Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:05:43 -0400 From: Jan Schaumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Blackbox web site] Mr. Brigham Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Originally I understood the use of Un*x was to protect against lawsuits from ATT during the great BSD Freedom wars. Yes; and IIRC UNIX (ie all upper-case) is still a trademark of ATT/Bell Labs, no? no, it belongs to The Open Group (http://www.opengroup.org/) -- FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE 12:01PM up 6 days, 22:20, 10 users, load averages: 0.12, 0.08, 0.03
Re: grouping windows
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:49:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: grouping windows My stance may cost this project a few users. But then again, leaving out pixmap support for the widgets loses us users too. Every choice is a balancing act. In the end it is about what Brad and I want and are willing to code and support. Please, do not bring up plugins around him, please (-: His day job at Trolltech has forced him to code support for plugins in Qt. On the subject he has many comments not all of them fit for typing. Plugins are nifty, they solve some problems. However that is not what Blackbox is all about. At the same time do not take my comments to mean we are ignoring user requests. Much of the work over the last 8 months has been user driven and this will continue. We are just willing to say no now and then. given that i started this thread i think it's time for me to apologize for doing so. :) grouping windows wasn't probably such a good idea (and i did *not* mean tabbing, for god's sake!), but i just don't understand why every (seemingly) simple enhancement idea swiftly ends in discussions where most people seem to agree that all we need as another kde/gnome nonsense. ugh. -- FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE 10:53AM up 2 days, 1:07, 2 users, load averages: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00
[bbkeys] X error: BadWindow
blackbox-0.65.0beta2 bbkeys-HEAD :r .xinitrc cd xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/bbkeys -i -c ~/.blackbox/bbkeys exec /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox -rc ~/.blackbox/blackboxrc :r blackbox.log XFree86 Version 4.2.0 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600) Release Date: 18 January 2002 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/) Build Operating System: FreeBSD 4.5 i386 [ELF] Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, Time: Mon Jul 15 11:42:32 2002 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/XF86Config Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/, removing from list! loaded -36- instructions. Could not open blackbox style file Could not open config file: /home/roman/.blackbox/bbkeys BScreen::BScreen: managing screen 0 using visual 0x21, depth 16 Blackbox::process_event(): MapRequest for 0x8e BlackboxWindow::BlackboxWindow(): creating 0x8e /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 12/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 12/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 12/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 12/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 2/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0 /home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/bin/blackbox: X error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)(3) opcodes 29/0 resource 0x0
Re: [bbkeys] X error: BadWindow
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:44:31 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [bbkeys] X error: BadWindow blackbox-0.65.0beta2 bbkeys-HEAD I forgot to mention the ./configure lines: blackbox: ./configure \ --prefix=/home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/ \ --enable-debug \ --disable-nls bbkeys: ./configure \ --prefix=/home/roman/blackbox-0.65.0beta2/ \ --enable-debug \ --disable-nls btw would be nice if both apps created config.nice files -- FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE 12:01PM up 2 days, 2:16, 2 users, load averages: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00
Re: Emulating a right-click on the root window
Subject: Re: Emulating a right-click on the root window Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:55:59 -0400 From: Roy Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there anyway to send an event/atom/whatever to the root window to say hey buddy, someone right-clicked on you, handle it ?? I've done just that by patching bbkeys. I'm getting the patch ready to submit to the bbkeys folks, but here's the basic idea: I added the following actions to bbkeys: MouseUp - move cursor up MouseDown - move cursor down MouseLeft - move cursor left MouseRight - move cursor right MouseButton1 - send button 1 click to front window MouseButton2 - send button 2 click to front window MouseButton3 - send button 3 click to front window RootMouseButton1 - send button 1 click to root window RootMouseButton2 - send button 1 click to root window RootMouseButton3 - send button 1 click to root window unfortunately (with respect to the root menu navigation w/ keyboard) this is more of a hack than a solution. two reasons: 