Re: [boinc_dev] 7.10 client release

[Jord van der Elst]

I think that you should get your priorities straight first, David. You
released a BOINC 7.8 onto the community and don't do anything about
aftercare, documentation, or release notes/version history.

What I dislike the most about this new setup is that you go ahead with
releasing a version, despite there being two or three people with
objections about it, and that when the community comes to the forums with
the problems, that that same community can go and figure out what is wrong
and how to fix that. There have been plenty of reports now about major bugs
in this client, or omissions of code, or omissions of fixes, severe
problems with VirtualBox.

What happens to some users out there is that they lose their complete data
directory before they can continue with a previous version. That means that
we released an Alpha version, because only on Alpha's do we expect that
things can go so bad that you can lose all your work.

In my opinion, the Release Manager has some more responsibility than just
throwing a new version onto the community: when there are problems out in
the world that you try to debug them with the community and where necessary
build a new version that fixes most of those problems; debug, fix, release,
debug, fix, release; until everything is somewhat stable again. Or if
that's too much work, officially remove the buggy version and go back to
the previous stable.

You don't just ignore the problems in the field, leave that to the
community to debug and meanwhilst go test a new version. Because when you
do it like that, the community will quickly quit trying to do anything with
this program again, because their complaints about it go unheard and it's
becoming unworkable. Meanwhilst, the helpers on the forums get the brunt of
your way of doing things, they get yelled at when it doesn't work, they get
pointed at as 'those cannot help me'.

So, please, work with us instead of against us, let's try to be one
community instead of the several. Really let's try to get 7.8 fixed first,
or go back to 7.6, but don't just blunder on and go test a new version when
the old version is wreaking havoc out there.


-- Jord van der Elst.

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 11:47 PM, David Anderson 
wrote:

> Master has a number of improvements relative to 7.8.2,
> so I'd like to make a release branch and start testing soon.
>
> Is there any work in progress that I should wait for?
>
> Thanks -- David
> ___
> boinc_dev mailing list
> boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu
> https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev
> To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and
> (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
>
___
boinc_dev mailing list
boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu
https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev
To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and
(near bottom of page) enter your email address.

Re: [boinc_dev] 7.10 client release

[Juha Sointusalo]

On 18 September 2017 at 00:47, David Anderson 
wrote:

> Master has a number of improvements relative to 7.8.2,
> so I'd like to make a release branch and start testing soon.
>
> Is there any work in progress that I should wait for?
>

I broke client's logging and I'd like to fix it before the next version.
Please wait a few days.

-Juha
___
boinc_dev mailing list
boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu
https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev
To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and
(near bottom of page) enter your email address.

Re: [boinc_dev] 7.10 client release

[Richard Haselgrove]

The non-starting client problem seems to have been caused by a batch of CPDN 
simulations - specifically WAH2 PNW - with 51 upload files. First report of a 
successful restart with that task removed. So, provided the under-sized buffer 
fix is included in the build - that's "client: eliminate possible buffer 
overflow in reporting result errors", Aug 16, 8e78576 and b355a13, already 
merged into master - we should be good for a test. 

On Monday, 18 September 2017, 12:15, Richard Haselgrove 
 wrote:
 

 We are getting a few sporadic reports, so far with inadequate details, of both 
Linux and OS X client crashes using v7.8.2, which leave even older clients 
(after re-installation) unable to start. It appears that the crashes are 
possibly triggered by an application crash, but as yet it's unclear why that 
should take out BOINC as well - my working hypothesis is file corruption, but I 
have no direct evidence yet.
It might be worth holding off on new releases while this issue is still 
unexplained. 

    On Sunday, 17 September 2017, 23:50, Charlie Fenton 
 wrote:
 

 As I wrote earlier, I'm working on screensaver fixes for compatibility with 
Mac OS 10.13 High Sierra. But it will be a few more days or a week before that 
is ready for testing, so don't hold off on 7.10 for that. I'll merge it into 
both master and the branch after the pull request is approved.

I likely will also want to merge these into a hot-fix version 7.8.3 for Mac 
only with the screensaver changes before 7.10 is ready for public release, 
since OS 10.13 is set for public release on September 25.

At the same time, I will be submitting a tech support request tonight with 
Apple asking if there is a better way to fix the problem than the one I have 
been working on. Ideal of course would be a fix that does not require any 
changes to the project graphics apps, but I'm not too hopeful for that. 

(As I wrote before, I expect the fix I am currently working on to only require 
the projects to rebuild their existing graphics apps with the new libraries 
that I will supply; no changes to the project's code should be needed. It will 
of course also involve changes to the BOINC screensaver coordinator included 
with the BOINC Mac installer.)

Cheers,
--Charlie

On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:47 PM, David Anderson  wrote:
> Master has a number of improvements relative to 7.8.2,
> so I'd like to make a release branch and start testing soon.
> 
> Is there any work in progress that I should wait for?
> 
> Thanks -- David
> ___
> boinc_dev mailing list
> boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu
> https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev
> To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and
> (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
> 

___
boinc_dev mailing list
boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu
https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev
To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and
(near bottom of page) enter your email address.


  
___
boinc_dev mailing list
boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu
https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev
To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and
(near bottom of page) enter your email address.


   
___
boinc_dev mailing list
boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu
https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev
To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and
(near bottom of page) enter your email address.

Re: [boinc_dev] 7.10 client release

[Richard Haselgrove]

We are getting a few sporadic reports, so far with inadequate details, of both 
Linux and OS X client crashes using v7.8.2, which leave even older clients 
(after re-installation) unable to start. It appears that the crashes are 
possibly triggered by an application crash, but as yet it's unclear why that 
should take out BOINC as well - my working hypothesis is file corruption, but I 
have no direct evidence yet.
It might be worth holding off on new releases while this issue is still 
unexplained. 

On Sunday, 17 September 2017, 23:50, Charlie Fenton 
 wrote:
 

 As I wrote earlier, I'm working on screensaver fixes for compatibility with 
Mac OS 10.13 High Sierra. But it will be a few more days or a week before that 
is ready for testing, so don't hold off on 7.10 for that. I'll merge it into 
both master and the branch after the pull request is approved.

I likely will also want to merge these into a hot-fix version 7.8.3 for Mac 
only with the screensaver changes before 7.10 is ready for public release, 
since OS 10.13 is set for public release on September 25.

At the same time, I will be submitting a tech support request tonight with 
Apple asking if there is a better way to fix the problem than the one I have 
been working on. Ideal of course would be a fix that does not require any 
changes to the project graphics apps, but I'm not too hopeful for that. 

(As I wrote before, I expect the fix I am currently working on to only require 
the projects to rebuild their existing graphics apps with the new libraries 
that I will supply; no changes to the project's code should be needed. It will 
of course also involve changes to the BOINC screensaver coordinator included 
with the BOINC Mac installer.)

Cheers,
--Charlie

On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:47 PM, David Anderson  wrote:
> Master has a number of improvements relative to 7.8.2,
> so I'd like to make a release branch and start testing soon.
> 
> Is there any work in progress that I should wait for?
> 
> Thanks -- David
> ___
> boinc_dev mailing list
> boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu
> https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev
> To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and
> (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
> 

___
boinc_dev mailing list
boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu
https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev
To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and
(near bottom of page) enter your email address.


   
___
boinc_dev mailing list
boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu
https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev
To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and
(near bottom of page) enter your email address.

Re: [boinc_dev] 7.10 client release

[Charlie Fenton]

As I wrote earlier, I'm working on screensaver fixes for compatibility with Mac 
OS 10.13 High Sierra. But it will be a few more days or a week before that is 
ready for testing, so don't hold off on 7.10 for that. I'll merge it into both 
master and the branch after the pull request is approved.

I likely will also want to merge these into a hot-fix version 7.8.3 for Mac 
only with the screensaver changes before 7.10 is ready for public release, 
since OS 10.13 is set for public release on September 25.

At the same time, I will be submitting a tech support request tonight with 
Apple asking if there is a better way to fix the problem than the one I have 
been working on. Ideal of course would be a fix that does not require any 
changes to the project graphics apps, but I'm not too hopeful for that. 

(As I wrote before, I expect the fix I am currently working on to only require 
the projects to rebuild their existing graphics apps with the new libraries 
that I will supply; no changes to the project's code should be needed. It will 
of course also involve changes to the BOINC screensaver coordinator included 
with the BOINC Mac installer.)

Cheers,
--Charlie

On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:47 PM, David Anderson  wrote:
> Master has a number of improvements relative to 7.8.2,
> so I'd like to make a release branch and start testing soon.
> 
> Is there any work in progress that I should wait for?
> 
> Thanks -- David
> ___
> boinc_dev mailing list
> boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu
> https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev
> To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and
> (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
> 

___
boinc_dev mailing list
boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu
https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev
To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and
(near bottom of page) enter your email address.