Re: USA bashing is fun
Steve Sloan wrote: I'll grant you that doing day-month-year dates makes more sense than what we do, but only slightly. Day-month-year is still stupid, because it makes more sense for the highest-order to be first, so it should really be year-month-day. That way, you can sort on a computer much more easily, and it just makes more sense in general. That's the ISO standard. AFAIK, only Japanese use it regularly. It bugs me almost as much as my alarm clock, which turns a little LED on in the display to denote AM. It would make *much* more sense for PM to be the high bit, if you have to use 12-hour time at all. AM/PM is another weird way to express time. Why does 12 PM follow 11 AM? It makes no sense. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: mod format in Linux
Maru Dubshinki wrote: Does anyone know wtf is a .mod file in Linux? How can I get useful things out of it? It seems like it's a zip-like bundle of stuff. Really, Alberto. I'm somewhat disapointed in you. I tried to google it, but information overload sucked any chance I had to get a useful link :-/ But for your browsing delectation, here are some scrumptious links (I'll be assuming here that you are not talking about the Fortran thingy): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOD_(file_format) , http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.coco/browse_thread/thread/f934c 8fc1a5ae2d4/fb39a89903eddc0e?lnk=stq=.mod+filernum=10hl=en#fb39a89903eddc 0e or http://tinyurl.com/8gccq , http://www.modarchive.com/ I'll see what I can get. Thanks. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA bashing is fun
On 22 Aug 2005, at 1:35 am, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today's biggest br newspaper has a huge story about the return of Creationism to USA classes. It has the general flavour of look how those USAns are stupid to believe this nonsense. Alberto Monteiro Now, the interesting question for me is, why does this essentially only happen in the United States? The US is the most religious industrial nation, so I have to ask - do Christian Third World nations even teach about evolutionary theory? Do they have debates over whether it is taught? Why _just_ here? I honestly have no idea, and would be very curious as to anyone else's thoughts on the subject. I thought that although fundamentalism was on the rise in third world Christian countries they were still mostly Catholic and Anglican which accept evolution. The USA is unusual for being abnormally fundamentalist as well as abnormally religious. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ If you listen to a UNIX shell, can you hear the C? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Does the NYT EVER print anything that isn't dogawful tripe or Propaganda?
The Fool wrote: [snipped nice list] Sluggy Freelance is my main daily strip. I would add: VGCats (.com) to your list; nothing like weird video game cats. Kevin and Kell (herdthinners.com) was started by a syndicated print comic artist and is purely online. Girl Genius (girlgeniusonline.com) is really interested because it started as a published cult series (as in comic store comic) and is going online because Studio Foglio thinks its an easier format (regardless of whether or not the business model is better). Also, some of the ones you mentioned (and a whole bunch more) can be summed up by pointing out the big Internet syndicates (comic hosts) such as Keenspot and Drunk-Duck. -- --Max Battcher-- http://www.worldmaker.net/ I have no idea what I'm doing. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: FLCL and Paranoia Agent
Steve Sloan wrote: Maybe it's just a way of passing the torch to The Batman. The Batman isn't a bad show, but it's not even remotely as good as Batman: Animated. The villains are much more shallow, for one thing. That sounds like the answer to me. There were a lot of people unsatisfied when Batman Beyond was cancelled. The movie about The Joker helped some... I guess that Epilogue was one final chance to give the Batman Beyond characters a chance to finish things right. (IIRC, Batman Beyond was created specifically for the show, not drawing on previous comics, which made it something special to its hard-core fans.) This hard-core fan says what I just said, but from someone who knows what he is talking about: http://www.batbeyond.com/ -- --Max Battcher-- http://www.worldmaker.net/ I have no idea what I'm doing. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: FLCL and Paranoia Agent
From: Steve Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: Neon Genesis Evangelion (coming) That's good news. I keep hearing about that show, but I've never seen it. Gundam Seed Yup, that was worth watching. It reminds me of a Heinlein juvenile, where kids have to learn duty and moral lessons against the backdrop of a space war. These Gundam spinoffs never seem to run out of excuses for Earth and the space colonies to fight in big mecha -- this time, over human genetic engineering. The genocidal descendants of the Greens rule Earth, while the space colonies are full of Coordinators (aka the genetically engineered) and neutrals. Yes but will they show Gundam Seed Destiny? .hack//Legend of The Twilight Bracelet Really weak, compared to the earlier series, .hack/Sign. The story, characters, style, and look are nowhere near as good. Much more of a kiddie show. They tie into the .hack games. MEGAS XLR Hilarious. G.I. Joe Sigma Six (coming) CGI, I presume, like the other recent GI Joe movies? No. Anime. I don't watch / promote CGI. FullMetal Alchemist New--in 4 weeks Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex: 2nd Gig (coming) Damn good news, on both counts! Escaflowne Movie --in 3 weeks Also good news. The little bit of a series I saw a few years back, I think on Fox Kids, was pretty interesting. From what I've heard the movie and the show are pretty different... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: mod format in Linux
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know wtf is a .mod file in Linux? How can I get useful things out of it? It seems like it's a zip-like bundle of stuff. It could be a music file. You could try finding linux mod player. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Does the NYT EVER print anything that isn't dogawful tripe or Propaganda?
