RE: Pedro...

[Jon Gabriel]

From: "Jon Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Pedro...
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 02:01:06 -0400
From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Pedro...
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:56:06 -0700 (PDT)
--- Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Points to Pedro for walking into Yankee Stadium and
> pitching 7 great
> >innings.
> >
>
> Points off for the beanball he threw that started it
> all and subsequent lack
> of apology to the fans and Zim.  What a sportsman!
> ;-)
>
> Jon
> Not Even Man Enough to Apologize Maru
I don't agree at all about Zimmer.  What, Pedro was
supposed to let Zimmer hit him just because he's 72?
No. He could have stepped aside.  He could have backed away, thrown up his 
hands and said forcefully "I don't want to fight you".

If Pedro had decked him, I might have objected.
Avoiding a fight at all costs by remaining rational and taking a 
non-violent stance would have been more impressive.
Upon further reflection, perhaps this _is_ a little too optimistic.

:-(

J

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The Comedy Continues

[Doug Pensinger]

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/nation/7023679.htm

Bush orders officials to stop the leaks

"Concerned about the appearance of disarray and feuding within his 
administration as well as growing resistance to his policies in Iraq, 
President Bush - living up to his recent declaration that he is in charge 
- told his top officials to "stop the leaks" to the media, or else.

News of Bush's order leaked almost immediately.

Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he "didn't want to see any 
stories" quoting unnamed administration officials in the media anymore, 
and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a senior 
administration official who asked that his name not be used."

--
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RE: Pedro...

[Jon Gabriel]

From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Pedro...
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:56:06 -0700 (PDT)
--- Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Points to Pedro for walking into Yankee Stadium and
> pitching 7 great
> >innings.
> >
>
> Points off for the beanball he threw that started it
> all and subsequent lack
> of apology to the fans and Zim.  What a sportsman!
> ;-)
>
> Jon
> Not Even Man Enough to Apologize Maru
I don't agree at all about Zimmer.  What, Pedro was
supposed to let Zimmer hit him just because he's 72?
No. He could have stepped aside.  He could have backed away, thrown up his 
hands and said forcefully "I don't want to fight you".

If Pedro had decked him, I might have objected.
Avoiding a fight at all costs by remaining rational and taking a non-violent 
stance would have been more impressive.

Zimmer's an adult, and he knew exactly what he risked
when he charged onto the field like a crazed gerbil.
*snicker*  Zimmer's an idiot.

Kudos to Pedro, actually, for doing the absolute
minimum to protect himself - basically just pushing
Zimmer aside - instead of what he really could have
done.
That's not the absolute minimum.  The absolute minimum would have been to 
not act aggressively and simply defend himself with the least effort.

In the case of Garcia, actually, I'm not really
convinced that he was aiming for the head.  If Pedro
Martinez wants to hit you in the head, he's _going_ to
hit you in the head, given his control and velocity.
Semantics.  The ball was aimed at the man and not the plate, which was 
wrong.

The fact that he hit Garcia close to, but not on, the
head, suggests to me that's probably exactly what he
wanted to do.  He still shouldn't have thrown the
pitch, but Yankee fans (Roger Clemens, anybody?) have
_no_ room to complain on this one.
He was wrong.  No excuses.  Clemens is wrong when he does it too.  Yankee 
fans have every right to complain, as do Sox fans in the same situation.

He threw 100+ pitches on a torn rotator cuff in a
supremely high stress situation against a superb
offensive team in their own home park - and kept them
to two solo home runs.  Anything that happened after
the 7th inning is his manager's fault for not having
the basic common sense to pull him with a 3 run lead.
Agreed.

Jon

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Re: Going for the ball (was Baseball Questions)

[Doug Pensinger]

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:13:52 +0900, G. D. Akin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

As a life long Giants' fan, I remember that game all too well, sniff!
However, Baker wasn't sacked for that move, but rather his insistance 
that
he was the primary reason for the team's success.  The Owner, President, 
and
GM all took exception to that figuring they were the architects who 
brought in the free agents and role players.  There had been trouble 
brewing there for a couple of years.
But had the Giants won that game you've got to think that Baker is still 
here, bad blood or no.

I feel for the poor SOB Cubs-fan who tried for the foul ball in game six 
of the Cubs-Marlins series.  I gotta tell you that I've been to many, 
many ML games and had only 1 or 2 baseballs, fair or foul, ever come in 
my
direction.  If I'm in that situation, I'm going for the ball.  What about
you?
I feel for him too.  I like to think that I'm such an educated fan that 
I'm aware of what may happen in that situation, but I think you're right, 
once the ball is comming right to me it's hard to think of anything else.

Do you live around here?  I'm in Morgan Hill.
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Going for the ball (was Baseball Questions)

[G. D. Akin]

Doug Pensinger wrote



> Last year, in game 6 of the series, Dusty Baker pulled Russ Ortiz out of
> the game after 6 1/3 (98 pitches).  The Giants bullpen promptly blew the 5
> run lead (2 runs charged to Ortiz) and lost what would have been the
> clincher for them.  Baker was not only roundly criticized for taking Ortiz
> out, he was sacked.



