Re: New Pentagon Papers Author
John D. Giorgis wrote: At 03:15 AM 3/18/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: In 1944, FDR ran ads asking How many divisions is a Republican victory worth to the Nazis? I don't see Bush doing that yet... I believe that he also kicked off his campaign in Pearl Harbor, and issued campaign buttons that said I Remember. I can only imagine the outrage if Bush used that phrase in a campaign ad. JDG It would be the same outrage if any politician were to use something like it today. Our horizons and standards are different than they were 60+ years ago. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mexico [was: Terrorists Win in Spain]
Alberto Monteiro wrote: JDG wrote: (As an aside, I don't think that *anyone* would call Mexico one of our strongest allies. Indeed, Mexico recently withdrew from their formal military alliance with us (this alliance also includes Haiti, St. Kitts and Nevis, and Venezuela, for what it was worth.) Mexico is certainly one of our strongest trading partners, but have never really been a formal ally.) Specially since the USA still mantains a military occupation of half of Mexico, and treats the mexican residents of occupied Mexico worse than Israel treats the palestines in occupied Palestina :- Alberto Monteiro It is *not* occupied mexico and has not been for over 150 years. The territory officially changed hands from the Mexican Govt. and became the property of the U.S. govt. Mexico recognizes U.S. ownership of these lands and has done so since the end of that war. -- Matt Who just remembered a random statistic saying something like: More people die attempting to cross the US/Mexico border each year than did attempting to cross the Berlin Wall during its entire existence. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Terrorists Win in Spain
Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Terrorists Win in Spain Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:42:08 -0800 Travis wrote: Being a proud Canadian, I take offense to that Doug. We are STILL (not WAS) one of your staunchest allies. Nothing has changed in that respect. And I challenge you to prove me wrong. As a side note, I would be interested in hearing some American thoughts on the Canada-USA relationship, and how or if it has changed in your minds. Basically, what do you think of us? Woa there, porr wording by myself. Yes, Canada is one of our staunchest allies, but they disagreed with the Bush admin. on this one. which was the only point I was trying to make. Sorry You don't have to apologize Doug. It's no biggie. But, in Canada disagreeing with the Bush admin, there was certainly a backwash against us down south. And I would be very interested in ANY American opinions on this. -Travis you're either with us or against us Edmunds I seem to remember some asshole company refusing to send anything to canadian addresses from its mail order business. This was during the same period when anyone urging caution, examining/collecting evidence, and/or getting world opinion on our side, was accused of being unpatriotic. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mexico [was: Terrorists Win in Spain]
- Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: Mexico [was: Terrorists Win in Spain] JDG wrote: (As an aside, I don't think that *anyone* would call Mexico one of our strongest allies. Indeed, Mexico recently withdrew from their formal military alliance with us (this alliance also includes Haiti, St. Kitts and Nevis, and Venezuela, for what it was worth.) Mexico is certainly one of our strongest trading partners, but have never really been a formal ally.) Specially since the USA still mantains a military occupation of half of Mexico, and treats the mexican residents of occupied Mexico worse than Israel treats the palestines in occupied Palestina :- Our eyes turn to the south. G xponent The Imperial Department Of Imperialism Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Complaint (Was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?)
Jon Gabriel wrote: Then have some respect for the rest of us innocent bystanders and take your bashing offlist and out of our mailboxes. If you and all the others who were so vehemently bashing fools virtual head in would kindly remember to come forward and as zealously defend other victims of abuse even if one doesn't agree with their points of view the next time anybody else starts throwing around insults, this list would be greatly helped. Sonja GCU: equality rocks ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
US online population tops 200 million: survey
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2cid=1506u=/afp/20040318/ts_alt_afp/us_internet_users_040318153554printer=1 The number of Americans with Internet access has topped 200 million, or nearly three-fourths of the US population older than two, a survey showed. Nielsen/NetRatings, said its survey from February showed 204.3 million people or 74.9 percent of the over-two population of 272.8 million. That was up nine percentage points from the same period a year ago. In just a handful of years, online access has managed to gain the type of traction that took other mediums decades to achieve, said Kenneth Cassar, director of strategic analysis at Nielsen/NetRatings. The survey, which measured access as opposed to usage, found that women represent a higher proportion of Web surfers, with 82 percent or 34.6 million women between the ages of 35-54 accessing the Internet at home. Some 80 percent of men in this age or 32.4 million, had Web access, the survey found. Seventy-seven percent of females in the 25-34 age group are Web surfers, while 75.6 percent of males in this age bracket have Internet access. Women make the majority of purchases and household decisions, so it's no surprise that they are utilizing the Internet as a tool for daily living, said Cassar. xponent By The Numbers Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable vie w.
