Re: [board-discuss] Conflict of Interest Policy

2021-10-08 Thread Simon Phipps
Hi Emiliano, and thanks for your reply! I'm grateful for the effort you are
putting in to this activity.

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 10:37 AM Emiliano Vavassori <
emiliano.vavass...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:.

>
> Someone, inside the Board, asked to extend the proposed policy by
> default to any member, but I must say I am very reluctant in doing so
> without any direct involvement of other TDF bodies (incl. the Membership
> Committee and the Board of Trustees, for example).


The MC has already reviewed the version that applies to them (quite a
different use case may I say, since they have such a narrow set of
responsibilities even though they are important). TDF's Board of Trustees
*is* the Members! That's who I am asking the Board to have review this
document, with a relatively short deadline so as not to be disruptive.
Trust me, I know how hard it is to get TDF's Board to make a decision!

I definitely am not proposing a public review at this stage. Let's not
confuse the Trustees/Members. The Trustees are ultimately the people the
Board and MC is accountable to and a policy aimed at controlling what their
elected representatives can and can't do is certainly of interest to them.

Cheers

Simon


Re: [board-discuss] Conflict of Interest Policy

2021-10-08 Thread Paolo Vecchi

Michael,

you may re-iterate as many times as you like.

You have been told time and again that members will surely be welcome at 
future stages.


As explained by Emiliano "this document regulates the internal processes 
of the Board of Directors" and shares many good reasons to start with 
this one.


Ciao

Paolo


On 08/10/2021 19:36, Michael Meeks wrote:


On 08/10/2021 10:37, Emiliano Vavassori wrote:

Il 06/10/21 14:46, Simon Phipps ha scritto:
I will note none of the text has been supplied to or discussed by 
the legal committee (where I am a volunteer).


I really appreciate your activity in the project and the Foundation. 
I will welcome very thankfully your involvement (and by extension, of 
any other volunteer) for the future versions of a CoI Policy.


Just to re-iterate this: I personally find Simon's work on the 
legal committee invaluable. Simon regularly provides the benefit of 
his very considerable experience to the great benefit of TDF, in a 
most timely and helpful way in that context.


I believe it would be extremely useful to include him into the 
timely review of this policy given his experience across many FLOSS 
projects.


Thanks Simon,

    Michael.



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Re: [board-discuss] Conflict of Interest Policy

2021-10-08 Thread Michael Meeks



On 08/10/2021 10:37, Emiliano Vavassori wrote:

Il 06/10/21 14:46, Simon Phipps ha scritto:
I will note none of the text has been supplied to or discussed by the 
legal committee (where I am a volunteer).


I really appreciate your activity in the project and the Foundation. I 
will welcome very thankfully your involvement (and by extension, of any 
other volunteer) for the future versions of a CoI Policy.


	Just to re-iterate this: I personally find Simon's work on the legal 
committee invaluable. Simon regularly provides the benefit of his very 
considerable experience to the great benefit of TDF, in a most timely 
and helpful way in that context.


	I believe it would be extremely useful to include him into the timely 
review of this policy given his experience across many FLOSS projects.


Thanks Simon,

Michael.

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Re: [board-discuss] Conflict of Interest Policy

2021-10-08 Thread Emiliano Vavassori

Hi Simon,

Sorry for the belated answer :/

Il 06/10/21 14:46, Simon Phipps ha scritto:
I think you are right, yes, which is why I sought clarification whether 
this was the Board providing formal notice of an intent to make such a 
modification.


I cannot read, in the Statutes or in the Rules of Procedure, such a 
mandatory step, nor an indication that a proposal of amendment to the 
Rules cannot be made by a Director, asking for a vote. Can you point out 
where your understanding comes from, please?


The proposed amendments were known to the full Board before publishing 
and the proposed policy has been in discussion for over a month. Since 
there was no unanimous consensus about it, but a fully shared 
understanding that a written CoI policy is needed, I proposed the vote.


For the record, I fully support having a Conflict of Interest policy at 
TDF.

Thank you for your support.

Given this is such an important topic, I request that the Board hold a 
public process (or at minimum open to Members) to review the text they 
intend to vote on and provide Members with enough time to consider the 
text and a means to seek clarifications, rather than performing a /fait 
accomplis/ with a minimal public review period -- something I know 
you and some colleagues care about a great deal.


While I share the need of publicity, common understanding and 
request/provision of feedback by a larger base, please understand this 
document regulates the internal processes of the Board of Directors.


Someone, inside the Board, asked to extend the proposed policy by 
default to any member, but I must say I am very reluctant in doing so 
without any direct involvement of other TDF bodies (incl. the Membership 
Committee and the Board of Trustees, for example). Unfortunately, this 
will be a pretty long journey, one which the actual Board can eventually 
just start, but that cannot commit to finish.


Also, with e.g. a significant number of tenders this year, it's 
important to have a policy for the current board in place, and not only 
for the next one.


So we have to start somewhere. A similar policy has been prepared by 
fellow members drawing from years of experience in various bodies, 
reviewed directly by our legal consultant (mandated by the Board itself) 
and then voted by the MC with a large majority. We then asked our legal 
consultant to provide a version based on the MC one that would fit the 
Statutes' provisions for the Board. This was followed by an internal 
review and a call. To make a long story short, the heavy side of the 
work needed for a first version has been provided to the Board and 
approved by another TDF official body with a large majority, so it only 
seems sensible and respectful towards the work put into it by our fellow 
members to adopt this policy as a first step.


I will note none of the text has been supplied to or discussed by the 
legal committee (where I am a volunteer).


I really appreciate your activity in the project and the Foundation. I 
will welcome very thankfully your involvement (and by extension, of any 
other volunteer) for the future versions of a CoI Policy. We already 
discussed how to make changes in a future version, but as said, we need 
to make a start with an initial version.


Naturally - hopefully a text that can be unanimously approved will arise 
so that there is no taint of partisanship.


Yes, a unanimously approved version would have been indeed the best 
outcome. So, independently of the results of the vote of this proposal, 
I look forward to work on further improvements assured by the fact that 
all the stakeholders are fully committing to it.


Do you or your fellow 
directors have insight when that is planned? I don't recall seeing it 
mentioned in previous minutes but I may have overlooked it.


As you can see yourself from the background information I provided here, 
that is not foreseeable now, based on different understanding on how in 
depth an eventual public/members' contribution to the topic would be.


For myself, I am eager to start discussing it right after the vote.

Again, thanks for your inquiries; I hope this will be clarifying the 
ratio behind the proposal and the vote.


Regards,
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The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE
Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts
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