Re: [BlindHandyMan] My conclusions about milky color in polyurathane
The only thing I can think of that may have made it work would have been to apply a seal coat of clear shellac over the stain and then cover with the poly. A lot of extra work just to combine the two. But that is live and learn. At least you were able to come to a workable conclusion. - Original Message - From: Tom Vos To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:57 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] My conclusions about milky color in polyurathane A few weeks ago I wrote about the trouble I was having with milky streaks in the polyurethane I was putting on a dresser. After several rounds of this my wife was almost afraid to tell me she could see more streaks. I had put a water base stain on the dresser. Everything I read told me I could put polyurethane over water base stains. And yes, the stain had dried for several days before I put the polyurethane on. The curious thing is that my wife only saw the milky streaks on the horizontal surfaces. My solution finally, was to coat this project with polycrylic, which is a water base finish. It turned out very good. A couple weeks later I put polyurethane over oil base stain, and had no trouble at all. My conclusion is that, despite what I've read, I will never put polyurethane over a water base stain again. Now, I'm waiting to hear how many of you have put polyurethane over water base stain without having the trouble I did. Blessings, Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor
Are there any alternatives for a basement floor other than concrete? We have a room in the basement with a dirt floor. It's not very usable that way, but to get concrete down there will be tough. There are no windows, so concrete would have to be hauled through the entry and kitchen and down the stairs. Or we could carry bags of Redi Mix, but it's going to take a whale of a lot of bags to do the room. It's only about 12 feet square, but that's a lot of lugging. Any ideas? Blessings, Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor
Howdy Tom, Now I have to admit that after reading your note, that I scratched my head and deleted your request for assistance. Then I realized that you had really gave the group a challenge. I've been thinking about the problem and believe the first thing we need to know, is how you're planning to use the area. If you're considering it as a living area, you would want a better quality floor and a better barrier from the soil. If you're not going to use it as a living area, I can imagine some possible alternative floors. - Original Message - From: Tom Vos To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:43 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor Are there any alternatives for a basement floor other than concrete? We have a room in the basement with a dirt floor. It's not very usable that way, but to get concrete down there will be tough. There are no windows, so concrete would have to be hauled through the entry and kitchen and down the stairs. Or we could carry bags of Redi Mix, but it's going to take a whale of a lot of bags to do the room. It's only about 12 feet square, but that's a lot of lugging. Any ideas? Blessings, Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor
perhaps offer a fun-filled holiday to the Rossis. Jewel - Original Message - From: Tom Vos vo...@iowatelecom.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:43 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor Are there any alternatives for a basement floor other than concrete? We have a room in the basement with a dirt floor. It's not very usable that way, but to get concrete down there will be tough. There are no windows, so concrete would have to be hauled through the entry and kitchen and down the stairs. Or we could carry bags of Redi Mix, but it's going to take a whale of a lot of bags to do the room. It's only about 12 feet square, but that's a lot of lugging. Any ideas? Blessings, Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5125 (20100518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor
Does the area stay dry? You can always put in a wooden floor, I'd use treated lumber for the frame work, and a layer of half inch plywood. Then you can put any surface on top of the ply you want. - Original Message - From: Tom Vos To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:43 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor Are there any alternatives for a basement floor other than concrete? We have a room in the basement with a dirt floor. It's not very usable that way, but to get concrete down there will be tough. There are no windows, so concrete would have to be hauled through the entry and kitchen and down the stairs. Or we could carry bags of Redi Mix, but it's going to take a whale of a lot of bags to do the room. It's only about 12 feet square, but that's a lot of lugging. Any ideas? Blessings, Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor
Tom, Come on, 12 feet squared by 4 inches thick would only be 96 80 pound bags of cement. Child's play. How about if you pour a few footers, then just build a deck on top of the footers. How much head room do you have? The footers don't need to be more than an inch or two above the dirt. but the joists would add depth. At 12 by 12, I think you could get away with four footers pretty easily. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
[BlindHandyMan] New Major Project.