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: The particular case of the slave who was 1/64th blck was quite famous. How interesting, there's a famous brazilian _romance_ of the XIX century with the same story, Escrava Isaura [Slave-woman Isaura], who was turned into a soap-opera, and, despite its blatant racism, is the most popular br soap opera outside of Brazil. Yep, seen some of it. It was to soapy for my taste. Sonja GCU: soap - bubbles - colors - plop! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Closest Near Miss On Record - Today
Robert Seeberger wrote: The object, designated 2004 FH, is roughly 30 meters Using Shoemaker's formula, a crater of diameter approximately equal to 8.5 meters, or the equivalent to 0.1 kilotons of TNT [1% of Hiroshima - I wonder how much was the TNT-equivalent of the WTC or Spanish attacks] How can the crater be so much smaller than the asteroid itself? Because I made some error in Shoemaker's formula O:-) I figured a 30 meter rock would severely damage an average sized city since it would entail a pretty large concussion. Looking at the table, I also think so. And looking at an example, I would resize the crater to 1000 meters or so. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Closest Near Miss On Record - Today
Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked [... I wonder how much was the TNT-equivalent of the WTC or Spanish attacks] I heard it said that the TNT-equivalent of the WTC attacks was ~0.1 kiloton, mostly from the energy of the fuel in the airplanes. The explosive used in the Spanish attacks was much less, measured in kilograms rather than tonnes. -- Robert J. Chassell Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.teak.cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] One of the most irrational of all the conventions of modern society is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected. ...[This] convention protects them, and so they proceed with their blather unwhipped and almost unmolested, to the great damage of common sense and common decency. that they should have this immunity is an outrage. There is nothing in religious ideas, as a class, to lift them above other ideas. On the contrary, they are always dubious and often quite silly. Nor is there any visible intellectual dignity in theologians. Few of them know anything that is worth knowing, and not many of them are even honest. So you think freedom of speech should protect use of the word fuck but shouldn't protect the right of people to talk about their religious beliefs? Nowhere does this quote say or imply that. End of discussion. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Terrorists Win in Spain
From: Mike Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's say, Kerry wins the US Presidential elections. He is going to dramatically alter the US response to terrorism. Would that too count as a win for Al-Qaeda? They'll think it is. Likewise a victory for ShrubFuhrer will be a victory for fascism. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Terrorists Win in Spain
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Terrorists Win in Spain Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:23:06 -0800 You don't have to apologize Doug. It's no biggie. But, in Canada disagreeing with the Bush admin, there was certainly a backwash against us down south. And I would be very interested in ANY American opinions on this. I thought we made it VERY clear in the South Park Movie!?!?!!! ...Heck no, Blame Canada! Blame Canada! With their hockey hullabaloo, and that bitch Anne Murray, too! Blame Canada! Shame on Canada.. For, the smut we must stop.. the trash we must smash.. The laugher and fun.. must all be undone.. We must blame them.. and cause a fuss.. before somebody thinks of blaming us! Lyrics from South Park Movie Nerd From Hell Very good Chad...lol Now I wanna hear you do a good Cartman impression and start singing: I'M SAILING AWAY... SET AN OPEN COURSE, FOR THE VIRGIN SEA... -Travis a gathering of angels???...on your HEAD?!?!?!? Edmunds _ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Terrorists Win in Spain
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Terrorists Win in Spain Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:48:13 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Terrorists Win in Spain But, in Canada disagreeing with the Bush admin, there was certainly a backwash against us down south. And I would be very interested in ANY American opinions on this. What I remember most about that backlash.was the backlash against the backlash where people remembered how well Canadians took care of displaced Americans on 911 and several days after. Canadian hospitality in the wake of a disaster is not and will not be forgotten. xponent Our Differences Are Few Maru rob Ah shucksblushing...it was the least we could do... After all, it WAS your country that spawned Axl Rose. We HAVE to thank you for that. But seriously though, regardless of the fact that we were hospitipal (common decency), we as Canadians (at least I think we applies) feel as if Americans, or those Americans who supported the Iraq war, look down on us for deciding not to go in. And what I'm driving at here, is what exactly do you Americans think of our decision? I don't care about political strife between the politicians on both sides of the border. I can see that on the evening news. However, I do care about the average American's outlook. For there is this tendancy in Americans, to see things as an American.(Go figure!!) Just as I see things as a Canadian. And we, as Canadians get the feeling that there is a bold yet subtle implication of you're either with us or against us. And excuse me for saying so, but that is so American of you. At the same time though, a policy like that, a hard-ass policy, is almost needed. But it's quite arrogant, all the same. Anyway, does it exist? Is it the majority view? Is the White House really black? If so, then shouldn't they call it the Black House? -Travis Freedom Fries Edmunds _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [ADMIN] Call for administrative action
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Call for administrative action Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:33:53 -0800 (PST) I have a favor to ask Deborah. Could you please give me an overview in a nutshell of that post? I'm not following all the way or something, and I don't want to jump to conclusions. So if you could indeed explain that a little more clearly, I would greatly appreciate it. Humor -- it is a difficult concept. Just call me Spock. Or to better keep with the times, Tuvok. 'The best defense against flame warring is excessive silliness' -- or something to that effect. A logical statement. serious You do realize that I was agreeing with your statement WRT 'some people just may be ignoring this as childish?' Honestly I didn't. I noted agreement in the first paragraph, noted silliness in the rest, followed you up until the trolling bit, then got lost in a big pile of cranio-rectal dystocia...haha...!! And with all the silliness, I didn't know whether or not you having a laugh at my expense. Debbi Is That Clearer? Maru :) Yup. Thanks for clearing that up. -Travis T'pal???...nah...she's a girl...I'd rather be Sarek Edmunds _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
From: John Doe [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 But what if I don't believe in God? That means you are above average in intelligence and education. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
At 08:17 AM 3/19/04, The Fool wrote: From: John Doe [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 But what if I don't believe in God? That means you are above average in intelligence and education. O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish. But to be learned is good if they hearken unto the counsels of God. (2 Nephi 9:28-29) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March Madness!
