Re: [blfs-dev] KDE4

2015-12-28 Thread Fernando de Oliveira 
Since the day it was posted, I was waiting for replies to this post.
Seems that no reply means that nobody cares whatever you decide.

Em 22-12-2015 02:00, Bruce Dubbs escreveu:
> I just finished updating kde4.  Upstream has made building this a mess.
> There are files needed from many different releases:
> 
> 4.14.3
> 4.14.10
> 15.04.3
> 15.08.2
> 15.12.0
> 
> In many cases they provide new applications in a release, but the new
> app is targeted for KF5/Plasma5 and not KDE4.  For instance, in the
> latest release, 15.12.0, they have libkcddb, libkdcraw, and libkexiv2. 
> Of these libkcddb is still compatible with kde4, but the other two are
> not.  there are several other examples.  The latest konsole is not
> compatible with kde4, but okular is.  kde-runtime and kde-baseapps have
> been updated, but kde-workspace is still from 15.04.3.

Those are reasons that I have not yet come back to KDE related updates.

> 
> The question is how much longer should we support kde4?  kf5/plasma5 is
> now usable.  Should we archive kde4?  If not now, when?

Think that as soon as the main applications are ported from KDE4. Not
having used KDE other than for testing (BLFS/edition and Kubuntu/how it
looks and feels), cannot pinpoint.

Another thought is to ask in the support list some of the questions,
perhaps the above rationale and a simple question "are there BLFS users
that still need KDE4?".


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Re: [blfs-dev] icon files

2015-12-28 Thread Fernando de Oliveira 
Em 27-12-2015 19:13, Bruce Dubbs escreveu:
> I've been working with upgrading kf5.  What is new is that it now
> contains oxygen-icons5-5.17.0 and breeze-icons-5.17.0.  These really
> should go into /usr/share/icons and not the kf5 directory.  I'll need to
> create new pages for them.

OK.

> 
> Since all icon themes can really be used by any desktop environment, I'm
> thinking about moving all icon files to a separate section.  The
> location would be right after Window Managers so we would have a new
> chapter:
> 
> 27. Icons
> adwaita-icon-theme-3.18.0
> breeze-icons-5.17.0
> hicolor-icon-theme-0.15
> icon-naming-utils-0.8.90
> gnome-icon-theme-3.12.0
> gnome-icon-theme-extras-3.12.0
> gnome-icon-theme-symbolic-3.12.0
> gnome-themes-standard-3.18.0
> lxde-icon-theme-0.5.1
> oxygen-icons-15.04.3
> oxygen-icons5-5.17.0

I like the idea.

> 
> I'm not sure about the difference between oxygen-icons-15.04.3 and
> oxygen-icons5-5.17.0.  The oxygen-icons5 package is missing
> CMakeLists.txt as well as 8x8 and 22x22 icons.  I can replace the short
> CMakeLists.txt file on the page or as a separate download.

OK. Isn't it possible that oxygen-icons-15.04.3 could be completely
replaced by oxygen-icons5-5.17.0?

> Although both oxygen-icons packages have a 'scalable' directory, neither
> is installed using current instructions.  I'm undecided about whether to
> install it or not and would like opinions about that.

I would like to have them installed.

> Overall, is this a reasonable thing to do?

Yes.


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Re: [blfs-dev] KDE4

2015-12-28 Thread Ken Moffat 
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 07:27:52AM -0300, Fernando de Oliveira wrote:
> > 
> > The question is how much longer should we support kde4?  kf5/plasma5 is
> > now usable.  Should we archive kde4?  If not now, when?
> 
> Think that as soon as the main applications are ported from KDE4. Not
> having used KDE other than for testing (BLFS/edition and Kubuntu/how it
> looks and feels), cannot pinpoint.
> 
You might need to define 'main' ;-)  I never used kmail since kde2,
nor dolphin (at all), and for sites I commonly visit (e.g. slashdot-
not much useful content there these days, but the weird attitudes are
sometimes amusing), konqueror in both 4 and 5 tended to crash.

> Another thought is to ask in the support list some of the questions,
> perhaps the above rationale and a simple question "are there BLFS users
> that still need KDE4?".
> 
That sounds a good idea - unfortunately, few people on -support ever
read this list.

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[blfs-dev] I will mostly be doing: nothing

2015-12-28 Thread Ken Moffat 
Just a note to explain my current position.  A bit over two weeks
ago I injured a calf muscle when I was kneeling (fell over
backwards, landed my body weight on it).  It is healing, but slowly.
I normally manage without my walking sticks in my own home, but I'm
having to use them [ for the first few days, I had to use crutches ]
and when I do go out I need crutches, otherwise I cannot step up/down
kerbs.  This makes things in real life, even preparing my meals,
much slower and more tiring than usual.  So, I'm not getting on with
things as much as normal

Beyond that, I've now got to do my tax return (that always takes
ages), and various things in my home are all wearing out.  So, for
the next 2 or 3 months I don't think I'll be doing much, if
anything, on the editorial side.

I hope to produce a hint I've been testing, and I'll still be
reading the lists.

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Re: [blfs-dev] I will mostly be doing: nothing

2015-12-28 Thread Bruce Dubbs 

Ken Moffat wrote:

Just a note to explain my current position.  A bit over two weeks
ago I injured a calf muscle when I was kneeling (fell over
backwards, landed my body weight on it).  It is healing, but slowly.
I normally manage without my walking sticks in my own home, but I'm
having to use them [ for the first few days, I had to use crutches ]
and when I do go out I need crutches, otherwise I cannot step up/down
kerbs.  This makes things in real life, even preparing my meals,
much slower and more tiring than usual.  So, I'm not getting on with
things as much as normal

Beyond that, I've now got to do my tax return (that always takes
ages), and various things in my home are all wearing out.  So, for
the next 2 or 3 months I don't think I'll be doing much, if
anything, on the editorial side.

I hope to produce a hint I've been testing, and I'll still be
reading the lists.


I'm sorry about your injury.  Take your time and we will be happy when you 
can return.


  -- Bruce


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Re: [blfs-dev] I will mostly be doing: nothing

2015-12-28 Thread William Harrington 
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 19:33:22 +
Ken Moffat  wrote:

So we can write you off as a developer. I only say this as I've been in two 
wars and managed to come out fine without radiation poisoning. What is your 
real issue? I have a real problem when the constituents want war but don't help 
those after the fact. I'd say one thing "Seek God. I've never had issues and 
I've been in more than one war." I had a grandpa die from WW II cause the docs 
didn't realize lead was a problem. I will tell you this, when you call upon the 
name of the Lord for healing you will get it because we only believe when our 
lives are at stake. At death is when people realize they truly care for 
themselves.
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