Re: [board-discuss] Advisory Board Membership of Rubitech-Astra
Hi all, I want to express my strong support of this motion from Andreas, Sophie and the urgency expressed by Simon to first suspend and consequently remove an advisory board member, who is affiliated and not in distance of what the Russian government is doing. My recommendation would be: Suspend them immediately and do not wait too long with this decision. Then give them 5 days for declaring strongly their distance from all these Russian government activities in public. If after 5 days it is not fulfilled, remove them from the seat in the advisory board and ask them to remove it from their website. If they do so you could release a press statement with the acceptance of the declaration of distance of them as ongoing prerequisite of having them in the AB. Any discovered weakening of this statement will be followed by immediately removing them/anybody from the AB. This is quite similar to a lot of organisations in industry, sports, art etc. doing in case of equivalent issues with persons or affiliates (e.g. a famous Russian conductor of the Munich Philharmonic Orchestra known as a close friend of the Russian president). Please take also into account as there was mentioned if someone else like from China want to engage for the sake of TDF would be hindered to contribute by that, that an ongoing participation of such a Russian government supporting advisory board member could hinder a lot of other potential contributors for engaging in TDF as well and of which we never get aware. And yes, any other organisation as supporter of a government behaving like this should be aware, that it is not welcomed in the advisory board of TDF. Because we want the best for TDF in long term we should do that. Sometimes it costs something in short term to follow fundamental values, but in long term it will pay out in the one or other way. ATB Lothar Am 25.02.2022 um 21:17 schrieb Andreas Mantke: Hi Sophie, thanks for your support. I also thank Paolo and Simon for their backing too. It would be great, if TDF could make a decision on this topic during this evening and create a statement. I think physical integrity, self-determination, freedom of _expression_ are indispensable foundations of the LibreOffice community. And TDF doesn't want to be associated with any member / organization which is connected to violation of this foundations or with the breach of international law, attacks against other countries (e.g. the Ukraine) or war lords. Although TDF makes usually no political statements maybe there need to be an exception in this special case. Regards, Andreas Am 25.02.22 um 20:27 schrieb Sophie: Le 25 février 2022 14:29:06 GMT+01:00, Andreas Mantke a écrit : Hi, according to the TDF website (https://www.documentfoundation.org/governance/advisory-board/) LLC Rubitech-Astra is currently member of the TDF Advisoriy Board. I looked onto this wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RusBITech. There is stated that their software is used for the Russian government and army. In my view TDF should reconsider the membership of Rubitech-Astra after breach of international law by Russia and the attack against the Ukraine Thanks Andrea for bringing this difficult topic, I support your request too. Cheers Sophie Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer -- Lothar K. Becker, Former Member and Chair
Re: [board-discuss] Enable TDF to contribute more code to LibreOffice with in-house developers to address our donors specific needs
Hi Kendy, Am 10.02.2022 um 10:49 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: because from what I can see, TDF was not listening to the contributors the last 2 years too much. sorry to step in here but at this point I have to take part: It was one of my first and foremost task as chair - and let me add it was hard time consuming work - that everybody was heard and could speak, it is simply not true, that contributors wasn't heard. It is a different issue, if all of that got a majority in deciding in the board or was convincing everybody, there you could certainly be different opinion, but not for the pure fact if contributors wasn't heard. I think this is worth to differentiate. Nevertheless there is always room for improvement, for which the new board certainly should reach out. Thanks Lothar -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
All contributions intertwine (was Re: [board-discuss] Counterproposal to the "actization" of LibreOffice Online)
tively. It must shun divisiveness and seek ways to rekindle solidarity by emphasizing equality and promoting freedom. This will not be done treating the motivations of some participants as suspect! In fact almost everyone is pursuing an "interest", almost by definition in a collaborative community! Yes and I really appreciate the tools provided by the MC to rebuild trust. As Maslow observed, before higher-level behaviours can be cultivated, basic needs must be met - especially belonging and esteem. The Foundation needs to be more inclusive of all its trustees in its processes rather than just consulting them for votes once every two years. It needs to be realistic about the pragmatics of large-scale software engineering and how it's paid for and rein-in those trying to frame "commercial" as tainted. It has to seek ways to encourage both community and commercial activities inside its "umbrella" rather than treating some as clean and some as unclean. This is not what I've seen in the project, commercial is not tainted. We need to have a balance between commercial and charitable activities. In my very own opinion, we have moved away from this balance and we could have reshaped it during the pandemic. I very much hope the new Board will engage positively and unanimously on these things. I'm not finding the current conversation encouraging but I have hopes the new team will take a firm hold and change things for the better. Well this discussion has been proposed by a community member, and I find it encouraging in the sens of I hope it will clarify who is TDF and what it should do for its community at large. cheers Sophie -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Last call for feedback on the proposal (was: Draft text: an "attic" proposal)
About the severity to overrule the ESC we are on the same side, a board should think twice or even more if doing so. But without clarification these two sentences set the expectations that an ESC have a blocking decision which is in fact wrong as you say by your own. And in such a case to lean on exchanging the ESC afterwards is a questionable move then, isn‘t it? So lets discuss on Friday as it is already on the board meeting agenda. Perhaps with a little clarification as I proposed we could improve this text of the procedure. Thanks Lothar Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 10.01.2022 um 16:16 schrieb Michael Meeks : > > >> On 09/01/2022 17:27, Lothar K. Becker wrote: >> Both sentences imply that the ESC have in praxis a blocking veto, >> independent of the decision by a board, for both procedures. > >In general, I think it is wise when (re-)starting an engineering project > to get input from the engineering community who are represented in the ESC. > >Of course, the board is not obliged to do so, and it also appoints the ESC > itself. If necessary it can stack it with yes-people. > >However, I would really suggest that making engineering decisions against > the advice of the leaders of the teams that do the work is something that > should give very serious pause for thought & consideration by a board. > >> Or something like this. I am not sure if it is good to vote on it without >> clarification of this item in any case. What do you think? > >Clearly the board as the ultimately authority has many avenues to ensure > its will is done: changing the policy, changing the ESC composition, etc. > >But as a general scheme of action for a peaceful and sensible approach to > the problem, I think the policy as proposed is fine. > >Regards, > >Michael. > > -- > michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity > Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks > (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >
Re: [board-discuss] Last call for feedback on the proposal (was: Draft text: an "attic" proposal)
