RE: Battlestar Galactica mini series

2003-12-09 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As a kid I liked the original Battlestar Galactica, even though it is so
cheesy that it is almost painful to watch as an adult, but I really
Yeah, I feel just about the same way.

liked the remake tonight. A smartass woman Starbuck seems to work here.
And no matter how evil she is, you gotta love Six. Ok, maybe just us
Male Testosterone Filled Pigs will love Six.
I didn't see it, but I watched the hour-long preview show that talked all 
about it,
and I was totally put off by it.  IMHO, the biggest reason for a Galactica 
remake is
to recapture the nostalgia for the characters, the Cylons, and the 
storyline.  It
looked to me like this remake changes many/most of the characters 
substantially,
changed the nature of the Cylons, and made a lot of changes to the basic
storyline.  It might be a good show in its own right, but those kinds of 
changes
make me think the creators were more interested in making their own show, 
using
BG as the hook for viewers, than in respecting the original material.

It's not that I think remakes need to be 100% faithful to their source 
material, but
a lot of the changes I saw struck me as gratuitous.

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Scouted: Latest news from the world of science . . .

2003-12-09 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
Tiny fossil of crustacean is oldest record of male animal
Well-endowed sea creature is nearly half a billion years old
David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor
Friday, December 5, 2003
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[Photo of specimen]

Scientists studying the evolution of common sea creatures whose ancestors 
date back nearly half a billion years have discovered what must be the 
oldest animal fossil whose gender is unequivocally male.

An animal's soft body parts hardly ever remain apparent as the organs 
fossilize and are gradually replaced by stone. But in the case of the 425 
million-year-old crustacean, only two-tenths of an inch long, the 
scientists were able to clearly discern a penis.

The copulatory organ is large and stout, said the team of scientists, led 
by David J. Siveter of the University of Leicester in England, in their 
report today in the journal Science. The prominent copulatory appendage 
indicates that the specimen is a sexually mature adult male.

The scientists have named their fossil species Colymbosathon ecplecticos, 
which means swimmer with an astoundingly large penis.

The specimen, a new member of a widespread class of tiny shelled animals 
called ostracodes, was discovered in a deposit of Silurian period rocks in 
Britain's Hertfordshire.

To determine the shapes of the fossilized soft tissues, Siveter and his 
colleagues developed a technique they call shave and photo. Under a 
microscope they shaved thin layers of the indecipherable rock, photographed 
each layer and then assembled the images into what amounted to a virtual 
reconstruction of each separate organ, they said.

What is striking about the tissues the scientists recovered, including its 
compound eyes and the soft appendages it must have used to swim and 
scavange for prey, is how closely they resemble the same organs among many 
of the modern ostracode species.

This is a demonstration of unbelievable (evolutionary) stability, said 
Thomas M. Cronin, an ostracode specialist with the U.S. Geological Survey 
in a commentary also published in Science. Although ostracodes have evolved 
and diversified into some 30,000 living or extinct species, these guys 
have just been plodding along totally unfazed.

Ostracrode shells are common in oceans all over the world. Their fossils 
are often used by scientists to determine the age of ancient seabeds where 
they are found, as well as to study ancient climate changes and as 
timetables for the pace of evolution in other animals.

At UC Berkeley's Museum of Paleontology, Kenneth Finger, who specializes in 
the evolution of ostracodes, noted that given the right kind of stable 
environment, many other organisms might undergo little evolutionary change 
for millions of years.

The horseshoe crab, for example, has remained stable for at least 250 
million years, and so have several other crustaceans, Finger said.

On the other hand, he said, while many of the soft tissues in the 
ostracode from the Silurian period show a striking similarity to modern 
ones, I bet if you could get a DNA sample from the old one, you'd find 
plenty of differences.

Like their ancestors, modern ostracodes have penises that, relative to 
their body size, are larger than almost any other animal, he said. In the 
modern species at least, the penis is normally retracted in a coil that 
extends swiftly during copulation. The reconstruction of the fossil 
ostracode's organ does not show that configuration.

