Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Hi :) It would look slightly more normal as: Please read carefully Regards from Tom :) From: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thu, 16 June, 2011 6:55:06 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes Francois Tigeot wrote: There's a small typo at the beginning of the page: Please carfeully read Thx, fixed. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Hi : Please ignore my last email. I didn't realise the words were part of a sentence rather than being the entire statement. Context is everything i should have checked. It looks good already :) Regards from Tom :) From: Francois Tigeot ftig...@wolfpond.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thu, 16 June, 2011 5:44:12 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:50:37AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: If there are no objections by tonight, I'll also change the text on the membership application page (http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/application-for-tdf-community-membership/) Done. There's a small typo at the beginning of the page: Please carfeully read -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Michael Meeks wrote: Counting votes we had: Florian, Charles, Andre, Olivier, Italo and Sophie voting in favour; so I've made all of the edits in the wiki. If there are no objections by tonight, I'll also change the text on the membership application page (http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/application-for-tdf-community-membership/) to read: Bylaws and commitment Please read the Foundation's Charter (its Bylaws and The Next Decade Manifesto), and confirm that you support the principle of an independent foundation. You should make a best-effort commitment to at least six (6) months activity within our projects. I've read the Foundation's Bylaws and The Next Decade Manifesto, and confirm that I support the principle of an independent foundation.* I'll make a best-effort commitment to contribute to the projects of TDF for at least six (6) months.* Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
+1, and thanks for thinking of it ;) Thorsten Behrens wrote on 2011-06-15 10.36: If there are no objections by tonight, I'll also change the text on -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:50:37AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: If there are no objections by tonight, I'll also change the text on the membership application page (http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/application-for-tdf-community-membership/) Done. There's a small typo at the beginning of the page: Please carfeully read -- Francois Tigeot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Hi, Michael Meeks wrote on 2011-06-13 17.19: Counting votes we had: Florian, Charles, Andre, Olivier, Italo and Sophie voting in favour; so I've made all of the edits in the wiki. thanks a lot, Michael! I will ask the German community to translate the changes back. :) Thanks to everyone who contributed! (Oh, and David, I never thought you would do the bank account thing, don't worry ;) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Hi Toki, toki wrote on 2011-06-10 19.16: When I was reading German law on non-profits, my impression was the By-Laws had to specify how members of the board of directors, and any advisory board were selected, and mid-term replacements done. I don't see anything in the by-laws that specifies how mid-term replacements are done. Is that not legally required? we have some rules on that, like Each member of the BoD must appoint one Community Member as deputy who can replace her/him in case of need, and who has the same rights during her/his period of absence or unavailability. or The Chairperson can be discharged and replaced by the BoD at any time. However, it indeed might be needed that we incorporate some more details into the binding statutes we are currently preparing. I have details on this soon. Thanks for pointing this out! Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Hi :) I think it is better to do the minimum that is required to make it legal and for the rest write in things like Mid-term replacements are to be covered by internal TDF policy which is to be reviewed regularly. In some cases it makes sense to name the specific document that will cover that particular policy but even that can make things unnecessarily restrictive in the future. Please avoid setting things in stone where it's not required by law. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tue, 14 June, 2011 8:01:36 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes Hi Toki, toki wrote on 2011-06-10 19.16: When I was reading German law on non-profits, my impression was the By-Laws had to specify how members of the board of directors, and any advisory board were selected, and mid-term replacements done. I don't see anything in the by-laws that specifies how mid-term replacements are done. Is that not legally required? we have some rules on that, like Each member of the BoD must appoint one Community Member as deputy who can replace her/him in case of need, and who has the same rights during her/his period of absence or unavailability. or The Chairperson can be discharged and replaced by the BoD at any time. However, it indeed might be needed that we incorporate some more details into the binding statutes we are currently preparing. I have details on this soon. Thanks for pointing this out! Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Hi :) I thought everyone quickly checked that sort of thing anyway? I do. I thought David was making a joke out of the need for people to be a little more aware of one need for checking such rules. A serious point put forwards as a joke. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tue, 14 June, 2011 7:56:24 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes Hi, Michael Meeks wrote on 2011-06-13 17.19: Counting votes we had: Florian, Charles, Andre, Olivier, Italo and Sophie voting in favour; so I've made all of the edits in the wiki. thanks a lot, Michael! I will ask the German community to translate the changes back. :) Thanks to everyone who contributed! (Oh, and David, I never thought you would do the bank account thing, don't worry ;) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi guys, Counting votes we had: Florian, Charles, Andre, Olivier, Italo and Sophie voting in favour; so I've made all of the edits in the wiki. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi Michael, On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 23:20, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: Hi David, Thanks for these, really makes it cleaner, I applied them all - they seem un-controversial etc. Cool, thanks. :-) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi :) Someone mailed me off-list thinking it was my comment and quoted a real-world legal case where someone had really done what you describe. It is an old joke and an obvious thing to avoid but i'm not hugely surprised one bunch of people got fooled into letting it happen! It's impossible to over-estimate human stupidity. Regards from Tom :) - Original Message From: David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Cc: steering-disc...@global.documentfoundation.org Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 6:14:45 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes HI, On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 22:22, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Otherwise, I was only going to add a clause about transferring TDF's funds into my personal bank account every 6 months... For those of you that didn't realise, that was a joke... Someone just mailed me off-list who didn't seem quite sure about that... (rofl) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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HI, On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 22:22, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Otherwise, I was only going to add a clause about transferring TDF's funds into my personal bank account every 6 months... For those of you that didn't realise, that was a joke... Someone just mailed me off-list who didn't seem quite sure about that... (rofl) -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Hello, as we are moving forward with legally setting up the foundation, and translate/adapt the bylaws into German, we noticed that some tweaks and simplifications are required - in general we feel the shorter these documents are, the better it is for understanding. Proposed change #1: --- We should replace the words moral commitment (which are rather off-putting to many with a stark view of their integrity and morals) with something softer: from: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a moral commitment to at least six (6) months activity (not counting the first three (3) months of fulfillment of qualification). to: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a best effort commitment to continuing their activity for a further six (6) months. Which I hope captures the spirit, without invoking things that cannot be predicted. Proposed change #2: --- Then a separate set of changes cleanups around the Advisory Board: * The /Donor/ definition is not referenced outside of the /Sponsor/ definition, and so should be collapsed into there. * The /Sponsor/ definition is referenced in a redundant, non-normative way by the Members/Contributors definition and should be removed. from: The Community's Members are people who contribute their time, efforts and skills independently (individual persons contributing on either a paid or unpaid basis), or who may work for Sponsors (refer to definition of Sponsors). to: The Community's Members are individuals who contribute their time, efforts and skills whether on a paid or voluntary basis. Proposed change #3: --- * Remove the Sponsors section. This is now only referred to in the Advisory Board definition and sections, and as such can be expanded there. * Expand the Advisory Board definition. from: The Advisory Board represents the Foundation's Sponsors. Each Sponsor is entitled to appoint one representative. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. to: The Advisory Board provides a forum for organisations that provide a substantial minimum level of financial, or other support as determined by the BoD to meet with the BoD and provide advice. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. Proposed change #4: --- * Re-work the Advisory Board section: from: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed by Sponsors' representatives (refer to definition of Sponsors). Each Sponsor can have no more than one representative on the Advisory Board. Each Sponsor's representative is appointed for a term of one (1) year, but can be re-appointed for a further year in office at the end of each term. The AB's primary function is to represent The Document Foundation's Sponsors, and to provide the Board of Directors with advice, guidance and proposals. to: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed, at the BoD's discretion by organisations that have made a substantial contribution to The Document Foundation. Each organisation appointing a single representative to the Advisory Board based on a yearly fee to be determined by the BoD. The AB's primary function is to represent these organisations by providing the BoD with advice, guidance and proposals. Thoughts? Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