As a life long Giants' fan, I remember that game all too well, sniff!
However, Baker wasn't sacked for that move, but rather his insistance that
he was the primary reason for the team's success.  The Owner, President, and
GM all took exception to that figuring they were the architects who brought
in the free agents and role players.  There had been trouble brewing there
for a couple of years.

I feel for the poor SOB Cubs-fan who tried for the foul ball in game six of
the Cubs-Marlins series.  I gotta tell you that I've been to many, many ML
games and had only 1 or 2 baseballs, fair or foul, ever come in my
direction.  If I'm in that situation, I'm going for the ball.  What about
you?

George A



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Re: Baseball Questions

[Gautam Mukunda]

--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We're all sure that Little was wrong in leaving
> Pedro in, but if he had 
> been pulled and the bullpen blew the game, we'd all
> be saying that Little 
> screwed up by taking him out.
> 
> -- 
> Doug

Not me.  I was stunned that he put him back out in the
8th.  Outcomes do not affect the quality of a
decision.  If it had worked - if Pedro had cruised
through the 8th - running him out there would _still_
have been incredibly stupid.

=
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Re: iTunes for Windo$e

[Doug Pensinger]

So I'm assuming, after reading this: 
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,112983,00.asp, that I can't play 
tunes downloaded from ITunes on my Musicmatch jukebox?

So much for ITunes. 8^P

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Re: Baseball Questions

[Doug Pensinger]

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:12:17 -0400, Kevin Tarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

At 09:43 PM 10/16/2003 -0700, you wrote:
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:26:45 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well, just watched the Yankees win it.  What an
incredible series.  Just to clear up any confusion
from the above - I'm making the same criticism of
Dusty Baker and Grady Little, which is why I mentioned
Baker above.
But Baker was roundly criticized for taking his guy _out_ in game six 
last year, right?

Not that I disagree with anything you said.

--
Doug


I know there was a yank game against ... well I think it was one of 
Clemons games going for 300 where Joe pulled him way too early, and the 
relievers lost the game. He only had 80 pitches, but he was out. I think 
the worst question is when a reliever comes in and gives up a hit in the 
first or second pitch.
Last year, in game 6 of the series, Dusty Baker pulled Russ Ortiz out of 
the game after 6 1/3 (98 pitches).  The Giants bullpen promptly blew the 5 
run lead (2 runs charged to Ortiz) and lost what would have been the 
clincher for them.  Baker was not only roundly criticized for taking Ortiz 
out, he was sacked.

We're all sure that Little was wrong in leaving Pedro in, but if he had 
been pulled and the bullpen blew the game, we'd all be saying that Little 
screwed up by taking him out.

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Re: Baseball Questions

[Doug Pensinger]

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:39:29 -0700, Miller, Jeffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


I'd be asleep right now instead of swearing at the TV screen...
Hey, we agree on something! ;)

So riddle me this.. NY V FL - worst thing to happen to baseball since 
the strike?
Why?  I'm a fan of neither team, but the Marlins are a solid, young team 
with some exciting players and the Yankees are the epitomy of the old 
guard.  It should be an interesting matchup.

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RE: Baseball Questions

[Kevin Tarr]

At 11:39 AM 10/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:

> I'd be asleep right now instead of swearing at the TV screen...

Hey, we agree on something! ;)

So riddle me this.. NY V FL - worst thing to happen to baseball since the 
strike?

-j-
No that was Cleveland vs FL, followed by SF vs disney.

Kevin T. - VRWC

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Re: Pedro...

[Doug Pensinger]

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:41:28 -0700, Miller, Jeffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 09:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Pedro...
...sure doesn't look very impressive to me.  His post season
ERA has to be
up around 5 somewhere, he's too whimpy to pitch on 3 days
rest, and his
sportsmanship is questionable to boot.
Post season isn't a large enough sample to be meaningful.  That's like 
saying "Oh wow, this guy is a great hitter! he's 7 for 9 after the first 
3 games of the year!"
Ahh, but this is the post season, not the beginning of the season.  In 
order to be considered as a great pitcher, in my book anyway, you've got 
to step up when it's crunch time.  In any case, I saw Pedro pitch 5 games 
in the last month or so including the last time he pitched against the A's 
in the regular season. Against the A's, one of the weakest hitting teams 
in the league, he gave up 11 or so runs in about 20 innings.  In 7 innings 
last Saturday he gave up 4 runs, then five last night in 8.  That's 20 
runs in 35 innings for an ERA slightly over 5.  35 innings is close to 20% 
of the total innings he pitched in the regular season, so I'd say that 
that's a pretty good sample.
Whimpy to pitch?  He lost it in the 8th, but he was cruising up to that 
point.
He pitched well last night for the first seven innings, and I did write 
the above prior to last night (it was one of the messages that seemingly 
got lost in the aether.  But I was commenting on his inability to pitch on 
3 days rest like so many of the other top notch pitchers have done this 
post season.

Sportsmanship?  Protecting his arm from a crazed old man? ;)
Throwing at one guys head and threatening to do the same to another.  And 
I don’t believe for a second that it was any kind of accident, or, as 
Guatam suggested, he was throwing to miss the head.  He was throwing at a 
guy that had knocked in a run in his previous at bat.  Throwing at 
someone’s head is _always_ poor sportsmanship in my book.