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iTunes at Twenty Million

2003-12-09 Thread William T Goodall
http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5117275.html?tag=nefd_top

Apple Computer said Monday that it has now sold more than 20 million 
songs in fewer than seven months through its iTunes song store.

Online buying patterns are also beginning to emerge, pointing to 
potential ground rules for the new services. Apple director of 
marketing Peter Lowe said that 45 percent of songs downloaded through 
iTunes had been sold as part of a full album, rather than in single 
song form. That indicates many people are still interested in 
purchasing large numbers of songs, or full albums, despite having a la 
carte options, Lowe said.

Additional research from the NPD Group indicated that iTunes customers 
bought more music than did ordinary offline consumers over the first 
four months of that service's operations. The average iTunes customer 
bought 49 songs online during that time, or the equivalent of about an 
album a month, compared with the average teenagers purchase of a CD 
every two months, said NPD vice president Russ Crupnick.

The Macintosh audience may not be representative of the larger market, 
however, since Apple buyers tend to have higher incomes and greater 
technological sophistication than the PC audience as a whole, and have 
previously had less access to the free file-swapping services.

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Black Market Body Parts

2003-12-09 Thread Kanandarqu

Several of us had the beginnings of a talk in chat last week on black market 
body parts and the upswing in people selling off parts of their bodies.  There 
is going to be a Talk of the Nation/afternoon NPR discussion on this today. 
 I think I might be glad I am working through that time.  It might be a 
reality, but oh g, there is enough heart ache in families that help relatives 
never mind those that feel it is the only thing they have to sell.

Dee
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Re: Electromagnetic Fields are Evil and Must Be Destroyed . . .

2003-12-09 Thread Nick Arnett
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

The findings suggest that our attitudes to religion are underpinned
by biology -that some brains are physically built to be more
receptive to divine thought, and that this explains why religion
induces apathy in some and fervour in others. One scientist has even
built a kind of God helmet -- a headset that can induce the feeling
of an unseen presence by bathing the temples in electromagnetic
fields.
--Anjana Ahuja, God on the brain, The Times of London, April 17,
2003
Or perhaps it suggests that God works through our parietal lobes, in 
particular.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica mini series

2003-12-09 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Robert Seeberger wrote:

 I dunno about Six.
 I figure if you are going to design an artificial woman, your gonna build
 her more like 7of9.

What about Andromeda's Avatar, Rommie?

Alberto Monteiro

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Re: Black Market Body Parts

2003-12-09 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Dee wrote:

 Several of us had the beginnings of a talk in chat last week on black
 market body parts and the upswing in people selling off parts of their
 bodies. 

Last week, br police arrested a group specialized in the
organ black market: they recruited volunteers to sell the
kidney, shipped them to Africa, and [there is honesty among
thieves] brought them back.

Alberto Monteiro

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RE: iTunes at Twenty Million

2003-12-09 Thread Miller, Jeffrey


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William T Goodall
 Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 05:17 AM
 To: Brin-L
 Subject: iTunes at Twenty Million
 
 
 http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5117275.html?tag=nefd_top
 
 Apple Computer said Monday that it has now sold more than 20 million 
 songs in fewer than seven months through its iTunes song store.

This, to me, is great news.  Isn't their goal to sell 100 million tracks by the 1st 
years anniversary of the Windows launch?

 Online buying patterns are also beginning to emerge, pointing to 
 potential ground rules for the new services.

No kidding!  I work all day long with sales metrics to understand item relationships 
for AMZN, and I'd love to dig into 20MM transactions to see what patterns emerge.. ^_^

 marketing Peter Lowe said that 45 percent of songs downloaded through 
 iTunes had been sold as part of a full album, rather than in single 
 song form. That indicates many people are still interested in 
 purchasing large numbers of songs, or full albums, despite 
 having a la carte options, Lowe said.

Its also an implied economics (similar to reverse implied odds in poker ^_^) - the 
more single tracks you purchase from an album, the cheaper the rest of the album gets 
on a per track basis.