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: Their are dozens of free / daily / archived webcomix. A few of the better ones: Pewfell (older behind barrier): http://www.moderntales.com/series.php?name=pewfell5view=current Sluggy Freelance: http://www.sluggy.com/ Schlock Mercenary: http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ Errant Story http://www.errantstory.com/ User Friendly: http://www.userfriendly.org/static/ Something Positive: http://www.somethingpositive.net/index.html Angel Moxie: http://www.venisproductions.com/angelmoxie/index.html Goats: http://www.goats.com/ Girly: http://go-girly.com/ Overboard: http://www.ucomics.com/overboard/index.phtml Pearls Before Swine: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/pearls/index.html Little Dee: http://www.littledee.net/ Fighting Words: http://www.comicssherpa.com/site/feature?uc_comic=csnav I Drew This: http://idrewthis.org/index.html The Circle Weave (older behind barrier): http://www.circleweave.com/ Exploitation Now (Ended): http://www.exploitationnow.com/ Bleedman (PPG): http://bleedman.snafu-comics.com/?strip_id=0 (It's not like they aren't making PPGZ in Japan...) Sinfest: http://www.sinfest.net/ PvP: http://www.pvponline.com/ I like Sluggy, UF PVP. (Not that I've been keeping up with them very well) Hilight the Archives, all of which they have. I created a Proxomitron filter to put the larger User Friendly from the UF Archive on the front page... Pearls is in my newspaper, and I keep up with that one that way. There have been some really good zots there lately Not everyone gets it their paper. It's nothing great. Not like Something Positive, which is great. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA bashing is fun
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Steve Sloan wrote: I'll grant you that doing day-month-year dates makes more sense than what we do, but only slightly. Day-month-year is still stupid, because it makes more sense for the highest-order to be first, so it should really be year-month-day. That way, you can sort on a computer much more easily, and it just makes more sense in general. That's the ISO standard. AFAIK, only Japanese use it regularly. It bugs me almost as much as my alarm clock, which turns a little LED on in the display to denote AM. It would make *much* more sense for PM to be the high bit, if you have to use 12-hour time at all. AM/PM is another weird way to express time. Why does 12 PM follow 11 AM? It makes no sense. There's not really any such thing as 12PM -- 12:01PM, yes, but 12:00 is NOON. PM is post meridian which means after noon. How can you be noon AND after noon at the same time? :) (I think the 24-hour clock makes more sense.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: FLCL and Paranoia Agent
The Fool wrote: From: Steve Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] CGI, I presume, like the other recent GI Joe movies? No. Anime. I don't watch / promote CGI. So I take it that Veggie Tales is right out as far as you're concerned? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: FLCL and Paranoia Agent
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: From: Steve Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] CGI, I presume, like the other recent GI Joe movies? No. Anime. I don't watch / promote CGI. So I take it that Veggie Tales is right out as far as you're concerned? Search your feelings...You know it to be true! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Physics question
- Original Message - From: Maru Dubshinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 12:48 AM Subject: Re: Physics question On 8/22/05, Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minimum speed of time is the opposite: all possible acceleration, that is, light speed.Intuitively, this should make time stand still, and it does. And faster still would be going backwards in time (tachyons, anyone?). Speaking of which, if this were possible, HOW exactly would time go backwards? Would time flow backwards ONLY for the internal time reference (I assume; i.e. nuclear decay would go backwards, etc), or would you actually be able to see the universe go backwards in time in the same way we can now see the universe go forwards? Damon. If a physicist were here, There are at least two physicists here: Rich and myself. I've only been active on the list for about six years, so maybe you didn't notice that I'm here. :-) he'd probably smack us and tell us to distinguish between entropy and the arrow of time/dimension of time. That's not the real problem: the real problem in this thread is that you are trying to force special relativity (SR) into a classical physics box. In classical physics, we have x,y,z space, and a separate dimension t. We have d^2 =x^2+y^2+z^2 (where d is the distance between two objects.) The values for x, y, and z are coordinate system dependant: x, y, and z can be defined by any three orthanormal vectors (orthanormal vectors are both mutually orthogonal and have value 1). The value of d is coordinate system independent. In SR, we can see this as 4 dimensional spacetime: x,y,z, and ict. We have, for spacetime, the constant d^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 + (ict)^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - (ct)^2. i=sqrt(-1). Different relative velocities can be seen as rotations in spacetime between the space axes and the