Points to Pedro for walking into Yankee Stadium and pitching 7 great 
innings.
I'll give him that and not much more.

--
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RE: iTunes for Windo$e

[Andrew Crystall]

On 17 Oct 2003 at 15:24, Miller, Jeffrey wrote:

> as varied as Blackalicious (hip-hop) to Loreena McKennitt ("world") to
> Lisa Loeb (pop). I've also found that much of the Bethoven and Grieg I
> ripped onto my iPod share this... tonal wash-out.

That is largely to to the basic alogrythm the iPod uses to rip.

Andy
Dawn Falcon

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RE: Pedro...

[Jim Sharkey]

Gautam Mukunda wrote:
>Anything that happened after the 7th inning is his manager's fault 
>for not having the basic common sense to pull him with a 3 run 
>lead.

Exactly.  The Yankees owe that guy a fruit basket or something.

Jim

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Physicists smash internet speed record

[Robert Seeberger]

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/10/17/net_speed031017

Researchers have more than doubled the world speed record for internet data
transfer.
Scientists at the CERN particle physics laboratory in Switzerland sent the
equivalent of a full-length DVD movie in about seven seconds.

Colleagues at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) received the
data.

The land record was set on Oct. 1 by transferring 1.1 terabytes of data over
a 7,000-kilometre link in less than 30 minutes, the team said.

The average transfer rate was 5.44 gigabits per second (Gbps), which broke
the previous record of 2.38 Gbps - more than 20,000 times faster than a
typical home broadband connection.

Researchers announced the record on Thursday at the Internet2 conference in
Indianapolis.

Scientists want to transfer data more quickly for several experiments, such
as simulations of the Big Bang.

"This new record marks another major milestone towards our final goal of
abolishing distances and, in so doing, to enable more efficient worldwide
scientific collaboration," said Oliver Martin in a release.

Martin is head of external networking at CERN.

To accomplish the feat, the team paid for a special transatlantic fibre
optic link with a capacity of 10 Gbps.

Routers at both ends allowed the data to be sent more reliably.




xponent

Whoosh Maru

rob


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Re: Lying Liars: ShrubCo and Botulinum

[TomFODW]

> it's easy to get confused
> between the botulinum B bacteria (not dangerous, found in Iraq) and the
> botulinum A neurotoxin (dangerous, not found in Iraq). I myself made this
> mistake, but I'm not a biologist and I'm certainly not a biowarfare
> expert. This tactic -- saying things that are true in such a way as to
> get people to believe things that are false -- has become a prominent
> feature of the administration's public relations strategy on a number of
> fronts and, frankly, it stinks.
> 

Well, I'm sure the lying liars and their enablers and sycophantic followers 
will retort that we can't prove that Iraq DOESN'T have WMD and bioweapons and 
such. And that's true - we CAN'T prove Iraq doesn't. 

And we don't have. They have to prove that Iraq DOES have nukes and pukes. 
Especially since Cheney and Rumsfeld and others swore up and down that not only 
did Saddam have the stuff, we knew exactly WHERE he had it and all we had to 
do was conquer the country and we would easily find the stuff since they knew 
where he was hiding it.

Why can't they admit they were wrong, they didn't know, and that maybe that 
means Saddam didn't have it? It's a far cry from wanting it, trying to get it, 
hoping to get it, planning to get it, dreaming of getting it, and actually 
having enough of it to constitute such a clear and pressing danger that we had to 
invade RIGHT NOW to keep him from using it.




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Re: fire paste

[William T Goodall]

On Friday, October 17, 2003, at 01:25  am, Andrew Crystall wrote:

On 16 Oct 2003 at 20:06, Erik Reuter wrote:

I think you are right that the shuttle's thermal tiles meet these
criteria (although I'm not sure how high their thermal mass is). But I
think they are quite brittle, right? He said this stuff is a foam,
presumably you can spray it on. That would be a huge improvement over
all the trouble of the shuttle tiles.
Yes, they're brittle. However, if it's the stuff I'm thinking of,
then it has some NASTY critical failure modes that he won't have
encountered, but make it completely unsuitable for most uses.
Which stuff would that be then?

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Re: iTunes for Windo$e

[William T Goodall]

On Friday, October 17, 2003, at 10:04  pm, Robert J. Chassell wrote:

Miller, Jeffrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

... I'm one of those freaks who can hear the sound quality
difference between mp3s and cds; drives me nuts sometimes.
Just curious:  for you, what is the sound quality difference between
CDs and music recorded using the Ogg Vorbis format?  (I have been told
that ogg does better with classical than mp3 and about equal with pop,
but don't know whether that is true.)
In any case, what if the music is recorded a higher bit rate, say at
192 k rather than 128 k?  Also, does the variable bit rate used by ogg
make any difference?
That would depend on how golden your ears are :)

And what you're playing it through...

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The Shield of Achilles

[Robert J. Chassell]

I have just started reading 

The Shield of Achilles:  War, Peace, and the Course of History

Has anyone else read this?  If so, could you give us a review?

