Re: [blfs-dev] Need help validating Plasma 5
Ken Moffat wrote:
On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 12:48:10PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
Bruce Dubbs wrote:
Ken Moffat wrote:
| The desktop clock in plasma requires that /etc/localtime is a
| symlink : if it is a file, the clock will be wrong. For LFS
| (sysvinit) such a change was rejected, but providing /usr is not a
| separate filesystem you can fix this:
|
|test -h /etc/localtime || mv -v /etc/localtime{,.orig}
| ln -sv /usr/share/zoneinfo/GB /etc/localtime
|
|obviously, change GB to whichever timezone you selected in LFS.
I've been doing that since July, and it worked for me. At the
moment, of course, my TZ matches UTC so I only need the fix during
British Summer Time.
Thanks. I generally don't look at the wiki pages, but what is there seems to be
good for the time when you wrote it. Now that Plasma is in the book, it needs
an
update.
Indeed changing /etc/localtime fixes the problem, but it really seems weird
that it
insists on a symlink.
It's more than just a symlink. I copied localtime to localtime.orig and
then did a symlink from localtime -> localtime.orig. I got a blank where
the digital time should be.
I suppose that it is documented somewhere in the c++ code (no idea
which package), but the "simple" symlink to /etc/localtime works,
no ?
"to" /etc/localtime? Like I said, I found it needed to be from /etc/localtime to
/usr/share/zoneinfo/your-tz
Also, I deleted all hidden files in my test user (except .bash*) and
restarted. I got a crash (segfault) from baloo, but otherwise the desktop
started. Logging out and restarting, the segfault did not recur.
I tried a second time as an initial user startup and got a blank screen so I
killed the session. After resetting localtime ->
/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago and resetting the .files things seemed
to work OK.
Except for the digital clock, I guess ?
No, with the symlink above in /etc, the digital clock was OK.
I'll note that the initial startup time takes a while, but after that the
start time is OK.
You remember how I said that (a slightly older version of ) kf5
started reasonably quickly for me ? Last week, I was using that for
some photo editing and I noticed it was very slow to start on
several days.
This evening I have been updating firefox on my development machine
(for once, I do not see any vulnerability fixes mentioned) and
reviewing which systems there should be marked as 'unmaintained' :
1. plasma was unusable on the newest system - it seemed to hang (I'm
sure I had successfully used it there before, after managing to build
it in /usr, and certainly sddm showed plasma as the default when I
first logged in). Had to use a tty to reload sddm and get the
option of using icewm.
See the new page for plasma. There are some symlinks created at the bottom that I
found that I needed.
2. and on a kde4/kwin system from June I got a black screen when I
logged out.
Summary: kde is unpredictable.
I am afraid I agree. KDE4 went through the same process when first updating from
KDE3. It is a really complicated set of programs.
Rant: It also tends to be too stupid by half. I get popup images of
the windows on the taskbar if I need to type in the bottom of a
window just above that, e.g. the percentage field for the size of the
gimp image display when that window is at the bottom of the screen.
Some days, clicking in the left of a window titlebar usually makes it
go fullscreen, and occasionally clicking on a window gives small
versions of all available windows on the desktop until I click on the
small version of that window, other times it works OK. Personally, I
cannot understand why 'nix users think it is so great. For people
coming from windows, yes. But there seem to be BLFS users who like
it, so I guess we have to support it.
Sorry for ranting.
Yes, I understand that. Originally I really liked KDE3. When KDE4 was going
through the teething process, I tried Trinity. Finally I settled on xfce. I still
use it. We dropped Gnome when that got infected by systemd, but we now have kde4,
kde5, xfce, lxde, and lxqt. Only kde is a maximal desktop environment. Unless it is
completely unusable, I think we need to keep kde up to date.
I'll note that kde apps work fine in other DEs. I really like konsole and kdenlive
seems to be a fairly unique app that, AFAIK, is kf5 only. I also use okular for a
pdf viewer.
Going O/T, if anyone cares why I was using plasma last week:
When I use icewm, I tend to use keyboard shortcuts which I have
learned, in particular to go to the other desktops (Alt-Fn for
desktop n) but if I do that when the gimp is running, the gimp's
toolbox and layers dialogs seem to get changed to be on all desktops,
whereas if I use lxqt with openbox, the toolbox appears in front of
the current image window, and my screen isn't big enough for that - I
typically have 3 or 4 images open now in the first stage of
processing for my pesudo-HDR attempts (plus or minus 2 or 2.5
Re: [blfs-dev] Need help validating Plasma 5
On 03/11/2015 03:30, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I've been working quite a while now on Plasma5. This is a very complex set of packages, but I think I've got it working now. My problem before was installation paths and environment variables. In any case, I'm too close to the changes I've made to properly validate it. I'd like to get a volunteer to do a test build. There are a lot of dependencies, but most of those should be already available if you've built another window manager. The pages are now up at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/. If you haven't built KDE before, you will need to do the 6 packages in Chapter 28 and then Chapters 31 and 33. Building konsole in Chapter 32 is also helpful. Please let me know if you can do this. One note: The digital clock does not work correctly. I can only get it to show GMT. I've found a lot of complaints via google about the digital clock, so consider that to be a work in progress. The analog clock is fine. -- Bruce I may give it a try. I'll commit soon a small patch for an obvious change needed, but I am worried that kf5 does not appear in plasma dependencies... Shouldn't it? Pierre -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Need help validating Plasma 5
Pierre Labastie wrote: On 03/11/2015 03:30, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I've been working quite a while now on Plasma5. This is a very complex set of packages, but I think I've got it working now. My problem before was installation paths and environment variables. In any case, I'm too close to the changes I've made to properly validate it. I'd like to get a volunteer to do a test build. There are a lot of dependencies, but most of those should be already available if you've built another window manager. The pages are now up at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/. If you haven't built KDE before, you will need to do the 6 packages in Chapter 28 and then Chapters 31 and 33. Building konsole in Chapter 32 is also helpful. Please let me know if you can do this. One note: The digital clock does not work correctly. I can only get it to show GMT. I've found a lot of complaints via google about the digital clock, so consider that to be a work in progress. The analog clock is fine. I may give it a try. I'll commit soon a small patch for an obvious change needed, but I am worried that kf5 does not appear in plasma dependencies... Shouldn't it? Yes, it is an oversight. As I said, we need more eyes on this one. Overall, I think this is the most complex set of packages we've done. -- Bruce -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Need help validating Plasma 5
Ken Moffat wrote:
On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 08:30:16PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
Please let me know if you can do this.
