Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Hi, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2011-06-16 08.18: If you do it in 2 months there will be (soon) a voted Board of Directors to determine this. Maybe the SC - as non-voted - only give a recommendation for the BoD and put it all in this direction put don't fix it. So it will be a (first) decision of the new BoD. Otherwise the BoD has to fix something they don't voted of (and maybe don't want to do). this is indeed a good point... what do the others think? We can give our +1 as recommendation to the new BoD, but I guess it will indeed be hard to bind them on decisions they have not taken. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Bootstrap BoD campaign (was: Joining the OASIS Consortium)
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, this is indeed a good point... what do the others think? We can give our +1 as recommendation to the new BoD, but I guess it will indeed be hard to bind them on decisions they have not taken. Talking about BoD, Maybe the SC could bootstrap the BoD campaign, by calling for candidate, so that the day the Foundation papers are finally completed, we could have an election and be fully operational ? I means, it is expected that potential candidates be given enough time to trow their hat in, and some time to communicate to the membership what they stand for and what they aim to achieve, iow 'campaigning' there is no reason not to start that in advance of the actual filing of the paperwork of the foundation. Maybe wait for the next MC meeting and freeze the eligible membership pool at that point(1). (the bylaws call for a 45 days notice minimum, and we must have the election done before Sep 28th (the one year anniversary of the 'public' launch)). Norbert (1) The freeze is not explicitly stated for general elections in the bylaws, but the rationale for that freeze is latent in the Impeachment section. This is needed, I think, to avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest between a role in the MC and being a candidate for a BoD position. Note the freeze is with regard to the member eligible to vote, but does not need to apply to eligibility to be a candidate (iow a member should be able to be candidate even if is not eligible to vote as long as he is a member by the time he propose his candidacy and that that candidacy is proposed in a timely manner. Deadline are not specified in the bylaws (which is fine bylaws don't have to be that detailed). I would suggest a 2 weeks period for people to declare themselves candidate, followed by a 3 weeks period of 'campaigning' and a 2 weeks period of 'voting' (that is 49 days, consistent with the mandated 45 days notice). I would also suggest that deadline be based on Wednesday 00:00 UTC And while I am on a roll, may I suggest that a election@ ML be setup so that the campaign related stuff be accessible easily and only if one is interested. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] grammar mistake in the bylaws
Hi, Florian Effenberger wrote on 2011-06-15 12.45: is there a slight grammar mistake in the bylaws? They read change is incorporated now. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Applications to check
Hi Cor, On 18/06/2011 13:11, Cor Nouws wrote: [...] I've seen that you have several membership applications to check, do you want me to take care of them, do you want us to share them? What do you prefer ? Well, if you easily find time to do it, I would really appreciate that you pick them up. I guess you also already have more experience in clarifying which e.g. national contributions are relevant for membership. Ok, no problem, I take them. Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Hi all, On 18/06/2011 09:58, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2011-06-16 08.18: If you do it in 2 months there will be (soon) a voted Board of Directors to determine this. Maybe the SC - as non-voted - only give a recommendation for the BoD and put it all in this direction put don't fix it. So it will be a (first) decision of the new BoD. Otherwise the BoD has to fix something they don't voted of (and maybe don't want to do). this is indeed a good point... what do the others think? We can give our +1 as recommendation to the new BoD, but I guess it will indeed be hard to bind them on decisions they have not taken. No problem for me as long as TDF is represented. Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
From: sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Sat, 18 June, 2011 12:51:17 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium Hi all, On 18/06/2011 09:58, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2011-06-16 08.18: If you do it in 2 months there will be (soon) a voted Board of Directors to determine this. Maybe the SC - as non-voted - only give a recommendation for the BoD and put it all in this direction put don't fix it. So it will be a (first) decision of the new BoD. Otherwise the BoD has to fix something they don't voted of (and maybe don't want to do). this is indeed a good point... what do the others think? We can give our +1 as recommendation to the new BoD, but I guess it will indeed be hard to bind them on decisions they have not taken. No problem for me as long as TDF is represented. Kind regards Sophie Hi :) Some organisations vote only a 3rd of positions each time. Specific legally required roles such as Company Secretary, Finance/Treasurer and Chair are sometimes nominated from existing board members although often the newly elected board members are included. Since those elections are normally held annually it means each board member is committing to 3 years. So, perhaps for TDF it might be better to have the rolling elections every 6months with the legally required posts being voted on annually. This system ensures that 2/3rd majority are stable, established, experienced board members that are already up to speed on relevant issues. It gives external organisations confidence that agreements are not going to be suddenly over-turned just after the AGM. It helps new board members to quickly learn their way around. It helps to get fresh blood and a new perspective, a new energy into the board without compromising stability. I think this first time all the positions need to be voted on but hopefully that will mostly be a case of voting in people that already do a great job. Italo, Sophie, Cor and of course Florian are highly visible, well regarded and do an excellent job but i would guess there are others i don't notice that also do crucially important work. It might be another thing that is good to discuss now to present recommendations to the BoD but it might be better to wait and let them discuss this sort of thing after elections. Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Hello everyone this is indeed a good point... what do the others think? We can give our +1 as recommendation to the new BoD, but I guess it will indeed be hard to bind them on decisions they have not taken. No problem for me as long as TDF is represented. I think that if we go down that path we'll lose some valuable time revoting on it. The SC's mission ends when the BoD is elected and that is very clear, but until then, if decisions have to be made we should not refrain from making them. (Although I understand the need not to rush anything - but joining the OASIS is not exactly a rushed decision). best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Sat, 18 June, 2011 19:18:40 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium Hi, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-06-18 16.50: I think that if we go down that path we'll lose some valuable time revoting on it. The SC's mission ends when the BoD is elected and that is very clear, but until then, if decisions have to be made we should not refrain from making them. (Although I understand the need not to rush anything - but joining the OASIS is not exactly a rushed decision). well, I have no problem with deciding, but still, decisions are not binding for the future BoD, so we should keep that in mind. :-) Florian Hi :) For things such as annual subscriptions and stuff it makes sense to deal with it now so that the BoD don't have to worry about it until next year. The OASIS thing sounds like a lot of money to me but people that know what it offers are all saying yes, by the sounds of it, so i think maybe just do it. Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Charles-H. Schulz wrote (18-06-11 16:50) I think that if we go down that path we'll lose some valuable time revoting on it. The SC's mission ends when the BoD is elected and that is very clear, but until then, if decisions have to be made we should not refrain from making them. Indeed. (Although I understand the need not to rush anything - but joining the OASIS is not exactly a rushed decision). Plus that it is hard to imagine that the BOD would not consider joining the home of ODF important. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Since I am receiving reminders about my individual membership in OASIS, I can answer that question: No. There is no specific enrollment period or fixed calendar of memberships. Annual memberships are for the full year from the day a membership application is accepted. Since you are talking about an institutional membership, there will need to be an official who approves the participation of others on individual OASIS Technical Committees. Also, there are IP-policy conditions that apply to membership and contribution to each OASIS TC. TC members affiliated with TDF should not have a conflict with requirements that they are subject to as a condition of their employment elsewhere. I also don't know how closely associated someone must be with the TDF to be able to participate under the TDF membership in OASIS. If that is not clear from the application information for organizations, I am sure there are contacts who can answer any questions about that. - Dennis -Original Message- From: drew [mailto:d...@baseanswers.com] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:24 To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 20:18 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-06-18 16.50: I think that if we go down that path we'll lose some valuable time revoting on it. The SC's mission ends when the BoD is elected and that is very clear, but until then, if decisions have to be made we should not refrain from making them. (Although I understand the need not to rush anything - but joining the OASIS is not exactly a rushed decision). well, I have no problem with deciding, but still, decisions are not binding for the future BoD, so we should keep that in mind. :-) Hi, Just wondering, is there some membership window, a period of time each year when new memberships are accepted at OASIS? Is that an issue here? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Thanks much for the details. //drew On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 15:42 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Since I am receiving reminders about my individual membership in OASIS, I can answer that question: No. There is no specific enrollment period or fixed calendar of memberships. Annual memberships are for the full year from the day a membership application is accepted. Since you are talking about an institutional membership, there will need to be an official who approves the participation of others on individual OASIS Technical Committees. Also, there are IP-policy conditions that apply to membership and contribution to each OASIS TC. TC members affiliated with TDF should not have a conflict with requirements that they are subject to as a condition of their employment elsewhere. I also don't know how closely associated someone must be with the TDF to be able to participate under the TDF membership in OASIS. If that is not clear from the application information for organizations, I am sure there are contacts who can answer any questions about that. - Dennis -Original Message- From: drew [mailto:d...@baseanswers.com] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:24 To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 20:18 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-06-18 16.50: I think that if we go down that path we'll lose some valuable time revoting on it. The SC's mission ends when the BoD is elected and that is very clear, but until then, if decisions have to be made we should not refrain from making them. (Although I understand the need not to rush anything - but joining the OASIS is not exactly a rushed decision). well, I have no problem with deciding, but still, decisions are not binding for the future BoD, so we should keep that in mind. :-) Hi, Just wondering, is there some membership window, a period of time each year when new memberships are accepted at OASIS? Is that an issue here? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Fwd: Manifiesto de apoyo.
Hi Can we add them to the support page? Thanks Olivier Mensagem original Assunto:Manifiesto de apoyo. Data: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:50:06 -0500 De: Gerardo Sagbay - Grupo Informático gerardo_sag...@grupoinfoec.com Para: i...@documentfoundation.org Manifiesto de apoyo de: GRUPO INFORMATICO DE ECUADOR-SUDAMERICA La llegada de LibreOffice marca un hito en el desarrollo de la humanidad en lo referente al uso de tecnologias y su libertad intrinseca, nos sentimos alentados con la presencia de The Document Foundation y su grupo de tecnicos, visionarios e innovadores que nos han puesto a transitar por terrenos solidos, con la esperanza de un futuro brillante, salud por ello! The arrival of LibreOffice a milestone in the development of humanity in relation to the use of technology and its intrinsic freedom, we are encouraged by the presence of the Document Foundation and his group of technicians, visionaries and innovators who have made travel on solid ground, with the hope of a bright future, long life for it! -- Cordialmente, Grupo Informático -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation Voicing the enterprise needs LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