time axis. One way to look at it is to conveniently choose the x axis along the vector of the relative velocity between the two reference frame one is considering. In that case, we can reduce 4-space to 2-space: (x and ict). One thing is critical for relativity: all inertial references frames are equally valid. Anything that sneaks a preferred inertial reference frame in by the back door is inherently invalid, and leads to misunderstanding. Let's consider two observers in two reference frame. Observer 1 sees herself as stationary, and observer 2 as traveling at about 87% of the speed of light. Observer 1 sees observer 2's clock going at 50% of her own clock; sees objects in observer 2's reference frame as twice as heavy, and sees objects about 50% shorter than normal in observe 2's reference frame, along the direction of observer 2's velocity. Also, observer 2 sees herself as stationary, and observer 1 as traveling at about 87% of the speed of light. Observer 2 sees observer 1's clock going at 50% of her own clock; sees objects in observer 1's reference frame as twice as heavy, and sees objects about 50% shorter than normal in observe 1's reference frame, along the direction of observer 1's velocity. There is perfect symmetry. Each observation is equally valid. Finally, two objects that are timelike (a signal at the speed of light can travel from one point in spacetime to another), will have the same sequence in time for all observers. Two objects that are spacelike (a signal at the speed of light cannot travel from one point in spacetime to another), will be simultaneous in one inertial system, have A before B for some reference systems, and have B before A in the remainder of the reference systems. Hope this helps. If there are any questions, just yell. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Pittsburgh Eagles
I went to the National Aviary in Pittsburgh on Saturday. They have two bald eagles there. Both of them are missing their left wings. Too darn ironic in Scaife's town. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voicemail: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mindless and Heartless
Is anyone interested in discussing GWB's accountability issue here? I'm getting more and more convinced that the powers that be want do defend him from interacting with anyone from the benighted masses in any situation that is not totally favorable to him. I think he deserves to spend a half-an-hour getting an earfull from an angry mother whose son died doing something at his urging. Instead, the first thing that comes to the conservative's lips are accusations that she's being used by liberals, then they go as far as calling her racist (at least here they have). Regardless, even if those accusations are true, they don't actually negate accountability for a lost son. Perhaps someone wants to argue that GWB should *not* have to endure a half-hour with her, and maybe even that he's not accountable to her (or even the public). He certainly seems to be acting that way. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mindless and Heartless
Perhaps someone wants to argue that GWB should *not* have to endure a half-hour with her, and maybe even that he's not accountable to her (or even the public). Why, because of her views, is half an hour with her more important than half an hour with her other son, or his father (both of whom seem to think his death is a nobel sacrifice). How about all the others within a first degree of kinship (parent, child, sibling)? Don't they have an equal right to half an hour? That would be more than a full time job for a year. He certainly seems to be acting that way. He is accountable to the public; that's what elections are for. He clearly won the last one. Republicans also gained seats in the House and Senate in 2004; which indicates that the voting public had a preference for the Republicans. If that is changing, the 2006 elections are only a little more than a year away, and intelligent Republican congressmen and senators should have a feel for which way the wind is blowing. Finally, remember I didn't vote for him for president (I did pick him over a yellow dog for governor in '98). Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mindless and Heartless
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Mindless and Heartless Perhaps someone wants to argue that GWB should *not* have to endure a half-hour with her, and maybe even that he's not accountable to her (or even the public). Why, because of her views, is half an hour with her more important than half an hour with her other son, or his father (both of whom seem to think his death is a nobel sacrifice)? How about all the others within a first degree of kinship (parent, child, sibling)? ^^ of someone who has died in Iraq or Afganistan. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA bashing is fun
