Re: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing, Not
How about cutting a piece of trim in the wrong direction time and time again. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing, Not I can't tell you how often I have cut a board more than once only to find it was still too short. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Ralph Supernaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing, Not I just did something you won't want to include on your video. I am building a bookcase headboard. This afternoon I put the sides, one of the shelves, and a front panel together. Having learned from my mistakes and other people's advise, I measured the diagonals to make sure everything was square. And, amazingly enough, it was. Then I take the piece of quarter inch plywood that will serve as the back to the headboard and lay it down. Oh no, something isn't right! It fits just right at the bottom but is too narrow at the top. After giving it some thought (clearly not enough thought) I realize the top was a quarter inch too long and so forced the sides to spread too far because I screwed them together at each end of the top. Not a problem, I'll just cut a quarter inch off the top piece and everything will be fine. As a matter of fact, the back piece did fit fine. Then I got the bright idea of using a square to make sure all the corners are 90 degrees. As my square informed me that both top corners were greater than 90 degrees, it hit me!! I had somehow messed up when cutting the quarter inch plywood back. The top had been the right length after all. But now it's a quarter inch too short. I should have known when I left for the Post Office without the mail and so had to go back and get it and then left the post office without getting the package waiting for us that it was not a day to put much stock in my ability to think. So, while I might make the blind bloopers, you don't want me on a video made, at least in part, to show sighted people how competent we blind folks really are. Ralph [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 14/10/2006 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing, Not
Ok you guys you are shaking my confidence *grin* To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing, Not
Shaking your confidence? Actually, these kinds of stories should strengthen it. First, you know ahead of time you will make major blunders. My brother who is not blind and who has several years experience at a custom cabinet shop told me when I started that a lot of what you learn is how to fix mistakes. Second, if people with the brains it takes to measure once and cut twice can manage to put something together that the wife will allow into the house, you for sure can do it! Ralph _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert J. Moore Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 2:07 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing, Not Ok you guys you are shaking my confidence *grin* [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing, Not
Ralph You are absalutly correct. I could not have said it better. I was making that comment about shaking my confidence, a bit tung in cheek. If I let my blunders keep me from mmoving forward as a handyman I would not have the tools I have. In just the last 2 years I have aquired the following and although they are all very much what you might call previously enjoyed. and most of them don't get used on a regular basis just when I need them they are there. I am now the prowd owner of and air compresser chopp saw air wrench table saw jig saw cordless drill floor jack and a half dozen mechanics hand tools. So to those handy folks with advanced skills, keep up the good work and for us novices like me keep plugging away. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing
Tom Thanks for the link. My Wife picked up a soldering gun not too long ago and Since there is already one in the house I might as well learn to use it. I am not sure what I would use it for but once I learn how to solder I will find uses. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing
Tom you mentioned that maybe a sighted person watching a film on a blind person doing a task should rather be viewed as Oh so that's how they do it, instead of Wow how amazing. I am paraphrasing hear but another thought I have had and I sure would like to do it is to go to a mechanic school and show people how to do things when the trouble light that they are using is nothing more then trouble My wifes cousin is a much better mechanic then I am but there has been a time or two over at his place when we were working on either my vehichles or his and it was just easier for me to do some thing because I am used to working by feel than he is. Just a fact of life. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing, Not
I just did something you won't want to include on your video. I am building a bookcase headboard. This afternoon I put the sides, one of the shelves, and a front panel together. Having learned from my mistakes and other people's advise, I measured the diagonals to make sure everything was square. And, amazingly enough, it was. Then I take the piece of quarter inch plywood that will serve as the back to the headboard and lay it down. Oh no, something isn't right! It fits just right at the bottom but is too narrow at the top. After giving it some thought (clearly not enough thought) I realize the top was a quarter inch too long and so forced the sides to spread too far because I screwed them together at each end of the top. Not a problem, I'll just cut a quarter inch off the top piece and everything will be fine. As a matter of fact, the back piece did fit fine. Then I got the bright idea of using a square to make sure all the corners are 90 degrees. As my square informed me that both top corners were greater than 90 degrees, it hit me!! I had somehow messed up when cutting the quarter inch plywood back. The top had been the right length after all. But now it's a quarter inch too short. I should have known when I left for the Post Office without the mail and so had to go back and get it and then left the post office without getting the package waiting for us that it was not a day to put much stock in my ability to think. So, while I might make the blind bloopers, you don't want me on a video made, at least in part, to show sighted people how competent we blind folks really are. Ralph [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing, Not
May be we could look at it this way. No need to show that we are perfect, because no one is. Blind or sighted. But surely can show that we are capable. Well most of the time. One time Me and some friends replaced a head on a car. They could not get it to fire. I was sure that the cranc shaft and the other part that I think drives the distributer was correct but the can was off. We dragged the car back to my house and over the next couple of days I commence to getting the cam in the correct position. I got the car running and was oh so proud of myself. I was talking to my brother on the phone and as I was talking I found a disconnected wire for the speedometer and in the process of looking at some other things I took off that big air hose that leads to the air cleaner. I think it is called the air ram or some thing. well all was good untill we took it out for a test drive. After the car started on fire and we got that put out, I realized that I did not put that part back in place and it got cautht up in the fan and some how a fire ensude. Not sure what is the moral of the story hear. maybe it is this. Now that you have the head board completed and ready to put in place. don't smoke in bed. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing, Not