on who/where to ask for anything related to the code in the repository. The proposed implementation of this space is by using git-http-backend1. The proposal has already been evaluated by the Infra team and the overhead for maintaining such a solution will be “negligible”. ## Atticization process The Engineering Steering Committee (ESC) of TDF, the Board of Directors (BoD) or one or more of its Directors can propose the “atticization” of a part of the project. That proposal will have to be voted on successfully by both the ESC and the Board of Directors. The specific code proposed (mostly, entire git-based repositories) will be then effectively atticized by the Infra team. Other than moving the repository to the attic, these other changes will be needed: • Deactivation of specific -dev or -users mailing list; • No new binary releases will be provided (older releases will persist in download archive); • Changing eventual specific category on BugZilla to “Atticized repo – please do not use” (ed.: needs to be checked by Infra/QA/Ilmari); • Possibly disable Ask/Discourse pertaining categories (ed.: needs to be checked by Infra/Sophie). ## De-atticization A part of the project that is actually present inside the “attic” can be moved back into active development, whenever sufficient interest around the code emerges. ## De-atticization requirements A repository can be de-atticized when it reaches the following requirements: • A publicly available repository has to be present, collecting new modifications to the initial project. This repository needs to be based on the initial atticized repository; • The modified code has to be open source/free software under an OSI-approved license; • At least three different developers have committed changes to the forked repository, ideally not all of them affiliated to the same entity; • Every developer should have pushed 5-10 non-trivial commits over the span of at least three months; • The de-atticization proposal has to be supported by at least one member of The Document Foundation. ## De-atticization procedure The de-atticization has to be requested from either the ESC or the Board of Directors; the ESC will provide a technical clearance for the de-atticization, as well as any needed corrections to the project to comply to specific development customs of TDF community and to adhere to the conventions practiced at TDF. Once clearance has been granted, both ESC and BoD will vote on the de-atticization of the specific repo. If the vote turns out affirmative, the implementation part will be handed over to Infra team, which can, based on common sense: • Import the forked public repository; • Or move the repository from attic to gerrit altogether and apply the needed corrections. If needed, new mailing list, BugZilla and Ask/Discourse categories will be instantiated. ## Proposed text for the nature of the code The following text is proposed to be included in the README of any atticized repository: --- This repository contains FLOSS code that is not maintained and/or actively developed. The code provided here is *NOT READY FOR PRODUCTION*, as it lacks updated security auditing (and probably contains insecure code) and Quality Assurance. Releases are *NOT* anymore provided for this code. --- ## Proposed text for the un-atticization requirements The following text is proposed to be included in the README of any atticized repository: --- This repository might be moved to active development under TDF’s supervision through a specific procedure. Please check that your modifications match the following requirements (which needs to be all fulfilled): * modified code is present in a publicly available git repository * modified code is release with a free/open source license * at least 3 developers, ideally not from the same entity, modified the code * modifications efforts to the code are qualified as 5-10 non-trivial commits for each developer over a period of 3 months * modified code is actively advocated by at least a member of TDF If the requirements are fulfilled and you can guarantee to continue to develop on the modified code, please get in touch with TDF ESC and Board of Directors. Full procedure available at [Insert URL to a wiki page with the procedure here]. --- -%<------ -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundatio
[board-discuss] Thank you for 2021 and Seasonal Greetings from TDF!
Dear community members, TDF members, Advisory board members, team members, membership committee and board! Another year marked by the global pandemic is coming to an end these days. In addition to all the depressing news and circumstances that affect us all, there are also pleasing and uplifting developments. Apart from the painfully missed opportunity to meet in person, be it in the local communities or at our annual conference, we have nevertheless achieved so much together, worked together and brought our foundation forward, so that we can already say that it was one of the most successful years for and with our project. I would like to thank all of you on behalf of our project. Everyone has contributed to the success story in different ways. All the contributions intertwine, and without these individual parts the whole thing would not be possible and so successful. Especially in these times. Thank you very much again for this. And it is precisely this commitment, this proof of the resilience of our project during this time, that allows me to look to the future with good cheer. Please continue to support our community in so many ways in the coming year, every contribution is needed. After two very intensive and busy years, I myself will say goodbye to the board, but after a short phase of rest, I will continue to work with you in the project in one or two different places again. I wish the newly elected board all the best! I wish you and your beloved ones a few days of recreation at the end of this year and a stable good health for the next one. Thanks again and hope to see you all with your contributions in the new year again, yours Lothar Becker as chairman of the board -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] Approve version 1.3.1 of the CoI policy
Hi all, +1 for it as approval from me. Many thanks to all people from the board, the membership committee, the attorney, the team, the advisory board, members who worked hard to get this to this compromise version since that was a slightly longer process with efforts on various sides. All the best Lothar Am 24.11.2021 um 00:41 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Dear directors, all, calling for a VOTE on the just-published draft update to the CoI policy [1], to modify our Rules of Procedure [2] - such that we reference version 1.3.1 of the CoI policy: --- Preamble In addition to § 7, (5) of the statutes, the Board of Directors hereby agrees on the following rules of procedure. Notwithstanding any regulations in the statutes, this document defines board processes, decision making, as well as sharing and delegation of board tasks. Binding part of these Rules of Procedure is the Board’s Conflict of Interest Policy: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/2/21/Mike_BoD_Conflict_of_Interest_Policy_ver1_3_1.pdf Should elements of the Rules of Procedure be in collision with the Conflict of Interest Policy, the rules of the Conflict of Interest Policy always shall prevail. --- According to § 1, 2. of said Rules of Procedure, this vote runs for one week, until December 1st, 2021. After approval, the amended Rules of Procedure will be published and enter into immediate effect. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/2/21/Mike_BoD_Conflict_of_Interest_Policy_ver1_3_1.pdf [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_rules Best, -- Thorsten -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Vote about Certification Updates
Hi all, most have already voted, I definitely support the items, but as member of the certcom I do not participate in the vote. So usual 72h voting slot will end of this working day (Berlin time) I propose to close the vote at the weekend, so @board if you wish to vote on it you should do so today. Thanks all, esp. Italo for your work on it, Lothar Am 06.07.2021 um 16:36 schrieb Italo Vignoli: As agreed during the last BoD call (July 2nd), I would like the BoD to approve the following: 1. Develop a training for certification (attached), which allows to access the "LibreOffice Certified" entry level (without specification about migrations and training), after the usual certification review. Once the training for certification has been approved, it will be transformed into a series of online training classes provided through Udemy (which seems to be almost a standard for certification training, as it is used by Microsoft, Oracle and Cisco, plus others). 2. Keep the current "Migration Professional" and "Professional Trainer" as main level certification for people who have a hands-on experience in migrations or training (exactly as in the past). People with LibreOffice Certification could apply for Professional Certification after 12 months from the first certification, based on a migration/training project with extensive documentation (a detailed report of the migration project, or a detailed evaluation of the training project). Only people with full pre-requisites compliance can directly access Professional Certification without going through LibreOffice Certification. 3. Create the certification training for single applications: "LibreOffice Writer/Calc/Impress/Draw/Base Certified Trainer", which is simple and uncontroversial. 4. Create a "Senior Migration Professional" and a "Senior Professional Trainer" certifications, only for certified professionals who have been active in the project for a while and contribute as volunteers in some area. 5. Update all certification related documents to reflect all the above. Thanks, Italo -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Statement on Richard M. Stallman and Free Software Foundation
