hrw: suicide bombing crimes againt humanity
http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/11/01/human.rights.palestinians/ind ex.html Human Rights Watch: Suicide bombers guilty of war crimes GAZA CITY (CNN) -- Those who plan and carry out suicide bombings that deliberately target civilians are guilty of crimes against humanity and must be brought to justice, a leading humanitarian watchdog group said in a report released Friday. The 170-page report from New York-based Human Rights Watch assessed the suicide bombing operations of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), the groups that have claimed responsibility for most recent suicide bombings. The report says the leaders of such groups should face criminal investigation. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
vileness vs vileness
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Re: suicide bombing crimes againt humanity
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/11/01/human.rights.palestinians/ind ex.html Human Rights Watch: Suicide bombers guilty of war crimes GAZA CITY (CNN) -- Those who plan and carry out suicide bombings that deliberately target civilians are guilty of crimes against humanity and must be brought to justice, a leading humanitarian watchdog group said in a report released Friday. The 170-page report from New York-based Human Rights Watch assessed the suicide bombing operations of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), the groups that have claimed responsibility for most recent suicide bombings. The report says the leaders of such groups should face criminal investigation. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/01/international/middleeast/01MIDE.html?ex= 1036818000en=3a6aa645d4807ad3ei=5062partner=GOOGLE ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Was Democracy Just A Moment
On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 01:35:47AM -0500, Kevin Tarr wrote: In 97-98 this may have been true about Russia, but isn't Russia much better now? The hostage debacle isn't a good example, but I think recently Russia is starting to work. It hasn't failed. In the meantime, China has stayed the same, or at least not improved. I think it was mostly referring to the economy, wasn't it? It would be hard to measure and compare standard of living between Russia and China, I guess. Anyway, China's GDP is groing at about 7.8% now, and is projected to grow at 7.4% next year, according to the Economist. Russia's GDP is growing at 4.0% now, and projected to grow at 4.2% next year. So, they both look to be doing okay (China's GDP numbers are probably less reliable than Russia's). But a large part of China's GDP is manufacturing, whereas Russia is exporting a lot of oil. I'd say the manufacturing is a better long-term way to improve an economy. But time will tell. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dinging plans (was RE: test)
Julia Thompson wrote: clarification of Peter Principle available upon request Not necessary in my case. The Principal of my school is called Peter Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
C.J.Cherryh's Timeline [was: I think I am becoming obsessed...]
Julia Thompson wrote: No, but I know who did it. Go to my Timeline of Everything at... http://www.geocities.com/albmont/timeline.htm I hope the link isn't dead If you mean the link to Edgar Governo's page, it doesn't have that universe. No, I had a direct link to the C.J.Cherryh's timeline. Unfortunately, it's a dead link. Yikes. I guess _all_ links expire after 3 or 4 years :-/ Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Water conservation
Much of Australia is currently in the grip of a major drought. Except the are I live, (South Gippsland in Victoria) is lush green so has not affected the local cockies (farmers) yet. Anyway, desperate times call for desperate measures... quoted from ABC News *Victorians urged to shower together* Victorian Environment Minister Sherryl Garbutt has urged Victorians to shower together. Ms Garbutt, the minister responsible for water restrictions in Victoria, says even those not in a relationship could find a sympathetic friend and shower together to save thousands of litres of water over the summer. I would urge Victorians to share their shower, she has told Melbourne's Herald Sun newspaper. It is a very popular idea around my office for people to be showering with a friend, she said. It is a great way to add to the overall water savings. Water restrictions take effect in Melbourne from today for the first time in 20 years. How likely is this to lead to water saving Still I guess we must all make sacrifices for the greater good when our government requests. Any volunteers? :-) Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
At 18:41 30-10-2002 -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: As for what I said, well, personal attacks doesn't ever let anyone 'win' an argument/discussion. So I fail to see what the big deal is. Those personal attacks tend to have quite a lot of effect on the list as a whole -- and not exactly a positive effect... Only when they are reacted to. If you ignore them (and one should if one is wise) they have almost zero effect on anything beyond the attackers karma. OTOH, if someone decides to stop posting (in a specific thread, or altogether) because of personal attacks against him/her, it will send a message to the attacker that personal attacks are in fact effective weapons for silencing people one disagrees with. If the attacker does not get criticised by others for his behaviour (let alone *punished* for it), it also sends a message to the attacker that launching personal attacks is acceptable behaviour. I do not think we should be sending such messages. Sticking your head in the sand and hoping the problem will go away has never been a good approach. Jeroen Flamethrower ready, sir! van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 18:41 30-10-2002 -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: As for what I said, well, personal attacks doesn't ever let anyone 'win' an argument/discussion. So I fail to see what the big deal is. Those personal attacks tend to have quite a lot of effect on the list as a whole -- and not exactly a positive effect... Only when they are reacted to. If you ignore them (and one should if one is wise) they have almost zero effect on anything beyond the attackers karma. OTOH, if someone decides to stop posting (in a specific thread, or altogether) because of personal attacks against him/her, it will send a message to the attacker that personal attacks are in fact effective weapons for silencing people one disagrees with. If the attacker does not get criticised by others for his behaviour (let alone *punished* for it), it also sends a message to the attacker that launching personal attacks is acceptable behaviour. Actually, if X responds to the message, but ignores the personal attack part, that gives the message that the personal attack part isn't going to bother X, and some people will be less likely to make personal attacks against X. And the perception of most people will be that X is being quite reasonable, and the person making the personal attack isn't, and the general sympathy will be in X's favor, and if it looks like it's necessary to defend either X or the attacker, people will be more likely to come down on the side of X. And merely dropping out of a thread might have the results you indicate, but if X drops out of the thread after posting, I choose not to debate someone using these tactics, it sends a message that the attacker's behavior has been noted and condemned. If the attacker then turns attention to someone else, and the same sort of message is sent as a reason for *that* person not responding to the attacker, the message is strengthened. It's not so much *what* is done (dropping out of the thread, or at least that part of it) but *how* it is done (a short, reasoned post explaining *why* X is no longer going to respond to that attacker). If enough people stop responding to the attacker, but continue to debate among each other, the *general* tone of things will likely improve greatly. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water conservation
