Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hello, Florian Effenberger wrote on 2011-08-12 11:02: if we do so, are there any objections to my proposed trademark policy change? Here it is again for convenience: the changes are now in effect. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi, Michael Meeks wrote on 2011-08-16 16:16: So - FWIW, IMHO all of this is a bit over complicated; the more text we add the weaker the policy. I would personally rather prefer to subset our TM policy to the name 'LibreOffice' and the associated marks; and then have some other blurb about when using the TDF mark is allowable - which could be much looser, and separate. OTOH, this is an improvement I guess. that might make sense. To proceed, I propose I now incorporate the changes if nobody objects by tomorrow, and we then still can work on a new version in the near future. So, if anyone vetoes to my latest draft (http://www.mail-archive.com/steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg01443.html), please let me know by tomorrow, otherwise I will publish it in the wiki, thus modifying our official trademark policy. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 11:02 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: if we do so, are there any objections to my proposed trademark policy change? Here it is again for convenience: So - FWIW, IMHO all of this is a bit over complicated; the more text we add the weaker the policy. I would personally rather prefer to subset our TM policy to the name 'LibreOffice' and the associated marks; and then have some other blurb about when using the TDF mark is allowable - which could be much looser, and separate. OTOH, this is an improvement I guess. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
On 12 Aug 2011, at 10:02, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Caolan McNamara wrote on 2011-08-11 12:26: Alright, swap the logos, default to non TDF one. if we do so, are there any objections to my proposed trademark policy change? Here it is again for convenience: old version: == Proper Form: TDF marks should be used in their exact form, neither abbreviated nor combined with any other word or words. TDF has a set of acceptable logos for general use. If you are not sure where they are please inquire on our lists. Only the logos that bear the exact mention of the software name with the mention “The Document Foundation” are reserved for the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation or DVD labels officially stemming from the Document Foundation. You may not use this set of logos but only the logos bearing the software name without the Document Foundation's mention. == new version: == Proper Form: TDF marks should be used in their exact form, neither abbreviated nor combined with any other word or words. TDF has a set of acceptable logos for general use. If you are not sure where they are please inquire on our lists. The logos that bear the exact mention of the software name with the mention The Document Foundation are reserved for two purposes: * the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation or on official materials from the legal entity itself * the use within the Projects of the Community - like documentation, marketing or website - when the respective work is prepared and coordinated openly and transparently, on the appropriate communication channels, following the Foundation's and Community's principles /Example: A publisher working on a documentation with a few selected community members is not eligible for use of logos with the mention The Document Foundation, whereas the documentation team itself may freely use it for any project that is coordinated on its mailing lists. You may not use this set of logos for other than the above purposes, but only the logos bearing the software name without the Document Foundation's mention. == I think this is the correct approach and believe that it will avoid the problems that led to the IceWeasel fork of Firefox. S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi Tom, all! A quick note ... mis-using the steering-discuss being an SC deputy. Am Mittwoch, den 10.08.2011, 10:35 +0100 schrieb Tom Davies: Sounds good to me but i'm curious about the Branding Team's thoughts on this. Italo? I'm not Italo, but I'm one of those who (with Bernhard, Nik, Ivan, ...) developed the today's branding. Personally, I would be happy if we could ship the non-tagline logo - and add the tagline on demand. This will make things more simple and even more visually attractive. When we worked on the motif design, Nik already made a draft how this could look like: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/b/b3/ScatterInContext_bunch.jpg So +1 to the proposal. One thing that - then - needs to be addressed is the todays tagline logo. Later this year, I'd like to propose a small revision to make non-tagline and tagline logo more consistent. Cheers, Christoph From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, 10 August, 2011 9:25:05 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy Hi, Andre Schnabel wrote on 2011-08-08 13:17: ... our default logos in the source tree use the TDF tagline (at least this was when I last did a build from source), but the tagged logo should be used for instance on .. software builds compiled by the Document Foundation. Imho quite easy to resolve: use the community logos per default for builds from source. Enable the Logo with TDF tagline on build time and tell people to use this only when doing builds that are supposed to be distributed via TDF resources. that indeed sounds like a senseful idea. What do others think? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi, Von: Charles-H. Schulz I'd +1 Thorsten's short summary, but does it work with Debian rules? yes - it daoes, bacuse ... Le 10 août 2011 14:34, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : The tm rule then boils down to: stuff from the official tdf/libo website - TDF mark permitted. Stuff from elsewhere: TDF mark not permitted, unless permission explicitely granted. Debian can just use the LibreOffice logo (without TDF tagline), as they build from source without major modifications. Again - the only problem i see is that the TDF-tagged Logo is the default. And - we already have two logos, so there is no additional effort in creating and maintaining a second logo. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 14:31 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Caolan McNamara wrote: Imho quite easy to resolve: use the community logos per default for builds from source. Enable the Logo with TDF tagline on build time and tell people to use this only when doing builds that are supposed to be distributed via TDF resources. that indeed sounds like a senseful idea. What do others think? Its the logical conclusion. Do we think this is a desirable thing however ? rather than a corner the rules paint us into that force maintainable of duplicate logos, etc. It makes the whole thing much more consistent, therefore it makes a lot of sense to me. The tm rule then boils down to: stuff from the official tdf/libo website - TDF mark permitted. Stuff from elsewhere: TDF mark not permitted, unless permission explicitely granted. Alright, swap the logos, default to non TDF one. a) The current with TDF logos are the ones in default_images/brand for the about box, the splashscreen and the backing window b) We have a --with-intro-bitmap and --with-about-bitmap for custom splash and about pngs c) So move the current ones to e.g. a TDF brand dir, grab the non-TDF pngs from somewhere and stick those into the generic dir d) Then for all the distro-config/*conf where the vendor is The Document Foundation add --with-intro-bitmap/--with-about-bitmap to point them to the TDF branded ones So... a) Where are the appropriate non-TDF about, intro *and* backing window images ? Do they exist somewhere already ? b) Looks like we don't have an option for selecting an alternative set of backing window pngs (default_images/brand/shell) ? Is there another way to do that already, or should we re-work and simplify --with-intro-bitmap and --with-about-bitmap to be a single --with-brand-images which points to a dir that contains a full set of intro, about and backing window images C. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi :) Thanks for jumping in there :) I hoped there were other people from Branding around or at least other people that might have some vague idea about the issues. It's ok for the rest of us to guess but it's better to have the right answers from the right people because there is a strong chance of the rest of us getting it wrong and falling into 'obvious' traps. Italo was the only name i knew for certain. Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thu, 11 August, 2011 7:08:01 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy Hi Tom, all! A quick note ... mis-using the steering-discuss being an SC deputy. Am Mittwoch, den 10.08.2011, 10:35 +0100 schrieb Tom Davies: Sounds good to me but i'm curious about the Branding Team's thoughts on this. Italo? I'm not Italo, but I'm one of those who (with Bernhard, Nik, Ivan, ...) developed the today's branding. Personally, I would be happy if we could ship the non-tagline logo - and add the tagline on demand. This will make things more simple and even more visually attractive. When we worked on the motif design, Nik already made a draft how this could look like: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/b/b3/ScatterInContext_bunch.jpg So +1 to the proposal. One thing that - then - needs to be addressed is the todays tagline logo. Later this year, I'd like to propose a small revision to make non-tagline and tagline logo more consistent. Cheers, Christoph From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, 10 August, 2011 9:25:05 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy Hi, Andre Schnabel wrote on 2011-08-08 13:17: ... our default logos in the source tree use the TDF tagline (at least this was when I last did a build from source), but the tagged logo should be used for instance on .. software builds compiled by the Document Foundation. Imho quite easy to resolve: use the community logos per default for builds from source. Enable the Logo with TDF tagline on build time and tell people to use this only when doing builds that are supposed to be distributed via TDF resources. that indeed sounds like a senseful idea. What do others think? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi, Andre Schnabel wrote on 2011-08-08 13:17: ... our default logos in the source tree use the TDF tagline (at least this was when I last did a build from source), but the tagged logo should be used for instance on .. software builds compiled by the Document Foundation. Imho quite easy to resolve: use the community logos per default for builds from source. Enable the Logo with TDF tagline on build time and tell people to use this only when doing builds that are supposed to be distributed via TDF resources. that indeed sounds like a senseful idea. What do others think? Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 10:25 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Andre Schnabel wrote on 2011-08-08 13:17: ... our default logos in the source tree use the TDF tagline (at least this was when I last did a build from source), but the tagged logo should be used for instance on .. software builds compiled by the Document Foundation. Imho quite easy to resolve: use the community logos per default for builds from source. Enable the Logo with TDF tagline on build time and tell people to use this only when doing builds that are supposed to be distributed via TDF resources. that indeed sounds like a senseful idea. What do others think? Its the logical conclusion. Do we think this is a desirable thing however ? rather than a corner the rules paint us into that force maintainable of duplicate logos, etc. C. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 14:31 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Caolan McNamara wrote: Imho quite easy to resolve: use the community logos per default for builds from source. Enable the Logo with TDF tagline on build time and tell people to use this only when doing builds that are supposed to be distributed via TDF resources. that indeed sounds like a senseful idea. What do others think? Its the logical conclusion. Do we think this is a desirable thing however ? rather than a corner the rules paint us into that force maintainable of duplicate logos, etc. It makes the whole thing much more consistent, therefore it makes a lot of sense to me. The tm rule then boils down to: stuff from the official tdf/libo website - TDF mark permitted. Stuff from elsewhere: TDF mark not permitted, unless permission explicitely granted. +1 So, if OpenSUSE wants to use the TDF logo in the distro all they need do tis ask - but if 3 guys on an IRC channel decide to roll their own Linux Distro, then on day one it would be the Community Logo. [Side note - hopefully when future decisions are made to allow commercial operators to use the TDF mark the community will be involved in that decision, in some way] //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