At 03:36 PM 3/18/2004 -0500 Tom Beck wrote: For sports fans, this is one of the best times of the year. I am happy to fully agree with Tom here. While I am a big time NFL fan, for me the opening weekend of the NCAA Tournment is the premier sporting event of the world. The beauty of college basketball is that with only five players on the floor a school of almost any size can put together a group of 5 or 6 very special guys and play with the best. Anyway, I'll deal with baseball in a week or two. With regard to college basketball: I went to a Division 3 school (tiny Hamilton College, in upstate New York), so I have no alma mater to cheer for in the so-called Big Dance. I went to D-III CWRU, where our Men's Basketball Coach was once named NCAC Coach of the Year after pulling a .500 season. As a side note, however, my uncle, Brian Giorgis, is one of the most-decorated high school women's basketball coaches in New York State history, and in his second year at Marist University has led the Red Foxes to their first NCAA Women's Tournament Birth *ever*, after upsetting Siena in the MAAC Championship game. They surprisingly pulled a 14 seed, and will play Oklahoma on Saturday.Its been a big surprise for our family because Brian told us that he figured it would take a couple of years to turn the Marist program around - until he managed to recruit his own class of players. We'll see if he can't pull another small miracle on Saturday For various reasons I root for mighty Duke University, and also for not-quite-so-mighty Princeton (where I went to grad school). Unlike most college basketball fans who aren't Duke fans (and who tend to revile Duke, in large part because of their incredible success, as well as their arrogance), I have a soft spot in my heart for the Dukies since Christian Laettner's mom was my third-grade teacher, and Christian Laettner's brother (who is also quite tall BTW), was a substitute teacher in my Middle School. Like most Upstate New Yorker's, however, my fan allegiance lies with Syracuse I still can't believe that we actually won last year... its like a deam. East Rutherford: Oklahoma State (could also be Pittsburgh or Wisconsin; don't give St. Joseph's too much of a shot here, as they just aren't physical enough to hang with the tough guys). Sorry, but I hate the discounting of St. Joseph's. An undefeated season is pretty incredible no matter *what* League you play in and the Atlantic-10 produced *four* tournament teams this year. St. Joseph's is definitey at least as good as Marquette, who made the Final Four last year. Wisconsin is dangerous, having its first two games in Milwaukee, but ultimately I think that Pittsburgh's defense will prevail. St. Louis: Kentucky. This is by far the easiest region. Hold on just a second here Washington is the hottest team in the country, and they have already shown that they can hang with anybody, having handed Stanford their only loss this year. A lot of people I really respect as basketball analysts, including Jim Boeheim, say that GA Tech has real potential to get hot and make a run. I think that Michigan State, who suffered psychologically early on from their burtal schedule, and Providence - who plays that bracket-busting zone defense and have a great player in Ryan Gomes - have the potential to be dark horses. And Gonzaga, whose only losses were to undefeated St. Joseph's and once-beated Stanford is a strong team as well. I am going to boldly pick that Kentucky will be the first #1 seed to lose a game and narrowly like GA Tech over Gonzaga. Atlanta: Duke. I always pick Duke, both because they usually have at least a good shot, and also because if I picked against them, I would feel I had to root against them and I never do that. This is by far the toughest region, and the Blue Devils have not played well the last 3 weeks. But the tournament is always undiscovered country, and no coach in the world is better than Coach K at getting a team to forget the immediate past and play as if there were no yesterday and no tomorrow. Everyone's 0-0 today. I don't see how Atlanta became the consensus toughest region - even though such talk is purely academic since each bracket has 16 seeds. O.k., I like Duke and MS St. a lot, but Texas? They've lost a lot of players since their Final Four run last year. Sure Arizona has a lot of experience, but they struggled in a very weak Pac-10 this year. A lot of people think that Cincinnati is the weakest of the five CUSA co-champions, and Illinois was thoroughly exposed by Wisconsin in a very, very, weak Big 10 Conference. I would rate Seton Hall is the weakest of the Big East teams as well... and the Big East's very high level of defense can pose a lot of problems for teams from other conferences.To the extent that one bracket can be stronger than the others, I just don't see it in Atlanta. My pick is MS St., which despite having a very strong season
Re: Lieing Under Oath
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:57 AM 3/16/2004 -0600 Horn, John wrote: The issue here in many people's minds is given what we've learned about the intelligence, folks don't think that Bush believed it to be true. That it was a convenient story to get what he wanted. My, how far have we come from four years ago when Bush's critics thought that he was too dumb to come up with any original thoughts beyond what he was told.Now, of course, he is a very clever manipulator of the US intelligence services. He ~is~ too dumb to come up with any original thoughts on his own. He even messes up the rhetoric his handlers feed him on a regular basis. Rove / Cheney are the real puppetmasters behind ShrubFuhrer. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
John Doe wrote: The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 But what if I don't believe in God? I don't think that makes a difference as long as She believes in you. ;) Ritu ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Abstinence education Re: Liberal Talkradio Network ToLaunchMarch 31