Dear LibreOffice Community, Dear Open Source Community, all of us at The Document Foundation are following the discussion in the global free software community about Richard M. Stallman’s return to the Free Software Foundation (FSF) board of directors. We do share your concerns, and we do take this situation very seriously. Our worldwide community is strongly committed to have a safe, welcoming, harmonious and inclusive environment, based on dignity and support. We absolutely do not tolerate harassment of any kind. Working together in trust requires mutual respect and understanding. These standards are also part of our guiding statutes that we expect all our community members and affiliates to follow. We have therefore reached out to the FSF’s representative in our advisory board, asking for details and for a statement which confirms their commitment to our core values. We are all perfectly aware of the consequences also for our project, given that the FSF is a member of our advisory board. We clearly expect a strong evidence that the FSF found a proper solution to the severe impact their actions have had on the global free software community. We will suspend FSF‘s membership in our advisory board and cease any other activity with this organization and their representatives, until the situation is healed. Thanks for your support. Lothar Becker (TDF Board) Daniel Armando Rodriguez (TDF Board) Franklin Weng (TDF Board) Thorsten Behrens (TDF Board) Emiliano Vavassori (TDF Board) Paolo Vecchi (TDF Board) Marina Latini (TDF Membership Committee) Gabriele Ponzo (TDF Membership Committee) Ahmad Haris (TDF Membership Committee) Dennis Roczek (TDF Membership Committee) Gustavo Buzzatti Pacheco (TDF Membership Committee) Shinji Enoki (TDF Membership Committee) Jona Azizaj (TDF Membership Committee) Florian Effenberger (TDF Team) Sophie Gautier (TDF Team) Olivier Hallot (TDF Team) Italo Vignoli (TDF Team) Xisco Fauli (TDF Team) Christian Lohmaier (TDF Team) Guilhem Moulin (TDF Team) -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors, chairman The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] LibreOffice Online freeze-related decisions
Sorry, thought I already did answer in this vote, but there were
some remarks from Emiliano, so:
Still +1 also for the clarification of Emiliano throughout,
because with the latest infos from Guilhem and as we then do not
have another tooling / play ground in TDF for acquiring new
contributors this makes sense to me.
Best Lothar
Am 05.02.2021 um 14:26 schrieb Emiliano
Vavassori:
Il 02/02/21 18:10, Daniel Armando Rodriguez ha scritto:
Hi,
I think it's pretty clear that several BoD members, me included, have
misunderstood the implication of such vote. Especially 1b. So, my take
is to vote on Guilhems proposal, detailed bellow. Which I support.
"rewind branches on https://git.libreoffice.org/online and for the time
being deny all write
operations to the repository, be it on the git or gerrit side. It'll
freeze the state of the dashboard, notification, and other clones for
free, and if/when we decide to accept contributions again everything
will be just one switch away."
+1, but I think the proposal misses some bits. I'll try to cope with them:
* branches will be rewinded to commit (or the commits before)
4ca4fd34169dd386c2fa57bd28650c00b23d6864 (last commit before changes by
Collabora)
* OpenGrok needs to point to the TDF git/gerrit
* revert decision 1b and (if feasible) point TDF repo on GitHub on
git/gerrit on TDF infra.
After this bits, I think this whole votes needs another round of
confirmation - to be sure that also these bits are consensual.
Cheers,
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Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] LibreOffice Online information in the release notes
+1 Thanks Lothar Am 02.02.2021 um 13:15 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, based on the previous discussion, putting the following to VOTE now: Ask the marketing team to summarize the new LibreOffice Online information website (see vote item #1 in https://listarchives.tdf.io/i/4bCUE2Lh2ffa-M8da8zEfPF7) in the release notes, adding a link to the full page [Note: The content of that website is currently edited and discussed and should be finished soon.] Florian -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] LibreOffice Online freeze-related decisions
Hi all,
there were already sensible remarks from other board members, so not
to bring more complexity in here, just
+1 from my side.
Thanks
Lothar
Am 02.02.2021 um 18:10 schrieb Daniel
Armando Rodriguez:
Hi,
I think it's pretty clear that several BoD members, me included,
have misunderstood the implication of such vote. Especially 1b.
So, my take is to vote on Guilhems proposal, detailed bellow.
Which I support.
"rewind branches on https://git.libreoffice.org/online and for the
time being deny all write
operations to the repository, be it on the git or gerrit side.
It'll
freeze the state of the dashboard, notification, and other clones
for
free, and if/when we decide to accept contributions again
everything
will be just one switch away."
--
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Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] LibreOffice Online freeze-related topics
Hi, let me give some explanation before the individual votes in this cast: I cannot vote this in a whole block because out of my understanding of "frozen" so far, there have to be different answers for the various items in my opinion. ***tl;dr "Frozen" means to me: We are temporarily not able to deliver own source/binaries with an TDF branded LOOL solution, because we are not able to maintain the source with security patches in our own code repository and further more we cannot guarantee if or when a source contribution in our code base will be delivered in a binary/package, because we cannot build and deploy it because of the luck of security patches coding know how. So for the moment contributors with every contribution to LOOL (code as well as non code) which is accepted in our own code base could become frustrated about bringing in something but getting it not (or not knowing when) into a binary version for use as a TDF branded LOOL. So for the time being in which we are not able to do that, we could hint to the source base of one of our valuable ecosystem partner and we should freeze for new contributions but maintain a playground (in which tool soever), where the source could be seen, where out of it for new future code contributors can be learned but the source be understood. From the moment on when we are able to maintain the source again under TDF delivery process ability and responsibility the freeze should be eased. With that it is clear, that I absolutely support the hint from Nicolas, that I am also hoping (but not just hoping) to have an TDF branded LOOL in the near future again. We should have that to full-fill the TDF own duties as well as to have a market demanded "independent" solution, certainly there could be differences/restrictions for the TDF one to the ecosystem partners one to reflect that professional deployments should use a version under professional supported conditions (which is far more than security patches). But this will not happen by its own. In the meantime we should talk with the ecosystem partner who have moved for coming back as well as with potential new code contributors (not just for LOOL but with that focus, because we also need new code contributing volunteers/ecosystem partners for the core). And indeed, therefore the tendered development mentor is very important, because he/she will help newbies to become or grow in such a role and help also the ecosystem partners which are already here with the work (additional investments from others). But also for that role of a development mentor of TDF there should be a TDF controlled source base in the status we have frozen with a official temporarily "read only" mode. ***end of tl;dr*** Long read with short answers, that is why I vote as follows: Am 13.01.2021 um 16:28 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, as discussed in the previous board call, there are some pending decisions to be made wrt. the temporary LibreOffice Online freeze. Here's a set of VOTES (for the board) based on the previous discussions. You may vote on each item individually, or in bulk. For DISCUSSIONS around this (for anyone), please open a separate DISCUSS thread. 1. Ask the marketing project to make a proposal to revamp the LibreOffice Online website (https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-online/) to reflect the status quo +1 2. Ask the team to keep an eye on BugZilla, and freeze/make read-only the BugZilla component for LibreOffice Online, should that be necessary (to avoid new bugs being filed, but do not delete existing content) +1 3. Point the OpenGrok repository to the mirrored Collabora Online repository, for the time being, as long as the development is not happening at TDF -1 4. Adapt the Dashboard for the Online repository and freeze contributions in the state immediately preceding the fork +1 5. Ask the team to remove the Online section from the release notes in the wiki -1 in the sense not removing it but also mark as frozen and perhaps with an explanation for that -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh)
[board-discuss] Seasonal Greetings!