Ray Ludenia wrote: Much of Australia is currently in the grip of a major drought. So are we in Brazil :-/ But maybe the rains of the past three days will soften the drought. Except the are I live, (South Gippsland in Victoria) is lush green so has not affected the local cockies (farmers) yet. Anyway, desperate times call for desperate measures... *Victorians urged to shower together* How likely is this to lead to water saving Showering together usually makes the showering time four to ten times longer O:-) Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Response in the Style of Jeroen Re: Our Friends at the UN
At 00:41 31-10-2002 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: Also note that his previous postings on the UN suggest that he believes non-democratic countries should not have a vote in the more-or-less democratic UN because those countries are not democratic themselves. Actually, I have never stated this. I have stated that I believe that the UN should not be the referee in this particular dispute, and I have also stated that the one-country one-vote principle for all countries is a very good principle for the UN to use for certain of its roles - the most important of which I consider to be its role as a talking-shop for all countries. Excellent! The posting style, that is (no comments on the content). You really should continue to (as per the subject header) respond in the style of Jeroen: write calm and reasonable replies, rather than turn to personal attacks, and explain why you disagree with someone's arguments, while only attacking the other person's arguments instead of the poster himself. Good going, John! There is hope for you yet! :-) So, what do we have here? We have one hell of an inconsistency in JDG's beliefs. When Cameroon (which he calls a dictatorship) might vote *against* America's proposal, he is opposed to a dictatorship having a vote (which may or may not be a decisive vote). Yet, when an other dictatorship (Singapore) votes in favour of what the US wants, he has no problem with it that said country is a dictatorship... This is not true at all. I simply stated what the projections of the votes in the UNSC was.Not once did I state that I had no problem with Singapore voting in favor of the US resolution. True, but you also have not stated that you *do* have a problem with it. At the same time, however, you have been critical of the fact that dictatorships would have a vote in anything. Indeed, I believe that I have argued that the US need not be putting a vote to the UNSC at all. So, tell me, if the US ignores pretty much the rest of the world and unilaterally decides to start a war against Iraq, will the rest of the world be spared the whining and complaining from the US when bombs start going off throughout the US and mushroom clouds appear over Washington DC en NYC? I hope that you will retract your insulting description of my arguments as inconsistent, as well as all of your inaccurate descriptions of my opinions. John Less Insults, More Thoughts Giorgis Odd words, when coming from someone who has a very long history of using insults to silence others... Jeroen Make love, not war van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Jeroen's Etiquette Guidelines Re: Our Friends at the UN
At 01:28 31-10-2002 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: So, what do we have here? We have one hell of an inconsistency in JDG's beliefs. I can't help but wonder if right after the part about You must always answer every question posed to you in Jeroen's etiquette guidelines, if there just might not be anoter guideline to the effect of You must at least pretend to be rationally logical when writing posts. Where on the WWW did you find Jeroen's etiquette guidelines? Please provide the URL. It must have been an other Jeroen, because I certainly never published such a document. Now, something from the Brin-L Etiquette Guidelines (and something that has been pointed out to you many times over the years, although it had little or no effect): When you disagree with someone, attack the argument, not the poster. Jeroen Shape up or shut up van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Dinging plans (was RE: test)
Behalf Of Jean-Louis Couturier If ever you work in close contact with marketing, look at some of the people gravitating around the director or VP. De : Nick Arnett [mailto:narnett;mccmedia.com] Hey! I've been both! (Director and VP of marketing, that is.) LOL! And you've never encountered suck-ups who thought that laughing at your jokes was a better way to success than actual competence? My hat's off to you, you may very well be a special breed of Marketing Management which actually uses methods other than pure BS. Ding. Ding. Ding. :-( And I was just starting to like you! Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Got back from early voting a little while ago
I went and did early voting this morning. I voted for at least 1 candidate of each party represented on my ballot. (And I did a write-in.) :) (No, there were no Reform Party candidates, just Rep.s, Dem.s, Lib.s and Greens.) If you are registered to vote in the US, be sure you vote on Tuesday (unless you do early voting like I did). I don't care about *who* you vote for; even if you're in my precinct (which I don't think anyone is, unless there's a lurker living close by), or just in my state, and you vote against every single candidate I voted for, you should take advantage of your right to vote and have some sort of say in who represents you in your government. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 11:10:36AM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: If you are registered to vote in the US, be sure you vote on Tuesday (unless you do early voting like I did). I don't care about *who* you vote for; even if you're in my precinct (which I don't think anyone is, unless there's a lurker living close by), or just in my state, and you vote against every single candidate I voted for, you should take advantage of your right to vote and have some sort of say in who represents you in your government. True. Unless, of course, you live in one of the approximately 415 Congressional districts where the race has already been decided by devious re-drawing of the districts. According to a recent Economist article, out of 435 races for US House of Rep., only about 20 are competitive. 