One note: The digital clock does not work correctly. I can only get it to
show GMT. I've found a lot of complaints via google about the digital
clock, so consider that to be a work in progress. The analog clock is
fine.
I put some basic comments on plasma into the kf5 wiki page a while
ago (for want of anywhere more appropriate), in particular mentioning
things which people might not need to build. As well as mentioning a
wrapper script, and commenting that konqueror crashed like in kde4 [
e.g. slashdot if you need an example ] I put the following about the
clock, based on what we said during the summer (you rejected the
symlink for LFS).
| The desktop clock in plasma requires that /etc/localtime is a
| symlink : if it is a file, the clock will be wrong. For LFS
| (sysvinit) such a change was rejected, but providing /usr is not a
| separate filesystem you can fix this:
|
|test -h /etc/localtime || mv -v /etc/localtime{,.orig}
| ln -sv /usr/share/zoneinfo/GB /etc/localtime
|
|obviously, change GB to whichever timezone you selected in LFS.
I've been doing that since July, and it worked for me. At the
moment, of course, my TZ matches UTC so I only need the fix during
British Summer Time.
Thanks. I generally don't look at the wiki pages, but what is there seems to be
good for the time when you wrote it. Now that Plasma is in the book, it needs an
update.
Indeed changing /etc/localtime fixes the problem, but it really seems weird that it
insists on a symlink.
-- Bruce
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Re: [blfs-dev] Need help validating Plasma 5
Em 03-11-2015 12:13, Pierre Labastie escreveu: > On 03/11/2015 03:30, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> I've been working quite a while now on Plasma5. This is a very >> complex set of packages, but I think I've got it working now. >> >> My problem before was installation paths and environment variables. >> >> In any case, I'm too close to the changes I've made to properly >> validate it. I'd like to get a volunteer to do a test build. There >> are a lot of dependencies, but most of those should be already >> available if you've built another window manager. >> >> The pages are now up at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/. >> >> If you haven't built KDE before, you will need to do the 6 packages in >> Chapter 28 and then Chapters 31 and 33. Building konsole in Chapter >> 32 is also helpful. >> >> Please let me know if you can do this. >> >> One note: The digital clock does not work correctly. I can only get >> it to show GMT. I've found a lot of complaints via google about the >> digital clock, so consider that to be a work in progress. The analog >> clock is fine. >> >> -- Bruce > I may give it a try. I'll commit soon a small patch for an obvious > change needed, but I am worried that kf5 does not appear in plasma > dependencies... Shouldn't it? > > Pierre I am planning to copy this development system and turn the new one in development and keep this as host only. This will be done later, when I feel the "host" is complete for my needs. The reason is that I panned to the same thing with LFS77, but got it not perfectly working, afyer updating to the new gcc minor. In my future dev system, I will come back to get kde related installed, so will be able to make updates in this part of the book. I'm not ignoring the need for helping you with those matters. -- []s, Fernando, aka SÃsifo -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-dev] Need help validating Plasma 5
On 03/11/2015 16:13, Pierre Labastie wrote: On 03/11/2015 03:30, Bruce Dubbs wrote: In any case, I'm too close to the changes I've made to properly validate it. I'd like to get a volunteer to do a test build. There are a lot of dependencies, but most of those should be already available if you've built another window manager. I may give it a try. I'll commit soon a small patch for an obvious change needed, but I am worried that kf5 does not appear in plasma dependencies... Shouldn't it? Aargh, why didn't I see that dep? It does appear, sorry for the noise. Pierre -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[blfs-dev] Need help validating Plasma 5
I've been working quite a while now on Plasma5. This is a very complex set of packages, but I think I've got it working now. My problem before was installation paths and environment variables. In any case, I'm too close to the changes I've made to properly validate it. I'd like to get a volunteer to do a test build. There are a lot of dependencies, but most of those should be already available if you've built another window manager. The pages are now up at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/. If you haven't built KDE before, you will need to do the 6 packages in Chapter 28 and then Chapters 31 and 33. Building konsole in Chapter 32 is also helpful. Please let me know if you can do this. One note: The digital clock does not work correctly. I can only get it to show GMT. I've found a lot of complaints via google about the digital clock, so consider that to be a work in progress. The analog clock is fine. -- Bruce -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