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Now, the interesting question for me is, why does this essentially only happen in the United States? The US is the most religious industrial nation, so I have to ask - do Christian Third World nations even teach about evolutionary theory? Do they have debates over whether it is taught? Why _just_ here? I honestly have no idea, and would be very curious as to anyone else's thoughts on the subject. Sadly, it isn't just here in the US. A few years ago this tendency reared its head in the UK. Here's one link as an example, where creationism was (is?) actually taught with evolution: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/longview_20020409.shtml I think I also saw last year an article about how it's slowly becoming an issue in Europe. Here's one example of that (and not even the one I was thinking of): http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3635794.stm Try googling creationism schools Europe for many more. Amanda ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mindless and Heartless
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:39:30 -0500, Dan Minette wrote Perhaps someone wants to argue that GWB should *not* have to endure a half-hour with her, and maybe even that he's not accountable to her (or even the public). Why, because of her views, is half an hour with her more important than half an hour with her other son, or his father (both of whom seem to think his death is a nobel sacrifice). Cite, please. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voicemail: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Intelligent Design
On Aug 20, 2005, at 6:40 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: This site has lots of interesting rebuttals to those who promote ID, as well as claim global warming's a crock and so on. Cute. http://www.venganza.org/ The guy behind the site seems to be a very decent guy. He's a nerd, too. I told him that his resume contained several fatal compiler errors (not the least of which is the fact that nobody can actually parse the headers in it because they're enclosed in C comment markers) and he asked me what compiler I'd tried to run it through... Funny guy. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA bashing is fun
On Aug 22, 2005, at 3:49 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: AM/PM is another weird way to express time. Why does 12 PM follow 11 AM? It makes no sense. Well, of course, meridian = middle, ad = before and post: after, so ad meridian means before the middle and post meridian after the middle. Of the day, presumably. 12 PM (exactly 12:00:00 -- you know, the time that is flashing on your VCR) is neither AM nor PM -- it is M. Then again, the meridian is supposed to be the middle of the day, but noon is not the middle of the day for most latitudes for most of the year. The times we refer to as 12PM begin an instant after M. What's wrong with our system is that midnight and noon are referred to as 12, rather than zero. And now, I must get back to my work, which, oddly enough, involves time and data calculations lately. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA bashing is fun
On Aug 21, 2005, at 5:35 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today's biggest br newspaper has a huge story about the return of Creationism to USA classes. It has the general flavour of look how those USAns are stupid to believe this nonsense. Now, the interesting question for me is, why does this essentially only happen in the United States? The US is the most religious industrial nation, so I have to ask - do Christian Third World nations even teach about evolutionary theory? Do they have debates over whether it is taught? Why _just_ here? I honestly have no idea, and would be very curious as to anyone else's thoughts on the subject. In part, it is because there are well-organized, well-funded groups behind the USA's anti-evolution crusade. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mindless and Heartless
- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Mindless and Heartless On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:39:30 -0500, Dan Minette wrote Perhaps someone wants to argue that GWB should *not* have to endure a half-hour with her, and maybe even that he's not accountable to her (or even the public). Why, because of her views, is half an hour with her more important than half an hour with her other son, or his father (both of whom seem to think his death is a nobel sacrifice). Cite, please. Sure, no problem Nick. quote Others in the family bitterly opposed Cindy's stance. In a statement, her sister-in-law - Casey's aunt - said that the rest of the Sheehan family supports the troops, our country and our president. Cindy's surviving son begged her to come home. It was revealed that her husband had filed for divorce. Their son's death, as in so many families, had strained their marriage rather than, as in others, making it stronger. unquote http://tinyurl.com/cdlee http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050819/cm_usatoday/cindysheehandecampsleavingverymixedmessages;_ylt=AqYNJoNff80.ib6rG5dFNmys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3YWFzYnA2BHNlYwM3NDI- Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mindless and Heartless