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:50 PM 3/16/2004 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote: First, the is no a priori religious connection to abstinence. There are a number of very sound reasons for strongly advising high school students - and younger, to not have sex. As I have clearly advocated in various posts. But there certainly _is_ a connection to *abstinence only* programs -- which are the ones I referred to. As I clearly stated in my posts. But again, there is no a priori reason for it to be so. No, but a posteriori reasons are also valid. I have a general question for you. If you compare the abortion rate in the US with the abortion rate in Europe, you will find that the US has had a higher rate than virtually any country in Western Europe. One significant difference between the US and many countries is the attitude towards birth control. Teenage pregnancies are much more frequent in the US than in Europe, although teenage sex isn't. Since abortion is a great evil, and birth control isn't, isn't it best to teach kids the dangers of having sex early, but tell them how they can greatly decrease the chances of pregnancy with birth control and the chances of STDs with condoms instead of insisting on abstinence only as the only sex education to get Federal money? Wouldn't that at least decrease the number of abortions? You are forgetting that JDG is a dealer in Pope Brand(tm) sex-education, which exposits that any and all birth control are EVIL, just as evil as Abortion. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Abstinence education Re: Liberal Talkradio Network ToLaunchMarch 31
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Abstinence education Re: Liberal Talkradio Network ToLaunchMarch 31 You are forgetting that JDG is a dealer in Pope Brand(tm) sex-education, which exposits that any and all birth control are EVIL, just as evil as Abortion. IIRC, JDG's position of conscience on this matter is to respectfully differ with the teaching of the Catholic Church. Dan M ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Libertarian Purity Test
At 05:02 PM 3/18/2004, you wrote: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Horn, John wrote: From: Kevin Tarr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bcaplan.com/cgi/purity.cgi 11. Kinda reassuring, actually. What is reassuring is that *someone* finally had a lower score than I did. 18 JDG - Resident crazy conservative, right? As a 16, can I claim to be one of the list's most bizarrely unpredictable WRT political issues? ;) (Actually, I agree with whoever said that the wording was far too strong to answer a flat 'yes' to many questions, but a graded response would have placed me on a somewhat more libertarian side. But only somewhat!) Debbi Every question seemed easy to me; they were straight forward. Paraphrasing: Do you think medical marijuana should be legal Y/N? Do you think carrying less than 5 grams of marijuana should be legal? Do you think any amount of M should be legal? Do you think all drugs should be decriminalised? Isn't that how a person forms their thoughts? No qualifications, no if/but; just this is the issue in black and white, this is a dividing line, which side do you choose? Even though I had a high score (compared to others on the list) some of the final questions were turning my stomach. The libertarian party is having a convention in Harrisburg this weekend. Don't know if it's statewide or national. I was thinking of going, but not now. Kevin T. - VRWC Going to play cards at camp instead. If we can get to it, another couple inches of snow last night. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Tyranny
John D. Giorgis spouting Pope Brand(tm) right-wing extremism: Deborah, the campaign against partial-birth abortion has lasted, I think, nearly a decade. Because we live in a republic, political change requires the changing of the hearts and minds of ordinary Americans. For better or for worse, those hearts and minds are not going to be changed while relying upon the medical jargon of academia. Rather it was necessary to communicate to the American people exactly what dilation and extraction means - partially birthing a child, and then killing it. JDG, the campaign against women's rights has lasted, I think, nearly a century. Because we live in a democratic republic, political change requires implementing a legislative/judicial slippery slope to change the jurisprudence and opinions of ordinary Judges and Legislators. For better or for worse, those Judges and Legislator are not going to be changed while relying upon science facts and evidence. Rather it was necessary to use Newspeak to Propagandize the American people to elect Legislators and Get Judges appointed who don't know what science facts and evidence mean - that all people are created (through evolution) equal. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Immigration and Inequality Re: Race to the Bottom
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:30 PM 3/17/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: What do you mean by needs? I mean that if we were suddenly to get rid of the millions of illegal workers in the country, we would have a very difficult time finding millions of people to work in construction, fruit and vegetable picking, and janitorial/custodial services.This would, of course, be disastrous for our economy. In addition, as you are well aware, our country badly needs immigration to keep our population up as we hit the demographic bulge. Here you argue vehemently against the laws of supply and demand. Your argument is equivalent to pro-slavery arguments. In my mind, isn't it far better to let the *market* decide what sort of labor it needs, and to let people who can find jobs to accept the employment that is offered to them? Here you argue vehemently for the laws of supply and demand. So which is it? Or are you just being a typical reptiliKlan hypocrite? I also find it difficult to believe that immigrants are a net burden on social services. In general, immigrants are not elgible for welfare, and those restrictions were tightened in 1996. Immigrants are generally not elgible for things like Social Security, Medicare, and Unemployment either. Indeed, in general immigrants tend to have jobs and to the extent that we can regularize that employment of the millions of illegal immigrants already here, then can presumably become taxpayers as well. To the extent that immigrants bring and produce children that need to be educated, I tend to consider that an investment in our future tax base, and indeed, most studies have found that second generation immigrants are very likely to be net tax contributors. So I take it you'd like to return to slavery or the Confederacy. Typical reptiliKKKlan. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:17 AM 3/19/04, The Fool wrote: From: John Doe [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 But what if I don't believe in God? That means you are above average in intelligence and education. O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish. But to be learned is good if they hearken unto the counsels of God. (2 Nephi 9:28-29) A lunatic is easily recognized. He is a moron who doesn't know the ropes. The moron proves his thesis; he has a logic, however twisted it may be. The lunatic, on the other hand, doesn't concern himself at all with logic; he works by short circuits. For him, everything proves everything else. The lunatic is all idee fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy. You can tell him by the liberties he takes with common sense, by his flashes of inspiration, and by the fact that sooner or later he brings up the Templars. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Taiwan President assassination attempt