4 of those are in Iowa (Iowa has 5 total seats in the House), and Iowa is the only state that has a non-partisan committee determine the districts (although Arizona recently passed a referendum to do that). In a typical democracy, about 20% of the Congressional/Parliament races are competitive, in the U.S. this year, that number is only 4%. Depressingly, I haven't seen much news about this, and none of the candidates I have an opportunity to vote for have made district-drawing reform an issue. I have to do some more research, but I am going to try to find a non-profit group that lobbies/campaigns for this type of reform, and donate some money and maybe some time to them (that is the only way I can think of to get a vote, since the re-districting has taken it away). -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
Julia Thompson wrote: I voted for at least 1 candidate of each party represented on my ballot. (And I did a write-in.) :) (No, there were no Reform Party candidates, just Rep.s, Dem.s, Lib.s and Greens.) Uh? Could you spare some time to explain what this means to those whose voting system is simple? :-) Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Hamas threatens U.S.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20021101-10543241.htm Hamas threatens U.S. U.S. intelligence agencies are on the lookout for terrorists from the Palestinian group Hamas to carry out attacks in the United States. The group has been blamed for numerous deadly bombings in Israel. An intelligence report sent to Bush administration officials recently said the group, also known as the Islamic Resistance Movement, is expanding outside Israel and targeting the United States, according to intelligence officials. Hamas is planning operations in the U.S., one official told us. Hamas was formed in 1987 as part of the Muslim Brotherhood, a radical Islamic group. It is based primarily in the Gaza Strip and some areas of the West Bank. The group has not carried out attacks outside Israel but does fund raising abroad, including in Europe and the United States. It is backed financially by Iran, Saudi Arabia and other Arab states. A U.S. official said the intelligence report is uncorroborated, but noted that the threat is something to be taken seriously. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
J. van Baardwijk wrote: And then of course there is this little thing called freedom of speech. The First Amendment in the U.S. protects you from the GOVERNMENT. If your prospective employer doesn't want controversy, he doesn't have to hire you if he thinks you'll bring it. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water conservation
In a message dated 11/1/2002 11:16:49 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not if they shower with a member of the opposite-to-their-sexual-preference sex. Are there that many prisons in Australia? Just go to the store and buy handiwipes 144 at a time. William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Water conservation
From: Ray Ludenia [mailto:lud;tpg.com.au] Much of Australia is currently in the grip of a major drought. *Victorians urged to shower together* Victorian Environment Minister Sherryl Garbutt has urged Victorians to shower together. Why can't we ever had drought's like this in the midwest? grin - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Some things are too good to last
From: J. van Baardwijk [mailto:j.vanbaardwijk;chello.nl] First, an employer who would use a couple of e-mails as a reason to not hire a person, would be a lousy employer anyway. If he uses that sort of methods, he is likely to use other questionable reasons as well to decide whether or not to fire an employee (such as how often does this employee leave his desk to get some coffee? and I am a smoker -- is this employee opposed to smoking?). Not the kind of employer *I* would want to work for. I have posted the last time this comes up that this is not true. As a person who has done hiring, when you have a stack of resumes 6 inches high for a position that are all basically identical you are looking for reasons *NOT* to hire some of them. A web search that brings up something like this might cause that resume to go into the no pile. I don't believe that makes me a bad employer or change the way I'm going to deal with someone once I do hire them. They are completely different things. Second, it would not make any difference if I would put such messages on a website, because those messages are already a matter of public record (they are available from at least two on-line archives). Last time I checked, neither of those archives shows up when you do a google search. A page on your website probably would. - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Sublimation (Was: Re: Response in the Style of Jeroen Re: OurFriends at the UN)
Jeroen Make love, not war van Baardwijk *Grin* Are you trying to tell us something? Could all the antagonism you both are showing outwardly for each other be indicative of hidden yet *gasp* inappropriate romantic feelings? Jon GSV Wasn't gonna go there yet I did. :-) VFP Perhaps this will stem the spray of testosterone Guess I'll have to buy Flame Repellent (and take *that* any way you like) Maru _ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
John D. Giorgis posited: A UNSC made up of America, Russia, China, India, the EU, Mexico, and Egypt as permanent members, and another 18 countries rotating in and out. De : Jim Sharkey [mailto:templar569;excite.com] This is a pretty interesting idea John. It sounds fair and reasonably representative of the world at large. Nice work. Indeed it is, although I think that the Arabs' importance is a bit overdone. I would rather see a permanent member be from black Africa which is a sizable portion of the world population. South Africa is better respected on the continent and it is a democracy. Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
From: Jim Sharkey [mailto:templar569;excite.com] John D. Giorgis posited: A UNSC made up of America, Russia, China, India, the EU, Mexico, and Egypt as permanent members, and another 18 countries rotating in and out. This is a pretty interesting idea John. It sounds fair and reasonably representative of the world at large. Nice work. Would all of these permanent members have a veto? If not, which ones would? - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
John D. Giorgis posited: A UNSC made up of America, Russia, China, India, the EU, Mexico, and Egypt as permanent members, and another 18 countries rotating in and out. De : Horn, John [mailto:JHorn;healthlink.com] Would all of these permanent members have a veto? If not, which ones would? And if they do, could we hope for a toned down veto where a veto could not be used if all of the other permament members agree on a motion? Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [LINK] Baby's named a bad, bad thing...