1) you typically won't want to send i've just clicked the lmb, but show me the menu. for this to work, blackbox would have to have keybindings, which is not the case... kinda chicken and egg. 2) moving the cursor like that is probably useful if you're forced to work on a laptop, but is completely unusable (imo) for menu navigation. i've used such an emulation in menus once, and it was major pain. preferrable behavior (skip to the next/prev item / open/close submenu) would require keybindings. don't take me wrong, i'd myself love to be able to open the menu with a keypress, and navigate it with hjkl... The only annoying bit is mouse movement-- particularly how far to move the mouse for each keystroke. I actually made that a parameter in the .bbkeysrc file, though it is not very elegant (you cannot currently set different movement amounts for different keybindings, so you cannot have alt-KP_8 move the mouse up 20 pixels and KP_8 move it up 10 pixels). -- FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE 5:01PM up 2 days, 7:15, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00
Re: new NETWM key grabber
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:49:44 -0400 From: Scott Furt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: new NETWM key grabber Es Bee Ex wrote: It would be less painful if, instead of having to switch between modes like vi, you could use a single key combo to enter COMMAND mode, and as soon as you do something in COMMAND mode, it returns automatically to INSERT mode. IIRC, CTL+O in vi will let the user enter one command, then revert back to insert mode. YRC (you remember correctly) -- FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE 2:13AM up 1 day, 16:28, 10 users, load averages: 0.24, 0.17, 0.39
Re: new NETWM key grabber
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:14:20 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: new NETWM key grabber Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:49:44 -0400 From: Scott Furt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: new NETWM key grabber Es Bee Ex wrote: It would be less painful if, instead of having to switch between modes like vi, you could use a single key combo to enter COMMAND mode, and as soon as you do something in COMMAND mode, it returns automatically to INSERT mode. IIRC, CTL+O in vi will let the user enter one command, then revert back to insert mode. YRC (you remember correctly) actually, no. that's just vim (which is what many lunix distros call vi) -- FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE 2:18AM up 1 day, 16:32, 10 users, load averages: 0.16, 0.12, 0.29
Re: new NETWM key grabber
From: Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:45:01 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: new NETWM key grabber On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 10:16:18PM -0500, Ben Jansens wrote: Do you use the window list cycling currently found in bbkeys? Yes As a counterbalance to all the yes'es, I don't, I use Prev/NextWorkspace a lot and tend to keep a window a workspace I do use the alt-tab magic, and also the Mod4-tab magic (cycling workspaces). What I miss from it is the same behavior window cycling has: switching the order of the two topmost workspaces on the stack. -- FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE 10:20AM up 34 mins, 6 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
grouping windows
Sorry if this is a complete nonsense, but is it possible now / after some coding to have blackbox treat several windows as one? It would've saved me a few seconds (and writing this email :) right now if I could somehow move several windows across the screen at once. -- FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE 12:40PM up 2:55, 6 users, load averages: 0.10, 0.06, 0.02
changes in 0.65
Hi there, sorry if I'm going to ask questions already answered on the list (or elsewhere), I wasn't subscribed for ~.5y, and searching the ML archive didn't turn up anything relevant. I was running 0.62.1pre0 for quite some time. I've switched to 0.65.0beta1 yesterday. What bothers me is that there seems to be a change in the bbpager I can't get rid of. I have this config: BottomToTop/LeftToRight/RowSmartPlacement, bbpager.position: +80--1 bbpager.rows: 1 bbpager.raised: True bbpager.bevelWidth: 1 bbpager.desktop.width: 21 bbpager.desktop.height: 17 This used to give me the first window on a desktop at the bottom left corner of the screen, just above bbpager and toolbar. But in the beta1, the window is placed with it's bottom left corner just right from bbpager, this happens *on the first workspace only*. Looks like the bbpager window has a 1px border on the 1st wspace or what. Is this something I can remedy in my config/style files? Now, one thing that has been discussed quite some time ago: what are the plans for the don't want focus. never window property? cursor over the window-list window still prevents switching windows with bbkeys, and bbpager still shows up in the window list on the firts workspace. Anyway, thanks everyone for this great piece of software! -- FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE 9:00AM up 4 days, 6 hrs, 12 users, load averages: 1.12, 1.11, 0.96
Re: slit functionality...