In my never ending quest to store the stuff collected over a lifetime I am building a storage shed. It will be 8 by 12 feet and attached to the back of the shop. That way it will look to the neighbors as an addition to the shop rather than another building. Entrance will be through an outside door not through the shop. I'll be posting pictures and narrative on the web. I'll post a link as soon as I start the page. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor
Does this dirt floor stay dry? Is it possible to get twelve foot two bys into this space down the steps? If it is dry and you can get the lumber down there without cutting it nto four foot pieces wood could be a viable choice. Two things I would lay dowm plastic on the dirt to trap moisture below the surface. I would also use below grade treated lumber. Lowes or Home Depot does not stock it but can order it special. I would use below grade for the two bys and regular treated for the plywood. If this place ever gets wet you best dig a sump hole for a pump before you do the other work. Hopefully you have headroom for this project. Ron - Original Message - From: Tom Vos To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 6:43 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor Are there any alternatives for a basement floor other than concrete? We have a room in the basement with a dirt floor. It's not very usable that way, but to get concrete down there will be tough. There are no windows, so concrete would have to be hauled through the entry and kitchen and down the stairs. Or we could carry bags of Redi Mix, but it's going to take a whale of a lot of bags to do the room. It's only about 12 feet square, but that's a lot of lugging. Any ideas? Blessings, Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor
Thank you, Ron. There is some dampness, but not water. Part of the basement has a concrete floor, and it is dry. From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Yearns Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:34 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor Does this dirt floor stay dry? Is it possible to get twelve foot two bys into this space down the steps? If it is dry and you can get the lumber down there without cutting it nto four foot pieces wood could be a viable choice. Two things I would lay dowm plastic on the dirt to trap moisture below the surface. I would also use below grade treated lumber. Lowes or Home Depot does not stock it but can order it special. I would use below grade for the two bys and regular treated for the plywood. If this place ever gets wet you best dig a sump hole for a pump before you do the other work. Hopefully you have headroom for this project. Ron - Original Message - From: Tom Vos To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 6:43 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor Are there any alternatives for a basement floor other than concrete? We have a room in the basement with a dirt floor. It's not very usable that way, but to get concrete down there will be tough. There are no windows, so concrete would have to be hauled through the entry and kitchen and down the stairs. Or we could carry bags of Redi Mix, but it's going to take a whale of a lot of bags to do the room. It's only about 12 feet square, but that's a lot of lugging. Any ideas? Blessings, Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor
Rick, Thanks for the question I should have answered to begin with. This space will only be used for storage, so we don't need something fancy. From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Hume Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:16 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor Howdy Tom, Now I have to admit that after reading your note, that I scratched my head and deleted your request for assistance. Then I realized that you had really gave the group a challenge. I've been thinking about the problem and believe the first thing we need to know, is how you're planning to use the area. If you're considering it as a living area, you would want a better quality floor and a better barrier from the soil. If you're not going to use it as a living area, I can imagine some possible alternative floors. - Original Message - From: Tom Vos To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:43 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor Are there any alternatives for a basement floor other than concrete? We have a room in the basement with a dirt floor. It's not very usable that way, but to get concrete down there will be tough. There are no windows, so concrete would have to be hauled through the entry and kitchen and down the stairs. Or we could carry bags of Redi Mix, but it's going to take a whale of a lot of bags to do the room. It's only about 12 feet square, but that's a lot of lugging. Any ideas? Blessings, Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor
Maybe I could do a Tom Sawyer thing, and convince the neighbors that carryhing heavy buckets of concrete to the basement is fun! From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jewel Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:25 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor perhaps offer a fun-filled holiday to the Rossis. Jewel - Original Message - From: Tom Vos vo...@iowatelecom.net mailto:vos17%40iowatelecom.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:43 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor Are there any alternatives for a basement floor other than concrete? We have a room in the basement with a dirt floor. It's not very usable that way, but to get concrete down there will be tough. There are no windows, so concrete would have to be hauled through the entry and kitchen and down the stairs. Or we could carry bags of Redi Mix, but it's going to take a whale of a lot of bags to do the room. It's only about 12 feet square, but that's a lot of lugging. Any ideas? Blessings, Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman-owner%40yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_ pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 PAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo mailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.comYahoo ! Groups Links __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5125 (20100518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor
OK, I'll admit it. I'm a wimp. Good idea, though s to put in footers. I'll have to do some measuring on the head room. From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:58 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor Tom, Come on, 12 feet squared by 4 inches thick would only be 96 80 pound bags of cement. Child's play. How about if you pour a few footers, then just build a deck on top of the footers. How much head room do you have? The footers don't need to be more than an inch or two above the dirt. but the joists would add depth. At 12 by 12, I think you could get away with four footers pretty easily. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor
It is possible to have concrete put in through a hose from a truck, but probably very expensive and would have to be done by a contractor. Probably prohibitively costly, the high end method. tom Fowle
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor
Our trucks charge $300 for the hose delivery system. Betsy At 04:29 PM 5/18/2010, you wrote: It is possible to have concrete put in through a hose from a truck, but probably very expensive and would have to be done by a contractor. Probably prohibitively costly, the high end method. tom Fowle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Putting in a basement floor
Hi Tom, Since you're only going to be using the area for storage, have you considered paving stones? Granted, you'll have a bit of a workout lugging the various bags of fine sand down there, and carrying the paving stones down there, but the advantage is that there would be plenty of drainage through the stones themselves, and, if you wanted to, you can cover it up later on with three quarter inch plywood, and/or lumber, and place other flooring down there, such as parquet flooring, laminate tiling, or any other type of tiling. You would have to use a tamper machine to tamp down the sand, and to wedge the fine sand in between the paving stones, but again, it would be easier to do than concrete, and the best part is, if you've got pretty good depth perception, it's completely doable by a blind man. Just thinking out loud. Smile. Victor
