[board-discuss] Splashscreen Startscreen proposals for the 4.0

2013-01-28 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello,

As the Design team has selected the startscreen and splashscreen for the
upcoming 4.0 release several members of the Board of Directors have felt
the choice was not acceptable for a variety of reasons (too white, too
simple, non-standard logo, not enough green...). 

In general it is not up to the BoD to decide on UX and designs. The
reactions to the choice of the graphical elements for the 4.0 were,
however, quite vocal. I would therefore like to ask the BoD to propose
an alternative choice (and vote on it ASAP), which would be to ship
LibreOffice 4.0 with a slightly modified 3.6.x Splashscreen and
StartCenter (the modifications being the inclusion of the number 4 on
them) and then let the Design team come up with a new design for the
rest of the 4.x branch. 

I realize that we're hijacking several processes here, but several of
the BoD members felt we had to come up with a solution. What's more, I'd
like to sincerely thank the Design team, among them Mirek and Stefan for
their relentless work and contributions; we hope that you will continue
to provide the LibreOffice project with your talent and passion.

Best regards,
-- 
Charles-H. Schulz
Co-Founder  Director, The Document Foundation,
Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany
Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts
Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint






Re: [board-discuss] Splashscreen Startscreen proposals for the 4.0

2013-01-28 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hello,

after having a call with Thorsten, and thinking a second time about it, 
I must confess that I have indeed changed my mind on this.


The board should only veto for a very limited set of topics, mostly 
legal stuff, and normally should not make use of its power as body.


I had, like others, supported a board vote in first place, and based on 
that support Charles posted this here. Thinking a second time about it 
makes me feel it was a mistake, and I'm sorry for that.


Rather, for the current discussion, let's talk between the marketing
team and the design team, at eye-level, and not with the board's
authority.

Sorry again,
Florian



Re: [board-discuss] Splashscreen Startscreen proposals for the 4.0

2013-01-28 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Florian,

Le lundi 28 janvier 2013 à 15:22 +0100, Florian Effenberger a écrit :
 Hello,
 
 after having a call with Thorsten, and thinking a second time about it, 
 I must confess that I have indeed changed my mind on this.
 
 The board should only veto for a very limited set of topics, mostly 
 legal stuff, and normally should not make use of its power as body.
 
 I had, like others, supported a board vote in first place, and based on 
 that support Charles posted this here. Thinking a second time about it 
 makes me feel it was a mistake, and I'm sorry for that.
 
 Rather, for the current discussion, let's talk between the marketing
 team and the design team, at eye-level, and not with the board's
 authority.
 


I'm against a veto, and I have written it elsewhere. I think it would be
a slap in the face of people who obviously don't deserve it. My proposal
and call to vote is very different, it is to come up with an actual
proposal. If we manage to solve it outside the board level, I'm the
first one to be happy (and I didn't like posting the call to vote this
morning); however both the timing and the fact that the initial proposal
has been merged in the main branch prompted for a Notbremse...

Best,
-- 
Charles-H. Schulz
Co-Founder  Director, The Document Foundation,
Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany
Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts
Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint






Re: [board-discuss] Splashscreen Startscreen proposals for the 4.0

2013-01-28 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com wrote:
 So, votes should happen only on mailing lists. We can decide to get the
 random opinion of users on Google+, but it should be clear that this is
 not going to have the same value as the same concept expressed on the
 mailing lists.

If I may suggest: wile I favor 'poll' to get input about what the
mebership at large thinks of different proposal... as _one kind_ of
input to the decision process.
I would rather not such poll to be 'binding' votes

Unfortunately 'logo' and other design element are prone to
bikesheeding... everybody has an opinion, everybody is an expert... so
using 'us' the membership as guinea pig to get some feed-back is one
thing.. but delegating that decision to a 'general' vote seems not
that great to me.

Norbert