From: Kevin Geiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:01:59 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: slit functionality... check out xtoolwait! where can we get it? -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 10:50AM up 11 days, 17:35, 31 users, load averages: 0.12, 0.06, 0.02
Re: goofy blackbox/bbkeys interaction
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:19:45 -0800 From: David Terrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: goofy blackbox/bbkeys interaction I have focusNewWindows set to true and focusLastWindow set to False. (I don't know if these settings are germane to my problem...) When I alt-tab in bbkeys and the window list popup happens to be under the mouse cursor, focus always ends up in the window where the mouse cursor is after I release alt, regardless of where I alt-tabbed to. A known problem. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 11:30AM up 5 days, 17:55, 16 users, load averages: 0.13, 0.07, 0.01
Re: goofy blackbox/bbkeys interaction
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:03:02 -0800 From: David Terrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: goofy blackbox/bbkeys interaction On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 11:30:26AM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:19:45 -0800 From: David Terrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: goofy blackbox/bbkeys interaction I have focusNewWindows set to true and focusLastWindow set to False. (I don't know if these settings are germane to my problem...) When I alt-tab in bbkeys and the window list popup happens to be under the mouse cursor, focus always ends up in the window where the mouse cursor is after I release alt, regardless of where I alt-tabbed to. A known problem. Any plans for a workaround? ISTR there *is* a workaround: you can turn the menu off IIRC. I don't remember the command (if there is actually one: hallucinating cannot be ruled out). -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 1:29PM up 5 days, 19:54, 14 users, load averages: 0.10, 0.11, 0.06
Re: bb and transient windows
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:05:22 -0500 From: Jan Schaumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bb and transient windows Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I would rather people use the tarballs I release. Frankly the need to download code just because it is new has never made sense to me. Yesterday CVS did not even compile. If it doesn't, the people checking it out might actually make it work. If somebody wants to stay up to date, a system like CVS (or 'arch' or 'subversion') only makes sense to me. CVS can *save* you time and energy. Like the patch for bbkeys I sent to the list a few days ago: since Jason uses CVS, I could easily check whether the bug is still there, and send a diff against uptodate code. Not that it would matter in this case (the patch was a oneliner, and in a stable piece of code), but these two virtues of CVS are very much apreciated. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 11:49AM up 17 days, 18:13, 11 users, load averages: 1.04, 0.97, 0.59
Re: cvs on sf.net
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:35:27 +0100 From: Mads Martin J?rgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: David Terrell [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: cvs on sf.net * Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Feb 07. 2002 20:24]: Are you planning on letting other people commit to the cvs tree on sf directly? not really. why? what benefit does this arrangement bring to the BB community? Blackbox has never been in CVS before. so? I use CVS as a safe database for code storage. If something bad happens, I can always find the releases there. Granted, this is not a common usage in the open source community. But this is not a distributed project with 10s or 100s of contributors. how is this related? even a one-man-show project benefits from a versioning system. Lets keep this like the kernel. One guy gets all the patches, and decides what goes in or not. I like the BSD way. If you write good code for the project, does it then matter if you send the patches to him or put them directly in CVS anyway? yes, it does. I, as someone who has a potential patch might want to have access to the latest-and-greatest code. I don't have that today. I might want to submit improvements to the BB documentation. I can't do it today. It wouldn't clash with the code 90% of time, but I'd still have to bother Sean with any patches I might have: because there's no repository of the code. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 9:53PM up 18 days, 4:16, 15 users, load averages: 0.11, 0.03, 0.01
Re: bb and transient windows
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:15:15 -0800 (PST) From: Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asviyan, Anatoly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: bb and transient windows Cc: BlackBox (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 05-Feb-2002 Asviyan, Anatoly wrote: From: Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The team is working on getting NET WM support in blackbox I'd like to help with it. how can I join? who is team/work coordinator? We do not require help, just time. The issue is we have to redesign the guts of blackbox in a few places. More people will not help this. Thanks though. Sean, are you sure you want to fend off other people from any stage of the development of blackbox? -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 11:02PM up 17 days, 5:26, 11 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.03, 0.00
Re: bb and transient windows
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:46:41 -0500 From: Jan Schaumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BlackBox (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bb and transient windows Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um. I don't see why you would discourage help so quickly. At very least more people means more eyes and more ideas. Heck, even having people bug testing, trying to break things, can only help. I have always released pre releases whenever they would compile. This will continue. Umm, why did you say you don't use CVS? -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 12:21AM up 17 days, 6:45, 11 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00
PATCH - a small bug in option handling
looks like there's a typo in src/main.cc: bitwise OR instead of logical
one.