In a message dated 11/1/2002 2:29:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Callahan-I think it could work for a boy or girl, but they had it listed as girl Will she be a rogue cop tracking down a serial killer using a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, capable of blowing your head clean off? Well, will she, punk? Bartender. And the shots will not stop at five or six. William Taylor -- C'mell would be a good girl's middle name. Hey Smelly! would not make it a good first name. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water conservation
In a message dated 11/1/2002 2:22:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I noticed that golf courses managed to get exemptions, and new sod/seed was _still_ being laid in new subdivisions. :P What is the percentage of golf courses there that use tap water instead of reclaimed water? Tucson's getting a bit better on this aspect. William Taylor Golf on TV? Not without the land mines. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 12:22 PM 11/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 11:10:36AM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: If you are registered to vote in the US, be sure you vote on Tuesday (unless you do early voting like I did). I don't care about *who* you vote for; even if you're in my precinct (which I don't think anyone is, unless there's a lurker living close by), or just in my state, and you vote against every single candidate I voted for, you should take advantage of your right to vote and have some sort of say in who represents you in your government. True. Unless, of course, you live in one of the approximately 415 Congressional districts where the race has already been decided by devious re-drawing of the districts. According to a recent Economist article, out of 435 races for US House of Rep., only about 20 are competitive. 4 of those are in Iowa (Iowa has 5 total seats in the House), and Iowa is the only state that has a non-partisan committee determine the districts (although Arizona recently passed a referendum to do that). In a typical democracy, about 20% of the Congressional/Parliament races are competitive, in the U.S. this year, that number is only 4%. Depressingly, I haven't seen much news about this, and none of the candidates I have an opportunity to vote for have made district-drawing reform an issue. I have to do some more research, but I am going to try to find a non-profit group that lobbies/campaigns for this type of reform, and donate some money and maybe some time to them (that is the only way I can think of to get a vote, since the re-districting has taken it away). Erik Reuter What's the best thing about Google? Finding other people who spell as bad as you do, you get links with the misspelled word right there for the whole world to see! Anyway I was trying to find an updated map for PA, but only found old ones: http://www.pacul.org/Governmentaffairs/pamap.htm Found half of a new map: (See the world Clinton on the right above center? There's a town underneath there, where I'm from. All the big squares around it are forest and hills.) http://www.post-gazette.com/popup.asp?img=/images2/20020104congressdist.gif There is a huge race here that is down to the wire tight. Gekas(R) vs. Holden(D). The Repubs in the state combined their two districts 17 and 6, I guess figuring Gekas would win easily. Holden is a conservative Dem, so it's hard for the fence sitters to decide either way. It looks like the other seat was lost in the central region. I'm not disagreeing with you Erik, but redistricting isn't easy. Here in PA we lost two seats, we've been losing at least two seats every ten years since 1950 when we had 32. The main problem is the big cities are losing the people but they still have enough to force the big rural districts to be even bigger to balance the population. The article that accompanies the second map says the new western districts have a population difference of only 15 between the largest and the smallest, one vote = one vote as mandated by congress, or 646,000 votes = 646,015 votes. But 15 municipalities had to be split to get it, and the obvious convoluted map. Another question: is it good to have a competitive race everywhere, for the state? You interest is in the right place, but imagine if Iowa elects four new members for it's five seats. They will have no real clout for the next two years. I'm not saying incumbents are great, but there is power gained the more years they are in there. (Plus those new members each earn a new pension, while an incumbent would get a smaller raise in their pension. We need to give away more money for more years? ;-) Not being nosey, but do you support voting early? I don't, only for disease and travel. You know how many votes are thrown out because they didn't matter in some races? Making it easier for people to vote hasn't increased the turnout has it? (Doesn't stop people from complaining). Kevin T. Starting to ramble, going to see Signs in 30 minutes ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Berlin
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash1.htm Berliners protest move to put 'Jewish' back into street name 11/01/2002 17:39:09 Berlin (dpa) - Crowds of angry residents in Berlin Friday protested attempts to return a road to its pre-Nazi-era name of Jewish Street, with several shouting, ``The Jews have made us suffer enough.'' The protest began peacefully enough Friday afternoon when about 40 people turned out to protest the changing of Kinkel Strasse to Jueden Strasse, which had been approved by the Berlin city council. Local residents, particularly several retailers, said they had not been adequately informed about the name change and they resented the inconvenience of changing business cards and s. The protest turned ugly, however, when representatives of Berlin's Jewish community arrived for the formal name-changing ceremonies. Then there were chants of ``You Jews have had enough say'' and ``The Jews have made us suffer enough.'' Jewish Community Chairman Alexander Brenner attempted to fend off the attacks as TV camera crews filmed the scene, but as the vehemence rose, he responded, ``You people are siding yourselves with the Nazis with such remarks,'' and turned and left. Afterward, several retailers said the confrontation had been taken over by neo-Nazis. ``I heard someone shout terrible things at him,'' one retailer told SFB television. ``I heard someone say, 'You Jews are to blame for the German plight,' and that is a horrible thing to hear. I was absolutely appalled.'' Other businesspeople said they had come to protest the fact that the street name was being changed at all and were not concerned that it involved a Jewish name. ``I've had a business on this street for 39 years and object to having to change all my business cards and make new s now,'' one business owner said. ``I don't care what the city council has decided the new name should be; I just want it to remain as it has been.'' Jueden Strasse was the name of the road until the Nazis changed it in the 1930s to an Aryan name. After World War II, it was changed to Kinkel Strasse in honour of a resistance fighter. The move to return the street its historical name came after the Social Democrats gained control of the Berlin city government last year. Developing... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
Horn, John wrote: From: Jim Sharkey [mailto:templar569;excite.com] John D. Giorgis posited: A UNSC made up of America, Russia, China, India, the EU, Mexico, and Egypt as permanent members, and another 18 countries rotating in and out. This is a pretty interesting idea John. It sounds fair and reasonably representative of the world at large. Nice work. Would all of these permanent members have a veto? If not, which ones would? Good question. But as John said, none of the current permanent members are likely to give up their vetoes, at the very least. I'm not sure if he intended to extend to the new members he suggests. I think having *more* vetoes rather than less would make the UNSC more ineffectual, though. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: C.J.Cherryh's Timeline [was: I think I am becoming obsessed...]