In the Prolog, the author starts out by saying,

We are at a moment in world affairs when the essential ideas that
govern statecraft must change.  For five centuries it has taken
the resources of a state to destroy another state:  only states
could muster the huge revenues, conscript the vast armies, and
equip the divisions required to threaten the survival of other
states.  Indeed posting such threats, and meeting them, created
the modern state.  In such a world, every state knew that its
enemy would be drawn from a small class of potential adversaries.
This is no longer true, owing to advances in international
telecommunications, rapid computation, and weapons of mass
destruction.  The change in statecraft that will accompany these
developments will be as profound as any that the State has thus
far undergone.

What do you think?  Is the author right?

The Shield of Achilles
by Philip Bobbit
Random House, Knopf edition, 2002: ISBN 0-375-41292-1
Random House, Anchor Books edition, 2003: ISBN 0-385-72138-2
US$20

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RE: iTunes for Windo$e

[Miller, Jeffrey]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert J. Chassell
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 02:04 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: iTunes for Windo$e
> 
> 
> Miller, Jeffrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 
> 
> ... I'm one of those freaks who can hear the sound quality
> difference between mp3s and cds; drives me nuts sometimes.
> 
> Just curious:  for you, what is the sound quality difference 
> between CDs and music recorded using the Ogg Vorbis format?  
> (I have been told that ogg does better with classical than 
> mp3 and about equal with pop, but don't know whether that is true.)

I haven't used Ogg Vorbis - I haven't really dug into all the various encoding 
possibilities for the MP3 format (OV is just another schema for encoding, yes?)

> In any case, what if the music is recorded a higher bit rate, 
> say at 192 k rather than 128 k?  Also, does the variable bit 
> rate used by ogg make any difference?

Until the loss of the compression is less than ~5%, I can still hear the difference in 
certain types and styles of music.  Generally speaking, I find the dynamic stereo 
qualities of a recording get flattened, and the middle-high end becomes, for lack of a 
better term, "hollow".. not quite echoy, but flat and without any sort of crips 
reverberation to the tone.  Specifically this harms albums by artists as varied as 
Blackalicious (hip-hop) to Loreena McKennitt ("world") to Lisa Loeb (pop). I've also 
found that much of the Bethoven and Grieg I ripped onto my iPod share this... tonal 
wash-out.

MP3 seems good for techno and pop, or really any kind of music where subtle tones and 
shading of the music don't matter much.  Still, there's no better way to store and 
access Wang-Chung ^_^

-j-
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Scouted: Brad Delongs weblog

[The Fool]

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Lying Liars: ShrubCo and Botulinum

[The Fool]

<>

EVEN MORE BOTULISM. About a week and a half ago I noted that the botulism
discovered by David Kay in an Iraqi scientist's refrigerator -- and since
discussed in speeches by the president, Dick Cheney and Colin Powell --
was more hype than threat. Today Bob Drogin of the Los Angeles Times is
on the case with a few more key points:
The single vial of botulinum B had been stored in an Iraqi scientist's
kitchen refrigerator since 1993. It appears to have been produced by a
nonprofit Virginia biological resource center, the American Type Culture
Collection, which legally exported botulinum and other biological
material to Iraq under a Commerce Department license in the late 1980s.
. . .

But Dr. David Franz, a former chief U.N. biological weapons inspector who
is considered among America's foremost experts on biowarfare agents, said
there was no evidence that Iraq or anyone else has ever succeeded in
using botulinum B for biowarfare.

"The Soviets dropped it [as a goal] and so did we, because we couldn't
get it working as a weapon," said Franz, who is the former commander of
the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Ft.
Detrick, Md., the Pentagon's lead laboratory for bioweapons defense
research.

Long story short: There's no threat here. This raises the question of
why, exactly, Kay's team and the gang at the White House are trying to
convince people that there is. Politically speaking, obfuscation is an
effective strategy on this subject, since it's easy to get confused
between the botulinum B bacteria (not dangerous, found in Iraq) and the
botulinum A neurotoxin (dangerous, not found in Iraq). I myself made this
mistake, but I'm not a biologist and I'm certainly not a biowarfare
expert. This tactic -- saying things that are true in such a way as to
get people to believe things that are false -- has become a prominent
feature of the administration's public relations strategy on a number of
fronts and, frankly, it stinks.

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RE: iTunes for Windo$e

[Robert J. Chassell]

Miller, Jeffrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 

... I'm one of those freaks who can hear the sound quality
difference between mp3s and cds; drives me nuts sometimes.

Just curious:  for you, what is the sound quality difference between
CDs and music recorded using the Ogg Vorbis format?  (I have been told
that ogg does better with classical than mp3 and about equal with pop,
but don't know whether that is true.)

In any case, what if the music is recorded a higher bit rate, say at
192 k rather than 128 k?  Also, does the variable bit rate used by ogg
make any difference?

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Re: OK Debbi, here's another Tucson horse story.

[Deborah Harrell]

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > But for a horse to _catch up_ to a motorbike going
> > 30mph would take a top sprinter... 

> 
> ...But the major change is this:
> 
> The horseman asked the dirtbikes to leave. The man
> refused. Then he was lassoed.
> 
> This sounds more like resisting a ciizen's arrest.

>From a later post:
"You have a nice color picture of the burn, and the
smug set jaw of the dirtbike rider.
And two totally different stories.  :-)"

http://www.dailystar.com/star/thu/31016ROPING2f2frjs2fsib.html
"...The owner of the stables told officers there has
been a problem with off-road vehicles spooking horses
and that he has been concerned that a horse rider
could get seriously hurt, according to a police
report..." 

