Re: [steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups
Hi Drew, all Just short: I fully agree that the question of defining the LibreOffice teams and dedicated parts of the community is important. Only after this definition the question about dedicated logos should be posed. Even if I'll probably not be able contribute much to the thread, I welcome your interest in this discussion. In my first mail to this thread I already included some proposals how to look at the different teams and groups. Just leave the logo parts out of the quote: I wrote: A) ... officially supported LibreOffice teams (defined by dedicated TDF resources like http://team.libreoffice.org website or team@libreoffice.org mailing list) ... B) ... LibreOffice conference ... similar to A), even if the conference team might not be given a website or mailing lists with the names mentioned in A). C) ... regional marketing teams ... are officially approved by TDF and provided with team@marketing.libreoffice.org mailing lists ... D) Individual community members (approved by the Membership Committee) ... not allowed ... to behave like an official LibreOffice or TDF spokesperson or representative. E) Local teams based on individual community members or supporters not being approved as community members by the MC ... Perhaps you can use some of my ideas here.. drew schrieb: ... so speaking for myself I would make time this coming week to actively engage in a discussion and work on putting a draft together on the wiki with what comes out of such a discussion. Thank you very much for this offer, unfortunately my time is much more restricted than I thought some time ago... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups
Hi, Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-07-01 00.35: I tried to find a time-slot yesterday, but had no chance... Perhaps it will be possible next Saturday (9th of July). When I'll be able to see my schedule more clearer, I'll add the point to the agenda. ok, thanks a lot! Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 00:35 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Florian, all Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hi Bernhard, Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-06-10 00.25: There has been a reply by Sophie, but I didn't make out any formal SC discussion or decision on this topic. As this covers more than just design and visual identity questions (definition of teams, how to advertise teams and external groups) I don't think that this decision should be left to any of the teams like marketing or design. Hi Bernhard, I agree - but why kick it to the SC - why not start the discussion on the general discussion list and lets work out what it would mean to be a local team - what general rules folks would want in place, what responsibilities and requirements would be expected and the like. IMO right now any decision about a logo policy is premature, whether it is by your team, marketing or the SC, on this particular point - as there is still no definition of what a local team is, what it can and can not do. The use of a custom logo is only one piece of that. I know that there never seems to be enough time for these kinds of discussions, but that is never going to change - so speaking for myself I would make time this coming week to actively engage in a discussion and work on putting a draft together on the wiki with what comes out of such a discussion. It's also obvious that the clock is ticking on this issue, the folks in Paraguay are off and running from what I can see, folks (or folk) in Venezuela are eager to get going, the German team has always been in place and dominates here I'm really concerned that if only a logo use policy is put in place there is a chance for continued problems from misunderstanding what the use of such a logo will imply. Then afterwards that draft could be presented to the SC for adoption. snip Thanks, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups
Sorry guys that was supposed to be a draft - not a send... On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:24 -0400, drew wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 00:35 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Florian, all Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hi Bernhard, Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-06-10 00.25: There has been a reply by Sophie, but I didn't make out any formal SC discussion or decision on this topic. As this covers more than just design and visual identity questions (definition of teams, how to advertise teams and external groups) I don't think that this decision should be left to any of the teams like marketing or design. Hi Bernhard, I agree - but why kick it to the SC - why not start the discussion on the general discussion list and lets work out what it would mean to be a local team - what general rules folks would want in place, what responsibilities and requirements would be expected and the like. IMO right now any decision about a logo policy is premature, whether it is by your team, marketing or the SC, on this particular point - as there is still no definition of what a local team is, what it can and can not do. The use of a custom logo is only one piece of that. I know that there never seems to be enough time for these kinds of discussions, but that is never going to change - so speaking for myself I would make time this coming week to actively engage in a discussion and work on putting a draft together on the wiki with what comes out of such a discussion. It's also obvious that the clock is ticking on this issue, the folks in Paraguay are off and running from what I can see, folks (or folk) in Venezuela are eager to get going, the German team has always been in place and dominates here I'm really concerned that if only a logo use policy is put in place there is a chance for continued problems from misunderstanding what the use of such a logo will imply. Then afterwards that draft could be presented to the SC for adoption. snip Thanks, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups
So the finished email follows: On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:35 -0400, drew wrote: Sorry guys that was supposed to be a draft - not a send... On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:24 -0400, drew wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 00:35 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Florian, all Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hi Bernhard, Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-06-10 00.25: There has been a reply by Sophie, but I didn't make out any formal SC discussion or decision on this topic. As this covers more than just design and visual identity questions (definition of teams, how to advertise teams and external groups) I don't think that this decision should be left to any of the teams like marketing or design. Hi Bernhard, I agree - but why kick it to the SC - why not start the discussion on the general discussion list and lets work out what it would mean to be a local team - what general rules folks would want in place, what responsibilities and requirements would be expected and the like. IMO right now any decision about a logo policy is premature, whether it is by your team, marketing or the SC, on this particular point - as there is still no definition of what a local team is, what it can and can not do. The use of a custom logo is only one piece of that. I know that there never seems to be enough time for these kinds of discussions, but that is never going to change - so speaking for myself I would make time this coming week to actively engage in a discussion and work on putting a draft together on the wiki with what comes out of such a discussion. It's also obvious that the clock is ticking on this issue, the folks in Paraguay are off and running from what I can see, folks (or folk) in Venezuela are eager to get going, the German team has always been in place and hold a dominate position in our organization precisely because they where able to form a strong team, focused on their specific and local concerns during the previous decade. I'm really concerned that if only a logo use policy is put in place there is a chance for continued problems from misunderstanding what the use of such a logo will imply. Then afterwards that draft could be presented to the SC for adoption. snip Thanks, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE : Re: [steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups
Hello Drew, That's fine, you're making some good points :-) I look forward to this discussion. Best, Charles. Le 1 juil. 2011, 7:25 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com a écrit : So the finished email follows: On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:35 -0400, drew wrote: Sorry guys that was supposed to be a draft - not a... place and hold a dominate position in our organization precisely because they where able to form a strong team, focused on their specific and local concerns during the previous decade. I'm really concerned that if only a logo use policy is put in place there is a chance ... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups
Hi Bernhard, Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-06-10 00.25: There has been a reply by Sophie, but I didn't make out any formal SC discussion or decision on this topic. As this covers more than just design and visual identity questions (definition of teams, how to advertise teams and external groups) I don't think that this decision should be left to any of the teams like marketing or design. can you maybe put it on the agenda on one of the SC calls, maybe one you can attend? Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups
Hi Bernhard, Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-06-10 00.25: There has been a reply by Sophie, but I didn't make out any formal SC discussion or decision on this topic. As this covers more than just design and visual identity questions (definition of teams, how to advertise teams and external groups) I don't think that this decision should be left to any of the teams like marketing or design. I'll try to discuss this during the next SC call. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups
Hi Florian, * Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hi Bernhard, Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-05-16 23.31: Therefore I'd like to propose my position as starting point for a SC discussion, leading to a decision we can base our work on and upload to the wiki for future reference. currently working on some older mails... has this already been adressed? There has been a reply by Sophie, but I didn't make out any formal SC discussion or decision on this topic. As this covers more than just design and visual identity questions (definition of teams, how to advertise teams and external groups) I don't think that this decision should be left to any of the teams like marketing or design. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups
Hi Bernhard, Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-05-16 23.31: Therefore I'd like to propose my position as starting point for a SC discussion, leading to a decision we can base our work on and upload to the wiki for future reference. currently working on some older mails... has this already been adressed? Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups
Hello SC members and deputies, there has been a request to use a dedicated LibreOffice logo for a local team at Venezuela, that has not been replied by now in a way that I know what kind of logo is appreciated for such a group. Therefore I'd like to propose my position as starting point for a SC discussion, leading to a decision we can base our work on and upload to the wiki for future reference. What I think is: All officially supported dedicated team logos should consist of - the main LibreOffice logo - the team's name (and short name, if applicable) - an area for a graphic especially designed for this team (team related branding element) For consistency and branding reasons the main visual element should be the LibreOffice logo and the other elements should be positioned in the same area for all the teams. Such a template should be provided by the Design team and can be based on any community members ideas. A) Dedicated logos for officially supported LibreOffice teams (defined by dedicated TDF resources like http://team.libreoffice.org website or team@libreoffice.org mailing list) should contain the logo with TDF subline. B) Logos for LibreOffice conference are similar to A), even if the conference team might not be given a website or mailing lists with the names mentioned in A). C) Logos for regional marketing teams should contain the line .. Marketing Team, but as these teams are officially approved by TDF and provided with team@marketing.libreoffice.org mailing lists, their logo should contain the TDF subline too. D) Individual community members (approved by the Membership Committee) should be allowed to use a logo without TDF containing a subline Community member. This logo could be placed as button on their external website or on a business card (following a design to be provided among our branding resources). This logo is not allowed to be used to behave like an official LibreOffice or TDF spokesperson or representative. E) Local teams based on individual community members or supporters not being approved as community members by the MC should use a logo that contains Supporter of or team name for (e.g. Venezuelan user group for LibreOffice). These logos should respect the branding guidelines (especially background color and whitespace area), but are more free in their design. The design team will provide a template for such logos too. I'd like to create drafts for each of these logos during the next days, but perhaps you can already understand what I mean: Official TDF/LibreOffice teams should get an official logo to identify them. Individuals, supporters and non-official teams can use the LibreOffice logo based on the branding guidelines (and on the trademark policy), but not as approval for any official status - except the status as TDF community member. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