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/386648|top|03-19-2004::09:48|reuter s.html Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian survived an assassination attempt on Friday while campaigning on the eve of a presidential election, escaping with a bullet wound to the stomach. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:17:40 -0600 From: John Doe [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 But what if I don't believe in God? That means you are above average in intelligence and education. Huh? I don't think so Fool. Essentially, what you are saying is that if one does not believe in God, they are smarter than the average bear. Well, that's not how it works. You see, what just might put you on or above the level of Yogi, is recognizing that taking a blind stand behind an issue is often flawed. In this case it's belief in God or the concept of. And the truth is, nobody really knows. Unless of course you're privy to some information that the rest of us mere mortals are not. -Travis I doubt it Edmunds _ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March Madness!
John D. Giorgis wrote: I don't see how Atlanta became the consensus toughest region - even though such talk is purely academic since each bracket has 16 seeds. O.k., I like Duke and MS St. a lot, but Texas? They've lost a lot of players since their Final Four run last year. Sure Arizona has a lot of experience, but they struggled in a very weak Pac-10 this year. A lot of people think that Cincinnati is the weakest of the five CUSA co-champions, and Illinois was thoroughly exposed by Wisconsin in a very, very, weak Big 10 Conference. I would rate Seton Hall is the weakest of the Big East teams as well... and the Big East's very high level of defense can pose a lot of problems for teams from other conferences.To the extent that one bracket can be stronger than the others, I just don't see it in Atlanta. And if Texas doesn't become the national champion, a local car dealer will *not* give one lucky customer $1 million. :D (It's a Ford dealer, I think Leif Johnson Ford, but not positive on that. They've had ads about this running since basketball season started.) I'm pretty excited about the basketball, but I'm not having anywhere near as much time to watch as I did last year. Trying to stay on top of it as best I can, though. (But just in case, anyone want to let me know when Texas and Texas Tech get eliminated? Those are the teams I care most about right this minute.) Julia experiencing March Insanity having nothing to do with basketball, and everything to do with RL stuff ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:52:39 -0600 From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:17 AM 3/19/04, The Fool wrote: From: John Doe [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 But what if I don't believe in God? That means you are above average in intelligence and education. O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish. But to be learned is good if they hearken unto the counsels of God. (2 Nephi 9:28-29) A lunatic is easily recognized. He is a moron who doesn't know the ropes. The moron proves his thesis; he has a logic, however twisted it may be. The lunatic, on the other hand, doesn't concern himself at all with logic; he works by short circuits. For him, everything proves everything else. The lunatic is all idee fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy. You can tell him by the liberties he takes with common sense, by his flashes of inspiration, and by the fact that sooner or later he brings up the Templars. OOH I wanna say one...please??? The prating FOOL shall fall Not sure where that is exactly, but it's in the bible. -Travis float like a butterfly, sting like a bee Edmunds _ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Doe wrote: The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 But what if I don't believe in God? I don't think that makes a difference as long as She believes in you. ;) Then she can sit around with the easter bunny, santa clause, a couple of mermaids, and a unicorn and discuss it. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Libertarian Purity Test
Kevin Tarr wrote: ... (Actually, I agree with whoever said that the wording was far too strong to answer a flat 'yes' to many questions, but a graded response would have placed me on a somewhat more libertarian side. But only somewhat!) Debbi Every question seemed easy to me; they were straight forward. Paraphrasing: Do you think medical marijuana should be legal Y/N? Do you think carrying less than 5 grams of marijuana should be legal? Do you think any amount of M should be legal? Do you think all drugs should be decriminalised? Isn't that how a person forms their thoughts? No qualifications, no if/but; just this is the issue in black and white, this is a dividing line, which side do you choose? I took it, and got a 10 or something. I don't think it was well-designed, because it insisted on viewing complex issues in terms that were too simple. For instance, I'm usually for market-based solutions to problems. But a completely free market is seldom best, government regulation is needed to frame the market so it operates well. How should I answer? Sometimes is not an option. Kevin, your drug example is a special case. Most issues are not so straight forward. ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:17 AM 3/19/04, The Fool wrote: From: John Doe [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 But what if I don't believe in God? That means you are above average in intelligence and education. O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish. But to be learned is good if they hearken unto the counsels of God. (2 Nephi 9:28-29) A lunatic is easily recognized. He is a moron who doesn't know the ropes. The moron proves his thesis; he has a logic, however twisted it may be. The lunatic, on the other hand, doesn't concern himself at all with logic; he works by short circuits. For him, everything proves everything else. The lunatic is all idee fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy. You can tell him by the liberties he takes with common sense, by his flashes of inspiration, and by the fact that sooner or later he brings up the Templars. OOH I wanna say one...please??? The prating FOOL shall fall Not sure where that is exactly, but it's in the bible. To the rational mind, nothing is inexplicable; only unexplained. --Dr. Who ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Lieing Under Oath