I've had cars honk when crossing streets (at marked
crosswalks and stoplights, mind you), idiot high
schoolers *swerve at us* when walking on the side of
the road, and various motorized vehicles gun their
engines at us...   Thank goodness
the horses have learned to take such goings-on calmly.
While I always wave&smile to the courteous drivers who
slow or stop appropriately, I've frequently dressed
down those who endanger us - yes, people *do*
stop/slow when you bellow in best drill sergeant
fashion and shake your whip...
 
> Book I bought, X-lib, for $1...   The Indian and His
> Horse. By Roe.
> (Cheepest copy on the net. $44. I dood good.)
> 
> I'm going to see if I can't turn Alvin into an
> indian--maybe.
> 
> Anyway, I'll actually read this book before putting
> it up for sale.
> 
> William Taylor
> -
> Too many hands wide.


Did you know that one old rodeo expression, said of a
good bucking horse, is that he "bucks high, wide and
handsome?"

Debbi
Lead Mare Maru  UU

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RE: Pedro...

[Miller, Jeffrey]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Gabriel
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Pedro...
> 
> He was doing really well.  If he'd been able to keep it 
> together for just 
> two more innings they would have won.

I dunno.. I saw Pedro running down in the 7th, and Grady should've pulled him then.  
You have to stand up to the stars :)

> >Sportsmanship?  Protecting his arm from a crazed old man? ;)
> 
> That's 'Crazed Old Man with a plate in his head' to you. ;-)
> 
> Purely to play devil's advocate, how is he 'protecting his 
> arm' by taking a man more than twice his age by the noggin and hurling him to 
> the ground?

I dunno.. I kind of felt like Pedro was wrong, but then I watched the tape of the 
incident last night (finally) and thought Pedro's "throw" was pretty defensive.. a big 
guy, who is also an OLD guy, comes barrelling at you.. WTF are you supposed to do but 
toss the guy to the side and back the hell away? *shrug*

> >Points to Pedro for walking into Yankee Stadium and pitching 7 great
> >innings.
> >
> 
> Points off for the beanball he threw that started it all and 
> subsequent lack 
> of apology to the fans and Zim.  What a sportsman!  ;-)

So the beanball was deliberate?  I think people have an over-inflated sense of the 
amount of control pitchers actually have.  Further, even if it WAS deliberate, 
Zimmerman charging the mound was his fault?  Man, Zim should own his own emotions.. 
which he did in that press conference, much to his credit.

I'd like to see PEdro say something like "For what its worth, what happened was 
screwed up, and for whatever role I had in it, I apologize"  That would've been class.

Extra bonus points if he'd trotted over to the yankee's dugout and offered to shake 
Zims hand.

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RE: Pedro...

[Gautam Mukunda]

--- Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Points to Pedro for walking into Yankee Stadium and
> pitching 7 great 
> >innings.
> >
> 
> Points off for the beanball he threw that started it
> all and subsequent lack 
> of apology to the fans and Zim.  What a sportsman! 
> ;-)
> 
> Jon
> Not Even Man Enough to Apologize Maru

I don't agree at all about Zimmer.  What, Pedro was
supposed to let Zimmer hit him just because he's 72? 
If Pedro had decked him, I might have objected. 
Zimmer's an adult, and he knew exactly what he risked
when he charged onto the field like a crazed gerbil. 
Kudos to Pedro, actually, for doing the absolute
minimum to protect himself - basically just pushing
Zimmer aside - instead of what he really could have
done.

In the case of Garcia, actually, I'm not really
convinced that he was aiming for the head.  If Pedro
Martinez wants to hit you in the head, he's _going_ to
hit you in the head, given his control and velocity. 
The fact that he hit Garcia close to, but not on, the
head, suggests to me that's probably exactly what he
wanted to do.  He still shouldn't have thrown the
pitch, but Yankee fans (Roger Clemens, anybody?) have
_no_ room to complain on this one.

He threw 100+ pitches on a torn rotator cuff in a
supremely high stress situation against a superb
offensive team in their own home park - and kept them
to two solo home runs.  Anything that happened after
the 7th inning is his manager's fault for not having
the basic common sense to pull him with a 3 run lead.

=
Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Freedom is not free"
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RE: Pedro...

[Jon Gabriel]

From: "Miller, Jeffrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Pedro...
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:41:28 -0700


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 09:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Pedro...
>
>
> ...sure doesn't look very impressive to me.  His post season
> ERA has to be
> up around 5 somewhere, he's too whimpy to pitch on 3 days
> rest, and his
> sportsmanship is questionable to boot.
Post season isn't a large enough sample to be meaningful.  That's like 
saying "Oh wow, this guy is a great hitter! he's 7 for 9 after the first 3 
games of the year!"

Whimpy to pitch?  He lost it in the 8th, but he was cruising up to that 
point.
Too wimpy to apologize then.

He was doing really well.  If he'd been able to keep it together for just 
two more innings they would have won.

Sportsmanship?  Protecting his arm from a crazed old man? ;)
That's 'Crazed Old Man with a plate in his head' to you. ;-)

Purely to play devil's advocate, how is he 'protecting his arm' by taking a 
man more than twice his age by the noggin and hurling him to the ground?