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11:35AM up 15 days, 17:58, 9 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.04, 0.04
Index: src/main.cc
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/bbkeys/bbkeys/src/main.cc,v
retrieving revision 1.3
diff -u -r1.3 main.cc
--- src/main.cc 2002/01/13 18:59:39 1.3
+++ src/main.cc 2002/02/05 10:22:34
@@ -85,7 +85,7 @@
exit(2);
};
options.bbkeysrc=argv[i];
- } else if ((!strcmp(argv[i], -nobb)) | (!strcmp(argv[i], -n))) {
+ } else if ((!strcmp(argv[i], -nobb)) || (!strcmp(argv[i], -n))) {
options.nobb_config = True;
} else if ((!strcmp(argv[i], -v))
|| (!strcmp(argv[i], -version))) {
program launching method mismatch in blackbox and bbkeys
blackbox spawns programs (from the root menu) via execl(), while bbkeys uses execve() (or vice versa, don't remember). this leads to, on both of my machines at least, terminals with different characteristics (see below). could you guys agree on a program launching method that will allow the terminals to to be the same? TIA. rxvt started from the root menu: roman@roman ~ stty all speed 38400 baud; 24 rows; 80 columns; lflags: icanon isig iexten echo echoe echok echoke -echonl echoctl -echoprt -altwerase -noflsh -tostop -flusho pendin -nokerninfo -extproc iflags: -istrip icrnl -inlcr -igncr ixon -ixoff -ixany imaxbel -ignbrk brkint -inpck ignpar -parmrk oflags: opost onlcr -ocrnl -oxtabs -onocr -onlret cflags: cread cs8 -parenb -parodd -hupcl -clocal -cstopb -crtscts -dsrflow -dtrflow -mdmbuf discard dsusp eof eol eol2erase erase2 intrkill ^O ^Y ^D undef undef ^H ^H ^C ^U lnext min quitreprint start status stopsusptime ^V 1 ^\ ^R ^Q ^T ^S ^Z 0 werase ^W rxvt started from bbkeys with KeyToGrab(a), WithModifier(Mod4), WithAction(ExecCommand), DoThis(rxvt) roman@roman ~ stty all speed 38400 baud; 24 rows; 80 columns; lflags: icanon isig iexten echo echoe echok echoke -echonl echoctl -echoprt -altwerase -noflsh -tostop -flusho pendin -nokerninfo -extproc iflags: -istrip icrnl -inlcr -igncr ixon -ixoff -ixany imaxbel -ignbrk brkint -inpck ignpar -parmrk oflags: opost onlcr -ocrnl -oxtabs -onocr -onlret cflags: cread cs8 -parenb -parodd -hupcl -clocal -cstopb -crtscts -dsrflow -dtrflow -mdmbuf discard dsusp eof eol eol2erase erase2 intrkill ^O ^Y ^D undef undef ^? ( ^C ^U lnext min quitreprint start status stopsusptime ^V 1 ^\ ^R ^Q ^G ^S ^Z 0 werase ^W -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 2:47PM up 15 days, 21:11, 9 users, load averages: 0.02, 0.03, 0.00
Re: OT: Quirky problems on a laptop
Subject: OT: Quirky problems on a laptop From: Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16 Jan 2002 12:26:18 -0600 My wife has a laptop that does some very strange things. From time to time, certain programs will refuse to start. However, in many cases a reboot will correct one or more of the applications. Most frequently, Evolution and GKrellM fail to start with a Segmentation fault. In some cases Blackbox fails to start (not sure error), but this is normally corrected by a restart. Anything suspicious in dmesg? What does df say about free space? I've seen various apps do various (nasty) things when the space on /var got all used... Stuff like this is usual suspects, but you haven't mentioned what you *have* tried to identify the problem, so.. Anyone got any ideas, or places/lists for more information on how to look into something like this? System information included below. Well, surely looks like a HW-related prob, doesn't it? You could try http://www.memtest86.com/, I've seen it touted on freebsd-questions@ more than once. PCG-SR7K (http://www.ita.sel.sony.com/products/pc/notebook/pcgsr7k.html) RH 7.2 Blackbox 0.61.1 Evolution 1.0.1 GKrellM 1.2.2 -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 7:48PM up 3 days, 23:46, 22 users, load averages: 0.12, 0.09, 0.02
Re: Blackbox Web Design
Subject: Re: Blackbox Web Design From: Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 08 Jan 2002 15:09:08 -0600 On Tue, 2002-01-08 at 08:39, xOr wrote: Well, my vote still holds with http://speed.seas.upenn.edu/~rarya/bb2/ It's got, and had my vote from the beginning. Good use of space in all browsers from what I can see. Jamin W. Collins aolme too/aol -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 10:39AM up 13 days, 21:17, 18 users, load averages: 0.13, 0.07, 0.01
Re: Blackbox Web Design
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:31:50 -0500 From: Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Blackbox Web Design Man, some browsers just suck. The design rendered beautifully in the brosers I developed it with, but ie, and apparently others, choked on it as some folks reported it not being variable width. It was, in fact, designed to be variable width. Should be all good now, though. http://www.threadbox.net/blackbox Thanks -Thread This doesn't look very well IMO. In a 80x24 term the page is divided into three equal-width cols, middle one running much longer than the other two, of course. It's ridiculous amount of wasted space, not to mention that it's not comfortable to read. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 10:40AM up 12 days, 21:18, 17 users, load averages: 0.11, 0.03, 0.01