Dear community members, TDF members, Advisory board members, team members, membership committee and board! A very special year for everyone but also for the LibreOffice community comes to an end. A lot of challenges in our daily work with or for the community and the project have been faced, forced from the worldwide COVID pandemia with a lot of consequences in everybody's life and in the way to work together. And it was also the year of our jubilee of 10 years with the LibreOffice project and 20 years of free and open office productivity tools. A lot have been done and reached in the community nevertheless we faced this situation without meeting in person. One highlight certainly was the openSuse & LibreOffice conference totally virtual, another I think the open and transparent discussion process about the marketing plan and with all that a shift to more participation of the community in decision making for the foundation. I am far away of being able to mention all the good activities, running tenders, virtual events, local community work, code development for issues fixing and new features, team tasks, quality assuring and documentation work streams, marketing and spreading the word activities and last but not least securing a stable donations stream, a lot of valuable contribution of ecosystem partners ect. This was just and only possible with all of your personal individual contributions to the project(s) of The Document Foundation. And in this days at the end of the year it is time to say a truly thank you for all your efforts and contributions in it. People around the world - may it be local community members, may it be ecosystem or advisory board members, may it be team members, may it be within or without the TDF membership are working together for promotion and development of an office software available for use by anyone! Without your help, without your contribution to the project we couldn't have reached all this in such a special year! Thank YOU! Thank you for all your motivation to support our common goals. Certainly there is also a challenging new year ahead of us, but I am convinced with this big and healthy community we will also overcome this still ongoing pandemia and take certainly additional steps to go for the right project setting in the next decade of LibreOffice! I wish you and your beloved ones a few days of recreation at the end of this year and a stable good health. Thanks again and hope to see you all with your contributions in the new year again, yours Lothar Becker as chairman of the board -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Re: [VOTE] LibreOffice 7.1 marketing plan
And certainly my
+1 to that marketing plan,
as Emiliano wrote, thanks so much to all of you who were involved to
reach this step, certainly a lot of work ahead which have to be
planed and discussed.
Thanks again, please stay healthy
Lothar
Am 07.12.2020 um 16:23 schrieb Lothar
K. Becker:
Find the SLIDES for this vote at
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/Z6Y2YeDKHoRW3s8
which are a subset of the initially shared PDF, that was made
available via Nextcloud. Removed from the aforementioned initially
shared PDF are the following slides, that are irrelevant for the
vote: slides 2, 10-14, 20-26, 36, 50-53, 62-64, 84
In the here shared PDF with the subset, slides 30, 36, 55 and 60
are updated to reflect the version number change from 7.0 to 7.1
(in red color).
Vote text:
- APPROVAL of the 7.1 MARKETING PLAN, especially the ACTION ITEMS
from the aforementioned shared slides slide 27 onwards.
- The board ASKS THE TEAM, especially the marketing group with
Italo and Mike, to WORK on the aforementioned ACTION ITEMS, as
they are set forth in the PDF.
- The board ASKS THE TEAM, especially the marketing group with
Italo and Mike, to MONITOR results and RECEPTION of this marketing
plan and its action items, and COLLECT AND BRING FORWARD PROPOSALS
FOR CHANGES, REMOVALS AND ADDITIONS when necessary, especially in
time for the NEXT MAJOR RELEASES and/or snapshots, or the LATEST
IN SIX MONTHS' TIME
Notes on the vote:
- The vote on the TAG ("Label") will be sent in a separate e-mail
after this. It is marked as "TBD" (to be determined) in the slide
deck.
I now ask ALL the board members to VOTE with APPROVAL (+1),
DISAPPROVAL (-1) or ABSTAIN (0).
The vote will CLOSE
Thursday, December 10, 1800 Berlin time
Thanks to everyone for your work on the marketing plan and your
commitment to making it a success.
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[board-discuss] Re: [VOTE] LibreOffice 7.1 tag ("label")
Hi,
my ranking on the proposed labels is as follows:
3 - highest - Advance
2 - middle - Community
1- lowest - Rolling
Thanks to all of the community, team and mc and board, who
contributed in discussions and preparation of the choice.
ATB
Lothar
Am 07.12.2020 um 16:28 schrieb Lothar
K. Becker:
As announced in the previous mail, as follow-up to the marketing
plan, the board ALSO has to decide on a concrete TAG ("Label") for
LibreOffice 7.1.
Find the SLIDES with the THREE PROPOSED TAGS at
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/sTKeS4NipJ6X9XH
which are from the discussion with our members, and also contain
related information on their strengths and weaknesses, provided by
the marketing team.
The proposals, in ALPHABETICAL order, are as follows:
a. Advance
b. Community
c. Rolling
Vote text and procedures:
- Please VOTE with a clear RANKING for the three TAG ("label")
proposals.
No double ranks are allowed. Each ranking can be assigned just
once.
3 is the HIGHEST ranking (your most favorite tag), 1 is the
LOWEST ranking (your least favorite tag).
The winner will be the tag ranked best, i.e. with the highest
overall number.
We use the ranking to come to a quick and effective decision
this week.
Notes on the vote:
- This vote is NOT about possible TRANSLATIONS.
Details of that is to be decided by the local communities
together with the marketing project.
If no appropriate translation is found, the original term in
English will be taken.
- This vote is NOT about the ABOUT BOX TEXT.
This will be decided after the tag is chosen.
I now ask ALL the board members to RANK.
The ranking will CLOSE
Thursday, December 10, 1800 Berlin time
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[board-discuss] [VOTE] LibreOffice 7.1 tag ("label")
As announced in the previous mail, as follow-up to the marketing
plan, the board ALSO has to decide on a concrete TAG ("Label") for
LibreOffice 7.1.
Find the SLIDES with the THREE PROPOSED TAGS at
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/sTKeS4NipJ6X9XH
which are from the discussion with our members, and also contain
related information on their strengths and weaknesses, provided by
the marketing team.