I can't tell you how often I have cut a board more than once only to find it was still too short. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Ralph Supernaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing, Not I just did something you won't want to include on your video. I am building a bookcase headboard. This afternoon I put the sides, one of the shelves, and a front panel together. Having learned from my mistakes and other people's advise, I measured the diagonals to make sure everything was square. And, amazingly enough, it was. Then I take the piece of quarter inch plywood that will serve as the back to the headboard and lay it down. Oh no, something isn't right! It fits just right at the bottom but is too narrow at the top. After giving it some thought (clearly not enough thought) I realize the top was a quarter inch too long and so forced the sides to spread too far because I screwed them together at each end of the top. Not a problem, I'll just cut a quarter inch off the top piece and everything will be fine. As a matter of fact, the back piece did fit fine. Then I got the bright idea of using a square to make sure all the corners are 90 degrees. As my square informed me that both top corners were greater than 90 degrees, it hit me!! I had somehow messed up when cutting the quarter inch plywood back. The top had been the right length after all. But now it's a quarter inch too short. I should have known when I left for the Post Office without the mail and so had to go back and get it and then left the post office without getting the package waiting for us that it was not a day to put much stock in my ability to think. So, while I might make the blind bloopers, you don't want me on a video made, at least in part, to show sighted people how competent we blind folks really are. Ralph [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 14/10/2006 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing, Not
Ralph, On the other hand, what we want to show is that we do things, and try to do things. Best would be to make them see us as much like themselves, capable of messing up too. when we, at Smith-kettlewell RERC, had a research project that was really a training program to teach blind folks to solder etc. we never criticized anybody for deciding this was something they didn't want to do or couldn't do. we must demand the right to fail also, we're not all 'superblind' All you gotta do is give an honest try, success is not manditory. Now for the good old top stretcher! GRIN Tom Net-Tamer V 1.13 Beta - Registered To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing
robert, yeah ain't it a ball when we get to do something for them! Quite often when sighted people hear our audibile devices they say that would be neat, I could look at the work not at the meter. why do phones have displays? kidding of course Tom Net-Tamer V 1.13 Beta - Registered To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing
Hi Victor, I have a friend who is blind who works as a mechanic for the L.A. fire department and has for 31 years. I don't remember if he has a computer. I could ask. He also has many cars that he takes apart and puts back together. He offered to show me how to do it if I ever come back that way. grin L8r, Doreen - Original Message - From: Robert J. Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:26 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing Victor I am not really in position to turn this thought of mine into a project but I would be willing to offer whatever help or suggestions that I can, in the event some one is willing and able to take the ball and run with it. I don't know if I can get to making a video of my own very soon but I absolutely do plan to make an instructional video of me replacing a radiator on a vehicle. If not a radiator I will find some thing interesting related to auto repair. I don't have any adaptive tools such as micrometers or tork wrenches and the like so if I may put a bug in some of you mechanics ears out there it may be good to do a video of your own showing adaptive techniques and tools. The video that I want to do will basically just show that you don'tneed sight to do mechanic work and for the most part on basic stuff you really don't even need a lot of adaptive techniques. Just get your hands in there and find what you are looking for. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 10/18/2006 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing
A Great idea, Robert. And when we get those ideas across, let's give them a show that includes women. You should see the look on the faces of clerks when my husband and I go to the hardware store and I tell the clerk what we need. My husband is perfectly happy not to be the handy person in our house. Good thing, because I'd have way more repairs to do. Grin! At 04:25 PM 10/18/2006, you wrote: Hi Robert, I myself had such an idea. I had plans of starting a project on the show, and getting actual real time advice from Phil, the two Dons and Tom, while doing the actual project, and depending on the size of the project, turning it into a two parter. Just a thought, because I have one such project in mind, and it isn't that hard or complicated. I just hadn't gotten a chance to write Phil about it yet, guess you beat me to it. Victor Gouveia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing
robert, There are some things a blind person can't do, like driving a car or flying a plane without sighted help, but the rest depend on the individual and his/herwillingness to go to extremes and/or learn and experiment. If you want to find out how blind folks solder electronics go to: http://www.ski.rog/rerc/sktf/ and grab the soldering series of seven articles. Tom To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing
Tom Thanks for the great feed back. You se even as a blind person myself The thought of soldering eletronic components does not seem practical but then again I have never tried or for that matter know the first thing about soldering I don't know how a blind person solders but I do not assume it can not be done. So I am half as ignorent as the average sighted personb. It is kind of a strainge irony but I think the best way for sighted people to understand what a blind person can do is to let them actually see it them selves visually. It is pretty easy to dismiss what some one says about what they can do because people brag all the time about things that they can do when in fact they have no clue. This is true amung blind and sighted alike but it is hard to dismiss when some thing is demonstrated. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing
I think it's a fine idea my self. regards Don - Original Message - From: Robert J. Moore To: Blind Handyman Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing I have had a thought for a while now, and I would like to get some feed back. To make a long story short I wrote an article describing a situation where I was telling a sighted Brother in law I had replaced the radiator on the Familly car. He could not or would not believe me. Well this kind of thing is all too common to every last one of us. On one hand We could say we have nothing to prove but on the other hand any time that we can prove our claims of being able to do what ever it is that we can do such as building or remodeling a house or rebuilding an engine or even some thing as simple and mundain as shuvaling our own side walk. It will ultimately help the nex blind person that a doubting thomas meets once they see first hand not only that it can be done but even how it is done. Again what I have is only a thought not a plan. what I was thinking about doing for my brother in law was having my Wife video tape me replacing a radiator and explaining what I was doing and making it kind of like an instructional video. If we could get some footage like this of real life situations that the general public could see I wonder how helpful it could be. What the heck it could even be entertaining and most people like to be entertained. Believe it or not you never know when some sighted person may show you or tell you a way that they saw another blind person do some thing that may be of great help to you. Every one wins. If any one knows of a project like this already under way please let me know. I know that we have the blind handy man show and cooking in the dark and so on And I might add that they are quite informative and entertaining but I was thinking more along the lines of getting some footage out on local cable or some such thing. or even having a web site that people could douwn load clips. It could be called some thing like Hell ya, I can do that!! or at least Heck ya I can do that. Is this good or have I lost my marbles? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing
My experience is that usually sighted people focus on the wrong aspect. Working blind is one thing, working in the dark is another. Most of the fuss I hear about is not so much what I build but if I do it after dark then I really hear about it. This time of year it is dark around half past six which is not late and would be of no consequence if I was burning arc lights. I think it has to do with the absurd realization that in the dark or not is of no consequence to me. It is maybe the one occasion when they really understand that I am working in a way they cannot. It moves the thing from the abstract to reality. The scream of a circular saw coming out of my back yard after dark prompts curiosity which cannot be satisfied because they can't see what I am doing and therefore it is difficult or impossible to perceive that I don't see either in the light or the dark. People often refuse to fully understand that I don't see anything. Not just me but I have observed that on many occasions. it is a sort of suspended belief. In more recent years I believe it to be getting better, there seems to me to be an improved sort of inclusion mentality particularly among younger people. These are gross generalizations of course. I am not sure that the objective though will be achieved, a little like the chimpanzee that can sign, a neat trick which brings fame to his trainer but does anyone pay attention to what the chimp is saying? is the value in being a clever chimp or in being a chimp that looks a lot like a human? I'll be a monkey's uncle! Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Robert J. Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing Tom Thanks for the great feed back. You se even as a blind person myself The thought of soldering eletronic components does not seem practical but then again I have never tried or for that matter know the first thing about soldering I don't know how a blind person solders but I do not assume it can not be done. So I am half as ignorent as the average sighted personb. It is kind of a strainge irony but I think the best way for sighted people to understand what a blind person can do is to let them actually see it them selves visually. It is pretty easy to dismiss what some one says about what they can do because people brag all the time about things that they can do when in fact they have no clue. This is true amung blind and sighted alike but it is hard to dismiss when some thing is demonstrated. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 14/10/2006 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing
This reminds me of one of my former neighbor that would cut his grass around 8 in the morning, knowing full well I got to bed around 7 am, after work. Asked him if he would wait until 10 Am when I finally got to sleep. that didn't work. So one night around 1 or 2 in the morning I cut the grass. It didn't take him long to complain. Told him that 1 or 2 in the morning was 12 noon for me, so what was his problem? Believe it or not, a couple of times of cutting the grass at 1 or 2 in the morning, he didn't cut his grass until noon. RJ To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing
Hi Robert, I myself had such an idea. I had plans of starting a project on the show, and getting actual real time advice from Phil, the two Dons and Tom, while doing the actual project, and depending on the size of the project, turning it into a two parter. Just a thought, because I have one such project in mind, and it isn't that hard or complicated. I just hadn't gotten a chance to write Phil about it yet, guess you beat me to it. Victor Gouveia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing
Victor I am not really in position to turn this thought of mine into a project but I would be willing to offer whatever help or suggestions that I can, in the event some one is willing and able to take the ball and run with it. I don't know if I can get to making a video of my own very soon but I absolutely do plan to make an instructional video of me replacing a radiator on a vehicle. If not a radiator I will find some thing interesting related to auto repair. I don't have any adaptive tools such as micrometers or tork wrenches and the like so if I may put a bug in some of you mechanics ears out there it may be good to do a video of your own showing adaptive techniques and tools. The video that I want to do will basically just show that you don'tneed sight to do mechanic work and for the most part on basic stuff you really don't even need a lot of adaptive techniques. Just get your hands in there and find what you are looking for. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Seeing is believing
Don OK your hired as project manager. Just let me know if you need any help. Regards Robert *grin* To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