Points to Pedro for walking into Yankee Stadium and pitching 7 great 
innings.

Points off for the beanball he threw that started it all and subsequent lack 
of apology to the fans and Zim.  What a sportsman!  ;-)

Jon
Not Even Man Enough to Apologize Maru
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Re: OK Debbi, here's another Tucson horse story.

[Deborah Harrell]

I should have given more background in my Story Math
Problem involving the half-a-ton of horse-and-rider at
20mph...I was of course thinking of _Darby and me_,
and projecting that an attacker had our escape route
blocked off, or was threatening a student...

I guesstimated that Darby would hit ~20mph in the
10-20 strides I envisioned before 'contact' in the
above scenario; I've paced him at roughly 25-28mph
flat-out (unless the cars in the 40mph zone were going
faster, which might actually push him up to 30mph).


[VT wrote:]
>
http://www.kgun9.com/story.asp?TitleID=3401&ProgramOption=News
> > 
> > DIRT BIKER LASSOED OFF HIS BIKE by Terry Gonzalez
> > 
> >  A 33-year-old Tucson man is recovering after
> > being lassoed off his dirt bike!
> >  Brian Corell, his step-son, and another boy
> > were riding their dirt bikes 
> > here in the Pantano wash Sunday afternoon.
> >  Corell says the next thing he remembers is
> > waking up in the middle of a 
> > CAT scan at University Medical Center.
> >  The two boys with Corell say the three were
> > riding along at about 30 
> > miles an hour, when two men on horseback galloped
> >up behind them. 14-year-old 
> > Bobby Badertscher is Corell?s stepson, "The man
> > lassoed Brian causing him to fall to the ground."
> > 
> > [I suspect this is not the truth. If horses only
> > gallop at 20 mph.]
> 
> Actually, Thoroughbreds have been clocked at 40mph
> according to The Jockey Club, and the Irish Horse
> Society says 45mph.
> http://www.jockeyclub.com/thoroughbredHistory.asp
>
http://www.irishhorsesociety.com/horsedata/horsefacts.htm
 
> But for a horse to _catch up_ to a motorbike going
at
> 30mph would take a top sprinter starting very close
> to the bike, and it would have to be done in under a
> quarter-mile (as horses cannot sustain top speed for
> any longer).

Not to mention that at ~30mph I strongly suspect a
rope around a human neck would seriously injure if not
kill a person, depending on how fast the horse stopped
(calf-roping horses are trained to slide to a halt as
soon as they feel the rope pulling - but maybe this
cowboy didn't dally the rope to the horn, just kept it
in his hand...)  Pretty stupid trick to pull, with
serious potential for death or permanent injury to the
ropee, who wouldn't deserve such a fate unless he/they
had committed a *truly* horrible crime which the roper
witnessed and so made a 'citizen's arrest.' 

Look, Ma, No Brains! Maru  ;P

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RE: Pedro...

[Miller, Jeffrey]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 09:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Pedro...
> 
> 
> ...sure doesn't look very impressive to me.  His post season 
> ERA has to be 
> up around 5 somewhere, he's too whimpy to pitch on 3 days 
> rest, and his 
> sportsmanship is questionable to boot.

Post season isn't a large enough sample to be meaningful.  That's like saying "Oh wow, 
this guy is a great hitter! he's 7 for 9 after the first 3 games of the year!"

Whimpy to pitch?  He lost it in the 8th, but he was cruising up to that point.

Sportsmanship?  Protecting his arm from a crazed old man? ;)

Points to Pedro for walking into Yankee Stadium and pitching 7 great innings.

-j-
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RE: Baseball Questions

[Miller, Jeffrey]

> I'd be asleep right now instead of swearing at the TV screen...

Hey, we agree on something! ;)

So riddle me this.. NY V FL - worst thing to happen to baseball since the strike?

-j-
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RE: Baseball Questions

[Miller, Jeffrey]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John D. Giorgis
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 08:46 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Baseball Questions
> 
> 
> O.k., I will admit to not being much of a baseball fan... in 
> fact, I pretty
> much only watch the playoffs.   Nevertheless, I would appreciate it if
> someone can answer either of the following questions:
> 
> 1) Has anyone ever seen a Manager go to the mound, ask the 
> Pitcher if he still "has it", and seen the Pitcher say "No."

Yup.  I think in this case, Grady asked, and Pedro said "I got it, coach" because of 
pride (and a touch of hubris).  Grady's job is to say "Sorry kid, I gotta bench you"

> 2) Has anyone ever seen a Pitcher who says "Yes" to this 
> question not immediately proceed to get shelled?

I have, but not this late in the game.  Pedro was still hurling 92, 93 mph balls, so 
its concievable if he'd caught his breathe, settled down, he could've finished the 
inning at least.

Still.. man, bad play.  Pedro should've been off the mound after the first run scored, 
if only because they'd need him healthy for game 2-3 against FL, and hi pitch count 
was creeping up.