I'd +1 Thorsten's short summary, but does it work with Debian rules? Best, Charles. Le 10 août 2011 14:34, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : Caolan McNamara wrote: Imho quite easy to resolve: use the community logos per default for builds from source. Enable the Logo with TDF tagline on build time and tell people to use this only when doing builds that are supposed to be distributed via TDF resources. that indeed sounds like a senseful idea. What do others think? Its the logical conclusion. Do we think this is a desirable thing however ? rather than a corner the rules paint us into that force maintainable of duplicate logos, etc. It makes the whole thing much more consistent, therefore it makes a lot of sense to me. The tm rule then boils down to: stuff from the official tdf/libo website - TDF mark permitted. Stuff from elsewhere: TDF mark not permitted, unless permission explicitely granted. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi, Tom Davies wrote on 2011-08-10 16:45: if it could be that simple then it would be easy to give quick answers to requests. I'm not sure what the relevance of Debian is. Could there be an agreement now to allow any distro in the top 100 (or just top 50?) at DistroWatch http://distrowatch.com to use 'the proper' logos and splash-screen rather than the community versions. Any other distros that contact TDF could be dealt with one at a time but it might help to have a blanket agreement covering the most popular ones. I would not give general permissions. Permissions that are different from the standard policy should always be granted on an individual basis / case-by-case basis. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi :) Good point. There are a LOT of distros out there so perhaps it might be best to save up applications until there is a batch to work through to help with work-flow. Anyway, there is no point worrying about this unless the TDF suddenly gets swamped with tons of requests and that would give the batch anyway! lol Ok, lets forget this suggestion and get back to what this thread was really about before i side-tracked it (apols) :) Regards from Tom :) From: drew d...@baseanswers.com To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, 10 August, 2011 16:15:44 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 17:06 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Tom Davies wrote on 2011-08-10 16:45: if it could be that simple then it would be easy to give quick answers to requests. I'm not sure what the relevance of Debian is. Could there be an agreement now to allow any distro in the top 100 (or just top 50?) at DistroWatch http://distrowatch.com to use 'the proper' logos and splash-screen rather than the community versions. Any other distros that contact TDF could be dealt with one at a time but it might help to have a blanket agreement covering the most popular ones. I would not give general permissions. Permissions that are different from the standard policy should always be granted on an individual basis / case-by-case basis. +1 It would make sense I suppose, looking at Linux distro's for instance, to construct a reasonably simple mechanism for non-commercial users to request the logo - perhaps a web form, the request could be sent to a mailing list, a standing practice _could_ be to allow use after some period of days after request assuming no one objects. (just a off the top of the head thought) //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
On Sat, 2011-08-06 at 18:43 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Caolan, I think we got that covered already in the text... Or am I wrong? I thought it was such that the default logos (with TDF on it) could be used under the substantially unchanged concept. But on re-reading, it reads more like the implication is that it can be called LibreOffice under the substantially unchanged concept, but that death to anyone using the TDF tagline ? I'm not super-attached to the TDF tagline for distro/personal builds, but I am attached to using the default logos, whichever they are, for distro/personal builds. C. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi, Von: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Hmm, if that confuses you, it will confuse otgers. I htink, what is confusing here is that ... Le 8 août 2011 11:50, Caolan McNamara cao...@skynet.ie a écrit : I'm not super-attached to the TDF tagline for distro/personal builds, but I am attached to using the default logos, whichever they are, for distro/personal builds. ... our default logos in the source tree use the TDF tagline (at least this was when I last did a build from source), but the tagged logo should be used for instance on .. software builds compiled by the Document Foundation. Imho quite easy to resolve: use the community logos per default for builds from source. Enable the Logo with TDF tagline on build time and tell people to use this only when doing builds that are supposed to be distributed via TDF resources. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi, Tom Davies wrote on 2011-08-06 13:54: Has the marketing or Branding team (or reps here) approved of either this version or the original? Since both have very much the same meanings i think approval of either would be good enough. everyone involved should be subscribed to the steering-discuss list, so they can give their comments if they want. :) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi :) I think Italo would have alerted us if there was a problem. Or someone else if he hadn't noticed it. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Sun, 7 August, 2011 11:59:15 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy Hi, Tom Davies wrote on 2011-08-06 13:54: Has the marketing or Branding team (or reps here) approved of either this version or the original? Since both have very much the same meanings i think approval of either would be good enough. everyone involved should be subscribed to the steering-discuss list, so they can give their comments if they want. :) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hello, my other task from the last SC calls was to add a note to the trademark policy that helps in understanding when the subline can be used. My proposed change follows: old version: == Proper Form: TDF marks should be used in their exact form, neither abbreviated nor combined with any other word or words. TDF has a set of acceptable logos for general use. If you are not sure where they are please inquire on our lists. Only the logos that bear the exact mention of the software name with the mention “The Document Foundation” are reserved for the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation or DVD labels officially stemming from the Document Foundation. You may not use this set of logos but only the logos bearing the software name without the Document Foundation's mention. == new version: == Proper Form: TDF marks should be used in their exact form, neither abbreviated nor combined with any other word or words. TDF has a set of acceptable logos for general use. If you are not sure where they are please inquire on our lists. The logos that bear the exact mention of the software name with the mention The Document Foundation are reserved for two purposes: * the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation or on official materials from the legal entity itself * the use within the Projects of the Community - like documentation, marketing or website - when the respective work is prepared and coordinated openly and transparently, on the appropriate communication channels, following the Foundation's and Community's principles /Example: A publisher working on a documentation with a few selected community members is not eligible for use of logos with the mention The Document Foundation, whereas the documentation team itself may freely use it for any project that is coordinated on its mailing lists. You may not use this set of logos for other than the above purposes, but only the logos bearing the software name without the Document Foundation's mention. == Does this make things clear. Shall we embed it, or can we find an easier wording? Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi :) I think the new wording is much clearer. Bullet-points definitely helped imo. The wording seems about as smooth and straight forward as it is likely to get without changing the meanings. It's a LOT less turgid than many simialr things i have read but seems to deal with the legal and Branding issues afaik. Has the marketing or Branding team (or reps here) approved of either this version or the original? Since both have very much the same meanings i think approval of either would be good enough. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Sat, 6 August, 2011 11:47:53 Subject: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy Hello, my other task from the last SC calls was to add a note to the trademark policy that helps in understanding when the subline can be used. My proposed change follows: old version: == Proper Form: TDF marks should be used in their exact form, neither abbreviated nor combined with any other word or words. TDF has a set of acceptable logos for general use. If you are not sure where they are please inquire on our lists. Only the logos that bear the exact mention of the software name with the mention “The Document Foundation” are reserved for the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation or DVD labels officially stemming from the Document Foundation. You may not use this set of logos but only the logos bearing the software name without the Document Foundation's mention. == new version: == Proper Form: TDF marks should be used in their exact form, neither abbreviated nor combined with any other word or words. TDF has a set of acceptable logos for general use. If you are not sure where they are please inquire on our lists. The logos that bear the exact mention of the software name with the mention The Document Foundation are reserved for two purposes: * the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation or on official materials from the legal entity itself * the use within the Projects of the Community - like documentation, marketing or website - when the respective work is prepared and coordinated openly and transparently, on the appropriate communication channels, following the Foundation's and Community's principles /Example: A publisher working on a documentation with a few selected community members is not eligible for use of logos with the mention The Document Foundation, whereas the documentation team itself may freely use it for any project that is coordinated on its mailing lists. You may not use this set of logos for other than the above purposes, but only the logos bearing the software name without the Document Foundation's mention. == Does this make things clear. Shall we embed it, or can we find an easier wording? Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Caolan, I think we got that covered already in the text... Or am I wrong? Best, Charles. Le 6 août 2011 16:13, Caolan McNamara cao...@skynet.ie a écrit : On Sat, 2011-08-06 at 12:47 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: The logos that bear the exact mention of the software name with the mention The Document Foundation are reserved for two purposes: * the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation or on official materials from the legal entity itself hmm... a) Only the logos that bear the exact mention of the software name with the mention “The Document Foundation” are reserved for the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation b) You may use the Marks without prior written permission (subject to the following terms): 1. To refer to the LibreOffice software in substantially unmodified form. Substantially unmodified means built from the source code provided by TDF, possibly with minor modifications including but not limited to: the enabling or disabling of certain features by default, translations into other languages, changes required for compatibility with a particular operating system distribution, the inclusion of bug-fix patches, or the bundling of additional fonts, templates, artwork and extensions). So does a packager of LibreOffice, like Red Hat, SuSe, Debian, Ubuntu, etc and so forth who compiles it themselves for their distro, have to change the splashscreen away from the default one which has The Document Foundation in it. i.e. a or b ? C. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