 Additional research from the NPD Group indicated that iTunes 
 customers 
 bought more music than did ordinary offline consumers over the first 
 four months of that service's operations. The average iTunes customer 
 bought 49 songs online during that time, or the equivalent of 
 about an 
 album a month, compared with the average teenager's purchase of a CD 
 every two months, said NPD vice president Russ Crupnick.

A CD every 2 months?  Dear god, I buy an album a week, at least ^_^

I'm embarking on a bit of experiment, though.  Every time I want to purchase an album, 
I try to get it via iTunes first.  With a batch of recent new releases, though, I'm 
noticing a trend to include a DVD of bonus footage, extra songs, videos, etc, which 
makes purchasing the physical copy more attractive.  Curse you, marketeers!

 The Macintosh audience may not be representative of the 
 larger market, 
 however, since Apple buyers tend to have higher incomes and greater 
 technological sophistication than the PC audience as a whole, 
 and have 
 previously had less access to the free file-swapping services.

Perhaps, but these numbers also include the Windows iTunes..

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Re: Battlestar Galactica mini series

2003-12-09 Thread Damon Agretto
Surprised there hasn't been more discussion about this
on-list. Did anyone dislike it? I have a running
debate on my gaming list about its merits (or
de-merits). On its own I thought it was pretty good
and entertaining. Compared to the original its MUCH
better (I thought the original a bit corny). My friend
obviously disagrees (on both points)...

Damon.

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RE: Battlestar Galactica mini series

2003-12-09 Thread Miller, Jeffrey


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Damon Agretto
 Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:30 PM
 To: Killer Bs Discussion
 Subject: Re: Battlestar Galactica mini series
 
 
 Surprised there hasn't been more discussion about this
 on-list. Did anyone dislike it? I have a running
 debate on my gaming list about its merits (or
 de-merits). On its own I thought it was pretty good
 and entertaining. Compared to the original its MUCH
 better (I thought the original a bit corny). My friend 
 obviously disagrees (on both points)...

The universe conspires against my ever seeing ANYTHING BSG related - I missed the 
original, missed reruns, and TiVo decided I'd prefer to watch Celebrity Poker instead 
(which, to be honest, is true)  Ever since Riverworld, the cancelling of FarScape in 
favor of Scare Tactics... I've little use for SciFi

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RE: Battlestar Galactica mini series

2003-12-09 Thread Horn, John
 From: Damon Agretto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Surprised there hasn't been more discussion about this
 on-list. Did anyone dislike it?

I taped it but haven't watched it yet.  I was watching MNF instead.
I did see bits and pieces when I jumped over during commercials and
timeouts and wasn't completely turned off (as I was by the first few
minutes of _RiverWorld_).  I'll be able to jump into the
conversation after I'm able to catch up!

 - jmh
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RE: Battlestar Galactica mini series

2003-12-09 Thread Miller, Jeffrey


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Horn, John
 Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:53 PM
 To: Killer Bs Discussion
 Subject: RE: Battlestar Galactica mini series
 
 
  From: Damon Agretto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  Surprised there hasn't been more discussion about this on-list. Did 
  anyone dislike it?
 
 I taped it but haven't watched it yet.  I was watching MNF 
 instead. 

MNF?

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RE: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-09 Thread Miller, Jeffrey


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson
 Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 07:01 PM
 To: Killer Bs Discussion
 Subject: Re: Science Fiction In General...
 
 
 
 
 On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Travis Edmunds wrote:
 
  From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
   
-Tolkien (I suppose THAT'S just a given)
  
  Whadya think of the movies?
  
  
  I was disappointed in the Two Towers. It deviated too much from the
  book(something that always aggravates me) The first flick 
 however, was 
  decent.
 
 Interestingly enough, my mother-in-law, who has never read 
 the books and 
 isn't likely to, either, was more confused by the first one 
 when she saw 
 it in the theater than the second one.
 
 Not sure just what that means or says, but I'm sure it's something.

I just finished watching TTT:EE last night.  MUCH improved.

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RE: Battlestar Galactica mini series

2003-12-09 Thread Horn, John
 From: Miller, Jeffrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 MNF?