-j-
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RE: iTunes for Windo$e

[Miller, Jeffrey]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russell Chapman
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 04:03 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: iTunes for Windo$e
> 
> 
> Miller, Jeffrey wrote:
> 
> >I am.  The hassle of all the backdoor spyware and the risk 
> of viruses 
> >(at worst) from crappy p2p software is enough to drive me 
> legit years 
> >ago... ok, that and a CD collection that, at last count, 
> topped 1000... 
> >I honestly don't /need/ "free" music.
> >
> Wow - where do you put them? 

A music editor here at AMZN designed a series of shelf/racks that hold a 1000 +/-, so 
I paid him to build me one - cost me $30 in wood, and he did the labor for free if I 
promised to write 15 music reviews ^_^

> I have less than 500, and storage is 
> becoming an issue, and then there is finding one disk in the 
> collection, 
> and then there is that awful moment when I say to myself, hmm 
> which CDs 
> will I load today, and get daunted by the task of choosing.

If you're not attatched to the jewel cases, look into DJ sleeves, which hold the 
booklet and the cd, and are basically a fancy plastic envelope.

> So are you using iTunes? Or buying CDs retail?

Retail.  Remember though that I sit and stare at the AMZN web site almost all day 
long, so I get to see tons of new (to me) music come up for sale cheaply as used 
items.. I also go through cycles - I didn't buy any new music for 2 months, but then 
this month I've already got a stack of 15 CDs to file.

I also NEVER sell CDs used;  you never get a decent amount of $ for them unless 
they're desirable, in which case I know that someday I'll want to listen to them again.

I've toyed with the idea of going to an all MP3 storage solution; I bought a 200Gb 
hard drive just for that purpose, however I'm one of those freaks who can hear the 
sound quality difference between mp3s and cds;  drives me nuts sometimes.

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Power of prayer found wanting in hospital trial

[William T Goodall]

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/10/15/ 
npray15.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/10/15/ 
ixhome.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=3563

"The biggest scientific experiment on prayer has failed to find any  
evidence that it helps to heal the sick.

Doctors in the United States will today disclose that heart patients  
who were prayed for by groups of strangers recovered from surgery at  
the same rate as those who were not.

The three-year study, led by cardiologists from Duke University Medical  
Centre in North Carolina, involved 750 patients in nine hospitals and  
12 prayer groups around the world, from Christians in Manchester to  
Buddhists in Nepal."

--
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Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Chinese manned space flight

[Alberto Monteiro]

Dan Minette wrote:
>
>Take Antarctica, for example.  90+ years after humans first reached the
>South Pole, it is still minimally inhabited.  It is a vast continent,
>supporting life; but it still has very little commercial value.  Further,
>there is no indication that 50 or 100 years from now, humans will have a
>massive South Pole presence.
>
Maybe a better parallel was the explorarion of the _Seas_.
20,000 years after Man started sailing the seas, and there's still
a ridiculously small number of people that live there.

Alberto Monteiro


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Re: fire paste

[Andrew Crystall]

On 16 Oct 2003 at 20:06, Erik Reuter wrote:

> I think you are right that the shuttle's thermal tiles meet these
> criteria (although I'm not sure how high their thermal mass is). But I
> think they are quite brittle, right? He said this stuff is a foam,
> presumably you can spray it on. That would be a huge improvement over
> all the trouble of the shuttle tiles.

Yes, they're brittle. However, if it's the stuff I'm thinking of, 
then it has some NASTY critical failure modes that he won't have 
encountered, but make it completely unsuitable for most uses.

Andy
Dawn Falcon

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Re: iTunes for Windo$e

[Erik Reuter]

On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 01:07:32AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Do you think it is evil to contribute money to terrorists?
> > 
> 
> Um...non-sequitur?

Do you know much about the record industry and RIAA?


-- 
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Re: iTunes for Windo$e

[Erik Reuter]

On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 09:28:33AM +0100, William T Goodall wrote:

> However little money the creators make when one buys the music it is
> more than the 'none at all' they make when one steals it.

Wrong. 


--
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Re: Baseball Questions

[Jon Gabriel]

From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Baseball Questions
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:45:54 -0400
O.k., I will admit to not being much of a baseball fan... in fact, I pretty
much only watch the playoffs.   Nevertheless, I would appreciate it if
someone can answer either of the following questions:
1) Has anyone ever seen a Manager go to the mound, ask the Pitcher if he
still "has it", and seen the Pitcher say "No."
Yep.

2) Has anyone ever seen a Pitcher who says "Yes" to this question not
immediately proceed to get shelled?
Often.  Sometimes the pitcher just needs a break in his routine for a couple 
of minutes in order to relax. I was pretty sleepy, but didn't this happen 
with the Sox pitcher in the 9th or 10th last night?

Again not much of a baseball fan, but it seems like every year Managers
wait too long to pull their "Aces" in the late innings of big playoff
games... Prior being but the latest example until now.   I mean, wouldn't
you rather pull your "Ace" a little too early in a close game than pull him
a little too late?If you are good enough to be a playoff team, surely
you have guys who are good enough to go a mere *two* innings for you 
right???

Well, it's easy to be an armchair pitching coach.  ;-)

Seriously, the answer is often, "It depends".  Just because a pitcher has 
let a few men on or a run or two score doesn't mean he's losing it.  Mets 
reliever Armando Benitez, (who competed with Steinbrenner for the title of 
'most hated man in New York' for a while,) used to fill the bases with no 
outs and then... 3 up, 3 down.  Of course, he used to lose spectacularly as 
well.  So much for consistency.