The proposals, in ALPHABETICAL order, are as follows:
a. Advance
b. Community
c. Rolling
Vote text and procedures:
- Please VOTE with a clear RANKING for the three TAG ("label")
proposals.
No double ranks are allowed. Each ranking can be assigned just
once.
3 is the HIGHEST ranking (your most favorite tag), 1 is the LOWEST
ranking (your least favorite tag).
The winner will be the tag ranked best, i.e. with the highest
overall number.
We use the ranking to come to a quick and effective decision this
week.
Notes on the vote:
- This vote is NOT about possible TRANSLATIONS.
Details of that is to be decided by the local communities together
with the marketing project.
If no appropriate translation is found, the original term in
English will be taken.
- This vote is NOT about the ABOUT BOX TEXT.
This will be decided after the tag is chosen.
I now ask ALL the board members to RANK.
The ranking will CLOSE
Thursday, December 10, 1800 Berlin time
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[board-discuss] [VOTE] LibreOffice 7.1 marketing plan
Find the SLIDES for this vote at
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/Z6Y2YeDKHoRW3s8
which are a subset of the initially shared PDF, that was made
available via Nextcloud. Removed from the aforementioned initially
shared PDF are the following slides, that are irrelevant for the
vote: slides 2, 10-14, 20-26, 36, 50-53, 62-64, 84
In the here shared PDF with the subset, slides 30, 36, 55 and 60 are
updated to reflect the version number change from 7.0 to 7.1 (in red
color).
Vote text:
- APPROVAL of the 7.1 MARKETING PLAN, especially the ACTION ITEMS
from the aforementioned shared slides slide 27 onwards.
- The board ASKS THE TEAM, especially the marketing group with Italo
and Mike, to WORK on the aforementioned ACTION ITEMS, as they are
set forth in the PDF.
- The board ASKS THE TEAM, especially the marketing group with Italo
and Mike, to MONITOR results and RECEPTION of this marketing plan
and its action items, and COLLECT AND BRING FORWARD PROPOSALS FOR
CHANGES, REMOVALS AND ADDITIONS when necessary, especially in time
for the NEXT MAJOR RELEASES and/or snapshots, or the LATEST IN SIX
MONTHS' TIME
Notes on the vote:
- The vote on the TAG ("Label") will be sent in a separate e-mail
after this. It is marked as "TBD" (to be determined) in the slide
deck.
I now ask ALL the board members to VOTE with APPROVAL (+1),
DISAPPROVAL (-1) or ABSTAIN (0).
The vote will CLOSE
Thursday, December 10, 1800 Berlin time
Thanks to everyone for your work on the marketing plan and your
commitment to making it a success.
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Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] LibreOffice Online - repository and translations
Hi Guilhem,
thanks for your differentiated view! And let me stress again at
least from my side, this is a temporary freeze, meanwhile to engage
for new or old code contributors, so that we are able to have or to
maintain at least a "secure" code base for TDFs LOOL.
I already have started some activities for this purpose (as it is
also an independent issue from frozen or not) and I urge everybody
to help here (board, team, members, community, others) to meet this
temporary period, so yes from my side, this is the plan in my pov.
Thanks again, Guilhem, all the best,
Lothar
Am 02.12.2020 um 15:58 schrieb Guilhem
Moulin:
Hi Florian,
On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 at 12:23:22 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:
Result of vote: 3 approvals, 3 disapprovals, 1 abstain.
One deputy approves, one deputy disapproves.
As the vote is a tied vote, § 9 IV of the statutes come to effect. The
Chairperson has the deciding vote, and voted +1 to the proposal.
Therefore:
Decision: The request has been accepted.
This message is to be archived by the BoD members and their deputies.
AFAICT this outcome stems from the fact there it was a yes/no type of
vote, so yays “for a short-term period” (quoting Lothar, but there were
other BoD members with that understanding) were counted alongside
enthusiastic yays.
Given the short-term period isn't binding, in practice the vote might be
interpreted as a definitive +1. Could the BoD clarify the short-term
period and maybe even commit to revisit the vote say, before the end of
their term?
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Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] LibreOffice Online - repository and translations
Hi,
for me this is a more practical point, not to confuse with an
"active" LOOL repo where we do not expect code contributions in the
short term period and with that it is unlikely that other
contributions (non code) to this repo will come life (which is
contra productive).
Nevertheless, if frozen or not, it is far more important, that we
all try to engage old/new code contributors to the LOOL project for
TDF.
With that I see this as a short term measure to keep track and as
soon as we have these new active project it/the content should be
used again in this repo tool or the content of it in another
appropriate one/repo tool as well for non coding contributions.
So in this understanding for a short term period +1 for 1., 1b. and
2. from me.
Cheers
Lothar
Am 26.11.2020 um 11:02 schrieb Florian
Effenberger:
Hello,
last Friday, the board discussed about LibreOffice Online. [1]
During the call and in the discussions following, the request for
a vote has been expressed, which I am hereby posting to this list.
I start this here as a VOTE thread. For any discussions, please
reply in the separate DISCUSS thread, which I will initiate as
well.
The vote that has been proposed is the following:
1. to freeze (not delete) the "online" repository at TDF's git,
for the time being
1b. to switch the https://github.com/libreoffice/online
mirror to instead mirror the Collabora repo, for the time being,
and make sure we catch pull requests there, e.g. via the mentoring
alias on TDF side
2. to freeze (not delete) the translations for online in Weblate,
for the time being
The decision will then also be announced and shared with the
various community mailing lists, to keep all the projects in the
loop.
Florian
[1] Find the minutes at https://listarchives.tdf.io/i/enpAg8Q93rwP_69yePZQnKFT
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[board-discuss] About an Online move
Dear members, dear community, dear team
Nearly a few days ago we have celebrated the 10th anniversary of
LibreOffice and we are proud of the history and development,
LibreOffice took these decade.
Nowadays we are facing some tough decisions from an honourable
ecosystem partner, to move away from TDF with the online activities.
Let me, Lothar, state clearly, that I as the chairperson will not
comment on this decision here, it is their first and foremost
decision on it. And being chairman it is vital to be somehow
neutral, keeping the mission of acting as a moderator between
different interests in the community, in the membership and with its
committee, and certainly in the board and team.
But let me also point out, that overall duty here of all addressee
of this mail is for the sake of TDF as a whole, and not of or for
one single role within it. So what I do expect from every part of
this discussion and development is not to play a blackmail in any
sense. What I refer to is to argue in a way such as "If you now do
not this, I will do that ..." It is all about finding compromises
for all sides, win-win solutions, because in the long run we all
depend on each other, every part and every role in TDF.