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:56:45 -0500, Dan Minette wrote quote Others in the family bitterly opposed Cindy's stance. In a statement, her sister-in-law - Casey's aunt - said that the rest of the Sheehan family supports the troops, our country and our president. Cindy's surviving son begged her to come home. It was revealed that her husband had filed for divorce. Their son's death, as in so many families, had strained their marriage rather than, as in others, making it stronger. unquote And you got her other son, or his father (both of whom seem to think his death is a nobel sacrifice) from that? Her sister-in-law was not speaking for Pat or their surviving son. What pat has said is that they wanted his wife home, not that they endorse this war. I recall reading that their other son was going to join her at Camp Casey, but I don't know if that happened yet -- hardly the action of someone who disagrees. I know Pat Sheehan's attitudes about this war quite well. We've dined and raised a few beers together and been on the same panels at peace events. We communicate by e-mail and phone periodically. I can tell you that he is no Bush supporter. His frustration is that he feels as though he has lost a son and a wife. I'm not betraying any confidences by telling you that -- he's said as much to the press. The split between Cindy and Pat is not about political differences. Although a split like this is never about one thing, in the end it was about priorities -- family v. politics. Cindy has thrown herself completely into political action. If there's another man in this sad story, it is the peace movement. Within GSFP, people have said that Cindy deserves extra support now that Pat has filed for divorce. I quickly added that we need to support Pat, too... and found that as I was writing that e-mail, somebody else had already written the same thing -- Cindy. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voicemail: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mindless and Heartless
Dan Minette wrote: Finally, remember I didn't vote for him for president (I did pick him over a yellow dog for governor in '98). What, Ann Richards? Why didn't you like that wonderful woman? xponent Rove Lies Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Moog dies
Synthesizer innovator Moog dies at 71 RALEIGH, North Carolina (AP) -- Robert A. Moog, whose self-named synthesizers turned electric currents into sound and opened the musical wave that became electronica, has died. He was 71. Moog died Sunday at his home in Asheville, according to his company's Web site. He had suffered from an inoperable brain tumor, detected in April. A childhood interest in the theremin, one of the first electronic musical instruments, would lead Moog to a create a career and business that tied the name Moog as tightly to synthesizers as the name Les Paul is to electric guitars. Despite traveling in circles that included jet-setting rockers, he always considered himself a technician. I'm an engineer. I see myself as a toolmaker and the musicians are my customers, he said in 2000. They use the tools. As a Ph.D. student in engineering physics at Cornell University, Moog -- rhymes with vogue -- in 1964 developed his first voltage-controlled synthesizer modules with composer Herbert Deutsch. By the end of that year, R.A. Moog Co. marketed the first commercial modular synthesizer. The instrument allowed musicians, first in a studio and later on stage, to generate a range of sounds that could mimic nature or seem otherworldly by flipping a switch, twisting a dial, or sliding a knob. Other synthesizers were already on the market in 1964, but Moog's stood out for being small, light and versatile. The arrival of the synthesizer came as just as the Beatles and other musicians started seeking ways to fuse psychedelic-drug experiences with their art. The Beatles used a Moog synthesizer on their 1969 album, Abbey Road; a Moog was used to create an eerie sound on the soundtrack to the 1971 film A Clockwork Orange. Keyboardist Walter (later Wendy) Carlos demonstrated the range of Moog's synthesizer by recording the hit album Switched-On Bach in 1968 using only the new instrument instead of an orchestra. Suddenly, there was a whole group of people in the world looking for a new sound in music, and it picked up very quickly, Deutsch, the Hofstra University emeritus music professor who helped develop the Moog prototype, said in a 2000 interview with The Associated Press. The popularity of the synthesizer and the success of the company named for Moog took off in rock as extended keyboard solos in songs by Manfred Mann, Yes and Pink Floyd became part of the progressive sound of the 1970s. The sound defined progressive music as we know it, said Keith Emerson, keyboardist for the rock band Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Along with rock, synthesizers developed since Moog's breakthrough helped inspire elements of 1970s funk, hip-hop, and techno. Charles Carlini, a New York City concert promoter, staged Moogfest in May 2004 to mark a half-century since Moog founded his first company while still in college. Emerson, Rick Wakeman of Yes, and Bernie Worrell of Parliament/Funkadelic were among those who played, and a second Moogfest was held a year later. Moog had this absent-minded professorial way about him, Carlini said. He's like an Einstein of music, Carlini said. He sees it like, there's a thought, an idea in the air, and it passes through him. Passing through him, he's able to build these instruments. A lot of people today don't realize what this man brought to the masses, Carlini said. He brought electronic music to the masses and changed the way we hear music. But the now-pervasive synthesizer's ability to mimic strings, horns, and percussion has also threatened some musicians. In 2004, musicians extracted a promise from the Opera Company of Brooklyn to never again use an advanced kind of synthesizer, called a virtual orchestra machine, in future productions. