. Oh and we still have Squeekie The inside goat. He was house broke but this spring we put him out. He still thinks he is a dog and wants to ride in the truck and come in to eat sleep. Nancy - Original Message - From: blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 146 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ram photos (Dayna Denmark) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:50:42 -0800 From: Dayna Denmark day...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Ram photos To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: blu143-w194a337c29f018277c0fd883...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Nancy, Just spent some time looking at your photos. You guys have quite the variety and some beautiful rams, especially Wingnut. He has an interesting horn shape thats for sure! Just curious.you have an inside goat?? Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 146 ** ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Ram Photos
For those of you who like to look at ram photos I have started posting some of our photos of rams born this year along with our herd sires. If anyone is looking for a special color phase please give us a shout. We have over 50 rams born this past spring that we will be selling this upcoming year. Our lambing should be in full swing in February sometime if anyone is looking for bottle lambs. Thanks for looking and have a Merry Christmas! Tom Nancy www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 138
Good morning I tried the link and put in an extra - inbetween R and docket and it did not come back . Perhaps this was the problem. I heard it was extended until Dec 15 with alot of the new comments going to be put on the desk of the incoming officals. But who know's. Nancy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 138 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: EPA email address for comments failed (Cecil Bearden) 2. Alabama exotic species law and the Lacey Act (Double J Farms) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:15:58 -0600 From: Cecil Bearden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] EPA email address for comments failed To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Carol: It was my understanding that the comment period ended the Friday after thanksgiving, unless they extended it Cecil in OKla Carol J. Elkins wrote: Hmmm, the email address that the EPA provided for comments no longer works: Delivery to the following recipients failed permanently: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bonnie, do you have a valid email address? Carol ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:58:56 -0600 From: Double J Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Blackbelly] Alabama exotic species law and the Lacey Act To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Cc: Molly Reyenga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Imagine my surprise when I opened my monthly edition of Outdoor Alabama, the official publication of the state conservation department, and found a picture of a beautiful American Blackbelly ram (labeled as a Corsican ram) in an article about banned exotic species in Alabama! I immediately contacted the Alabama department of conservation and natural resources (ADCNR) and requested additional information. What I learned is that the Alabama legislature passed a law several years ago that prohibits the import, possession, sale or transportation of just about any animal that was not historically native to Alabama (and some that were). The list of animals is specific for some animals (species level) and general for others (family level) and includes animals of the family Bovidae (except bison). The law was apparently aimed and halting the spread of pay to hunt exotic animal operations, importation of turkey and whitetail deer, and exotic pet trading where the release (intentional or accidental) could result in that exotic species or disease becoming established in the state. ADCNR recognizes that some animals, American Blackbelly sheep and some Suidae (pigs) included, may be dual status, that is considered as both domestic farm animals and exotic species. So I asked, how do we, especially the conservation enforcement officers, tell the difference between a banned exotic animal and a domestic animal. The answer I received was two fold: first it depended on the end use of the animal. If the animal was to be hunted it was illegal. This was subsequently clarified to mean hunted in Alabama or other state were the hunting of the animal was illegal; secondly, since my operation is recognized as a farm by virtue of the premise ID issued by the state Ag department, participation in the USDA scrapie program (flock identification number) and the animals are all tagged, my animals are considered domestic - unless I offer them for sale for the purposes of hunting (see rule #1). The law provides exceptions for existing game breeders and operations that registered with the state before May 2006. It was odd that I received a telephone inquiry, about two weeks after communicating with ADCNR, from someone wanting to buy sheep for a pay to hunt operation in Alabama. Coincidence, perhaps. John Carlton Double J Farms Spanish Fort, Alabama [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 138
[Blackbelly] copper
I read this on another site and thought that it might be of interest to some who have questions about copper in sheep feed. Nancy http://www.elcascabel.com/copper.htm ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] ram lambs bottle ewes
I have several ram lambs born this spring summer that I am looking to sell. Also I have 2 bottle ewes that I am now feeding that are a little over a month old. Both of them are for sale. They are kept inside right now so would need to be aclimatized to your area. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] talking sheep
Well, when it comes to talking sheep I thought my were just weird. For the most part ours only call out to their young lambs. But when it comes to my bottle babies, the ones who stay really tame. They are something else! I can call out to them and they will call back and generally start coming toward me. Or if they see me out and about and they think I have grain they will call out and come to the nearest fence and keep calling until I answer or leave where they can no longer see me. All of this may be because when I go out into the feild with them I talk to them constantly to they know me and are not afraid. They can always tell when someone new is around even if I am out and talk but they don't walk away quite so far. Just a thought about why they seem to be so vocal. If anyone is looking for a ram I have several that I am going to be selling. Nancy From: Dayna Denmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] List OK?? To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have the weirdest question to ask the group. Do your sheep BAA? Mine never do, in fact some of them have never made any sounds at all. This morning one of them actually Baa-d and it stopped me in my tracks. I'm standing there waiting to here it again and of course it's quiet and they are all just staring at me. Anyway it just got me to wondering Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres -- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:46:51 -0500 From: Becky Lannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] List OK?? To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hahahahahaha! Why yes, they do, Dayna. As a matter of fact, they have many different voices. We had one years ago that I miss very much. Her name was Hootie, not sure why, but that's what she was called. She had the sweetest, most melodious little baa I had ever heard. Didn't sound real it was so sweet. She sounded like one of those stuffed dolls that you turn over on its tummy and when you turned it back over on its back it said, Maa-maa. When we heard that sound we always knew it was Hootie. It gave us a sense of well being like the town crier hollering the hour and following with All's Well. I wouldn't worry about yours not saying much. They must be pretty content to be that quiet. Becky Lannon Lone Star Farm - Original Message - From: Dayna Denmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] List OK?? I have the weirdest question to ask the group. Do your sheep BAA? Mine never do, in fact some of them have never made any sounds at all. This morning one of them actually Baa-d and it stopped me in my tracks. I'm standing there waiting to here it again and of course it's quiet and they are all just staring at me. Anyway it just got me to wondering Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:21:28 -0700 From: Paul Renee Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] List OK?? To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 And mine never spoke either for years, until we brought in two Katahdins, and now a few B along with them. Renee Bailey N. Idaho I have the weirdest question to ask the group. Do your sheep BAA? Mine never do, in fact some of them have never made any sounds at all. _ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 121 ** ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 117
Hello, We use the cydectin for cattle oral it is purple all the time for our sheep at the same rate. It does work great is and less expensive in the long run. Also use penn if there is bottle jaw or any sign of stress to help stop pnuemonia. It seems to creep in and kill fast if they are week from worms. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101
Hello, We use cattle cydectin not sheep. Our vet says that the sheep isn't strong enough. Use the cattle orally at a rate of 1 cc per 20 pounds. This give 2 .5 of wormer where the other is only 1 per 11 pounds. It has worked great for us the past couple of years. - We did use the sheep and lost a few to worms even when they had been wormed good at its called for dosage.. - Cattle seems to also be cheaper to use which really helps. This is just my 2 cents can't say if it will work for you. We also use it when pregnant at anytime. Nancy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101 To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I understand that cydectin is not recommended if they are pregnant. Also I understand that cydectin is the last resource after other dewormers proved not to be effective. For sure the new animals bring to much worms or new worms that the other animals were not exposed in so much quantity. A good idea would be to check with they former owner to see what dewormer they were using and how frequently they used and that would give an idea if the worm would be resistant to that dewormer, in that case you would need to use a different type. Have a great day!!! Andy The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a living at doing what they most enjoy. - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990) ... Notice: This email message and any attachments are confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately reply to the sender and delete the message from your email system. Thank you. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Onalee Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Onalee Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:39 PM Have you wormed your sheep? If not, then I would suggest using either Cydectin or Ivomec (I have had no luck with Safegaurd, it's a waste of time and money). This should be done immediately and may need to be repeated in 2 weeks and then on a regular basis. Giving them an Iron supplement and B-12 would be a big help, too. Onalee ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:02:19 -0700 (PDT) From: AP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can you give some details about the dieing process of the animals? That would help. Have a great day!!! Andy The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a living at doing what they most enjoy. - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990) ... Notice: This email message and any attachments are confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately reply to the sender and delete the message from your email system. Thank you. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, helen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: helen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:54 PM I'm a firm believer in Nutri-Drench. I use it anytime I see my sheep acting puny. For whatever ails them, this is a good step. What is growing in your pasture? Check for any of the poison plants, check feces for worms, check for ticks on their skin, especially around the barest areas, ie; udder scrotom, ears, inside and out. We are overloaded with turkey mite this year and have fed DE to help with worms also. So many things can be wrong and go unnoticed without close examination. Good luck. ( We dose our sheep with the nutri-drench 2x's a day and really pump it up when ours get sick.) Thank goodness that doesn't happen often. Helen ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:17:18 -0400 From: Pantalone, John A \(GE Infra, Energy\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To:
[Blackbelly] choked sheep
If your feed has whole oats they could be choking on it. We have had them gobble down feed with alot of oats and the little burr on it sticks in their throat. They drool and choke and jump. I did loose one young one who foamed and I couldn't do a thing for it. It got the foam in its lungs and died. Sheep are gobble guts so you really have to watch what you feed. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] (no subject)
Hello does anyone know can you apply permithian fly spray directly onto sheep and lambs? thanks nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 73
Hello, We had a jacob do something simulair last year. Our vet thought it was like a heat scald like babies get. He lost wool on the back of his hip and leg. I kept spraying with fly repell spray and gave him some penn for a couple of days,. It slowly growed back out just fine and you couldn't tell it it a couple of months,. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] New hay regulations
Hello. I just recieved this off another list I belong to. thought it may interst some. Ellerslie Acres Farm Jefferson, NC Member of NC Farmland Preservation Certified Naturally Grown Transporting Hay to be Subject to New Regulations By IPR Aug 19, 2006, 09:18 WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Under the Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Act of 2002, regulations regarding the transporting of hay will go into effect in December. The new rules are designed to protect against serious threats to the food supply. The regulations relate only to transported hay that is destined to be fed to livestock entering the nation's food chain, such as beef and dairy cattle, sheep and goats. All size farms are affected, but those who grow hay exclusively for use in their own livestock operation will see no change in the current procedures. The regulations state that specific documentation must be kept by farmers if they sell, barter, give away or otherwise ship hay destined for use as livestock feed off the originating farm. If someone else does the hauling, then the responsibility for record keeping shifts to the transporter. The Food and Drug Administration considers transporters to be anyone who has possession or control of an article of food for the sole purpose of transporting it by rail, road, water or air. The transporter's records must include both the source of the hay and the recipient, the origin and destination points, the date the shipment was received and the date it was released. A description of the freight and the number of packages must be noted. The transporter also must keep track of the route the shipment followed, any transfer points during transport, and the name of each carrier involved in the shipping process. The FDA requires that records concerning animal food be kept for one year. The documentation may be kept in either a paper or an electronic format. Currently, a standard bill of lading provides most of this information. When the FDA suspects that foodstuffs have been tampered with and present a health threat to humans or animals in the food chain, any records must be easily accessible and made available for inspection or photocopying. Records must be produced within 24 hours from the time of notification. Producers who grow hay for their own use and do not intend to provide it to other facilities will not, at this time, are not affected by the change in the FDA's rules. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Hurt sheep update
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 4:13 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 37 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hurt sheep (The Wintermutes) 2. Re: Hurt sheep (Julian Hale) 3. Re: Hurt sheep Don't mix banamine dex (Cecil Bearden) 4. Re: Hurt sheep Don't mix banamine dex (The Wintermutes) 5. Lambar Nipples ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 6. Parasites and Deworming (David Mansur) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:01:51 -0500 From: The Wintermutes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Hurt sheep To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If she is eating and drinking she will probably be walking OK in about a week. The penicillin is a good idea. An anti-inflammatory such as 1cc of Banamine per day until acting normal would help. Dexamethasone is a steroid and anti-inflammatory that also works well (.5CC TO 2CC). Dexamethasone really makes a injured sheep feel much better. IMPORTANT Dexamethasone is also used to induce labor so DO NOT use if the ewe is pregnant! Also, Dexamethasone reduces the immune system so do not use if an active infection or fever is present. Thanks for the advice. I am going to have to get some banamine to keep on hand for emergencies like this. Well, Princess is up and going. not putting any weight on her leg but she sure won't let me catch her! I did get her to come to the fence and eat some grain. (She never could resist grain.). I think she will be okay. I had another hair sheep get caught jumping and hurt her leg much worse and she is walking fine and even had a baby a couple of months ago. I didn't think she would ever use it and would possibly have to be put down. She is wild as a cats meow and that fight must have been what pulled her threw with flying colors! Thanks again Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Hurt sheep
Good morning, my husband found one of my favorite jacob sheep ewes caught in a fence this morning. I don't know how long she was there maybe overnight. She has a wound on her leg just above the ankle area which I put a little pennicillian on and also sprayed with iodine. I gave her a tetnus shot and about 6cc of penn. I don't know yet if she hurt her hip permantely or not as she hasn't tryed to stand since he got her out. Any other suggestions of what I can do for her? I will continue to give 6 cc of penn for the next 3 or 4 days. Any suggestions would be helpful. I know that I can't wrap or bandage her leg because of being a wooly. Thanks Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] milk temperature
I know that there have been alot of new people join the list and this is just a note to them: When you bottle feed lambs make sure you use just warm milk not to hot. The extra warm milk gives babies scours. I sometimes forget this myself thinking of momma's milk being so warm . Also something to have on hand is a small tube of triple antibiotic eye ointment. Babies always seem to get millk in their eyes when hitting the nipple which gives them a watery eye sagging lid. This little tube usually cost about 7 or 8 bucks when it doesn't contain cortisone. Also after about a week put out mineral for them They love it!Good luck with your babies and enjoy them! You will forever be hooked on sheep! Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Alfa Ram
Don't know if it will work especially since its winter. But we have had younger rams that tried to be agressive and we use a bucket of water on them when they start to come towards us.. A couple of times of a face full of water and they tend to stay far away until you feed espeically if shown the bucket . This usually happens in summer here not winter when they would catch a cold. Nancy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:53 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 16 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. lambs with colds (Nancy Tom Richardson) 2. Re: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 (William Buchanan) 3. Re: Lambs with colds (Dayna Denmark) 4. Re: Aggresive Ram (GARLAND STAMPER) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:42:28 -0600 From: Nancy Tom Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Blackbelly] lambs with colds To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Thanks for the advice on shots. I usually give 1 cc pen and1/2cc of excenel once a day and if they are really bad another dose of penn in the evening. I do this for 3 - 5 days depending on how sick. It normally is a great fix. I just hate the whole idea of shooting such a little thing. I think I will see if they get over the cold on their own. It doesn't seem to be affecting any of the other lambs they are with. And they are eating like pigs even nibbling pellets. Nancy -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:43:52 -0600 From: William Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My personal opinion is it is too late if he is that old and that aggressive. By now he not only has a large set of horns, he is used to imposing his will on others. Plus, he has no fear of you. It may slow him down a little, especially after the new ram puts him in his place, but he will still be a threat to you. I have a wether that is 8 years old and whenever I walk out to bring them a treat like an alfalfa bale or something, he starts to get aggressive/impatient and feigns a charge. He hasn't actually charged, but all he has are two buttons for horns and he was banded/bottlefed from 2 days old. He has never known real aggression and never learned to charge and fight. I can easily see where he would be a problem with just a little confidence. Chris B. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Fallis Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:06 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 I have a question My alpha ram is very aggressive. Dangerous at times (bottle fed, I was warned not to try and make a pet out of him) Throws very good genes and keeps the ewes happy. I have been wondering if I made a whether out of him, would his attitude change. He is now 5 years old. Is it too late? Jim Fallis Palmer, Texas ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:33:25 -0800 From: Dayna Denmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Lambs with colds To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Nancy, There are some good holistic products out there on the web. If you visit www.wolfcreekranch.com they have products for cough and cold that you could try. They are very detailed in whats in their formulas so you can see if something won't work for sheep. I think their product called Pets cough and cold formula would be safe to administer to a lamb based on the ingredient list. -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:15:32 -0800 From: GARLAND STAMPER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Aggresive Ram To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Jim, We both feel
[Blackbelly] lambs with colds
Thanks for the advice on shots. I usually give 1 cc pen and1/2cc of excenel once a day and if they are really bad another dose of penn in the evening. I do this for 3 - 5 days depending on how sick. It normally is a great fix. I just hate the whole idea of shooting such a little thing. I think I will see if they get over the cold on their own. It doesn't seem to be affecting any of the other lambs they are with. And they are eating like pigs even nibbling pellets. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] (no subject)
Sorry I put the link to our site wrong. www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch Thanks for looking Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 176
As many of you know we breed for wide open horns. I have posted some more pictures of some of our rams other sheep for those who like to look. It is possible to have horns cut or clipped and the ram live. Look at Copperhead on our BB web page. He broke off his bottom horn off at the skull just this past year. It was almost 14 long. He did fine with only minimul doctoring. Nancy www.freewbs.com/mossyspringsranch Thanks for looking! ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Sulfer
Here in Missouri you can buy salt blocks with sulfer in them. They look yellow. Some folks say if they eat it it will keep the flys and mosquitos away. Who Knows about that one. It does take them awhile to get use to eating it though. Nancy - Mossyspringsranch Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php? category=shopping ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 174 ** ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] bottle babies
Yes to Barbs love of her bottle baby.!!! I raise around 25 - 30 babies each year. Some are blackbelly crosses and some jacobs but all are loveable. Alot of them go to homes wanting pets etc. The ones we keep are certainly pest according to my husband. He has trouble feeding since they are always under foot thinking they should be feed by hand and then loved. They never want to let him threw the gates with the truck without getting out and following him to the house. As far as loosing lambs unexpectedly we did the same last winter. My husband hung an uncut bale string over a fence. Next morning he found a baby hanging there. Why it climbed up on the fence and got its head in the string is unknown. We normally always cut the strings on the bales and put them back in the truck but for some reason this one wasn't. HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO EVERYONE OUT THERE! Nancy Tom ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] sick baby Help!!!
Hello, I don't know much about goats hopefully someone out there will. I have a pgimy 3 weeks old. He was nursing mom but the last few days been eating on pellets. During the night I noticed him peeing blood. He is not nursing and she is large and very uncomfortable. I have forced 1 ounce of milk replace to him but don't know what else to do. Am considering giving 1/2 cc of pennicillan and some tetnus. Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks so much Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Relambs born in Late August
We had about 16 lambs born from the last of August through mid September. Boy have they grown exceptionally well. I Wish more had been born. Don't know why more weren't since we run the ram year round but figure more will start about the time the ice and snow flows with our luck! Truthfully though I fiugre a spurt in babies around thanksgiving and christmas for the most part. Then our jacobs should start lambing in mid January. Anyone looking for bottle babies get your order in now so that you can get a first pick. Nancy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 144 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Out of Season Breeding (Barb Lee) 2. Re: Out of Season Breeding (The Wintermutes) 3. Re: Out of Season Breeding (Barb Lee) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:05:20 -0800 From: Barb Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Out of Season Breeding To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Thanks Mark, I do know of some blackbelly flocks that lamb seasonally, despite running with the ram year round. I was thinking that if a person was in the midst of a personal breed improvement program (such as myself), that some effort would want to be made to deliberately breed out of season when proving breeding stock, just to make sure that trait was not unintentionally lost. We have begun a program of breeding starting Feb 1 for July babies, which according to your excellent explanation, does not qualify for out of season breeding. We have numerous reasons for this timeline, but I've never been sure just exactly what constituted out of season. If I wanted to prove to myself that my select breeding stock can lamb out of season, I will have to do so deliberately at least once in each ewe's lifetime. Thanks! Barb -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:46:42 -0600 From: The Wintermutes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Out of Season Breeding To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Barb, July and August are tough months for lambing due to heat stress. You are still doing an intense selection process for your flock using these months. The hotter the climate the more intense the test for lambing. Basically many sheep cannot go to term with their fetuses due to heat. If you have the pasture I think you will be better off with a July lambing. Your slaughter lambs will be ready for peak prices after the beginning of the year. One other negative for July through December lambing is ewe lambs generally do not give birth to their lambs until the spring following their birthday. So these maiden ewes will give birth closer to 18 months of age instead of 12 months of age. But... those extra months can help the ewe lamb mature so there is less chance of birthing troubles. If you get a July born ewe lamb to give birth to her lambs at 12 months (In July again) I would consider that ewe VERY special! Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Lee Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:05 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Out of Season Breeding Thanks Mark, I do know of some blackbelly flocks that lamb seasonally, despite running with the ram year round. I was thinking that if a person was in the midst of a personal breed improvement program (such as myself), that some effort would want to be made to deliberately breed out of season when proving breeding stock, just to make sure that trait was not unintentionally lost. We have begun a program of breeding starting Feb 1 for July babies, which according to your excellent explanation, does not qualify for out of season breeding. We have numerous reasons for this timeline, but I've never been sure just exactly what constituted out of season. If I wanted to prove to myself that my select breeding stock can lamb out of season, I will have to do so deliberately at least once in each ewe's lifetime. Thanks! Barb ___ This message is
[Blackbelly] dead lambs quick
A couple of years ago we put some rams out on a neighbors pasture and fed them grain about 2 times a week. they had been wormed. But we lost 3 of them. They just dropped dead. Figured out it was anemia. They were not getting enough protein from the grass but yet looked fat and sassy. Perhaps this could be the problem. Our rams weighed about 50 pounds. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Horses Sheep
We are considering buying some land that currently has horses on it. WE do not vaccinate for blackleg . Can anyone tell me how long we should wait before putting our sheep on the land or if we have to vaccinate for it? They will also be using the barn that the horses used. Thanks Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] hoof trimming
When we trim hooves we pen the rams and catch by the horns like everyone else. Then my husband picks them up and puts them on their backs between my legs while I am sitting on the ground and I cradle them between my legs and hold on to their horns.I talk to them and rub their faces and chin while he trims. When down we worm them orally and give shots if needed in the neck area. I do need a fence or panel to lean agains otherwise I can't last past 7 or 8. We did 40 one afternoon back in April and now its time to start over with them and then comes the 150 ewes.! Nancy - Mossy Springs ranch. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 118
We run a ram year round and are having some ewes lamb now. We have had mostly singles in the blackbelly type herd but 2 of our white horned wiltshires have had twins. But like you all have said they are healthy and strong but little in size. Nancy - Mossyspringsranch Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:37:31 -0700 (PDT) From: o johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Blackbelly] fall lambs To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 OK, I have a question. I live in OK and my girls are starting to lamb. They are having bouncy, healthy, gorgeous babies. Problem. I have not had ewes have singles in years and all my girls are having singles. Is anyone else seeing this. Thanks. OJ in OK Oneta and The Gang www.johnsonquarterhorses.com Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Updating site
Hello, We are in the process of updating our site. So when you have time you may like to take a look. Thanks for looking! www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Rams for Sale MO
Hello, We have Black Belly mature rams for sale as breeders or for hunting. They range in age from 16 months to a little over 2 years. www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch Thanks for looking! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 116 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. TRANSPORT - SEP/OCT trip starts in a few days (Ron Keener) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:32:21 -0500 From: Ron Keener [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Blackbelly] TRANSPORT - SEP/OCT trip starts in a few days To: Barbados Blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hello everyone! now is your opportunity to join the TravelWithRonK Yahoo group in order to watch a trip in progress - I will be doing final planning for a coast to coast to coast trip over the next few days - TUE or WED SEP 18th-19th I will be on the road starting with a: TX to midwest to west coast counterclockwise west coast loop followed by an east coast clockwise loop followed by a west coast clockwise loop by following the daily updates on the Travel group you can see my trip in real time - you can learn how I manage such long distances with a constantly changing load of small livestock - by doing web searches about the towns I pass through you and your kids can have an educational experience that is unbeatable! my next trips will probably be DEC/JAN and MAR/APR - after watching one trip you will understand better the process I go through for planning and executing a trip please read the three important messages below -- questions? Ron and Corgi co-pilot Jeremy private email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PLEASE NOTE! THREE IMPORTANT MESSAGES BELOW!! 1 - ALL livestock crossing a state line REQUIRES a minimum vet inspection certificate - it may be as simple as a certificate and rabies tag for dogs or as complex as several blood tests for other species - I WILL NOT TRANSPORT animals that do not meet the minimum requirements - go to the IMPORT web site below to find out what is required for the destination state of your animals - then have your vet double check with the destination state state vet office far enough in advance to have time to complete blood test requirements - ANIMAL IMPORT info at http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/sregs 2 - when I am on the road I DO NOT access my home email - email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or @MidAmericaBreedingTech.com addresses will NOT be viewed until I return home - if I do not answer your email within 24 hours assume I am on the road - in that case contact me through the Travel group below - the same applies to my telephone voice recorder at 512.259.5098 3 - if you anticipate using my transport service you need to join the TravelWithRonK group below immediately! by joining Yahoo at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TravelWithRonK or by email only (not required to join Yahoo) Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Travel with Confidence with TravelWithRonK! see pictures of my rig at http://TravelWithRonK.com ron keener near Austin, Texas http://TravelWithRonK.com http://MidAmericaBreedingTech.com thanks - please see below for some useful web sites --- TRAVEL MAPS at http://www.MapQuest.com DISTANCE CALCULATIONS at http://www.indo.com/distance/ ANIMAL IMPORT info at http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/sregs TRAVEL WITH ME at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TravelWithRonK NATIONAL GASOLINE AVERAGE PRICE INFO at http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 116 ** ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] poem
I got this off of the hair sheep list but thought it appropriate for those who raise sheep. I know it does fit me perfectly. Nancy Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:05:06 -0500 From: Angel Valley Farm Before I was a Goat Owner by Sarah Haner Before I was a Goat Owner I made and ate hot meals. I had unstained clothing. I had quiet conversations on the phone. Before I was a Goat Owner I slept as late as I wanted And never worried about how late I got in to bed. I brushed my hair and my teeth everyday And only took one shower a day. Before I was a Goat Owner I cleaned my house each day. I never tripped over feed buckets or forgot to buy wet wipes. Before I was a Goat Owner I didn't worry whether or not my plants were poisonous. I never thought about goat immunizations. Before I was a Goat Owner I had never been puked on Pooped on Spit on Chewed on Peed on Or stepped on by huge hoofs. Before I was a Goat Owner I had complete control of my mind My thoughts My body And I slept all night. Before I was a Goat Owner I never pulled out a screaming kid so that it could breath the breath of life, or held it down to give it a shot. I never looked under it and cried at the sight of a female organ. I never got gloriously happy over a simple snort. I never sat up late hours at night watching a baby be born. Before I was a Goat Owner I never held a smelly cuddly baby just because I didn't want to put it down. I never felt my heart break into a million pieces when I couldn't stop its mothers pain in labor. Before I was a Goat Owner I never knew something so small could effect my life so much. I never knew that I could love something so much. I never knew I would love being a Goat Owner Before I was a Goat Owner. I didn't know how special it could feel to bottle feed a hungry baby. I didn't know that bond between a Owner and her goat. I didn't know that something so small could make me feel so important. Before I was a Goat Owner I had never gotten up in the middle of the night Every 10 minutes to make sure all was okay. I had never known the warmth The Joy The love The heartache The wonderfulment Or the satisfaction of being a Goat Owner. I didn't know I was capable of feeling so much before I was a GOAT OWNER. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] New Photos
Hello everyone, I have just posted some pictures of some of the rams that we will have for sale. Some are black bellies, corsicans and black hawiian. They are all sired by WingNut Sr.and have their horn size listed. We also have others that are not pictured. They are from 12 months to about 18 months or so of age. We will also have weaned lambs from Jr. for sale later this year if you want to place an order now. Thanks for looking . Nancy www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 74
Hello, We had an experience last night that I thought I would share. We have had over 400 babies born since we started raising sheep and never before has this happened. I saw a jacob new born. but couldn't see its face because momma was afraid and taking it away. About 3 hours later after dark Tom went out to check on it. Its lower jaw was swollen looking like a severe case of bottle jaw. We brought her in and about 6 hours later it went down. Called the vet after it reappears shortly the next morning. He said it was from a hard birth that the pelvic area probably didn't open good or she was just a large lamb. So if this happens to some one now you will know what to expect. Its not worms! at that young age of just hours. Nancy - - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 74 Send blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. JUN/JUL coast to coast transport - market item (Ron Keener) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 07:10:30 -0500 From: Ron Keener [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [blackbelly] JUN/JUL coast to coast transport - market item To: Barbados Blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hello everyone! the MAR/APR/MAY transport trip has been completed - I am preparing the equipment for the next trip which will be mid JUN/JUL/early AUG - I already have a number of reservations so I expect space to be limited during this next trip - one of the transport services has gone out of business so I expect many of their regular customers to contact me - that means that I am likely to be near full capacity at all times - last minute reservations face a strong possibility of my not having room to add your animals so please contact me as soon as you can if you contemplate needing transport - [EMAIL PROTECTED] I highly recommend that you join my TravelWithRonK Yahoo group below - that is where I post updates in a timely manner - if you want the latest info on what I am doing then get it from the Travel group! as always I need name, address, phones, email, local directions, and a description of the animals for the pick up and name, address, phones, email, and local directions for the drop off to be able to do planning during the last trip I was stopped for a random ag inspection by the Cokeville WY *CITY POLICE* - the USDA is putting lots of pressure on the states to fill in the gaps on NAIS so it is IMPERATIVE that all animals be legal for transport - go to the web site below for info and then have your vet contact the destination state early so that the animals can be legal - I WILL NOT transport animals that are not totally legal - I have been stopped SIX times in the past year for random inspections so this is not a trivial request! -- questions? Ron and Corgi co-pilot Jeremy private email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PLEASE NOTE! THREE IMPORTANT MESSAGES BELOW!! 1 - ALL livestock crossing a state line REQUIRES a minimum vet inspection certificate - it may be as simple as a certificate and rabies tag for dogs or as complex as several blood tests for other species - I WILL NOT TRANSPORT animals that do not meet the minimum requirements - go to the IMPORT web site below to find out what is required for the destination state of your animals - then have your vet double check with the destination state state vet office far enough in advance to have time to complete blood test requirements - ANIMAL IMPORT info at http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/sregs 2 - when I am on the road I DO NOT access my home email - email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or @MidAmericaBreedingTech.com addresses will NOT be viewed until I return home - if I do not answer your email within 24 hours assume I am on the road - in that case contact me through the Travel group below - the same applies to my telephone voice recorder at 512.259.5098 3 - if you anticipate using my transport service you need to join the TravelWithRonK group below immediately! by joining Yahoo at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TravelWithRonK or by email only (not required to join Yahoo) Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Travel with Confidence with TravelWithRonK!
Re: [blackbelly] blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 70
This silly goat will just walk up to the post and hit it 3 or 4 times.No trembling or shaking etc. She is also pretty onry to the other goats. She won't let them eat anywhere near her or she will hit them. I think she is just plane mean. Also I still have a few sheep for sale if anyone is interested. Thanks Nancy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 70 Send blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Strange behavior from angora goat (Julian Hale) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 13:02:58 -0700 From: Julian Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Strange behavior from angora goat To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii At 07:02 AM 5/5/2007, you wrote: Hello, I don't know if anyone can help with this or not. We have an angora goat doe. She is well fed, wormed shorn etc. she keeps banging her head on the post in the barn. We can't figure it out . She has her kid which was born back in late december and is doing fine. Thanks for your help. Nancy www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch Does she display any other odd behaviors? Trembling, circling, etc.? As far as the banging goes, does she stand in one place and hit over and over again? Maybe you can describe the odd behavior in more detail. Julian -- ___ This daily digest is from the blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 70 * ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 68
Hello, I don't know if anyone can help with this or not. We have an angora goat doe. She is well fed, wormed shorn etc. she keeps banging her head on the post in the barn. We can't figure it out . She has her kid which was born back in late december and is doing fine. Thanks for your help. Nancy www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 68 Send blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Unregistered AB ram for sale-Spokane, WA (Julian Hale) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 14:12:05 -0700 From: Julian Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [blackbelly] Unregistered AB ram for sale-Spokane, WA To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't need him anymore, and thought someone might want some new blood. He came from Kyla Robbins out toward the coast. I know there are a couple other people from the Spokane area on here, so I thought I'd put the word out. I'm going to take him to the Critter Swap @ Inland Feed in Deer Park on 5/5, so if you're interested you can email me, call, or just show up to look at him. 509-292-5168 Julian -- ___ This daily digest is from the blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 68 * ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Crippled new born -
Hello, I have had a new born Jacob who won't lower his back legs . He wants to keep them drawn up . Any ideas? I have had 2 others born that couldn't stand. The legs would fold under at the first joint. Like they were weak. they never got any stronger. Each of these lambs were born with soft spots on their head. I have been told sheep don't have this. Any ideas? Thanks Nancy ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Bottle lambs
I forgot to mention that we are considering going to the exotic sale in Fruitland MO . (Southeast Corner). If anyone is intereseted in a bottle baby corsican lamb I have a couple of rams left from Wing Nut Sr. and some rams and ewes from Jr his son. Nancy - www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch - P.S. I also have bottle baby Jacob 4 horns if anyone knows of someone wanting wool babies. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] bottle babies
I am considering going to the Fruitland MO exotic sale this coming friday. If anyone is interested in bottle babies I have a ram that is now 6 months old that was sired by Wing nut and I have several ewes and rams that are corsicans that were sired by wingnut Jr.(He is a black belly ) Pictures of the sires can be seen on our site. Also if anyone knows of someone wanting bottle baby jacob 4 horns I also have several of them left that are 6 - 8 weeks old. Thanks Nancy - www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Goat lamb replacer
Thanks for the info on goat kids. I was lucky and the momma took her back! I am now rearing 13 lambs in the house and another 5 outside and really didn't need another. Hopefully my Jacobs will be better mothers as first timers so I don't get many more. Thanks again Nancy ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 33
Hello, I may have a baby goat kid that I have to bottle can anyone tell me if I can use lamb milk replacer or do I need special milk?I have never raised a goat before. Thanks Nancy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 33 Send blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. today's update on starved sheep (Carol J. Elkins) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:10:01 -0700 From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [blackbelly] today's update on starved sheep To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Here is an update I received today from Cindy Stamer, sister to one of the two vets who were called in to help treat the Craig County blackbellies that were found starving. If you can help, this would be a good thing to do. There are contact numbers at the end of the article, and you can call the Kelley family (the folks who are caring for the sheep) at 918-244-5888, or write them at 26644 South 4360 Road, Vinita, OK 74301. There also is a good article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/NewsStory.asp?ID=070225_Ne_A1_Anima30146 __ The following is a rough update based on notes from discussions I had recently with folks in Vinita. I understand the Oklahoma Supreme Court is scheduled to hear the appeal later this month. By then, I am told the county expects that it will have been required to expend more than $100,000 to care for and maintain the neglected animals, as the court ordered the county would keep the animals in its custody, but refused to enforce the provision of the new Oklahoma animal cruelty law that would have required Mr. Bell to post bond to cover the costs of maintaining the animals pending the appeal as a condition of his appeal. See the following: Craig County, Oklahoma officials need donations to pay costs of caring for 1250 Barbado sheep, 300 cows and 12 horses seized by the Craig County Sheriff's Department in connection with the largest criminal animal abuse investigation in U.S. history. Craig County Sheriff Jimmy Sooter says there is no money in the county's budget to pay the more than $50,000 of expenses the county has incurred for care of the animals since his department seized the animals last month, or additional costs that will be required to maintain them while the Oklahoma courts decide the animals' fate. Our biggest problem right now is money. There is no money budgeted for a situation like this. We are in need of donations for food and grain and hay to feed these animals, says Sooter. Craig County officials seized the animals between January 17 and January 23 after sheriff deputies found the animals among 800 other dead or dying sheep on four separate properties of owner David Bradley Bell. Bell and his wife Tanya, presently are facing multiple animal neglect and cruelty charges, according to Craig County Assistant District Attorney Jim Ely. Deputies discovered hundreds of dead, dying and starving animals while investigating reports of neglected animals on Bell properties. Craig County Sheriff Deputy Robin Livingston says graphic pictures posted on the websites of the U.S. Humane Society at http://multimedia.hsus.org/images/oklahoma-cruelty.html and at www.tulsaworld.com/deadsheep provide only a limited glimpse into the horrible conditions sheriff department deputies found. Livingston said they could see clearly see hundreds of dead and dying animals as they drove onto the property. Deputies discovered stacks of dead and dying sheep strewn across the pastures, on a porch, stacked on top of each other in feed troughs and in a barn. It looked like a battlefield. There were dead animals everywhere, she said. Human society officials and local veterinarians called in to help investigate the case and care for the animals say that although cold may have hastened the death of many of these animals, but that the advanced decomposition of many of the carcasses establishes that neglect and abuse as the primary cause. According to Livingston, it was immediately apparent to sheriff deputies that the animals that weren't already dead needed help. As we got out of the vehicles, sheep surrounded us and began nibbling
[blackbelly] processing grain
I read somewhere that a lamb can't live on hay and grain alone until 10 weeks of age. But I have had a lamb or two that wouldn't drink much milk from a bottle and the only problem I have found is that they just don't grow very well. They tend to get the scoots and need pepto because the grain and the alfalfa is so rich. When bottle feeding though I think that holding and cuddling lambs alot gets them to trust you and begin drinking more milk sooner. Just a thought. Nancy - Mossyspringsranch ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18
Hello, This is a quick note to let everyone know that is thinking of reserving lambs with us that as of Feb. 15th the cost of lambs will be going up do to the increased cost of hay and grain. People here are asking 4.75 to $6 a bale for alfalfa and corn at the local MFA store is now $5 a bushel when cracked. We have had over 60 lambs born since christmas so if you are serious about wanting a Wing Nut baby Now is your last chance . We only had about 40 of his lambs born. We are also lambing a few 4 horn crossed with Texas dahl hair babies if anyone is interested in them. They are very cute and have hair not wool. Email for photos. Nancy__www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch Thanks for looking!_ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- ___ This daily digest is from the blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18 * ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15
I put out baking soda for our sheep all the time. They seem to love the taste. Nancy @ mossysprings - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15 Send blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. today's update on starved sheep (Carol J. Elkins) 2. Question (Sue Miller) 3. Re: Question (Terry) 4. Fears over new tagging rules in Europe (Carol J. Elkins) 5. Re: Question (Paul Renee Bailey) 6. Friday Sales/New Office Manager-Dispatcher (First Class Transport) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:23:31 -0700 From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [blackbelly] today's update on starved sheep To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Copied from http://www.tulsaworld.com/NewsStory.asp?ID=070123_Ne_A1_Anima27014 Animals taken from rancher in sheep case By ROD WALTON World Staff Writer 1/23/2007 Online: http://www.tulsaworld.com/deadsheepWatch a slideshow of photos taken at the property. Editor's note: The images are graphic. VINITA -- Craig County authorities have seized the remaining animals owned by a Bluejacket rancher accused of allowing hundreds of sheep to starve to death, Undersheriff B.J. Floyd said Monday. Deputies, animal-rights activists and community volunteers worked over the weekend to move a total of 1,250 Barbados adult sheep and 30 of their lambs, 300 head of cattle, 12 horses and one dog from the properties of Bradley Bell, the undersheriff added. Investigators estimated that they found about 400 dead sheep last week on Bell's property. Authorities believed many of them starved to death. The surviving animals appeared to have been hungry, reports say. We're taking everything, Floyd said. The cows were so weak we had to load them in trailers by hand. All of the animals were taken to a farm west of Vinita, authorities said. They are being fed and vaccinated throughout this week, reports show. Bell, 46, was arrested last week. Officials said he could be charged with animal cruelty. He is free on $5,000 bail. Another person in the investigation might be arrested this week, Floyd said. We're real careful in how we're doing it, he said. We're still investigating. Bell's attorney, Jot Hartley, could not be reached for comment Monday afternoon. He previously said that Bell insisted that he had fed and cared for the sheep, which he had bought and moved from southern Texas in the past year. Bell will be vindicated in court, Hartley predicted. He said autopsies would reveal that the dead sheep had food in them. The scene of sheep carcasses stacked atop each other in Bell's barn has attracted attention from across the country, authorities said. The Humane Society of the United States even sent a disaster-response team to Bluejacket to help with the recovery, reports say. The story has particularly disturbed ranchers who raise Barbados sheep, an Illinois-based representative of one breeders group said Monday. Mary Swindell, the secretary-treasurer of the Barbados Blackbelly Sheep Association International, said ranchers from across the country were getting in touch with her to talk about the Oklahoma case. Swindell also helps run Bellwether Farm in Cobden, Ill. The immediate reaction from people in the know was disgust and anger that someone could (allegedly) allow their stock to come to this kind of end, Swindell said. She concurred with Hartley's earlier assessment that some Barbados sheep undergo serious stress when they are moved. However, Swindell said the number of deaths in Bell's flock was unusually high. She also downplayed the theory that Oklahoma's recent icy weather may have contributed to the animals' demise. In fact, Swindell added, ranchers raise Barbados sheep from southern Texas to Canada. They don't have very much trouble with the cold, she said. This breed is known as one of the heartiest sheep breeds. Oklahomans also have responded by donating money toward the animals' food and medication costs. Floyd estimated that the Craig County Sheriff's Office has received all kinds of donations, including about $1,600 on Monday alone. The Oklahoma Alliance for Animals also has solicited donations to help care for the sheep.
Re: [blackbelly] blackbelly Digest, Vol 2, Issue 219
Oneta, Glad Bailey is doing well. The sheep are always teaching us something. One person told us sheep are just looking for a reason to die. But yet it seems like if they want to be they are tough as old boots. We had a wool ewe tear a chunk out of her side thumb nail size. The vet said never sew up a sheep because of the lanolin etc. She survived 10cc pen every day for 7 days. During the catching process she snapped a horn on top (she was a 4 horn). Now she has 3 and we call her Spike Momma! Never thought she would live it looked horrible! Giving Lambs especially Love and attention when they are hurt seems to help as much as med's do at times. I am sure he will be okay. Happy Holidays to All. Nancy , Tom and the sheep @ Mossy Springs - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:27 PM Subject: blackbelly Digest, Vol 2, Issue 219 Send blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: (no subject) (Johnson, Oneta) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:47:26 -0600 From: Johnson, Oneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject) To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii UPDATE ON BAILEY. Well so far so good. Bailey is putting wet on his leg and slowly walking around. He is eating and actually waiting for me in the am. We were working on our stud pen yesterday and I opened his stall door to see if he would come out. He came out and checked over every thing we were doing. He still looks horrible but he is getting bright eyed and more interested. He is terrified of the pups but still wants to hang with the older dogs and they are going slow for him. Now if we can keep the infection down Bailey has a great chance. Thanks to all who have given info. I have slowly gotten more good information in my sheep book. I hope all have a great Christmas from Bailey and me. OJ Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:21 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject) Oneta: Just got your post. I had a ewe a long time ago with a leg that was stripped by a dog. I used nitrofurazone ointment. used it daily for 6 months then gave up and 2 years later she was fine. I used pennicillin for antibiotic. Iodine works great also, it keeps the flies off. Be careful with Banamine. 1/2 cc every 3 to 4 days should be plenty. DO NOT MIX BANAMINE and DEXAMETHASONE or Cortisone.. I have done that and they don't last over 3 days. I would not give more than 2 shots of Banamine. Allow the wound to crust over and seal itself somewhat. Paint it with iodine or Nitro ointment. Main thing is flies..It will heal over but it will take a long time. Be sure to keep mineral available for him. After raising a baby on a tube, I understand what you are going through Cecil in OKla Johnson, Oneta wrote: I have been trying to get this posted. I need some good ideas for our Bailey. He is our boy we have in the parades, etc and he is still up and trying this am. His backend is swollen but so far no infection that I can see. Pumping him full of antibiotics. All help appreciated. oj Well I have a problem. Our barn pups (border collie/heeler mixes) have decided that our wether bailey is their chew toy. They do not bother any other animal but him. I do not know if it is because he thinks he is a dog and will not fight or what. They tore a huge hunk (you can see his tendons, etc) off his rump and tore his face. We have him full of antibiotics and sprayed him with underwoods and put pickling lime on to stop the bleeding. If anyone knows underwoods it has been around forever and I have seen it work wonders. As of this am Bailey was still up and more aware of things. Very sore but did try and eat. I know he hurts. What can you give for pain or should I not and has anyone had to heal such a terrible wound. As long as he tries we will fight for him so we are needing some help. We have no sheep vets around here so we are on our own. All suggestions and prayers are appreciated. Bailey is our little bottle baby we kept in the
Re: [blackbelly] blackbelly Digest, Vol 2, Issue 213
What we call corsicans are anything with a yellow belly. We have black bellies, frosty backed blackbellies , and yellow bellies. They could have a black belly mom and yellow dad or be a yellow mom yellow dad and still throw a black belly baby. You never know what you will get . Just my 2 cents. Nancy www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: blackbelly Digest, Vol 2, Issue 213 Send blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Corsican vs. Blackbelly name (Cecil Bearden) 2. Re: Corsican vs. Blackbelly name (Johnson, Oneta) 3. Re: Corsican vs. Blackbelly name (Carol J. Elkins) 4. Re: Corsican vs. Blackbelly name (Barb Lee) 5. Re: Corsican vs. Blackbelly name (Cecil Bearden) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:14:16 -0600 From: Cecil Bearden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Corsican vs. Blackbelly name To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Carol: first let me say that I am not arguing with your response. Just an observation. I have some sheep that seem to have reverted to the Corsican gene.. What I noted was that the Corsican had a thicker head from the jaw to the nose bridge The Blackbelly has a slim and very pretty head in my opinion. The Corsican is not as pretty. I have one ewe that has had ewe lambs that look like Corsicans since she has become older. ( close to 20). This pprobably due to the rams I have had and not her problem... The pictures of Corsicans that I have seen have a larger head than Blackbellies. Just my $0.02. Cecil in OKla Carol Elkins wrote: Not a dumb question at all. Corsican is a name used to describe sheep having the American Blackbelly coloration and horns. When the Barbados Blackbelly was crossed with Mouflon and Rambouillet to add horns for trophy hunters (creating what we refer to now as the American Blackbelly, a game rancher by the name of Thompson Temple gave it the name Corsican and added it to first record book he created in 1976. He bestowed exotic names to several other color combinations such as Hawaiian Black, Texas Dall, and Painted Desert. You'll hear the term Corsican used primarily in Texas, but it is, for the most part, an American Blackbelly. Carol On 12/6/2006 10:30:09 AM, william bartlett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Time for a dumb question that has probably been ask before. What in the world is the differance between a blackbelly and a corsican. Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info llysheep.info -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 08:11:23 -0600 From: Johnson, Oneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Corsican vs. Blackbelly name To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow. Now I have a question. How old can I girls go and still have healthy babies. I have asked other sheep (non bb) people and they tell me they get rid of their ewes when they are between 7 to 9. If they can go that long I have some nice producing ewes I am hanging on to. They are 6 to 9. oj Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:14 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Corsican vs. Blackbelly name Carol: first let me say that I am not arguing with your response. Just an observation. I have some sheep that seem to have reverted to the Corsican gene.. What I noted was that the Corsican had a thicker head from the jaw to the nose bridge The Blackbelly has a slim and very pretty head in my opinion. The Corsican is not as pretty. I have one ewe that has had ewe lambs
[blackbelly] Rams for sale
Hello, I hope everyone in the midwest is all safe and sound. Our sheep woke up the other morning to 14 of snow that they didn't know what to do with. They were afraid to go out in it! Any way just wanted to let everyone know we still have several almost 1 year old rams available to become herd sires. They were sired by Wingnut . We have both blackbellies and corsicans. Please email for photos. Thanks Nancy www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch I have put on a few new pictures. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: blackbelly Digest, Vol 2, Issue 208 Send blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Winter strategies (Terry) 2. Re: Winter strategies (Kyla Robbins) 3. Re: Winter strategies (Terry) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:08:03 -0800 (PST) From: Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Winter strategies To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I am a bit slow etting to mail, and I find this interesting-- I am currently using Stall Dry sprinkled over the wooden floors, with a layer of peat moss over that. Then, A good sized bag of sawdust-- which I get for 5 dollars a pickup truck load ( I am using my brother's PU truck-- it's bigger than mine!) To add to the bedding, I first stir up the old stuff, then level it out--add some more peat, then top with with sawdust. My brother, the germaphobe has no complaints about odor or moisture in the now, totally enclosed barn. The ram is actually bedding down near the wall that takes the brunt of the cold winds. When I am ready to strip the stall, I can just sweep it all out with a heavy duty broom. I am using the pre-mixed compost formula as filler for the low spots in the pasture area-- and it is already making a difference in what the rain does to my pasture areas. I told some people on a rabbit forum I belong to about this ( I use it for my rabbits, as well), they have tried it, and now are happy about keeping their rabbits in their homes. Stall Dry is a mixture of Diatomaceous Earth ( food grade, for safety) and clay-- a very fine clay, at that. It absorbs very nicely, and neutralizes odor. The peat absorbs, as well, and seems to dry faster than the sawdust, pulling the moisture out of the sawdust!!! Now, this may be a bit expensive for large numbers of animals, but if one must keep an animal in some very confined quarters, it is great. I would not use it for lambing, though-- too much risk of clogging the lambs wet nostrils with sawdust and peat dust. Perhaps after they are a week old, though-- Terry W Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:51:39 -0800 From: Kyla Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Winter strategies To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Terry, Where do you find sawdust for $5.00 a truck load? That sounds like a great deal. If I can locate some in my area, I would love to give your method a try. Do you feed your sheep in the stall also? If so what do you do about the hay waste? My sheep eat the tender parts and leave a mess of stems behind. We end up with quite a pile of stems in our stall. How often to you need to clean out the stall using your combination of products? Thanks for the advice, Kyla R. - Original Message - From: Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Winter strategies I am a bit slow etting to mail, and I find this interesting-- I am currently using Stall Dry sprinkled over the wooden floors, with a layer of peat moss over that. Then, A good sized bag of sawdust-- which I get for 5 dollars a pickup truck load ( I am using my brother's PU truck-- it's bigger than mine!) To add to the bedding, I first stir up the old stuff, then level it out--add some more peat, then top with with sawdust. My brother, the germaphobe has
[blackbelly] Bottle Lambs
Hello everyone. I have my first set of bottle lambs for this fall. They were born on October 13th (Friday!) They spent their first week with mom. But they were small and it turned very wet cold. They were not doing well with this first time mom so I brought both in. They are Jack Jill. Sired by Wingnut they are both yellow bellies from a Yellow belly mom. Jill is still small but eats well. They are eating a grain mix and nibbling at hay. They are being raised indoors and love laying on their heating pad still to rest. If anyone is interested please email for photos etc. Thanks Nancy - www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 6:07 PM Subject: blackbelly Digest, Vol 2, Issue 200 Send blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Friday Sales: December Transport (First Class Transport) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:06:40 -0700 From: First Class Transport [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [blackbelly] Friday Sales: December Transport To: blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The November trip is nearing its end. The new truck has proven its worth. The trailer upgrades have also been very beneficial. The heaters that were installed will allow us to keep the trailer above freezing this winter. That will allow our water supply to remain unfrozen as well as keep the animals more comfortable. We should have our cameras installed in the trailer by our next trip so Rick will be able to view the animals while driving. The next trip will start on November 27th. There is plenty of room throughout. Please visit us at www.FCTransport.com to check pricing as well as routes. Thank you, Tammy Dispatch Our mission is to be a leading provider of safe, reliable, and affordable small animal transport while providing your animal with a First Class transporting experience. -- ___ This daily digest is from the blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of blackbelly Digest, Vol 2, Issue 200 ** ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] blackbelly Digest, Vol 2, Issue 167
If any of you have been trying to contact me about Wingnut Babies please try again. We were hit by lightening a couple of weeks back and when we replace our computor something was placed in the email that gave out the wrong return address at times. I didn't know this until someone who had tried decided to just call. Thanks and sorry for the trouble. Nancy, www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: blackbelly Digest, Vol 2, Issue 167 Send blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. TRANSPORT - OCT/NOV coast to coast trip (Ron Keener) 2. Sheep Poo Paper (Carol J. Elkins) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:52:22 -0500 From: Ron Keener [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [blackbelly] TRANSPORT - OCT/NOV coast to coast trip To: ..z**z Barbados Blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hello everyone! based upon early reservations the OCT/NOV trip will begin with a clockwise loop of the west coast followed by a clockwise loop of the east coast - from that point on the trip is open and will be determined by transport legs that do not fit the above two loops - I already have limited space available on these two loops the beginning date of the trip will be based upon when I complete several 'point to point' trips that are scheduled for SEP and possibly spilling over into OCT I have seen a trend in the recent trips of being heavily loaded by early reservations so if you have a need to have animals transported it is imperative that you contact me immediately - as always I need pick up city/state, drop off city/state, and a brief description of the animals to do preliminary planning - avoid the congestion of the group by replying to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are contemplating a transport you should check at the ANIMAL IMPORT web site below to see what the requirements are for importing an animal into a particular state - have your vet double check with the destination state state vet office to confirm the requirements far enough in advance so that you can complete any required blood tests as part of the 'point to point' trips I am likely to be empty on some westbound legs - if you have animals needing to go westbound from the Texas/lower midwest area get with me ASAP! - I have pick up locations in NV, CA, and WA so I will be making trips from TX to these states if you are 'geography impaired' remember that there is a printable map in the files section of the Yahoo TravelWithRonK group area - contact me if you want me to send the map directly to you I watched the International Space Station fly over Texas earlier this evening - it is inspiring for me to see that little dot in the sky that is home for two astronauts! -- PLEASE NOTE! TWO IMPORTANT MESSAGES BELOW!! - ALL livestock crossing a state line REQUIRES a minimum vet inspection certificate - it may be as simple as a certificate and rabies tag for dogs or as complex as several blood tests for other species - I WILL NOT TRANSPORT animals that do not meet the minimum requirements - go to the IMPORT web site below to find out what is required for the destination state of your animals - then have your vet double check with the destination state vet office far enough in advance to have time to complete blood test requirements - when I am on the road I DO NOT access my home email - email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or @MidAmericaBreedingTech.com addresses will NOT be viewed until I return home - if I do not answer your email within 24 hours assume I am on the road - in that case contact me through the Travel group below - the same applies to my telephone voice recorder at 512.259.5098 -- IMPORTANT NOTE: if you anticipate using my transport service you need to join the TravelWithRonK group below immediately! by joining Yahoo at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TravelWithRonK or by email only (not required to join Yahoo) Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Travel with Confidence with TravelWithRonK! see pictures of my rig at http://TravelWithRonK.com and http://www.raresoaysheep.com/TravelByTruck.html