Sadly, this current move comes in a period where we took steps to
achieve a compromise with a marketing plan in discussion, the
decision was postponed to have more time for it as the membership
and the public asked for. This plan with proposed compromises is now
obsolete in some parts and we have to see what this move now
un-knots in decisions and activities in the sake of TDF and its
underlying statutes. That is still, what I am working for in my
role, with the duty to TDF, willing to compromise between parts of
the community, but also taking steps in the sake of TDF as a whole
as needed, as parts of the community have also done in their own
duty.
TDF is meritocratic, if you want to help it or are not ok with any
step, please engage and take the responsibility in contributing in
any valuable sense. This will help the most in the next weeks,
months and years.
Thanks and all the best, stay healthy
Lothar
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Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Friday, August 14th at 1300 Berlin time (UTC+2)
Hi Kevin,
thanks for sharing your idea, sounds interesting, if I understood it
right it is the "Genossenschaft" you are mentioning?
It is worth to think about and value it if such an organisation
could help to full fill the solution for handling app store
activities and get more code contributions financed, under control
of TDF.
What about discussing the idea in the public part of the meeting
tomorrow, are you available there? I would love to have your full
name then to ask you in the meeting to say a few sentence about the
idea.
Thanks again, hopefully speaking tomorrow a bit about the idea, all
the best
Lothar Becker
Am 13.08.2020 um 16:19 schrieb Kev M:
I'm guessing based on the information
provided in the titles that the TDF is looking to set up a The
Document "Co-operative/Corporation".
If it is the case you're setting up a
business entity, may I strongly plead towards setting up a
multi-stakeholder platform co-operative instead of a
corporation?
1) CIB, Collabora, etc. would have
equal voting rights as organization members
2) Donor/subscribers would have voting
rights as personal members.
3) TDF/TDC staff would have voting
rights as worker members.
The weighting of votes could be
determined by contributions, so maybe (60% org weight, 30%
member weight, 10% worker weight).
Trebor Scholz, a german professor at
The New School in NYC is a proponent of platform co-ops and
would likely be quite interested in helping out.
There are a lot of other platform
co-op enthusiasts that would likely help with this work as well,
it would help with task 3113 (though I don't know why Heiko is
so resistant against creating an online forum like Discourse
considering the community is clamouring for it.)
There are also lots of resources online with templates, etc. to
set up a co-operative organization; in Europe the ICA (Belgium),
CICOPA (Italy), etc. would be excited to help I would imagine.
This also would be a potential revenue stream as voting
membership could be set as an annual requirement to maintain
good standing. Consider that Taz.de - a media co-op in Berlin,
is purely funded by it's members, despite the availability of
free news around the world and states.
If you'd be interested in going in this direction I'd be happy
to provide some volunteer time to assist in creation/governance.
Cheers,
Kevin
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Re: [board-discuss] Drafting "Tender for implementing support for a dedicated, built-in UNO object,inspection tool (Xray-built-in debugger)"
Seconded. The Navigator is to reach (and partially) to manipulate the instantiated objects in a concrete document, this inspection tool is far more for development purposes and also about the DOM itself, not just the instances in a concrete document. ATB Lothar Am 23.07.2020 um 09:09 schrieb Miklos Vajna: Hi Florian, On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 04:58:40PM +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: One question raised is wrt. navigator overlapping with parts of the tender. Answers and insight to that highly appreciated! My understanding is that the navigator is created for end-users, while this inspection tool would be created for consumers of the UNO API (macro authors, extension developers, etc). So indeed there is some overlap, but the two tools would rather complement each other than duplicate functionality. Regards, Miklos -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh)
[board-discuss] Discussion about options available with marketing plan draft and timetable
Dear community, thanks for the feedback on the marketing plan draft via different channels so far. We want to let you know and have you take part, as the board is discussing the options now available with that draft. In the meantime, some more feedback will be integrated in the document already and will be published on next Monday. This is still not the last chance for a change for version 7.0.0, but we will reach that point soon. The last change for all strings and tags would be possible the latest by Monday, July 20. With some preliminary phase for decision making of the board the public feedback phase on all this will end by the time of the next public board call, i.e. Friday, July 17, 1300 Berlin time. What are the realistic options so far: * Variant 1: Implementation of a marketing plan would be postponed to V7.1, as no UI changes can be made in minor releases. This would imply a longer discussion period. OR * Variant 2: Implementation of the marketing plan draft with V7.0.0 with flavour tags. At the moment it looks like, that this then would be called "Community Edition" (in change to the RC1) and with the introduction of the umbrella brand "Enterprise Edition" with explanations and pointer to ecosystem partner offerings. The feedback here we still need until the mentioned Friday, July 17, 1300 Berlin time is about all strings and tags (e.g. "Community Edition"), you can give that also in the BZ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134486 OR * Variant 3: As variant 2 above and further tweak all strings and tags for V7.1, after gaining experience and more feedback with it from V7.0. We encourage all the community to bring in your opinions further, also on the public board call (Friday, July 17, 1300 Berlin time), and all the other channels. Please be aware, that any sort of decision of the board must be made the latest at the dates stated above. Thanks so much for your input so far! All the best, and still keep healthy! Lothar chairman of the board -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh)
[board-discuss] Statement about TDC - 2020/05
This statement has been agreed on by all board members and deputies. Dear fellow members, The following communications should provide some more insights on The Document Collective (TDC) project. Let us first address one of the question that arose during one of the last public part of the Board of Directors meeting: what is the status quo of the project? The Document Collective project, as it was envisioned by the previous Board and thoroughly explained by Simon Phipps in different occasions, has been stopped mainly because of various reasons: * The designated CEO of the UK-based CIC that should have been TDC, namely Simon Phipps, communicated that he is not available for now to startup and lead this company. * We are at the moment not aware of any suitable replacement within our community who could easily fill the position of Managing Director for a CIC in the UK. * TDC as envisioned was undergoing additional legal review, even before this, due to the concerns raised by some community members and some of the new Board of Directors members, for example to build a independent entity with TDC, to be contracted by TDF, and granting it an exclusive, but revocable at the will of TDF, app store license. As such, the TDC project as originally envisioned previously will likely not happen in the future. Nonetheless, the challenges that the project was conveyed to deal with are now even more significant and the Board is very well aware of them. We are most notably referring to the issue of maintaining an OS in-store app offering (on macOS and Microsoft Windows platforms) and of getting fixes/code done with donations. A part of those challenges will get some sort of different attention from the Board of Directors, as it again committed to streamline the tendering process both with intentions, strong will and financial planning (tender streamlining has been the most voted item on the last run of rankings for the 2020 budget). Finally, with TDF being a charitable entity, its core mission is not software development, nor bug fixing; as such, it has been an issue spending donations’ money these ways. The Board is determined to have an actionable answer to these challenges as soon as possible; we are reviewing the advices we recently received from Mike Schinagl (who’s supporting us since our inception) on the options, some of which you provided yourselves with your questions during the last months. We are now putting on it our efforts at a very high priority and with the following in mind: 1 - TDF addressing these challenges directly; 2 - or creating a TDF owned/controlled company; 3 - a completely separate entity with a TM agreement. After getting the fundamental questions sorted out and possibly having some guidelines in place, at least to reduce the amount of choices that can be made, the Board of Directors will design a new proposal to be formally presented to the community through the tdf-internal mailing list; this proposal will be bound to comments and discussions from the community, so it will hopefully receive amendments and possibly other legal reviews if needed. The Board of Directors will then finally vote the redefined proposal, so it can take form and come to life. Until this new proposal is formally presented, though, I think everyone of us can agree that a public discussion should be avoided, because it would be really confusing, chaotic, difficult to manage and, in the end, inconclusive and ineffectual. So in the end we are asking for your patience while we are working on the task, as it is pretty hard to deal with, time-wise and energy-wise. Particularly regarding being in line with our bylaws a lot of details and aspects have to be thought through and discussed. As soon as a new proposal is taking form, it will be our privilege and duty to involve again anyone of you to get reviews and constructive suggestions on it. On behalf of the Board of Directors, Lothar (Chairman) -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2020-04-24