+1 from me too Can we add some clarification for the case if AB wants to replace their representative mid way of his/her tenure ? Thank You Best Regards Varun Mittal https://www.google.com/profiles/varunmittal87 Blog http://www.varunmittal.info Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/mittal.varun LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/varunmittal87 Twitterhttp://twitter.com/varunmittal19 Uncertainty is the only Certainty of LIFE On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Florian, 2011/6/9 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Hello, as we are moving forward with legally setting up the foundation, and translate/adapt the bylaws into German, we noticed that some tweaks and simplifications are required - in general we feel the shorter these documents are, the better it is for understanding. Proposed change #1: --- We should replace the words moral commitment (which are rather off-putting to many with a stark view of their integrity and morals) with something softer: from: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a moral commitment to at least six (6) months activity (not counting the first three (3) months of fulfillment of qualification). to: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a best effort commitment to continuing their activity for a further six (6) months. Which I hope captures the spirit, without invoking things that cannot be predicted. Proposed change #2: --- Then a separate set of changes cleanups around the Advisory Board: * The /Donor/ definition is not referenced outside of the /Sponsor/ definition, and so should be collapsed into there. * The /Sponsor/ definition is referenced in a redundant, non-normative way by the Members/Contributors definition and should be removed. from: The Community's Members are people who contribute their time, efforts and skills independently (individual persons contributing on either a paid or unpaid basis), or who may work for Sponsors (refer to definition of Sponsors). to: The Community's Members are individuals who contribute their time, efforts and skills whether on a paid or voluntary basis. Proposed change #3: --- * Remove the Sponsors section. This is now only referred to in the Advisory Board definition and sections, and as such can be expanded there. * Expand the Advisory Board definition. from: The Advisory Board represents the Foundation's Sponsors. Each Sponsor is entitled to appoint one representative. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. to: The Advisory Board provides a forum for organisations that provide a substantial minimum level of financial, or other support as determined by the BoD to meet with the BoD and provide advice. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. Proposed change #4: --- * Re-work the Advisory Board section: from: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed by Sponsors' representatives (refer to definition of Sponsors). Each Sponsor can have no more than one representative on the Advisory Board. Each Sponsor's representative is appointed for a term of one (1) year, but can be re-appointed for a further year in office at the end of each term. The AB's primary function is to represent The Document Foundation's Sponsors, and to provide the Board of Directors with advice, guidance and proposals. to: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed, at the BoD's discretion by organisations that have made a substantial contribution to The Document Foundation. Each organisation appointing a single representative to the Advisory Board based on a yearly fee to be determined by the BoD. The AB's primary function is to represent these organisations by providing the BoD with advice, guidance and proposals. Thoughts? +1 on my side (they're mostly practical and editorial fixes). Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Hi, When you've made your edits, can I have permission to proofread and make minor grammar/spelling corrections? -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Hi Flo, On 09/06/2011 11:17, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, as we are moving forward with legally setting up the foundation, and translate/adapt the bylaws into German, we noticed that some tweaks and simplifications are required - in general we feel the shorter these documents are, the better it is for understanding. Proposed change #1: --- We should replace the words moral commitment (which are rather off-putting to many with a stark view of their integrity and morals) with something softer: from: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a moral commitment to at least six (6) months activity (not counting the first three (3) months of fulfillment of qualification). to: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a best effort commitment to continuing their activity for a further six (6) months. Which I hope captures the spirit, without invoking things that cannot be predicted. Proposed change #2: --- Then a separate set of changes cleanups around the Advisory Board: * The /Donor/ definition is not referenced outside of the /Sponsor/ definition, and so should be collapsed into there. * The /Sponsor/ definition is referenced in a redundant, non-normative way by the Members/Contributors definition and should be removed. from: The Community's Members are people who contribute their time, efforts and skills independently (individual persons contributing on either a paid or unpaid basis), or who may work for Sponsors (refer to definition of Sponsors). to: The Community's Members are individuals who contribute their time, efforts and skills whether on a paid or voluntary basis. Proposed change #3: --- * Remove the Sponsors section. This is now only referred to in the Advisory Board definition and sections, and as such can be expanded there. * Expand the Advisory Board definition. from: The Advisory Board represents the Foundation's Sponsors. Each Sponsor is entitled to appoint one representative. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. to: The Advisory Board provides a forum for organisations that provide a substantial minimum level of financial, or other support as determined by the BoD to meet with the BoD and provide advice. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. Proposed change #4: --- * Re-work the Advisory Board section: from: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed by Sponsors' representatives (refer to definition of Sponsors). Each Sponsor can have no more than one representative on the Advisory Board. Each Sponsor's representative is appointed for a term of one (1) year, but can be re-appointed for a further year in office at the end of each term. The AB's primary function is to represent The Document Foundation's Sponsors, and to provide the Board of Directors with advice, guidance and proposals. to: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed, at the BoD's discretion by organisations that havemade a substantial contribution to The Document Foundation. Each organisation appointing a single representative to the Advisory Board based on a yearly fee to be determined by the BoD. The AB's primary function is to represent these organisations by providing the BoD with advice, guidance and proposals. Thoughts? +1 to #1, #2, #3, #4 from my side. Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 6/9/11 10:17 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Proposed change #1: --- from: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a moral commitment to at least six (6) months activity (not counting the first three (3) months of fulfillment of qualification). to: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a best effort commitment to continuing their activity for a further six (6) months. Proposed change #2: --- from: The Community's Members are people who contribute their time, efforts and skills independently (individual persons contributing on either a paid or unpaid basis), or who may work for Sponsors (refer to definition of Sponsors). to: The Community's Members are individuals who contribute their time, efforts and skills whether on a paid or voluntary basis. Proposed change #3: --- from: The Advisory Board represents the Foundation's Sponsors. Each Sponsor is entitled to appoint one representative. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. to: The Advisory Board provides a forum for organisations that provide a substantial minimum level of financial, or other support as determined by the BoD to meet with the BoD and provide advice. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. Proposed change #4: --- from: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed by Sponsors' representatives (refer to definition of Sponsors). Each Sponsor can have no more than one representative on the Advisory Board. Each Sponsor's representative is appointed for a term of one (1) year, but can be re-appointed for a further year in office at the end of each term. The AB's primary function is to represent The Document Foundation's Sponsors, and to provide the Board of Directors with advice, guidance and proposals. to: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed, at the BoD's discretion by organisations that have made a substantial contribution to The Document Foundation. Each organisation appointing a single representative to the Advisory Board based on a yearly fee to be determined by the BoD. The AB's primary function is to represent these organisations by providing the BoD with advice, guidance and proposals. +1, approving all changes -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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2011/6/9 David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz Hi, When you've made your edits, can I have permission to proofread and make minor grammar/spelling corrections? Sure :) Charles. -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Hi Florian +1 for the 4 changes. Regards, Olivier 2011/6/9 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Hello, as we are moving forward with legally setting up the foundation, and translate/adapt the bylaws into German, we noticed that some tweaks and simplifications are required - in general we feel the shorter these documents are, the better it is for understanding. Proposed change #1: --- We should replace the words moral commitment (which are rather off-putting to many with a stark view of their integrity and morals) with something softer: from: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a moral commitment to at least six (6) months activity (not counting the first three (3) months of fulfillment of qualification). to: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a best effort commitment to continuing their activity for a further six (6) months. Which I hope captures the spirit, without invoking things that cannot be predicted. Proposed change #2: --- Then a separate set of changes cleanups around the Advisory Board: * The /Donor/ definition is not referenced outside of the /Sponsor/ definition, and so should be collapsed into there. * The /Sponsor/ definition is referenced in a redundant, non-normative way by the Members/Contributors definition and should be removed. from: The Community's Members are people who contribute their time, efforts and skills independently (individual persons contributing on either a paid or unpaid basis), or who may work for Sponsors (refer to definition of Sponsors). to: The Community's Members are individuals who contribute their time, efforts and skills whether on a paid or voluntary basis. Proposed change #3: --- * Remove the Sponsors section. This is now only referred to in the Advisory Board definition and sections, and as such can be expanded there. * Expand the Advisory Board definition. from: The Advisory Board represents the Foundation's Sponsors. Each Sponsor is entitled to appoint one representative. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. to: The Advisory Board provides a forum for organisations that provide a substantial minimum level of financial, or other support as determined by the BoD to meet with the BoD and provide advice. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. Proposed change #4: --- * Re-work the Advisory Board section: from: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed by Sponsors' representatives (refer to definition of Sponsors). Each Sponsor can have no more than one representative on the Advisory Board. Each Sponsor's representative is appointed for a term of one (1) year, but can be re-appointed for a further year in office at the end of each term. The AB's primary function is to represent The Document Foundation's Sponsors, and to provide the Board of Directors with advice, guidance and proposals. to: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed, at the BoD's discretion by organisations that have made a substantial contribution to The Document Foundation. Each organisation appointing a single representative to the Advisory Board based on a yearly fee to be determined by the BoD. The AB's primary function is to represent these organisations by providing the BoD with advice, guidance and proposals. Thoughts? Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 16:33 +0800, Varun Mittal wrote: Can we add some clarification for the case if AB wants to replace their representative mid way of his/her tenure ? I had anticipated that since the STV election process produces an ordered list - we would just select the next person in line from the list in cases of death / promotion to executive positions etc. Do you have a proposed patch making that clearer ? HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 12:31 +0300, David Nelson wrote: Cool. I'll watch this thread and write back before starting work and after finishing work. :-) Ho hum; I'm personally averse to widespread small changes - they tend not to get the level of review that is required, and we were IMHO very badly burned by the level of un-reviewed change before the bylaws were frozen; that then required extensive expenditure of time (that is still ongoing) to get them into better shape. Personally, I'd like to see all such changes posted here for some sanity checking first along with some justification. We have code review during code freezes, even more so legalese review. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Michael Meeks wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 16:33 +0800, Varun Mittal wrote: Can we add some clarification for the case if AB wants to replace their representative mid way of his/her tenure ? I had anticipated that since the STV election process produces an ordered list - we would just select the next person in line from the list in cases of death / promotion to executive positions etc. I understand Varun's question to refer to the advisory board - for that, I'd personally not have any issue with having a sponsoring entity exchange their member - it should be at their discretion? For the board, I agree with you - just pick the next from the STV rank order. For the changes proposed by Florian: +1 Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thu, 9 June, 2011 9:17:13 Subject: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes Hello, as we are moving forward with legally setting up the foundation, and translate/adapt the bylaws into German, we noticed that some tweaks and simplifications are required - in general we feel the shorter these documents are, the better it is for understanding. Proposed change #1: --- We should replace the words moral commitment (which are rather off-putting to many with a stark view of their integrity and morals) with something softer: from: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a moral commitment to at least six (6) months activity (not counting the first three (3) months of fulfillment of qualification). to: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a best effort commitment to continuing their activity for a further six (6) months. Which I hope captures the spirit, without invoking things that cannot be predicted. Proposed change #2: --- Then a separate set of changes cleanups around the Advisory Board: * The /Donor/ definition is not referenced outside of the /Sponsor/ definition, and so should be collapsed into there. * The /Sponsor/ definition is referenced in a redundant, non-normative way by the Members/Contributors definition and should be removed. from: The Community's Members are people who contribute their time, efforts and skills independently (individual persons contributing on either a paid or unpaid basis), or who may work for Sponsors (refer to definition of Sponsors). to: The Community's Members are individuals who contribute their time, efforts and skills whether on a paid or voluntary basis. Proposed change #3: --- * Remove the Sponsors section. This is now only referred to in the Advisory Board definition and sections, and as such can be expanded there. * Expand the Advisory Board definition. from: The Advisory Board represents the Foundation's Sponsors. Each Sponsor is entitled to appoint one representative. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. to: The Advisory Board provides a forum for organisations that provide a substantial minimum level of financial, or other support as determined by the BoD to meet with the BoD and provide advice. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. Proposed change #4: --- * Re-work the Advisory Board section: from: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed by Sponsors' representatives (refer to definition of Sponsors). Each Sponsor can have no more than one representative on the Advisory Board. Each Sponsor's representative is appointed for a term of one (1) year, but can be re-appointed for a further year in office at the end of each term. The AB's primary function is to represent The Document Foundation's Sponsors, and to provide the Board of Directors with advice, guidance and proposals. to: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed, at the BoD's discretion by organisations that havemade a substantial contribution to The Document Foundation. Each organisation appointing a single representative to the Advisory Board based on a yearly fee to be determined by the BoD. The AB's primary function is to represent these organisations by providing the BoD with advice, guidance and proposals. Thoughts? Florian Hi :) +1 I'm not a member or anything so my opinion doesn't count but i especially liked point 2. Point 1 is not perfect grammar but probably translates well. The rest of the points are great too but 2 is my favourite. Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 13:24 +0300, David Nelson wrote: I recall that people were requested to read the bylaws properly before voting on the original draft... :-P That was not possible at a time of extreme workload, when so much changed so quickly right before approval and then was blessed as 'gospel' :-) ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
From: David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thu, 9 June, 2011 11:24:02 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes Hi Michael, On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 13:15, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: Ho hum; I'm personally averse to widespread small changes - they tend not to get the level of review that is required, and we were IMHO very badly burned by the level of un-reviewed change before the bylaws were frozen; that then required extensive expenditure of time (that is still ongoing) to get them into better shape. Personally, I'd like to see all such changes posted here for some sanity checking first along with some justification. We have code review during code freezes, even more so legalese review. I recall that people were requested to read the bylaws properly before voting on the original draft... :-P I would only make strictly *spelling and grammatical* corrections, nothing more. Do I have an OK for that? David Nelson Hi :) I think it is a good idea to do a spelling and grammar check although i suspect that Florian has probably already flagged up the only 4 issues. It would be good for a native En-Us speaker to double-check jic. Given that registration will be done in Germany it is more important to get the German translation reasonably perfect rather than the En-Us version. Alfresco seem to be a great place for storing documents in a way that allows people to reviews and create a working notes file so that when a particular document/rule/guideline/policy is scheduled for review the changes could be discussed and possibly added (if agreed). Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi David, David Nelson wrote on 2011-06-09 12.24: I recall that people were requested to read the bylaws properly before voting on the original draft...:-P I would only make strictly*spelling and grammatical* corrections, nothing more. Do I have an OK for that? thanks for the offer! The problem is a legal one: The current German translation is based on the bylaws, and the more we change, the more work it is. However, if it is solely about spelling and grammar, I am of course happy to hear your changes, that would indeed be much appreciated. I ask you to *not* do them in the wiki, but rather send me an ODT with tracking changes offlist, so I can review and incorporate them, at the same time translating into German for our lawyer. I cannot promise all changes can make it into the edited bylaws, but let's see. Would that be an option? Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
Hi, +1 for all of the proposed changes. regards, André Am 09.06.2011 10:17, schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, as we are moving forward with legally setting up the foundation, and translate/adapt the bylaws into German, we noticed that some tweaks and simplifications are required - in general we feel the shorter these documents are, the better it is for understanding. Proposed change #1: --- We should replace the words moral commitment (which are rather off-putting to many with a stark view of their integrity and morals) with something softer: from: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a moral commitment to at least six (6) months activity (not counting the first three (3) months of fulfillment of qualification). to: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a best effort commitment to continuing their activity for a further six (6) months. Which I hope captures the spirit, without invoking things that cannot be predicted. Proposed change #2: --- Then a separate set of changes cleanups around the Advisory Board: * The /Donor/ definition is not referenced outside of the /Sponsor/ definition, and so should be collapsed into there. * The /Sponsor/ definition is referenced in a redundant, non-normative way by the Members/Contributors definition and should be removed. from: The Community's Members are people who contribute their time, efforts and skills independently (individual persons contributing on either a paid or unpaid basis), or who may work for Sponsors (refer to definition of Sponsors). to: The Community's Members are individuals who contribute their time, efforts and skills whether on a paid or voluntary basis. Proposed change #3: --- * Remove the Sponsors section. This is now only referred to in the Advisory Board definition and sections, and as such can be expanded there. * Expand the Advisory Board definition. from: The Advisory Board represents the Foundation's Sponsors. Each Sponsor is entitled to appoint one representative. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. to: The Advisory Board provides a forum for organisations that provide a substantial minimum level of financial, or other support as determined by the BoD to meet with the BoD and provide advice. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. Proposed change #4: --- * Re-work the Advisory Board section: from: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed by Sponsors' representatives (refer to definition of Sponsors). Each Sponsor can have no more than one representative on the Advisory Board. Each Sponsor's representative is appointed for a term of one (1) year, but can be re-appointed for a further year in office at the end of each term. The AB's primary function is to represent The Document Foundation's Sponsors, and to provide the Board of Directors with advice, guidance and proposals. to: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed, at the BoD's discretion by organisations that havemade a substantial contribution to The Document Foundation. Each organisation appointing a single representative to the Advisory Board based on a yearly fee to be determined by the BoD. The AB's primary function is to represent these organisations by providing the BoD with advice, guidance and proposals. Thoughts? Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes
From: David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Cc: steering-disc...@global.documentfoundation.org Sent: Thu, 9 June, 2011 20:22:51 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] proposed bylaws changes Hi Florian, On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:17, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, as we are moving forward with legally setting up the foundation, and translate/adapt the bylaws into German, we noticed that some tweaks and simplifications are required - in general we feel the shorter these documents are, the better it is for understanding. Proposed change #1: --- We should replace the words moral commitment (which are rather off-putting to many with a stark view of their integrity and morals) with something softer: from: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a moral commitment to at least six (6) months activity (not counting the first three (3) months of fulfillment of qualification). to: Every membership applicant must have been active for at least three (3) months, and should make a best effort commitment to continuing their activity for a further six (6) months. Which I hope captures the spirit, without invoking things that cannot be predicted. best-effort Proposed change #2: --- Then a separate set of changes cleanups around the Advisory Board: * The /Donor/ definition is not referenced outside of the /Sponsor/ definition, and so should be collapsed into there. * The /Sponsor/ definition is referenced in a redundant, non-normative way by the Members/Contributors definition and should be removed. from: The Community's Members are people who contribute their time, efforts and skills independently (individual persons contributing on either a paid or unpaid basis), or who may work for Sponsors (refer to definition of Sponsors). to: The Community's Members are individuals who contribute their time, efforts and skills whether on a paid or voluntary basis. and skills, whether on a paid or voluntary basis. (Just adds a comma.) Proposed change #3: --- * Remove the Sponsors section. This is now only referred to in the Advisory Board definition and sections, and as such can be expanded there. * Expand the Advisory Board definition. from: The Advisory Board represents the Foundation's Sponsors. Each Sponsor is entitled to appoint one representative. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. to: The Advisory Board provides a forum for organisations that provide a substantial minimum level of financial, or other support as determined by the BoD to meet with the BoD and provide advice. For more information, see Advisory Board under Governance. organizations (US spelling, like everywhere else in the bylaws.) minimum level of financial or other support, as determined by the BoD, to meet with the BoD and provide advice. (Minor punctuation changes.) Proposed change #4: --- * Re-work the Advisory Board section: from: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed by Sponsors' representatives (refer to definition of Sponsors). Each Sponsor can have no more than one representative on the Advisory Board. Each Sponsor's representative is appointed for a term of one (1) year, but can be re-appointed for a further year in office at the end of each term. The AB's primary function is to represent The Document Foundation's Sponsors, and to provide the Board of Directors with advice, guidance and proposals. to: The Advisory Board [AB] is staffed, at the BoD's discretion by organisations that have made a substantial contribution to The Document Foundation. Each organisation appointing a single representative to the Advisory Board based on a yearly fee to be determined by the BoD. The AB's primary function is to represent these organisations by providing the BoD with advice, guidance and proposals. organization / organizations (US spelling.) That's it... pretty painless, no? ;-P I've proofread the rest of the bylaws in the past so many times I don't think there are any / many spelling / grammar errors in them. Otherwise, I was only going to add a clause about transferring TDF's funds into my personal bank account every 6 months... David Nelson Hi :) Yup +1 I always try to use Uk spellings but i think this has to be American :( Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