Here's the link I use to C.J. Cherryh's timelines: http://www.cherryh.com/www/chrona1.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 8:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: C.J.Cherryh's Timeline [was: I think I am becoming obsessed...] Julia Thompson wrote: No, but I know who did it. Go to my Timeline of Everything at... http://www.geocities.com/albmont/timeline.htm I hope the link isn't dead If you mean the link to Edgar Governo's page, it doesn't have that universe. No, I had a direct link to the C.J.Cherryh's timeline. Unfortunately, it's a dead link. Yikes. I guess _all_ links expire after 3 or 4 years :-/ Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 07:34 PM 11/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: In a message dated 11/1/2002 5:01:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: going to see Signs in 30 minutes Tick tick tick tick... Back yet? Never understood the hype. Foreshadowing of the solution was too obvious. William Taylor - and you didn't even need the salt. Check on the website: Signs 7:30. Reality Spy kids 7:00, Signs 9:00 I drove four blocks for nothing! Kevin T. It is cold here, I walk in the summer. When I'm not late. When it's not raining. When I can't find a parking space. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
At 03:10 PM 11/1/2002 -0500 Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: Indeed it is, although I think that the Arabs' importance is a bit overdone. I would rather see a permanent member be from black Africa which is a sizable portion of the world population. South Africa is better respected on the continent and it is a democracy. South Africa could conceivably be considered for a permanent UNSC seat in such a scenario, but the Arab bloc is huge at the UN. Although they are not formally an official region, they Arab bloc has standing agreements with the African and Asian blocs to ensure that there is always an Arab nation on the UNSC. It is virtually impossible to consider UNSC reform without some sort of concession to begin formally representing the Arab/Muslim world on the UNSC. If Egypt is not given a permanent seat, then South Africa is indeed the next-most logical candidate from Africa - although there is still quite a bit of resentment for South Africa around the African bloc, in large part due to its apartheid heritage, and also due to its comparitively large size. Such a scenario is possible, though, if Poland, the Czech Rep., Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, and Bulgaria (and maybe even the other former Yugoslav Republics) formally jump ship from the Eastern European bloc to the Western European and Other bloc.This might cause the UN to scrap the EE bloc altogether and create a new Arab bloc out of the African and Asian blocs. Thus, the addition of non-permanent seats that are formally reserved for Arab states might still produce the necessary compromise. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
In a message dated 11/1/2002 5:46:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Check on the website: Signs 7:30. Reality Spy kids 7:00, Signs 9:00 I drove four blocks for nothing! Kevin T. It is cold here, I walk in the summer. When I'm not late. When it's not raining. When I can't find a parking space. You ain't supposed to read this until after you've seen the movie. Oh well. You cannot be in tract housing. Nearest theater to me is 2.5 miles--which I never go to. That mall has been Californicated. Valet parking takes all the spaces nearest the entrance. Tickets 50 cents higher than elsewhere. Up the escalator from the food court. Yawn. Back when Tristar had the old logo, did you ever go into the theater with an umbrella and open it up as the Pegasus flew overhead? Change the logo! For God's sake change the logo! Incoming! William Taylor - It is not politically incorrect to eat Jujubes while watching Schindler's List. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
John D. Giorgis wrote: At 11:10 AM 11/1/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: I went and did early voting this morning. Out of curiosity, given the events of the last two years, did you at all consider the risk that your candidate might die between now and Tuesday, thus invalidating your vote?In other words, in your mind, does the benefit of voting early outweigh the risk of losing your vote - or did you simply not assess this risk? The risk of something coming up between now and closing of the polls on Tuesday that might prevent me from voting on Tuesday weighed more heavily in my calculations than the risk of the death of a candidate between now and then. Two years ago, I had hellacious morning sickness. On one of my better days, we went and did early voting, which was just as well, as I was having a bad day on election day. With that experience relatively fresh in my mind, I figured early voting was a better option. Additionally, my re-registration at the new address never was processed by the county, so it was either vote early on this side of IH-35, or drive 35 minutes on election day to cast my ballot. As *Dan's* re-registration *was* properly processed (highly irritating, as both of them had been together in the postal clerk's hand last time I saw them!), the only way for us to both go together to vote was to do early voting. I voted for at least 1 candidate of each party represented on my ballot. (And I did a write-in.) :) (No, there were no Reform Party candidates, just Rep.s, Dem.s, Lib.s and Greens.) Also out of curiosity, and I will try to say this as nicely as possible - do you think that it is a point of merit that you distributed your votes across four different parties? Actually, this is two questions: 1) Do you consider it absolutely more good to have voted for candidates of four different parties, than to have voted for candidates of only three, two, or one party? I consider it better than voting straight ticket, anyway; my impression of straight ticket voters is that they depend on a political party to make all their decisions for them. I know that isn't fair, as many of them vote in the primary. Mostly, I find it eclectic. 2) Did you mention this because you expect people to look more favorably upon you for having voted for candidates of four different parties? More an announcement that you can't stick me in any sort of political box and expect me to stay in it. I'm really not trying to be rude - but am trying to make an honest assessment of your value judgements. If you are registered to vote in the US, be sure you vote on Tuesday (unless you do early voting like I did). I don't care about *who* you vote for; even if you're in my precinct (which I don't think anyone is, unless there's a lurker living close by), or just in my state, and you vote against every single candidate I voted for, you should take advantage of your right to vote and have some sort of say in who represents you in your government. Allow me to second that with a reservation. If you live in the United States, please take the time to learn about the candidates in Tuesday's election and vote. And if you live in the United States have learned nothing about the candidates in Tuesday's elections by Tuesday, please do not vote in the elections. One of the reasons my voting was so varied was because I looked at all the candidates, their records, their positions, and found that I was most in agreement with a Green in one or two cases, most in agreement with a Democrat in a number of others, most in agreement with a Republican in some others, and most in agreement with a Libertarian in one or two. (The write-in was in the governor's race. I'm disgusted by the whole campaign to date; later, I heard on the radio that both major-party candidates had pulled their really negative ads, maybe because they were backfiring, and had only run positive spots today. Well, they blew it as far as *my* vote went -- since people are voting early in record numbers around here this year, they should have pulled the negative stuff sometime *last* week when the trend was starting to become apparent) Yes, I asked certain people not to vote. JDG - Who really isn't trying to be a contrarian just for the sake of being a contrarian. Most of the people with whom I talk government/politics here try to educate themselves at least a little and go vote. The major exception to that is someone who has looked at various candidates and formed opinions, but has said she probably won't vote. (She didn't get the address change to the county the last time she moved, and doesn't know where her voter registration card is.) I've run into a number of people over the years, though, that complain about how government is run, have definite opinions as to what *ought* to be done -- and don't vote! I'm sick of bellyaching from people who refuse to cast the ballot that might make at
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
In a message dated 11/1/2002 6:38:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so it was either vote early on this side of IH-35, or drive 35 minutes on election day to cast my ballot. That can equal up to 4 miles for Austin's rush hour. Now, how about a rant just for the sake of a rant? Why da hell is it I-5 in California, I-10 in Arizona, I-20 in New Mexico, I-12 in Louisiana, I-95 in Maryland, but IH-35 in Texas. Totally meaningless question. Totally unimportant if unanswered. All in good fun. Only way to rant. William Taylor I stopped driving cross country just as truck stops stopped having pinball machines. Related or coincidence? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/1/2002 6:38:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so it was either vote early on this side of IH-35, or drive 35 minutes on election day to cast my ballot. That can equal up to 4 miles for Austin's rush hour. Assume I'm not insane enough to drive during rush hour unless absolutely necessary, and have a flexible schedule that *ought* to let me avoid it most days. It's about 20 miles, actually. Almost exactly 20 miles from the new house to the old house, and just a few blocks from the old house to the school where voting for that precinct is held. Now, how about a rant just for the sake of a rant? Why da hell is it I-5 in California, I-10 in Arizona, I-20 in New Mexico, I-12 in Louisiana, I-95 in Maryland, but IH-35 in Texas. Totally meaningless question. Totally unimportant if unanswered. All in good fun. Only way to rant. I have no clue. But that's what it is on everything official, and I picked up the (bad?) habit of using the H. Most of the time, in conversation, I just say 35. Oh, yeah, I went to that Kohl's on 35 between Parmer and Howard. Found some great slipper socks for Sammy. They're Carter's. I stopped driving cross country just as truck stops stopped having pinball machines. Related or coincidence? Only *you* can answer that question. :) Julia who likes pinball machines as well ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
In a message dated 11/1/2002 6:40:00 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dang, I was going to thank them for the new Texas district until you said something. :) Who'd we get *that* one from, then? (And I'm living *in* the new district.) If you only gained one, find a state that only lost one. Then tell someone from that state that you're glad you didn't get the politicians that were in that district. (Every August I used to hear about Youngstown Ohio. Chicago in training pants.) Hey it's only an hour more until the Zulu war chant. I got that on the first day, first showing. Were they really that dumb or did they do it as a joke? William Taylor Name that goon: I can name that politician in only three indictments. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
Julia Thompson wrote: Each person in the US is governed at both the state and federal level. Lucky Bastards :-) In Brazil, we are g*verned at federal, state and municipal [the polis, or city] level. Which means that things that must be done aren't, and taxes are levied in triplicate :-/ Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