From: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:57 AM 3/16/2004 -0600 Horn, John wrote: The issue here in many people's minds is given what we've learned about the intelligence, folks don't think that Bush believed it to be true. That it was a convenient story to get what he wanted. My, how far have we come from four years ago when Bush's critics thought that he was too dumb to come up with any original thoughts beyond what he was told.Now, of course, he is a very clever manipulator of the US intelligence services. Not a manipulator of the intelligence services, a manipulator of the US public and public opinion. Very different things. I don't see how you can possibly argue that that statement is impeachable, when in fact it is 100% accurate. British intelligence services did and do say that. I never said it was. I was merely making a point that the defense that Bush wasn't lieing because he believed it to be true might not completely hold water. - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Libertarian Purity Test
From: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bcaplan.com/cgi/purity.cgi 11. Kinda reassuring, actually. What is reassuring is that *someone* finally had a lower score than I did. 18 JDG - Resident crazy conservative, right? Hmmm... I might have to take another look at some of those questions... Perhaps I was reading them wrong. grin Though Libertarianism doesn't seem to be on the same x-y spectrum as liberal vs. conservative. The Libertarians seem to be... out there ... somewhere... - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March Madness!
I'm pretty excited about the basketball, but I'm not having anywhere near as much time to watch as I did last year. Trying to stay on top of it as best I can, though. (But just in case, anyone want to let me know when Texas and Texas Tech get eliminated? Those are the teams I care most about right this minute.) They both won yesterday, Texas rather easily over Princeton, and Texas Tech in a tougher game barely beat UNC-Charlotte. And, not that you asked, UTEP fell by only 3 against Maryland. Texas plays North Carolina tomorrow. Texas Tech plays St. Joe's, also tomorrow. -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Race to the Bottom
- Original Message - From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Race to the Bottom At 03:38 PM 3/13/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: Right here is where I depart. The labor pool of possible employees increased by 49% from '57 to '80, but by only 32% from '80 to '03. (The participation in the work force increased 60% and 37%, respectively. During the first time period inequality decreased; during the second it increased. Not only that, but the increase was not just a transfer of income share from the poor to the rich, it was a transfer from everyone to the rich. I don't understand what you are driving at here. I am aware that inequality has increased since @1978. But what do the different increases in the size of labor force have to do with this? It has a lot to do with it if George Borjas's work is to be accepted. Gautam and I agree with his point that the basic differences between balance in the the supply and demand of labor is behind much of the difference in inquality between the US and Germany. This is true even though German unemployment is higher than US unemployment. I think you are looking at unemployment figures to determine the balance. But, as prices change, both supply and demand changes. For example, there is a break even wage for a mother of two to work outside of the home, if the two children require day care as a result of her working. Also, a lawn service at $20/week has a far bigger market than a lawn service at $100/week. I think this basic difference is worth settling before going on. If I understand Gautam correctly, if you differ with the basic premise we agree upon, you also disagree with the gold standard for understanding the source of economic inequality. Then again, since Gautam and I managed to have a fairly spirited discussion, only to find we agree far more than we differ (and may be in full agreement), it is also possible that you agree with Borjas, and simply have a different take on it. Anyways, I think this is worth working out before continuing. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Race to the Bottom
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Race to the Bottom --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope this helps to clarify things. Dan M. I think it does - I'm not sure that we disagree at all. If the decrease in the demand for labor is uniform across all industrialized countries, then it may be reasonable to assume it as a given (I don't know that Borjas does). I haven't seen anything that indicates that jobs have been growing faster in Germany than here over the last 20 years. One other interesting point. Even with the better balance (as far as workers are concerned) between demand and supply of labor in Germany, their unemployment rate is higher. I'm sure Borjas considers this, I'd like to see how he figures it in. Maybe I need to buy the book. :-) I'm not sure, though, that your numbers on labor supply increase include illegals - if they don't, then that doesn't take into account a huge factor, both because of the huge # of illegals and because they have a larger impact than their pure numbers would imply. My guess is that its a mixed bag. Some illegals hold legal jobs with fake SS numbers, others are paid below minimum wage in cash, with no reporting to the Feds. I'll try to work those numbers in after I return from visiting my folks this weekend. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [ADMIN] Call for administrative action
Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] snippage serious You do realize that I was agreeing with your statement WRT 'some people just may be ignoring this as childish?' Honestly I didn't. I noted agreement in the first paragraph, noted silliness in the rest, followed you up until the trolling bit, then got lost in a big pile of cranio-rectal dystocia...haha...!! And with all the silliness, I didn't know whether or not you having a laugh at my expense. Ah, no -- now one of the post-replies that never got sent, having to do with 'the impetuous and oh-so-sure-of-itselfness-of-youth' -- *that* would have been laughing at you. ;) Debbi who read some of your posts feeling that she was looking at a time-warp of her own impassioned youthful certainty (although the _direction_ of surety was quite different) :) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Doe [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip But what if I don't believe in God? That means you are above average in intelligence and education. My M.D. and my well-above-average IQ (even after a significant closed head injury) disagree with your supposition. Debbi who LOL'd at Ritu's response __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Libertarian Purity Test