Thanks Sam, Uwe, Florian, indeed, as Florian said, this process was bespoken exactly these days, no need to be ashamed. So we clarified that process, we publicly discussed it last Friday, got a few good ideas even from you Uwe (*publishing topics of private part of board meetings and give a reason for privateness, both if possible and if not in the nature of itself). So now, thanks Sam, we as the board should now pinning some time frames at the steps of this process, so that there is an expectation management with it. Hope, this helps here further and give the impression, that all want to get better and better. Thanks again, Lothar Am 14.05.2020 um 16:21 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > Hi Sam, > > Sam Tuke wrote: >> Board: To phrase Uwe's question differently: can we on this list expect >> swifter and more comprehensive minutes in future? Could inexpensive process >> changes be made to enable that? > > on the topic on when to publish the minutes, we were indeed discussing how to > optimize and speed up the process (cf. see item #3 from the last board > call), so I assume publication to happen faster in the future. > > Florian > -- Lothar Becker - CoChair of the LibreOffice TDF Certification Committee email lothar.bec...@libreoffice.org hangout lothar.bec...@riess-app.de - skype lothar.becker (Karlsruhe) 0xAA806FF9C8EAB789.asc Description: application/pgp-keys
Re: [board-discuss] Public agenda for TDF board meeting on Friday, March 27th at 1300 Berlin time
Hi all, please let it be like communicated for today and see, how this platform performs. If it is needed I in the role of a moderator will send a mail on this channel with a "call to switch" to jitsi platform as Florian mentioned. Nevertheless my proposal is, to do the next public board meeting in 14 days in the jitis platform again, and try with some "how to" on client side.. Because independent of the platform there seems to be "best practises" like switching off video, using special kind of browser, ... Perhaps we could have a short report of the results of the test and a "Do and Do not" on client side. Hear you in approx 2 h, take care and stay healthy Lothar Am 27.03.2020 um 09:23 schrieb Cor Nouws: > Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote on 27/03/2020 08:53: > >> This is not what I expected. The last time we discussed this with BoD >> members, BBB was supposed to be the fallback. >> >> In the last test, BBB was suffering from similar issues as Jitsi: >> browser using lots of CPU cycles, certain participant periodically >> losing connection, audio stuttering. > I was happy to read about the tests done on TDF infra indeed. So to me > it looks natural to take advantage of the work of our team. > > And no doubt that I'm really grateful towards Paolo for reaching out > here too! If needed, more than happy to use that. > > Cheers, > Cor > -- Lothar Becker - CoChair of the LibreOffice TDF Certification Committee email lothar.bec...@libreoffice.org hangout lothar.bec...@riess-app.de - skype lothar.becker (Karlsruhe) 0xAA806FF9C8EAB789.asc Description: application/pgp-keys
[board-discuss] TDF and COVID
Dear fellow community members, TDF-members, team-members, LibreOffice Users, the current situation around the Corona virus is very serious all around the world. So we want to reach out to you with a short but clear message: Please take care around all activities your are planing or doing around LibreOffice and TDF (as well as for all others), not to harm yourself or others in the light of COVID. Think about travelling, meeting in persona, etc … if there are any questions about these things please come back to us, we try to support you whatever way we can, e.g. will find a way for helping with online tools if needed or with cancellations. Please take care of your and others health, Lothar and Franklin in behalf of the whole board, Florian as Executive Director -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Representation statement Lothar Becker
I, Lothar Becker, elected member and Chairperson of the Board of Directors of The Document Foundation, hereby and until further notice, nominate the following deputies to represent me during board calls and meetings, in the order set forth below: 1. Nicolas Christener 2. Paolo Vecchi In case the Deputy Chairperson is present, but not me as Chairperson of the Board, this representation statement only applies to my role as member of the Board of Directors and not to my role as Chairperson of the Board, that is then the duty of the Deputy Chairperson. In case neither the Deputy Chairperson nor me as Chairperson of the Board are available during a board call or meeting, this representation statement also applies to my role as Chairperson of the Board, unless conflict of interest or other rules prevent so. Best regards, Lothar -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Public board meeting on Friday, February 28th, 1300 Berlin time
Dear community, the new board will have its first usual public board meeting on Friday, February 28, 1300 Berlin time at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/TDFBoard *NOTE* We have a new meeting time! For time zone conversion, see e.g. https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20200228T13=37=136=241=589 As usual you are all invited to join and ask your questions! Please keep in mind, that we have a time limit for it of approx 30min from the start. If you have a specific agenda item you want to discuss about, we kindly ask to send a reply in beforehand, latest to Monday February 24th at 1800 Berlin time, so we can plan with it. Looking forward to meeting all of you! Lothar and Franklin (sorry for some overlappings cc by the lists) -- Lothar K. Becker, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint mail: lot...@documentfoundation.org phone: +49 7202 9499 001 (c/o .riess applications gmbh) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Re: Acceptance of BoD role
I, Lothar Becker, elected Director of the Board of "The Document Foundation", hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts "The Document Foundation". My term will start February 18, 2020. Signed: Lothar Becker Ich, Lothar Becker, gewähltes Mitglied des Vorstands der "The Document Foundation", nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts "The Document Foundation" an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2020. Unterzeichnet: Lothar Becker Am 09.01.2020 um 10:51 schrieb Gabriele Ponzo: > Dear Lothar, > > Let me first take this opportunity to personally congratulate you for > having been elected as member of the Board. > Then I kindly invite you to officially accept your position in the > Board by answering to this message with a "Reply all". > > I wish you a Happy New Year! > Kindest regards. > --- > Gabriele Ponzo, Chairman of the Membership Committee > The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin > Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts > Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint > > " > I, Lothar Becker, elected Director of the Board of "The Document > Foundation", hereby accept this position within the Stiftung > bürgerlichen Rechts "The Document Foundation". My term will start > February 18, 2020. > > Signed: Lothar Becker > > Ich, Lothar Becker, gewähltes Mitglied des Vorstands der "The Document > Foundation", nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts > "The Document Foundation" an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2020. > > Unterzeichnet: Lothar Becker > " -- Lothar Becker - CoChair of the LibreOffice TDF Certification Committee email lothar.bec...@libreoffice.org hangout lothar.bec...@riess-app.de - skype lothar.becker (Karlsruhe) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Preliminary Results of 2019 Elections for next TDF Board of Directors
Thats pretty fair, Sam, thanks for your standing for the board election, too. And certainly Gabriele and his team for the operations, as you mentioned. Cu Lothar Am 13.12.2019 um 15:43 schrieb Sam Tuke: > Congratulations to the newly announced Board! > > And thank you to Gabriele for efficient operation, as usual, thus far. > > Sam -- Lothar Becker - CoChair of the LibreOffice TDF Certification Committee email lothar.bec...@libreoffice.org hangout lothar.bec...@riess-app.de - skype lothar.becker (Karlsruhe) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Just 4 candidates for the board?