Additionally, my re-registration at the new address never was processed by the county, so it was either vote early on this side of IH-35, or drive 35 minutes on election day to cast my ballot. As *Dan's* re-registration *was* properly processed (highly irritating, as both of them had been together in the postal clerk's hand last time I saw them!), the only way for us to both go together to vote was to do early voting. I consider it better than voting straight ticket, anyway; my impression of straight ticket voters is that they depend on a political party to make all their decisions for them. I know that isn't fair, as many of them vote in the primary. Mostly, I find it eclectic. 2) Did you mention this because you expect people to look more favorably upon you for having voted for candidates of four different parties? More an announcement that you can't stick me in any sort of political box and expect me to stay in it. I'm really not trying to be rude - but am trying to make an honest assessment of your value judgements. If you are registered to vote in the US, be sure you vote on Tuesday (unless you do early voting like I did). I don't care about *who* you vote for; even if you're in my precinct (which I don't think anyone is, unless there's a lurker living close by), or just in my state, and you vote against every single candidate I voted for, you should take advantage of your right to vote and have some sort of say in who represents you in your government. Allow me to second that with a reservation. If you live in the United States, please take the time to learn about the candidates in Tuesday's election and vote. And if you live in the United States have learned nothing about the candidates in Tuesday's elections by Tuesday, please do not vote in the elections. One of the reasons my voting was so varied was because I looked at all the candidates, their records, their positions, and found that I was most in agreement with a Green in one or two cases, most in agreement with a Democrat in a number of others, most in agreement with a Republican in some others, and most in agreement with a Libertarian in one or two. Most of the people with whom I talk government/politics here try to educate themselves at least a little and go vote. The major exception to that is someone who has looked at various candidates and formed opinions, but has said she probably won't vote. (She didn't get the address change to the county the last time she moved, and doesn't know where her voter registration card is.) I've run into a number of people over the years, though, that complain about how government is run, have definite opinions as to what *ought* to be done -- and don't vote! I'm sick of bellyaching from people who refuse to cast the ballot that might make at least a *miniscule* amount of difference, that's why I encourage people to vote. Also, a number of people don't even bother to register. If they're not going to bother to *register*, even, then yeah, they're probably not the sort to educate themselves about elections, and so probably shouldn't vote anyway. But they've already taken care of *that*. :) Julia D is ahead of J in the Alphabet. I know you weren't trying to make bad references about straight ticket votes. I can freely admit that the small local elections, I've never heard their names. I read the paper everyday but see nothing about them. Who do I pick? With so many different districts it's tough to publish a bio for each candidate, for Sheriff or tax collector or school board. But I don't vote straight party. I do know one time I looked at my choices and realized I had picked straight. But it's fun to pick each one individually. We have computer tally here. But I hear someone railing about government I always ask do you vote? This isn't obvious but I'm a shy quiet person, but I've babbled incoherently in peoples faces when they say the have never voted then start complaining again. I've had punches thrown at me! It's fun! I'd love to vote Lib, but they see WAY out there, haven't heard a coherent Lib yet. Saw a PSA from a Lib today and he said the countries problems were all tied to the banking system! Kevin T. Time for sleep. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
Julia Thompson wrote: Each person in the US is governed at both the state and federal level. Lucky Bastards :-) In Brazil, we are g*verned at federal, state and municipal [the polis, or city] level. Which means that things that must be done aren't, and taxes are levied in triplicate :-/ Alberto Monteiro In PA we have federal, state, local, and school districts. They can all set and spend taxes. Kevin T. equals less money for toys. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
Now, how about a rant just for the sake of a rant? Why da hell is it I-5 in California, I-10 in Arizona, I-20 in New Mexico, I-12 in Louisiana, I-95 in Maryland, but IH-35 in Texas. Totally meaningless question. Totally unimportant if unanswered. All in good fun. Only way to rant. William Taylor So you were just wondering about the H? I think NY wins this one: thruways, parkways, freeways, turnpikes, interstates. Kevin T. And I've painted them all. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 11:10:36AM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: If you are registered to vote in the US, be sure you vote on Tuesday (unless you do early voting like I did). I don't care about *who* you vote for; even if you're in my precinct (which I don't think anyone is, unless there's a lurker living close by), or just in my state, and you vote against every single candidate I voted for, you should take advantage of your right to vote and have some sort of say in who represents you in your government. True. Unless, of course, you live in one of the approximately 415 Congressional districts where the race has already been decided by devious re-drawing of the districts. According to a recent Economist article, out of 435 races for US House of Rep., only about 20 are competitive. 4 of those are in Iowa (Iowa has 5 total seats in the House), and Iowa is the only state that has a non-partisan committee determine the districts (although Arizona recently passed a referendum to do that). In a typical democracy, about 20% of the Congressional/Parliament races are competitive, in the U.S. this year, that number is only 4%. Heck, *my* district was almost certainly determined in a primary runoff earlier this year. But we have a bunch of other things on the ballot -- governor, lieutenant governor (that's a *really* important one, as the lieutenant governor sets the schedule for the legislature, and there's no incumbent running so it's *really* up in the air), various state judges, various commissioners, and a senate seat being vacated by Gramm. There was enough important, not-cut-and-dried stuff on *my* ballot that I took the time to do some research on the candidates and really *think* about it. Each person in the US is governed at both the state and federal level. While there wasn't much at the federal level that my vote was liable to affect (I have no idea how close the Senate race is), there were an awful lot of things at the state level at stake. How many people have state stuff on their ballot? How many people are voting in a tight Senate race this year? Julia You mean actual Senate race? Not in this state. Just the main house race. I think Specter gets voted on in '04. Okay go here: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm What does CLASS mean after each senator? Why do the links open up disabled web pages? No scroll bar, no header bar, ect. (Using Netscape 6) Could that proxiemon be doing it? Kevin T. So many questions ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
Kevin Tarr wrote: How many people have state stuff on their ballot? How many people are voting in a tight Senate race this year? Julia You mean actual Senate race? Not in this state. Just the main house race. I think Specter gets voted on in '04. I'm guessing that, oh, probably around only 33 states will have Senate races at all; I guess you'd be one of the approximately 17 that don't. Okay go here: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm What does CLASS mean after each senator? Why do the links open up disabled web pages? No scroll bar, no header bar, ect. (Using Netscape 6) Could that proxiemon be doing it? CLASS: There's I, II, III. I'm guessing it has to do with which year the seat is voted on. All the senators whose campaigns or declining to run for re-election right now that *I* know of seem to be Class II, which would lend at least a little credence to my theory. As for the links -- I'm using Netscape 4.78, and I'm getting the new windows without any problems. (Fred Thompson looks *so* serious in his picture) When I move the mouse pointer over the link on the page listing all the senators, the link indicated is a javascript thing, if that has any bearing on it. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
Kevin Tarr wrote: But I hear someone railing about government I always ask do you vote? This isn't obvious but I'm a shy quiet person, but I've babbled incoherently in peoples faces when they say the have never voted then start complaining again. I've had punches thrown at me! It's fun! I haven't had punches thrown (many of the people I've met who refuse to vote claim to be pacifists, and tend not to throw punches, at least not at *me*), but man, some of them can be really touchy when you point out how not voting means they oughtn't complain. The friend I had lunch with today told me that she'd been telling someone who wasn't going to vote, By not voting, you're saying that you're OK with the way things are now. The someone wasn't entirely happy with that, but didn't argue. (It's a bad idea to have knock-down drag-out fights at work.) I'd love to vote Lib, but they see WAY out there, haven't heard a coherent Lib yet. Saw a PSA from a Lib today and he said the countries problems were all tied to the banking system! Most Libertarian arguments are best made in 3-minute segments and not itty-bitty soundbites, I think. (This is off the top of my head and thinking about various Lib arguments I've heard and read.) I've seen some Libertarians make a fair bit of sense in writing. Hm, all my real research (except the reaction to the governor's race) was based on *printed* material Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
John D. Giorgis wrote: I think NY wins this one: thruways, parkways, freeways, turnpikes, interstates. Ahem. I grew up in NY State and I *never* heard the word turnpike. Its a *thruway.* What do you call a toll road, then? Julia grew up with the Massachusetts Turnpike and the Everett Turnpike ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
In a message dated 11/1/2002 9:55:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, how about a rant just for the sake of a rant? Why da hell is it I-5 in California, I-10 in Arizona, I-20 in New Mexico, I-12 in Louisiana, I-95 in Maryland, but IH-35 in Texas. In NY, its called the *Thruway.* (I-90 at least)Other Interstates are referred to by the definte article and the number. Example: Get on the 81, take it to the 481, etc. JDG Now you see you just proved that Texas is alone. You said Interstate 90. Only in Texas is that added highway always used. On the radio it's IH 35 and IH 20 and IH 10 and never I-35 wtc. Texans just love saying the word highway when attached to the word interstate, and the word interstate is never used without the word highway. Question: What da 'ell else interstate is there to drive on? If there were interstate dirt roads and interstate monorails and interstate skateboard ramps, then I could see the need for the word highway to diferentiate one interstate system from another. But dere ain't. Oh the stentorian sayings and the sanctimony of the ceremonious soothsayers in their sweatbanded Stetsons. They use the word highway because they are the Lonestar State, and proud of their independence and all dem other 49 states am wrong. William Taylor One whole fake rant just to use a good line. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dogs and Uplift
In a message dated 11/1/2002 10:16:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There was something from DB at some point about why the dogs weren't part of the uplifted species on Earth. A quick guess is that the storyline would become too Sirius. William Taylor --- Olaf at the bad pun if you want to, but the answer has merit. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: List request: Cancer links
My most heartfelt thanks to Dee, Nick, Debbi, Jim, Julia and anyone else I may be forgetting in my fatigued state who kindly sent me links to Cancer information archives both onlist and off. It looks like the Sloan Kettering docs may have caught the tumors in time. I guess prayers can be answered Been up for just over 44.5 hours... time for bed. Jon never wanna see the inside of another hospital maru From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: List request: Cancer links Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:15:29 EDT Oops, hepatic not renal, sorry. Tired and signing off, Dee I have a first cousin who was diagnosed before 2 years old and was lucky only to lose one kidney . Initially they said he may lose both/need a transplant and the family was setting up for tissue matching (IIRC the numbers are like 85%). The meds left him voiceless for almost a year, etc, but he is really quite a normal 16 year old now. _ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