Re: blackbox pre9
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 04:06:18 +0100 From: joh.n-do [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: blackbox pre9 I want to install blackbox 0.80 pre9 wher is possible to download it? http://www.sf.net/projects/blackboxwm -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 5:06AM up 4 days, 1:36, 5 users, load averages: 0.05, 0.03, 0.01
Re: pre7 uploaded
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 16:11:57 -0800 (PST) From: Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: pre7 uploaded pre7 is up. Been stable here for a few days. Any issues, please let me know. Hi Sean, thanks for your work, but I have a plea: could you append the url? I know there's the archive and all, but it'd be nice. :) -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 2:09AM up 22:39, 8 users, load averages: 0.02, 0.04, 0.00
Re: pre7 uploaded
Subject: Re: pre7 uploaded From: Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 22 Dec 2001 21:31:57 -0600 On Sat, 2001-12-22 at 18:11, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: pre7 is up. Been stable here for a few days. Any issues, please let me know. Would it be possible to get the installation routine to not overwrite the menu file if it exists, or at least prompt for the overwrite? I've lost my system-wide custom menu one system a few times when reinstalling Blackbox. I realize this is my own fault, just a thought. It might be your fault given the warning in the data/README file, but it's nevertheless a badness. Overwriting config files is a no-no. As a side note, you might try setting the immutable flag on the file. chflags(1) on *BSD, chattr(1) on Linux. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 5:29AM up 1 day, 1:59, 10 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Re: try it, love it, live it, pound it, tell us what breaks
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:08:40 + From: David Thor Bragason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: try it, love it, live it, pound it, tell us what breaks Cheers to that! Definitely. BTW, has sf.net stopped counting downloads? The page still shows 0 even though I fetch it about 30 minutes ago. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 12:20AM up 52 days, 11:03, 13 users, load averages: 0.33, 0.14, 0.07
Re: E-mail clients
Subject: Re: E-mail clients From: Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Blackbox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11 Dec 2001 12:12:50 -0600 On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 11:43, Jim Knoble wrote: You must mean 'telnet'. The user interface isn't spectacular, but it's great for command-line users: telnet imaphost.example.com imap The commands are standard and are listed in RFC-2060 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2060.html). If you want to use IMAP over SSL, you should probably use the SSL-enabled mail client 'stunnel' (http://stunnel.mirt.net/). There's always a smart-ass in the bunch somewhere. Jamin W. Collins Well, there's always someone who gets offended, but I spent some time ROTFLing after reading that mail. :) -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 7:27PM up 49 days, 6:10, 13 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.06, 0.07
Re: E-mail clients
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:46:50 -0800 From: Eric Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Blackbox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E-mail clients I've been using mutt and IMAP for well over a year now with *no* problems. Note that you have to use a development version (i.e. currently 1.3.23). It really isn't beta... rock solid. 1.3.24, actually. :) -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 9:05PM up 49 days, 7:48, 13 users, load averages: 0.02, 0.04, 0.05
slit keeps reconfiguring to CenterRight Vertical
Hi there, I think this will be a bit long-winded, so accept my apologies... I'm using blackbox-0.61.1 with bbpager-0.3.0. bbpager is started from my .xinitrc. yesterday I looked at the option of having it swallowed by the slit. this turned out to be problematic, as blackbox seems to keep reconfiguring itself to display slit with CenterRight Vertical: whatever values I put in my .blackboxrc, this is what is there after I restart blackbox: session.screen0.slit.placement: CenterRight session.screen0.slit.direction: Vertical Is this a known problem? -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 11:56AM up 28 days, 22:39, 27 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.04, 0.07