I suspect that most managers also make 'pull the pitcher' decisions based on 
the pitcher's past record against a particular hitter.  Remember the 
right-hander/left-hander 'rule' too.  Also, imo, most managers don't act 
rapidly enough at getting their bullpens warmed up.  The time to start 
warming up your hurlers is when you see a hitter crush a ball into the 
parking lot, not after the guy on the mound has given up 6 runs. :)

I agree with Gautam. The Yankees used at least 4 or 5 pitchers last night 
(including David Wells, a starter) and at least two pinch hitters who were 
then substituted for pinch runners.  And so Torre once again proves that 
he keeps his eye on the goal: winning the game.  What good does satisfying 
his players' egos do him or them if they lose?

Jon

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Re: OK Debbi, here's another Tucson horse story.

[Medievalbk]

Found it without the newspaper:

http://www.dailystar.com/star/thu/31016ROPING2f2frjs2fsib.html

You have a nice color picture of the burn, and the smug set jaw
of the dirtbike rider.

And two totally different stories.  :-)

William Taylor
--
Ghost writer in disguise
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Re: Baseball Questions

[Kevin Tarr]

At 09:43 PM 10/16/2003 -0700, you wrote:
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:26:45 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well, just watched the Yankees win it.  What an
incredible series.  Just to clear up any confusion
from the above - I'm making the same criticism of
Dusty Baker and Grady Little, which is why I mentioned
Baker above.
But Baker was roundly criticized for taking his guy _out_ in game six last 
year, right?

Not that I disagree with anything you said.

--
Doug


I know there was a yank game against ... well I think it was one of Clemons 
games going for 300 where Joe pulled him way too early, and the relievers 
lost the game. He only had 80 pitches, but he was out. I think the worst 
question is when a reliever comes in and gives up a hit in the first or 
second pitch.

Kevin T. - VRWC
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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism

[ritu]

Dan Minette wrote:

> That's not the point under debate.  The question is twofold.
> 
> 1) Is the goal supported by the terrorists worthwhile.  In other words
> would non-violent political action to achieve these goals be 
> considered
> worthwhile?

I think the answer would depend on whom you ask. Given that there are
countries where Bin Laden was held as 'the international leader you
would most trust to do the right thing', I think you would find that a
lot of people do find his goals worthwhile.
I don't claim to understand it but then I have never understood why some
people continue to support the BJP/VHP/RSS combine even after Ayodhya
and Gujarat.

> 2) Does the support of otherwise worthwhile goals by 
> terrorists taint the
> goals themselves?

I don't know if it taints the goal itself but it certainly taints the
way the goal is perceived by people. And it definitely reduces the
efficacy of the argument. At least that is my opinion. No matter how
worthwhile a goal is, if you start blowing up innocent bystanders to
make your point, you have already lost the thrust of your argument.
 
> I think the archbishop was explicitly discussing the second 
> question.  For
> the most part, I agree with the archbishop; a very valid 
> grievance can be
> the excuse for the use of unacceptable means. 

While reading his statements, I got the feeling that the Archbishop was
warning against the dangers of demonising the enemy. The fact is that
the terrorists do enjoy implicit and/or explicit support of a lot of
people in many parts of the world. Some degree of support/co-operation
is needed from these very people in order to find and neutralise the
terrorists. A blanket condemnation and constant demonisation makes this
co-operation far less likely. 

Ritu


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Re: iTunes for Windo$e

[William T Goodall]

On Friday, October 17, 2003, at 05:02  am, Erik Reuter wrote:

On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:20:33PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Some young people who think (if you can call it thinking) that they
have some kind of a "right" to download (i.e., steal) all the music
they want for nothing, no they aren't going to pay. But there are
millions of people, mostly
Who, exactly, is losing a lot of money from this "stealing" you are
talking about? You don't suppose it is the creators of the music, do
you?
However little money the creators make when one buys the music it is 
more than the 'none at all' they make when one steals it.

--
William T Goodall
Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web  : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
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"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever 
that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the 
majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish 
than sensible."
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Re: OK Debbi, here's another Tucson horse story.

[Medievalbk]

In a message dated 10/16/2003 3:42:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> But for a horse to _catch up_ to a motorbike going at
>  30mph would take a top sprinter starting very close to
>  the bike, and it would have to be done in under a
>  quarter-mile (as horses cannot sustain top speed for
>  any longer).
>  
>  
>  
>  Horse Facts And Fancies Maru  :)  
>  

It is 10:30 PM, I'm just back from buying books in Phoenix, and I left the 
newspaper in the van.

...But the major change is this:

The horseman asked the dirtbikes to leave. The man refused. Then he was 
lassoed.

This sounds more like resisting a ciizen's arrest.

I'll see if it's on the net later.

Now...

Book I bought, X-lib, for $1...   The Indian and His Horse. By Roe.

(Cheepest copy on the net. $44. I dood good.)

I'm going to see if I can't turn Alvin into an indian--maybe.

Anyway, I'll actually read this book before putting it up for sale.

William Taylor
-
Too many hands wide.
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