Wow, a little bit more than 3 days left for nomination and just four candidates: Franklin, Daniel, Kendy and me? No others? No women? (Please correct me, if I missed one ...) Come on, it is one of the privileges of a TDF membership to vote but even to stand as candidate for the board of one of the best open source project and communities in the world. (... and it would be not just ok, I would love it, that out of this message coming other new candidates which in consequence means that there are not enough votes for myself ;-) If you want transparency, you have to deal with it. ... excited to see, what happens the next three days, all the best Lothar -- Lothar Becker - CoChair of the LibreOffice TDF Certification Committee email lothar.bec...@libreoffice.org hangout lothar.bec...@riess-app.de - skype lothar.becker (Karlsruhe) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Re: Declaration of candidacy for the board
Dear TDF-members, even that a lot of you know me in the one or other role mentioned in my candidacy below, if there are any questions or messages to me about the candidacy for the board please do not hesitate to ask it here or in private mail, can't guarantee to answer promt but will do my very best. Thanks and have a nice week Lothar Am 25.10.2019 um 11:14 schrieb Lothar K. Becker: > Dear TDF-members, > > I hereby declare my candidacy for the board. > > This is a logical consequence - I think - of my long-term contributions > to the project. A lot of you know me > as owner of .riess applications, which was the first partner of Sun for > doing migration business with > StarOffice/OpenOffice nearly 20 years ago. > > You might also know me from my contributions with activities for the > national and international ecosystem, > developing the certification process for LibreOffice professionals with > others, where I nowadays serve as > volunteer co-chair of the certification committee. > > This gives me the chance to give something back for a lot of things I > got out of this project. It‘s not just in the > sense of making business, but in the sense of experiencing a healthy and > powerful community of an open > source project. As I'm also engaged in the German-based Open Source > Business Alliance as speaker of the > working group of public affairs and co-speaker of the working group for > interoperability, there are a lot of > topics where I can leverage each engagement through the other in the > interest of all. > > Helping and driving activities in the sense of growing local communities > internationally (India, Africa, Asia, > as well as European communities for recovering) and activating more > exchange of ideas between the > community and the board are some of the challenges I see for the next > board period. > > That is what you could expect from me as a board member of one of the > greatest open source projects in > the world, which I want to help growing and getting better every day. If > you also see the importance of these > for lasting healthy next years of TDF, please give me your vote. > > My full name: Lothar K. Becker > > E-Mail: lothar.bec...@riess-app.de > > Affiliation: .riess applications gmbh > > 75 word statement: > > I‘ve been with LibreOffice/OpenOffice.org for nearly 20 years. One of my > most important experiences is that > it is of highest priority to have a good balance between developers and > non-developers, affiliated and volunteers, > national and international groups as well as transparency between board > and community. I praise diversity, > openness and working together. I always aim to bridge between these > angles, especially as I'm sometimes > more or less part of such an angle. > > Best regards, > Lothar > -- Lothar Becker - CoChair of the LibreOffice TDF Certification Committee email lothar.bec...@libreoffice.org hangout lothar.bec...@riess-app.de - skype lothar.becker (Karlsruhe) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Declaration of candidacy for the board
Dear TDF-members, I hereby declare my candidacy for the board. This is a logical consequence - I think - of my long-term contributions to the project. A lot of you know me as owner of .riess applications, which was the first partner of Sun for doing migration business with StarOffice/OpenOffice nearly 20 years ago. You might also know me from my contributions with activities for the national and international ecosystem, developing the certification process for LibreOffice professionals with others, where I nowadays serve as volunteer co-chair of the certification committee. This gives me the chance to give something back for a lot of things I got out of this project. It‘s not just in the sense of making business, but in the sense of experiencing a healthy and powerful community of an open source project. As I'm also engaged in the German-based Open Source Business Alliance as speaker of the working group of public affairs and co-speaker of the working group for interoperability, there are a lot of topics where I can leverage each engagement through the other in the interest of all. Helping and driving activities in the sense of growing local communities internationally (India, Africa, Asia, as well as European communities for recovering) and activating more exchange of ideas between the community and the board are some of the challenges I see for the next board period. That is what you could expect from me as a board member of one of the greatest open source projects in the world, which I want to help growing and getting better every day. If you also see the importance of these for lasting healthy next years of TDF, please give me your vote. My full name: Lothar K. Becker E-Mail: lothar.bec...@riess-app.de Affiliation: .riess applications gmbh 75 word statement: I‘ve been with LibreOffice/OpenOffice.org for nearly 20 years. One of my most important experiences is that it is of highest priority to have a good balance between developers and non-developers, affiliated and volunteers, national and international groups as well as transparency between board and community. I praise diversity, openness and working together. I always aim to bridge between these angles, especially as I'm sometimes more or less part of such an angle. Best regards, Lothar -- Lothar Becker - CoChair of the LibreOffice TDF Certification Committee email lothar.bec...@libreoffice.org hangout lothar.bec...@riess-app.de - skype lothar.becker (Karlsruhe) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] creation of TDC
Hi board, as MD of a company I just want to support Uwe's questions and concern about a transfer of 50K Euro without any concrete numbers for cost estimations or something like this and timeline for getting back. Perhaps that should be clarified in a bit more detailed way to the community before making a decision. When is planed to do the decision for transferring money? Unfortunately I'm not able to join the board call today, sorry for that, just want to support these questions ... will follow further process with interest as it could be a helpful idea, if it is proper and transparent set up and can be controlled by TDF at any time. All the best and have a good call today, cu Lothar -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