bbconf freebsd
Hi there, has anyone built bbconf on freebsd? I'm no expert on the GNU build tools, but it looks to me like the bbconf_LDADD lines in bbconf-1.2/bbconf/(Makefile.am|Makefile.in) are hosed: hardcoding those libs in beats the purpose of configure. FreeBSD has dlopen() in libc, and qt-2.3.1 installed libqt2.so, not libqt.so. This together lead to breakage with cannot find -ldl, although configure correctly found that -ldl is not needed for dlopen() to work. Anyone knows how to fix this correctly? ./bbconf/Makefile.am:bbconf_LDADD = -ldl -lqt -lXext -lX11 $(LIBSOCKET) ./bbconf/Makefile.in:bbconf_LDADD = -ldl -lqt -lXext -lX11 $(LIBSOCKET) -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 1:09PM up 26 days, 23:52, 9 users, load averages: 0.05, 0.05, 0.05
Re: bbconf freebsd
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:46:20 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bbconf freebsd On 11/19/2001 at 01:16 PM, Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: has anyone built bbconf on freebsd? I'm no expert on the GNU build tools, but it looks to me like the bbconf_LDADD lines in bbconf-1.2/bbconf/(Makefile.am|Makefile.in) are hosed: hardcoding those libs in beats the purpose of configure. FreeBSD has dlopen() in libc, and qt-2.3.1 installed libqt2.so, not libqt.so. This together lead to breakage with cannot find -ldl, although configure correctly found that -ldl is not needed for dlopen() to work. Anyone knows how to fix this correctly? I've been able to build on FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE without too many problems. Unless you have a need for Qt 1.4, symlink libqt.so to libqt2.so. (IMHO, libqt2.so should have been the original library name, because of crap like this) It will help with other packages that aren't in the massive ports tree. I have both Qt-1.4 and Qt-2.3.1 in /usr/X11R6. Might as well remove the 1.4, but I was wondering why the Makefile.(am|in) files in bbconf-1.2/bbconf have those libs hardcoded. That IMO beats the purpose of ./configure. Maybe I should start work on a new set of (autocrap-type) tools that aleviate these problems. (And it could probably be done in less code than the autostools.) When the auto(conf|make) files are written correctly, they work just fine. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 6:27PM up 27 days, 5:10, 13 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.09, 0.12
bbkeys configuration [was: Re: iconized bbkeys]
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:29:13 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: iconized bbkeys Hi there, bbkeys-0.3.6 started from .xinitrc with bbkeys -i doesn't capture the keypresses. Is there a way to make it work without cluttering the desktop? Or rather, since I just realized that the current version is 0.8.3, is this fixed in the newer versions? To answer my own question, and so that it's archived: the keymap file (.bbkeysrc) is not the same as the style file (bbtools/bbkeys.bb). Looks like the -c switch is meant for the latter one, and bbkeys doesn't respond to any mapped keypresses if you point it at .bbkeysrc with -c. This leads me to a question or two: could the location of .bbkeysrc be made configurable? I don't really like to have to wade thru dozens of rc files in my ~. Patching bbkeys to look for the file seems to be truly trivial (I found two places where the file is referenced in the source, and one of those was in bbkeysconf IIRC), but I'd like to see this accepted in the source. Would such a change be welcome? If so, I can try to come up with a patch. There is one glitch I can see: currently, bbkeysconf and the like don't have to look where the actual keymap file resides: it's hardcoded as ~/.bbkeysrc. This could be solved like this: the path to the keymap file would be specified in the style file, and bbkeysconf would look for it there. If the style file doesn't contain the directive, just dump it to the standard place. Which (I said I don't like having my ~ cluttered with lots of dotfiles) would be really sweet to change to a patch in ~/.blackbox. I switched to BB from AfterStep, and I'm so happy you wouldn't believe it. But BB has one disadvantage compared to AS: the AS config files all live in a tree rooted in one directory in my ~. Sweet. (Other than that, the AS configuration is an atrocity, but that's another story.) To sum this up: thank you for BB to everyone involved in the development, and please, try to centralize the location of the rc files. Oh, the bbkeys docs are full of stuff like the other config file. As you might have noticed, changing the terminology to keymap file and style file could help get rid of this confusion. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 7:47PM up 23 days, 6:30, 8 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.04, 0.03