Sorry, Monday Night Football.  The Rams were on, of course...

 - jmh
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Re: Electromagnetic Fields are Evil and Must Be Destroyed . . .

2003-12-09 Thread William T Goodall
On 9 Dec 2003, at 6:33 pm, Nick Arnett wrote:

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

The findings suggest that our attitudes to religion are underpinned
by biology -that some brains are physically built to be more
receptive to divine thought, and that this explains why religion
induces apathy in some and fervour in others. One scientist has even
built a kind of God helmet -- a headset that can induce the feeling
of an unseen presence by bathing the temples in electromagnetic
fields.
--Anjana Ahuja, God on the brain, The Times of London, April 17,
2003
Or perhaps it suggests that God works through our parietal lobes, in 
particular.

Or that these sensations indicate a brain disease which can be 
artificially induced.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica mini series

2003-12-09 Thread Travis Edmunds



From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Battlestar Galactica mini series
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:03:36 +

What about Andromeda's Avatar, Rommie?
Alberto Monteiro

Mmm.Rommie...

Or perhaps one better.thinking of Star Trek Enterprise

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Re: Electromagnetic Fields are Evil and Must Be Destroyed . . .

2003-12-09 Thread Nick Arnett
William T Goodall wrote:

On 9 Dec 2003, at 6:33 pm, Nick Arnett wrote:

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

The findings suggest that our attitudes to religion are underpinned
by biology -that some brains are physically built to be more
receptive to divine thought, and that this explains why religion
induces apathy in some and fervour in others. One scientist has even
built a kind of God helmet -- a headset that can induce the feeling
of an unseen presence by bathing the temples in electromagnetic
fields.
--Anjana Ahuja, God on the brain, The Times of London, April 17,
2003


Or perhaps it suggests that God works through our parietal lobes, in 
particular.

Or that these sensations indicate a brain disease which can be 
artificially induced.



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Superfluous quotation marks are evil and must be suppressed

2003-12-09 Thread Nick Arnett
I am tired of all of the unnecessary quotation marks that people 
seem to need to put around various words and phrases.  My
weariness at seeing so many extra quotation marks grows from an 
increasing conviction that they are merely a substitute for good 
writing, by people who don't know how to indicate emphasis on 
certain words or phrases.

Nothing to do with this list, just something I had to share.

Nick

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Re: Battlestar Galactica mini series

2003-12-09 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Travis Edmunds wrote:

 What about Andromeda's Avatar, Rommie?

 Mmm.Rommie...

 Or perhaps one better.thinking of Star Trek Enterprise

Is there any nice android - or shoud I say _ginoid_? - in Enterprise?

Alberto Monteiro

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Re: Superfluous quotation marks are evil and must be suppressed

2003-12-09 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Nick Arnett wrote:

 I am tired of all of the unnecessary quotation marks that people
 seem to need to put around various words and phrases.  

I think we should quotation marks when the word being quotes
is used with an ironic value. For example, if I believe that the
police of my country is ineffective, I will say quote
brazilian police /quote.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica mini series

2003-12-09 Thread Travis Edmunds



From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Battlestar Galactica mini series
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:32:39 +


Is there any nice android - or shoud I say _ginoid_? - in Enterprise?
Alberto Monteiro

No, but there is a nice Vulcan. A really nice Vulcan. Love her 
personality..

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RE: Superfluous quotation marks are evil and must be suppressed

2003-12-09 Thread Travis Edmunds



From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Superfluous quotation marks are evil and must be suppressed
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:16:48 -0800
I am tired of all of the unnecessary quotation marks that people seem 
to need to put around various words and phrases.  My
weariness at seeing so many extra quotation marks grows from an 
increasing conviction that they are merely a substitute for good 
writing, by people who don't know how to indicate emphasis on certain 
words or phrases.

Nothing to do with this list, just something I had to share.

Nick

Well, that was a little superfluous in and of itself. What, with the 
resultant backwash being a veritable tsunami of self defeat. One has a 
duty however, to overlook such brash and barbed broadcasts, as to err is to 
be Human.

I shall leave you now with a quotation.

A word to the wise is wasted, the stupid people are the ones that need it 
- Solomon Short

Travis

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Letter from Baghdad (crosspost)

2003-12-09 Thread Doug Pensinger
This was posted by ABFAS on the other list.  I haven't read all of it yet, 
it is very long, but it's quite informative/interesting/revealing.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031124fa_fact1_b

A rather long snippet:

In the summer of 2002, when the Administration began leaning toward an 
invasion of Iraq, Haass asked Erdmann to analyze twentieth-century postwar 
reconstructions. In fifteen single-spaced classified pagesepic length for 
a State Department memoErdmann applied the ideas in his dissertation to a 
series of case studies from the two world wars through more recent 
conflicts such as Bosnia and Kosovo. One of Erdmanns fundamental 
conclusions was that long-term success depended on international support. 
In the short run, he explained to me one evening, the foundation of 
everything is security, which partly depended on having sufficient 
numbers of troops. You dont have to look too far to see that isnt the 
case here. And I dont fault the people who are here. Theres no way any 
fault should be put on the kids in the 3rd I.D. or the brigade commanders. 
The question is, why werent more people put in? That was the concern of 
my projectwere we prepared to do what it took in the postwar phase?

Last fall, Secretary of State Colin Powell circulated Erdmanns memo to 
Vice-President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and the 
national-security adviser, Condoleezza Rice. Maybe it wasnt read, 
Erdmann said.



Erdmanns view that rebuilding Iraq would require a significant, sustained 
effort was echoed by the State Departments Bureau of Near Eastern 
Affairs. Throughout 2002, sixteen groups of Iraqi exiles, cordinated by a 
bureau official named Thomas S. Warrick, researched potential problems in 
postwar Iraq, from the electricity grid to the justice system. The 
thousands of pages that emerged from this effort, which became known as 
the Future of Iraq Project, presented a sobering view of the countrys 
physical and human infrastructureand suggested the need for a long-term, 
expensive commitment.

The Pentagon also spent time developing a postwar scenario, but, because 
of Rumsfelds battle with Powell over foreign policy, it didnt cordinate 
its ideas with the State Department. The planning was directed, in an 
atmosphere of near-total secrecy, by Douglas J. Feith, the Under-Secretary 
of Defense for Policy, and William Luti, his deputy. According to a 
Defense Department official, Feiths team pointedly excluded Pentagon 
officials with experience in postwar reconstructions. The fear, the 
official said, was that such people would offer pessimistic scenarios, 
which would challenge Rumsfelds aversion to using troops as peacekeepers; 
if leaked, these scenarios might dampen public enthusiasm for the war. 
You got the impression in this exercise that we didnt harness the best 
and brightest minds in a concerted effort, Thomas E. White, the Secretary 
of the Army during this period, told me. With the Department of Defense 
the first issue was Weve got to control this thingso everyone else was 
suspect. White was fired in April. Feiths team, he said, had the 
mind-set that this would be a relatively straightforward, manageable task, 
because this would be a war of liberation and therefore the reconstruction 
would be short-lived.

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RE: Superfluous quotation marks are evil and must be suppressed

2003-12-09 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am tired of all of the unnecessary quotation marks that people seem 
to need to put around various words and phrases.  My
weariness at seeing so many extra quotation marks grows from an 
increasing conviction that they are merely a substitute for good 
writing, by people who don't know how to indicate emphasis on certain 
words or phrases.
Back in high school, one of my teachers ranted about this, and then
told us a good rule of them for when they are appropriate.  She said
that putting quotations around a word/term means you are saying it
needs to be defined/explained.  That might be because you are
introducing an unfamiliar technical term, or, more commonly these days,
as scare quotes, using the word/term in a sarcastic sense or are disputing 
it.
Ie: You might use freedom fighters in quotes, if you actually consider 
them
terrorists.

I don't really see completely misplaced quotes too often, but often see them
(over)used in assorted political diatribes.  I.e.: referencing about Bush's 
2000
election.

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