Re: Religious zealot slaughters children
William T Goodall wrote: On 18 Jun 2005, at 8:51 pm, KZK wrote: Tens of millions killed by Indian (continental) cult 'thugees'. Hundreds of millions killed by roman catholic church. Story at eleven. Are you a new troll or an old troll with a new address? I must be a new troll. Lol. I was just pointing out that Mr. Ockrassa's Slanderous remarks are no different from pres. Bush and other Lying, weaseling Rightwing leaders accuse atheists of being the the cause of the holocaust. Nor is it very far removed from Reverend Falwells viciously slanderous remarks: I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen' about 911. Not very different at all. In fact it is the same tactics being used by the Rightwing media to slander Sen. Durbin and misdirect attention away from Guantanamo Bay and torture. The question is not whether the US man who murdered his 9 children was like Stalin--clearly he was not. The question is whether he is different enough. If all you can say to defend this child murderer is point to Stalin and say Stalin was worse then you are despicable indeed. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Crucified nun dies in 'exorcism'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4107524.stm A Romanian nun has died after being bound to a cross, gagged and left alone for three days in a cold room in a convent, Romanian police have said. Members of the convent in north-west Romania claim Maricica Irina Cornici was possessed and that the crucifixion had been part of an exorcism ritual. Cornici was found dead on the cross on Wednesday after fellow nuns called an ambulance, according to police. A priest and four nuns were charged with imprisonment leading to death. Police say the 23-year-old nun, who was denied food and drink throughout her ordeal, had been tied and chained to the cross and a towel pushed into her mouth to smother any sounds. A post-mortem is to be carried out, although initial reports say that Cornici died from asphyxiation. Local media reports that the young woman had arrived at the remote convent three months before, having initially gone there to visit a friend and opted to stay. She grew up in an orphanage in Arad, in the west of Romania. Mediafax news agency said Cornici suffered from schizophrenia and the symptoms of her condition caused the priest at the convent and other nuns to believe she was possessed by the devil. They all said she was possessed and they were trying to cast out the evil spirits, police spokeswoman Michaela Straub said. Father Daniel who is accused of orchestrating the crime is said to be unrepentant. God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from evil, AFP quoted the priest as saying. I don't understand why journalists are making such a fuss about this. Exorcism is a common practise in the heart of the Romanian Orthodox church and my methods are not at all unknown to other priests, Father Daniel added. If found guilty of killing Cornici, Father Daniel and the accused nuns could face 20 years in jail. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ How long a minute is depends on which side of the bathroom door you're on. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religious zealot slaughters children
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:16:10 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote Naturally; but then, we *all* believe our opinions to be correct. If we felt otherwise, we would not hold those opinions. But sometimes we forget that they are *only* opinions, unfortunately. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voicemail: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religious zealot slaughters children
At 10:16 AM Sunday 6/19/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:16:10 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote Naturally; but then, we *all* believe our opinions to be correct. If we felt otherwise, we would not hold those opinions. But sometimes we forget that they are *only* opinions, unfortunately. A guy I knew in the Air Force was fond of saying Everybody is entitled to his own ridiculous opinion . . . _ or her, if applicable Generic Male Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religious zealot slaughters children
On 19 Jun 2005, at 6:39 pm, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:16 AM Sunday 6/19/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:16:10 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote Naturally; but then, we *all* believe our opinions to be correct. If we felt otherwise, we would not hold those opinions. But sometimes we forget that they are *only* opinions, unfortunately. A guy I knew in the Air Force was fond of saying Everybody is entitled to his own ridiculous opinion . . . It's that kind of disregard for critical thinking that allows the pernicious evil of religion to flourish and bring misery and suffering to millions around the world. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Aerospace is plumbing with the volume turned up. - John Carmack ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Free book!
Charles Stross has put up a free to download copy of his new novel Accelerando in several formats at http://www.accelerando.org/book/ -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Misuse of IMPs leads to strange, difficult-to-diagnose bugs. - Anguish et al. Cocoa Programming ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Scouted: Your credit card payment just doubled
This is going to be painful for quite a few people. As the commentary says below, it is very coincidental that this change comes just a few months before the new and tougher bankruptcy laws take affect. Personally, I think that requiring a higher minimum payment is a good idea, but applying that change to people that have figured current payments into their budget, will be disastrous. And, I'm not sure how they can get away with this type of change if it wasn't specified in the original credit agreement. I am also very disturbed that this has been kept so quiet. I found this by accident in ONE newspaper. I am not much into conspiracy theories, but I couldn't find this on ABCnews.com or CNN. It is mostly on the smaller news sites and papers. I thought a change that would be this huge would be all over the headlines. I did a search on the Comptroller of the Currency website, and found a few pages that mention this using very ambiguous and vague terminology. From MSN... Your credit card payment just doubled Good news: Credit card companies are doubling their minimum payments. Bad news: Credit card companies are doubling their minimum payments. Huh? So far, MBNA, Citibank and Bank of America have announced they are doubling minimum monthly payments on credit card balances from 2% to 4%. Others are expected to follow suit quickly. To some cardholders, that could be seen as a good thing. To others it could be devastating. Complete article... http://makeashorterlink.com/?N1EF5194B An interesting commentary. This is BIG, BIG NEWS! Yet except by accident, have you heard any major announcement about raising minimum payments? Did you see it blaring on the primary news channels? Your credit card payment just doubled. Isn't that newsworthy?. Don't you think this should be shouted from the house top? But instead it is spoken of in whispers... until the new bankruptcy plan is neatly in place. Coincidence? I don't think so. And why has it been so unannounced? First of all it is very unpopular with the industry's best customers... those are the ones so deep into credit card debt that they cannot see the top. Secondly, bottom line profit loss is at stake if these best customers can more easily declare bankruptcy and have this debt written off before the new law takes affect. GUIDE COMMENTARY Though I applaud the credit card minimum payment increase, I cannot help but chastise the credit industry and Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) for the timing. I believe there is far too much coincidence that the new bankruptcy law just happens to occur at the same time as raising minimum payment rates. Allow me to ellaborate: Complete article... http://makeashorterlink.com/?X6FF5594B Another article http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/11772213.htm ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Your credit card payment just doubled
I was totally unaware of this. I have a little less than $4K in CC debt, though one is at a very low interest rate and is in process to be paid off in the next 3 months or so. The other's not so easy. Found out my fiancee is pregnant, so this definitely puts a wrench into things. Hopefully I can generate the cash in time before the minimums go up, so I can keep the max amount of cash on-hand to prepare... Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: Esci's BMP-1 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Now, this is just thoroughly tasteless....
On Jun 18, 2005, at 9:42 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 7:37 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: I wonder how they'd feel about someone using pages from a Bible to construct something from papier mache? Sheesh. More appropriate might be shreds of the US flag. Flag-idolizers in the USA are no more or less nutty to me than Koran-idolizers in the Islamic world, although the American nuts generally seem less likely to call for the death of the offender than their Islamic brethren. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Cover-up or protection?
On Jun 18, 2005, at 5:13 AM, PAT MATHEWS wrote: Not to say the problems with mercury might not be there! The condition has certainly increased far beyond what population increase and better diagnosis could account for. Though I do like the explanation offered by Wired Magazine for Silicon Valley's huge increase, We're breeding geeks there. Not too many people are aware of the natural connection between Silicon Valley and mercury. One of the area's natural attractions is the Almaden Quicksilver County Park, whose name is not just a pretty word attached to a pretty place: quicksilver is what was mined there. Or, more accurately, Cinnabar ore was mined there, from which quicksilver was extracted. I have always suspected (with virtually no scientific evidence to back up my suspicions) that the high level of mercury in fish caught in SF Bay is related to the valley's natural mercury. As for breeding geeks, I suspect that the mercury has very little to do with it. I just thought I'd show off my limited knowledge of the history of my adopted home. Dave breeding a geek in my spare time at home Land ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Your credit card payment just doubled
On Jun 19, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Gary Nunn wrote: And, I'm not sure how they can get away with this type of change if it wasn't specified in the original credit agreement. Wouldn't surprise me at all (read: I am too lazy to get up and actually look at any of my credit card agreements) to find that most agreements have a subject to change without notice clause. Dave Subject to change comes from within without notice Land ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad
On Jun 19, 2005, at 5:26 AM, William T Goodall wrote: ... Oh, really? Who cares? I am very much aware that Christians and other religious and irreligious fanatics and people who just don't care do bad things. They're human. Plenty of atheists and don't-cares do bad things, too. Shall we turn the list into a place to post horrific things that people of various religious and irreligious stripes have done? I think not. Basta, brother. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religious zealot slaughters children
On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:05 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: McMocracy :-) Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religious zealot slaughters children
On Jun 18, 2005, at 11:24 PM, KZK wrote: William T Goodall wrote: Are you a new troll or an old troll with a new address? I must be a new troll. Lol. I was just pointing out that Mr. Ockrassa's Slanderous remarks are no different from pres. Bush and other Lying, weaseling Rightwing leaders accuse atheists of being the the cause of the holocaust. Nor is it very far removed from Reverend Falwells viciously slanderous remarks: I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen' about 911. Not very different at all. I had no idea that Mr. Ockrassa's comments on an obscure mailing list had led to the deaths of thousands upon thousands of Iraqis and Americans. Impeach Warren Ockrassa! In fact it is the same tactics being used by the Rightwing media to slander Sen. Durbin and misdirect attention away from Guantanamo Bay and torture. The question is not whether the US man who murdered his 9 children was like Stalin--clearly he was not. The question is whether he is different enough. If all you can say to defend this child murderer is point to Stalin and say Stalin was worse then you are despicable indeed. Where did /anybody/ defend this guy? I think several people in this thread have pointed out that the mere fact that he was a religious zealot and the fact that he killed his children does not taint religion itself or those who find comfort and community in it. The question is whether we continue to support the annoying tendency of certain posters to assert that it was this insane individual's religious zealotry that caused him to kill his children, when it is at least as likely that his insanity drove him to both his religious zealotry and the murder of his children. Maybe it's time for someone to take up the cause of knee-jerk criticisms of crazy people? Every time any crazy act is mentioned on list, that person needs to chime in with See, craziness is evil and should be eradicated. Dave Religion is the Mass of the Opiates Land ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religious zealot slaughters children
The question is whether we continue to support the annoying tendency of certain posters to assert that it was this insane individual's religious zealotry that caused him to kill his children, when it is at least as likely that his insanity drove him to both his religious zealotry and the murder of his children. Yeah, cause we all REALLY know it was Dungeons Dragons that drove him to do it... Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: Esci's BMP-1 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad
On 19 Jun 2005, at 10:55 pm, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 5:26 AM, William T Goodall wrote: ... Oh, really? Who cares? LOL. Hiding your head in the sand doesn't make religion any less monstrously evil. I'm fed up reading knee-jerk woolly-minded garbage about how great religion is. I'll just post a few actual facts about what religion is really about. Obscene evil, that's what. Rape, murder, child-abuse, cannibalism, genocide, oppression and hatred. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad
- Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad I'm fed up reading knee-jerk woolly-minded garbage about how great religion is. I'll just post a few actual facts about what religion is really about. Obscene evil, that's what. Rape, murder, child-abuse, cannibalism, genocide, oppression and hatred. Speaking of woolly minded garbage. If you were to count all the man-hours spent by people on this list or even people that you know, I would be willing to bet that not a second was spent on Rape, murder, child-abuse, cannibalism, genocide, and oppression. I'll give you hatred, well..cuz I'm in a giving mood today. I figure that among all the people on the list and the people you know there might have been a little hatred mixed with religion, but not very much if my experience is typical. By the way, we are planning to shear your brain on Tuesday if you can spare the time. G xponent Knitting Condoms For Stupid People Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad
- Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad I'm fed up reading knee-jerk woolly-minded garbage about how great religion is. I'll just post a few actual facts about what religion is really about. Obscene evil, that's what. Rape, murder, child-abuse, cannibalism, genocide, oppression and hatred. Speaking of woolly minded garbage. If you were to count all the man-hours spent by people on this list or even people that you know, In pursuit of religious activity I would be willing to bet that not a second was spent on Rape, murder, child-abuse, cannibalism, genocide, and oppression. I'll give you hatred, well..cuz I'm in a giving mood today. I figure that among all the people on the list and the people you know there might have been a little hatred mixed with religion, but not very much if my experience is typical. By the way, we are planning to shear your brain on Tuesday if you can spare the time. G xponent Knitting Condoms For Stupid People Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Free book!
On 6/19/05, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Stross has put up a free to download copy of his new novel Accelerando in several formats at http://www.accelerando.org/book/ -- William T Goodall I dunno... If it isn't pirated, it's just not the same. ~Maru Yo ho, ho! 'Tis a pirate's life for me We rip, we upload, we rifle and moot- Down-to-load me 'earties, Yo Ho! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religious zealot slaughters children
On Jun 18, 2005, at 11:24 PM, KZK wrote: I was just pointing out that Mr. Ockrassa's Slanderous remarks are no different from pres. Bush and other Lying, weaseling Rightwing leaders accuse atheists of being the the cause of the holocaust. How much wind would it take from your sails to know I'm an atheist myself? I just dislike horse-pounding. William sometimes seems to play a one-note tune. There's a lot more to any discussion than religion is bad mm'kay. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religious zealot slaughters children
Religious Zealots Murder Each Other == A Romanian nun has died after being bound to a cross, gagged and left alone for three days in a cold room in a convent, Romanian police have said. Members of the convent in north-west Romania claim Maricica Irina Cornici was possessed and that the crucifixion had been part of an exorcism ritual. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4107524.stm == That's a little more like it. Keep it in the family. *In* the family. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religious zealot slaughters children
Warren Ockrassa wrote: Religious Zealots Murder Each Other == A Romanian nun has died after being bound to a cross, gagged and left alone for three days in a cold room in a convent, Romanian police have said. Members of the convent in north-west Romania claim Maricica Irina Cornici was possessed and that the crucifixion had been part of an exorcism ritual. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4107524.stm == That's a little more like it. Keep it in the family. *In* the family. Sounds incestuous when you put it that way Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religious zealot slaughters children
Damon Agretto wrote: Yeah, cause we all REALLY know it was Dungeons Dragons that drove him to do it... I must be the most evil person in the list, because I am christian, communist, heavy metal fan and DD player. Evil Alberto ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religious zealot slaughters children
On Jun 19, 2005, at 7:52 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I must be the most evil person in the list, because I am christian, communist, heavy metal fan and DD player. And a furriner. And prob'ly a turr'rist. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SPOUTED: Knee-jerk Atheist Spams List With Stories of Christians Gone Bad
And let us now remember the evil done by doctrinaire atheists such as Stalin and Mao. Verily it is not faith in diety or religion that causeth evil, but belief in all master narratives. If thou wouldst do no evil, have not faith, not even faith in no-faith. == If religion is indeed as hateful as William T Goodall says it is, then the fervent hatred of religion is also just an inverted religion. Anti-religion just manifests religious intolerance in another guise. Hatred without balance, reason, or limit is still hatred no matter how well founded the underlying theory. Indeed, the rational conclusion that religion is harmful has in modern times produced worse harm than religion itself, notably in the wake of the French Revolution and Communism. Furthermore, let us not forget, that from the 1850s to the 1960s or 1970s Marxism was based in (what for the times) were advanced historical and social scholarship. Even today global scholarship benefits from Marxian theory. Communists had and have an irrefutable modernist, rationalist pedigree. Being rational and modern is no guarantee at all against monstrosity. I'm with Voltaire. Most people NEED religion. Trying to quash religion makes as much sense as trying to repress sexuality. It simply won't work. Humans simply have a spiritual instinct. I see nothing constructive, or even terribly informative, in W.T. Goodall's hate-speech against some ill-defined phenomenon called religion. On Sunday 2005-06-19 15:28, William T Goodall wrote: On 19 Jun 2005, at 10:55 pm, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 5:26 AM, William T Goodall wrote: ... Oh, really? Who cares? LOL. Hiding your head in the sand doesn't make religion any less monstrously evil. I'm fed up reading knee-jerk woolly-minded garbage about how great religion is. I'll just post a few actual facts about what religion is really about. Obscene evil, that's what. Rape, murder, child-abuse, cannibalism, genocide, oppression and hatred. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