Re: bbkeys configuration [was: Re: iconized bbkeys]
From: Jason vanRijn Kasper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bbkeys configuration [was: Re: iconized bbkeys] Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:20:27 -0500 On Thursday 15 November 2001 14:36, Scott Moynes wrote: * Roman Neuhauser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: To answer my own question, and so that it's archived: the keymap file (.bbkeysrc) is not the same as the style file (bbtools/bbkeys.bb). Looks like the -c switch is meant for the latter one, and bbkeys doesn't respond to any mapped keypresses if you point it at .bbkeysrc with -c. A few days ago I created just such a patch, and should be in the mailing list archives by now. It has been accepted for inclusion in the next release of bbkeys which, from what I hear, should happen any day now. If you can't wait, it's in the CVS tree, which seems to be pretty stable right now, so feel free to grab the newest tree. As Scott said above, this has been included in bbkeys-0.8.4. BBkeys will now allow command-line configurability of where its look-and-feel config file comes from as well as where its keybindings config file comes from. I'm not quite done with what I want in there for 0.8.4 yet, so if you're so inclined, please pull bbkeys down from CVS and give it a whirl. One thing to be noted, though, is that this will most probably cause some issues down the road when blackbox has rudimentary keybindings built into it, as blackbox proper will by default look in ~/.bbkeysrc for its own limited keybindings. As I'm really new to this list (have been lurking for a week or so, but not paying much attention), why should BB have its own keybindings, when bbkeys does the job so well? There is one glitch I can see: currently, bbkeysconf and the like don't have to look where the actual keymap file resides: it's hardcoded as ~/.bbkeysrc. This could be solved like this: the path to the keymap file would be specified in the style file, and bbkeysconf would look for it there. If the style file doesn't contain the directive, just dump it to the standard place. vanRijn, the author of bbkeys, told me he was in the process of changing that. However, I don't think it will be changed in bbkeysconf. I think that configurator has been superceded by bbconf; look for the changes there. Um. There's no way I want to even think about putting bbkeys.conffile: into style files. bbkeys will look for its keybindings in two places: either you tell it otherwise in the command line with -rc filename or it looks in ~/.bbkeysrc. Either way, if it can't open it, you'll hear about it in STDERR. Ok. I was just concerned about other tools (bbconf) editing the wrong file. If this is not an issue, I'm fine with the commandline switch. Also, bbkeysconf (the QT bbkeys-only configurator) has been dropped from my list of things I care about. It's dead. So is bbkeysConfigGtk. So is bbkeysConfigC, thank God. Going forward from the 0.8.4 release of bbkeys, bbkeys will have a very nifty perl script (correctly auto-detected of course), thanks to Damien Tougas, that does a MUCH better job of interactively configuring your bbkeys file. And the bbconf plugin for blackbox keybindings will also be kept up-to-date with these changes as well. And you're right--bbkeysconf.pl and bbconf will have to have some smarts added for open another file and save as for its settings. Can't wait to see this happen. :) Oh, the bbkeys docs are full of stuff like the other config file. As you might have noticed, changing the terminology to keymap file and style file could help get rid of this confusion. This, perhaps, is the reason why the newest release of bbkeys hasn't hit the press yet. Feel free to modify the docs if you like, and submit the changes. I'm sure every developer would like to see the contribution of documentation. :) scott Actually, it's other reasons, but by ALL means, I'd love patches to the man-pages and documentation. Hell, just send me the new files and I'll pull them in, most probably. I just did. :) -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 10:39PM up 23 days, 9:22, 10 users, load averages: 0.09, 0.07, 0.01
iconized bbkeys
Hi there, bbkeys-0.3.6 started from .xinitrc with bbkeys -i doesn't capture the keypresses. Is there a way to make it work without cluttering the desktop? Or rather, since I just realized that the current version is 0.8.3, is this fixed in the newer versions? TIA -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 4:13PM up 21 days, 2:56, 17 users, load averages: 0.20, 0.25, 0.19
