Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Approve the attic proposal
Hi Daniel, all, Daniel A. Rodriguez wrote: > This all goes hand in hand with the refusal to hire developers within TDF. > I don't see where that should have happened. See also Paolo's answer. Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [board-discuss] Preliminary budget for 2022
Hi Simon, all, Simon Phipps wrote: > Can you tell is the voting details please? > The vote on the budget was unanimous, among the board members present. Best, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Approve the attic proposal
Hi Andreas, On 31/03/2022 14:49, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hello, Am 28.03.22 um 14:01 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, The Board of Directors at the time of voting consists of 7 seat holders (not including deputies). In order to be quorate, the vote needs to have 1/2 or more of the Board of Directors members, which gives 4. A total of 4 Board of Directors members have participated in the vote. The vote is quorate. A quorum could be reached with a simple majority of 3 votes. Result of vote: 4 approvals, 0 abstain, 0 disapprovals. Decision: The proposal has been accepted. once I looked over this decision making process, I find it striking that only four BoD members participated. And also is remarkable that among this participants are only long time TDF members and members which have are part of LibreOffice ecosystem development companies or their contract partner. And because the starting point for this attic proposal (and its first use case) is LOOL (online) it is not the best management, if members with a potential CoI around this first use case participate. I'd expect they abstain. That the attic proposal has been pushed to archive LOOL, IMHO, is clear but is there any CoI at this stage? That's a vote on the text, which still has room for improvement, not a vote to archive LOOL. I proposed to open up the repository for 12 months and see if the community is still interested in bringing it forward or not and then, non CoI'ed directors, could vote on it's archival or not. But independent from this, it is sad to see that there seemed to be already no consent inside the board between the members connected to LibreOffice ecosystem companies and the other members at the start of the new BoD term. Sorry but it seems like there are visions for the future of TDF that sometimes diverge quite a bit and yes heated discussions still happen. I think it's very important that members of the community participate more so that all members of the board understand which direction our community want us to follow. Regards, Andreas Ciao Paolo -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- Paolo Vecchi - Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2022-03-21
Hi Andreas, On 31/03/2022 15:02, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hello, Am 28.03.22 um 12:48 schrieb Florian Effenberger: The Document Foundation Board of Directors Meeting 2022-03-21 Meeting Minutes Date: 2022-03-21 Location: Jitsi Session chair: Thorsten Behrens Keeper of the minutes: Stephan Ficht In the meeting: Board Members - Cor Nouws, Jan Holešovský, Thorsten Behrens, Caolán McNamara, Emiliano Vavassori, Paolo Vecchi, Laszlo Nemeth Board Deputy Members - Gabriel Masei, Gabor Kelemen Membership Committee Members - Membership Committee Substitute Members - Team - Sophie Gautier, Stephan Ficht, Florian Effenberger, Guilhem Moulin Community - "Fellow Jitster" Representation: None (...) Public meeting ends at 17:13 UTC / 18:13 Berlin time. Private part 3. Discuss & vote: budget for 2022 (Thorsten, all 40 mins) because the discussion and decision was made in private, there is no information given about the BoD members participated in this topic. But I assume that the same members as in the public meeting take part in the private meeting. I believe you are correct. If this budget includes items for development, e.g. for development tender and for in-house developer, there would be at least a CoI, if a company / organization connected to one of the BoD members would bit for a tender. I raised the issue and there has been an agreement to remove the in-house developers project from the budget vote. You will notice from the preliminary budget that has been published that a proposal for a QA engineer, that hasn't been discussed openly as I did with the developers proposal, got through. I demanded for the proposal to be discussed with TDF's team, which is finally happening, and also to be shared with the rest of the community so that you can help in evaluating it but that hasn't happened yet. Thus at least every company / organization connected to one of the BoD members has to be excluded from TDF tender process. That's an interesting statement which deserves further evaluation. IIRC every member of the board always voted for the budget without distinction. Regards, Andreas Ciao Paolo -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- Paolo Vecchi - Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] Preliminary budget for 2022