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: [I wrote] (Actually, I agree with whoever said that the wording was far too strong to answer a flat 'yes' to many questions, but a graded response would have placed me on a somewhat more libertarian side. But only somewhat!) Every question seemed easy to me; they were straight forward. Paraphrasing: Do you think medical marijuana should be legal Y/N? sniplet Isn't that how a person forms their thoughts? No qualifications, no if/but; just this is the issue in black and white, this is a dividing line, which side do you choose? I took it, and got a 10 or something. I don't think it was well-designed, because it insisted on viewing complex issues in terms that were too simple. Ditto that last phrase. sniplet How should I answer? Sometimes is not an option. Kevin, your drug example is a special case. Most issues are not so straight forward. grin The drug questions were the only reason I scored as 'high' as I did! If an adult wants to kill off their own brain cells, reduce their fertility (and sometimes libido) or turn their liver into dogmeat, why should I care -- as long as it doesn't affect anybody else? [Of course, there's the rub... :/ ] Debbi who voted for medical marijuana usage when the referendum was on the ballot [there is legit need, IMO] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
At 01:11 PM 3/19/04, Travis Edmunds wrote: And the truth is, nobody really knows. Unless of course you're privy to some information that the rest of us mere mortals are not. Oh, I am. But I don't think the rest of you mortals want to know what came to pass in the privy . . . -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Abstinence-Only funding $500K tax dollars: Civil Rights = AIDS propaganda
On 19 Mar 2004, at 11:34 pm, The Fool wrote: http://www.gorenfeld.net/blog// 2004_03_01_barchive.html#1079470027841075 97 Abstinence-Only educator discovers link between AIDS, civil rights Just what kind of expert is attracted to Abstinence-Only funding -- the recipients of which aren't allowed to talk about condoms, except as a menace? Meet Dr. William L. Bergman, M.D. The good doctor is one of the creators of Free Teens U.S.A., the Moonie sex-ed program. With help from a White House grant just under $500,000, its paid professionals spend their time convincing New Jersey schoolkids to reflect upon how sex is just like drinking other people's spit in grotesque classroom exercises. So why did they leave out golden showers and rimming then? And why would marriage make it any more tasteful? Or tasty even :) The problem with this 'sex is so bad unless you're married' agenda is that any kid that actually believed it would have problems working out why it was any less gross when they were married... Oh wait. doG says it's alright to put your tongue there now you are married although it is utterly gross and vile otherwise. That's Ok then... Maybe they have some transubstantiation dogma where married bodily secretions turn into grape soda? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible. - Bertrand Russell ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
At 06:03 PM 3/19/04, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE - Original Message - From: John Doe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:17:40 -0600 But what if I don't believe in God? That means you are above average in intelligence and education. Why, thank you for your kind words, sir! :-) JD, with an IQ of 137 Mine is 158. Wanna compare penis' next? Mine was precisely measured as sqrt(pi^(e^pi)) Micrometers? -- Ronn! :) The contents of this message © 2004 by the author. All rights reserved. Any reproduction, redistribution, duplication, forwarding, dissemination, publication, broadcast, transmission or other use of the contents of this message, in whole or in part, with or without attribution, with or without this copyright statement, in any form by any means whatsoever is strictly and expressly prohibited. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
- Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE - Original Message - From: John Doe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:17:40 -0600 But what if I don't believe in God? That means you are above average in intelligence and education. Why, thank you for your kind words, sir! :-) JD, with an IQ of 137 Mine is 158. Wanna compare penis' next? Mine was precisely measured as sqrt(pi^(e^pi)) Mom always said I was an irrational number. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:17:40 -0600 But what if I don't believe in God? That means you are above average in intelligence and education. Why, thank you for your kind words, sir! :-) JD, with an IQ of 137 _ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
Travis Edmunds wrote: The prating FOOL shall fall Not sure where that is exactly, but it's in the bible. Proverbs 10:8 The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall. Proverbs 10:10 He that winketh with the eye causeth sorrow: but a prating fool shall fall. Searchable King James version of the Bible at http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pledge of Allegence
Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debbi wrote: Debbi who 'fits in' more with being a Westerner than anything else...too polite to be a Northeasterner, too outspoken to be a Southerner, likes too much spicy food to be a Midwesterner... ;) Hey! This Midwesterner eats spicy Mexican, Indian, and Thai food on a pretty regular basis (not as regular as I'd like for the Thai stuff). Well, as a Brineller of course you'd be an unusual Midwesterner! Debbi whose tongue still recoils in horror at the memory of some of the bland and colorless food consumed in various places... ;) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Abstinence-Only funding $500K tax dollars: Civil Rights = AIDS propaganda
http://www.gorenfeld.net/blog//2004_03_01_barchive.html#1079470027841075 97 Abstinence-Only educator discovers link between AIDS, civil rights Just what kind of expert is attracted to Abstinence-Only funding -- the recipients of which aren't allowed to talk about condoms, except as a menace? Meet Dr. William L. Bergman, M.D. The good doctor is one of the creators of Free Teens U.S.A., the Moonie sex-ed program. With help from a White House grant just under $500,000, its paid professionals spend their time convincing New Jersey schoolkids to reflect upon how sex is just like drinking other people's spit in grotesque classroom exercises. I've been trying to convey that it's not so much the religious beliefs of the Unification Church that matter--it's the group's clout in Washington as an openly fascist political organization. (If Dr. William L. Bergman thinks the felonious owner of the Washington Times is the Messiah, what business is that of ours?) What is important is that your tax dollars are funding ideas like these: Dr. William Bergman, once-director of Moon's Unification church, produced a slide program for schools called The Private Plague: AIDS, Sexually Transmitted Diseases a Strategy for our Youth at Risk. Bergman's program teaches that these diseases have roots in the civil rights movement which allegedly led to moral relativism. (Clarkson's source: The Private Plague slide program manual, p. 23.) Shrub 04: Don't Switch Horsemen Mid-Apocalypse ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Tyranny
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tyranny Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:47:21 -0500 At 04:28 PM 3/18/2004 +0100 John Doe wrote: Again, there is nothing in current law in the United States that prevents homosexual couples from publicly committing themselves to each other. Apparently there is, otherwise the whole discussion about gay marriage wouldn't have happened. One of my closest female friends married her girlfriend in a Unitarian Church a couple years ago. The ceremony was a public commitment and was definitely not illegal. Good for them! Out of curiosity, where did they get married? And is this marriage recognized by the State or the Federal Government? AFAIK, most States still don't allow/recognize gay marriage. Oh, and while you're at it, would you mind answering that other question I asked you in that same message? I'd like to hear your views on this. (Maybe you already shared those views earlier, but I only subscribed to this list a few days ago.) JD _ Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/columnists/michaeljohnmccrae/ article103.html Gays are nothing more than misguided unbelievers that need direction and instruction in the ways of righteousness. If they come to know the True and Living God of Heaven (not some form of made up god) then perhaps they will really discover their need to repent and clean up their act. If homosexuals choose to remain hellbound, then that is their choice. Knowledgeable Christians can pray and continue to speak out to remind the homosexual community there is still hope in repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. LOL :) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our products just aren't engineered for security. - Brian Valentine, senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows development team. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
- Original Message - From: John Doe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:17:40 -0600 But what if I don't believe in God? That means you are above average in intelligence and education. Why, thank you for your kind words, sir! :-) JD, with an IQ of 137 Mine is 158. Wanna compare penis' next? G xponent Less Than Useful Measurements In This Context Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Tyranny
From: John Doe [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, and while you're at it, would you mind answering that other question I asked you in that same message? I'd like to hear your views on this. (Maybe you already shared those views earlier, but I only subscribed to this list a few days ago.) Best to read the archives starting in january for that discussion: http://www.mccmedia.com/pipermail/brin-l/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE
On 19 Mar 2004, at 9:02 pm, John Doe wrote: From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:17:40 -0600 But what if I don't believe in God? That means you are above average in intelligence and education. Why, thank you for your kind words, sir! :-) JD, with an IQ of 137 Isn't that close to being retarded? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. - Bjarne Stroustrup ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Terrorists Win in Spain
At 04:20 PM 3/18/2004 +0100 John Doe wrote: So, John, 200k civilian deaths is little to no evidence for you? Then how many civilians should have been killed before you accept that ethnic cleansing happened? Couple of millions? Just for the record, I said that there was little to no evidence of genocide. In fact, I used precisely the words ethnic cleansing to describe what was going on. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Terrorists Win in Spain
- Original Message - From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Terrorists Win in Spain At 04:20 PM 3/18/2004 +0100 John Doe wrote: So, John, 200k civilian deaths is little to no evidence for you? Then how many civilians should have been killed before you accept that ethnic cleansing happened? Couple of millions? Just for the record, I said that there was little to no evidence of genocide. In fact, I used precisely the words ethnic cleansing to describe what was going on. The combination of which I took for the pushed a lot of people out of their homes, but they didn't kill all that many. The Dutchbat report does document genocide. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
New Doctor announced
The BBC announced that Christopher Eccleston will play the title role in the new production of Doctor Who, which will start production this spring and will air next year. Eccleston, who co-starred with Nicole Kidman in the film The Others, will be the ninth actor to play the part. -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Closest Near Miss On Record - Today
Movie of the flyby: http://science.nasa.gov/spaceweather/swpod2004/19mar04/Masi1.gif -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
From CNN: Many rural Africans may have HIV-like virus from hunting and handling fresh primate meat
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.primate19mar19,0,5911198.story ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
More outsourcing . . .
Mentioned by Jay Leno in his monologue tonight: calls from welfare recipients in Utah to the state office are being answered in India . . . http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Mar/03172004/business/148517.asp -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