Can you tell is the voting details please? Thanks Simon On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 18:36 Florian Effenberger, < flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > Hello, > > find below a summary of the preliminary budget that the Board of > Directors agreed on 2022-03-28. It is now made public in accordance with > our statutes. > > Recurring: 901.444,52 € > >Salaries and compensations 694.840,88 € >Accounting and legal advice 32.603,64 € >Running cost & discretionary spending 25.000,00 € >Trainings 5.000,00 € >Infrastructure 74.000,00 € >LibOCon & FOSDEM 30.000,00 € >Community projects 20.000,00 € >Marketing budget 20.000,00 € > > > Pending projects (as of January 1): > cf. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2021 > >Various tenders 414.053,54 € > Streamline tendering process > Text layout > Cleanup & further improve ODF conformance > Rolling Release: Finish MAR-based autoupdater for Windows > C++ accessibility tests > MC request: Improvements on the Membership Committee tooling > Improve the accessibility checker for PDF/UA > Support for Editing and Creation of SmartArt > Convert Impress slideshow to drawinglayer primitives > Writer tables: support cell margins (next to cell padding) > >Campus programme for student ambassadors 12.000,00 € >MC request: TDF welcome kit for the members 2.000,00 € >statutory auditor/chartered accountant 5.000,00 € > > > New projects: > cf. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2022 > >Various tenders 400.000 € > [ESC] Bitmaps in vcl: Merge RGB and A layer into one > [ESC] Stabilize cross-page table layouting > [ESC] Text runs of RTL scripts (e.g. Arabic, Hebrew, Persian) from > imported PDF are reversed, PDFIProcessor::mirrorString not behaving > [ESC] Font subsetter for font embedding > [ESC] Bitmaps in vcl: Use a native format/depth > [ESC] ODT export nondeterminism > [ESC] Remove/Replace usages of XOR-Paint > [ESC] Table Styles improvements > [ESC] Fix accessibility issues > [ESC] Unify Writer and Draw Images > [ESC] Decouple master slide and layouts > [ESC] Multi-color gradient > [ESC] Look-ahead styleref field for Writer > [ESC] GraphicFilter clean-up > [ESC] UNO API changes subscription/feedback channel > [ESC] Regular scan-build reports like we do with CppCheck > [ESC] Normalized spell checking > [ESC] Missing ODF Features: Concentric gradient fill of custom-shapes > [ESC] Bridge the gap between drawinglayer and VCL > [ESC] XLSX Aggressive Competitors tracker: gridlines for 3d line charts > >Various contracts and tenders 100.600 € > Contract Weblate to sort out issues pointed out by the l10n community > Hire 1 x New QA analyst > part-time web technology expert > Update & translate LibreLogo manual, complete LibreLogo unit tests > Decidim startup > >[MC] Carbon compensation 3.750,00 € >2-4% budget to FLOSS software as devprojects or support (incl. 2021 > leftover) 27.265 € > > Florian > > -- > Florian Effenberger, Executive Director (Geschäftsführer) > Tel: +49 30 5557992-50 | Mail: flo...@documentfoundation.org > The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE > Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts > Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: > https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > >
[board-discuss] Preliminary budget for 2022
Hello, find below a summary of the preliminary budget that the Board of Directors agreed on 2022-03-28. It is now made public in accordance with our statutes. Recurring: 901.444,52 € Salaries and compensations 694.840,88 € Accounting and legal advice 32.603,64 € Running cost & discretionary spending 25.000,00 € Trainings 5.000,00 € Infrastructure 74.000,00 € LibOCon & FOSDEM 30.000,00 € Community projects 20.000,00 € Marketing budget 20.000,00 € Pending projects (as of January 1): cf. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2021 Various tenders 414.053,54 € Streamline tendering process Text layout Cleanup & further improve ODF conformance Rolling Release: Finish MAR-based autoupdater for Windows C++ accessibility tests MC request: Improvements on the Membership Committee tooling Improve the accessibility checker for PDF/UA Support for Editing and Creation of SmartArt Convert Impress slideshow to drawinglayer primitives Writer tables: support cell margins (next to cell padding) Campus programme for student ambassadors 12.000,00 € MC request: TDF welcome kit for the members 2.000,00 € statutory auditor/chartered accountant 5.000,00 € New projects: cf. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2022 Various tenders 400.000 € [ESC] Bitmaps in vcl: Merge RGB and A layer into one [ESC] Stabilize cross-page table layouting [ESC] Text runs of RTL scripts (e.g. Arabic, Hebrew, Persian) from imported PDF are reversed, PDFIProcessor::mirrorString not behaving [ESC] Font subsetter for font embedding [ESC] Bitmaps in vcl: Use a native format/depth [ESC] ODT export nondeterminism [ESC] Remove/Replace usages of XOR-Paint [ESC] Table Styles improvements [ESC] Fix accessibility issues [ESC] Unify Writer and Draw Images [ESC] Decouple master slide and layouts [ESC] Multi-color gradient [ESC] Look-ahead styleref field for Writer [ESC] GraphicFilter clean-up [ESC] UNO API changes subscription/feedback channel [ESC] Regular scan-build reports like we do with CppCheck [ESC] Normalized spell checking [ESC] Missing ODF Features: Concentric gradient fill of custom-shapes [ESC] Bridge the gap between drawinglayer and VCL [ESC] XLSX Aggressive Competitors tracker: gridlines for 3d line charts Various contracts and tenders 100.600 € Contract Weblate to sort out issues pointed out by the l10n community Hire 1 x New QA analyst part-time web technology expert Update & translate LibreLogo manual, complete LibreLogo unit tests Decidim startup [MC] Carbon compensation 3.750,00 € 2-4% budget to FLOSS software as devprojects or support (incl. 2021 leftover) 27.265 € Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Executive Director (Geschäftsführer) Tel: +49 30 5557992-50 | Mail: flo...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Approve the attic proposal
El 31/3/22 a las 09:49, Andreas Mantke escribió: Hello, Am 28.03.22 um 14:01 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, The Board of Directors at the time of voting consists of 7 seat holders (not including deputies). In order to be quorate, the vote needs to have 1/2 or more of the Board of Directors members, which gives 4. A total of 4 Board of Directors members have participated in the vote. The vote is quorate. A quorum could be reached with a simple majority of 3 votes. Result of vote: 4 approvals, 0 abstain, 0 disapprovals. Decision: The proposal has been accepted. once I looked over this decision making process, I find it striking that only four BoD members participated. And also is remarkable that among this participants are only long time TDF members and members which have are part of LibreOffice ecosystem development companies or their contract partner. And because the starting point for this attic proposal (and its first use case) is LOOL (online) it is not the best management, if members with a potential CoI around this first use case participate. I'd expect they abstain. Indeed, should be that way. But independent from this, it is sad to see that there seemed to be already no consent inside the board between the members connected to LibreOffice ecosystem companies and the other members at the start of the new BoD term. It's not the first time that happens, previous term had a lot of that. However, I believe that a consensus does not necessarily have to be reached. One can disagree. What is of utmost importance is to promote the best decision for TDF. This all goes hand in hand with the refusal to hire developers within TDF. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- Uso LibreOffice, por privacidad, seguridad y control de mis datos. Da un vistazo a la mejor suite de oficina: https://es.libreoffice.org O únete a la Comunidad Hispana en Telegram: https://t.me/libreoffice_es -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2022-03-21
Hello, Am 28.03.22 um 12:48 schrieb Florian Effenberger: The Document Foundation Board of Directors Meeting 2022-03-21 Meeting Minutes Date: 2022-03-21 Location: Jitsi Session chair: Thorsten Behrens Keeper of the minutes: Stephan Ficht In the meeting: Board Members - Cor Nouws, Jan Holešovský, Thorsten Behrens, Caolán McNamara, Emiliano Vavassori, Paolo Vecchi, Laszlo Nemeth Board Deputy Members - Gabriel Masei, Gabor Kelemen Membership Committee Members - Membership Committee Substitute Members - Team - Sophie Gautier, Stephan Ficht, Florian Effenberger, Guilhem Moulin Community - "Fellow Jitster" Representation: None (...) Public meeting ends at 17:13 UTC / 18:13 Berlin time. Private part 3. Discuss & vote: budget for 2022 (Thorsten, all 40 mins) because the discussion and decision was made in private, there is no information given about the BoD members participated in this topic. But I assume that the same members as in the public meeting take part in the private meeting. If this budget includes items for development, e.g. for development tender and for in-house developer, there would be at least a CoI, if a company / organization connected to one of the BoD members would bit for a tender. Thus at least every company / organization connected to one of the BoD members has to be excluded from TDF tender process. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Approve the attic proposal
Hello, Am 28.03.22 um 14:01 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, The Board of Directors at the time of voting consists of 7 seat holders (not including deputies). In order to be quorate, the vote needs to have 1/2 or more of the Board of Directors members, which gives 4. A total of 4 Board of Directors members have participated in the vote. The vote is quorate. A quorum could be reached with a simple majority of 3 votes. Result of vote: 4 approvals, 0 abstain, 0 disapprovals. Decision: The proposal has been accepted. once I looked over this decision making process, I find it striking that only four BoD members participated. And also is remarkable that among this participants are only long time TDF members and members which have are part of LibreOffice ecosystem development companies or their contract partner. And because the starting point for this attic proposal (and its first use case) is LOOL (online) it is not the best management, if members with a potential CoI around this first use case participate. I'd expect they abstain. But independent from this, it is sad to see that there seemed to be already no consent inside the board between the members connected to LibreOffice ecosystem companies and the other members at the start of the new BoD term. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Re: New draft of the proposal for in-house developers
Hi Hossein, thanks for your feedback and support. I'll follow up shortly with you to see if your experience in joining the team as Developer Community Architect could provide further insights on how to best integrate and manage new in-house developers. Ciao Paolo On 31/03/2022 07:32, Hossein Nourikhah wrote: Hello, I've read most of the feedback emails, and I want to add these points: 1. The good thing about this proposal is that it addresses many of the declared concerns from the ecosystem companies. This is important because the ecosystem companies and their programmers have a big role in the LibreOffice development. The in-house developers will complement the companies' efforts. 2. Any action in this area may have some drawbacks. While it is good to provide means of minimizing possible problems, it is also good to talk about the price of NOT doing that action. In this case, facing hundreds of issues from 5 to 10 years ago that are still there is a real problem that we should not ignore. Addressing these issues will also benefit ecosystem companies. 3. Some of the mentioned problems and requirements for hiring an in-house developer such as management, accountability and things like that are also relevant for other recruiting attempts. But, I think this proposal should only target things that are specific to hiring developers, and not the general management principles and practices. On the other hand, because the in-house developers are supposed to work mostly on maintenance tasks that were ignored for a while, clear practices and performance indicators can be defined to guide and measure the success of the developers throughout the projects assigned to them. Adding these to the "project management" section of the proposal can help address the possible concerns. Regards, Hossein -- Paolo Vecchi - Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
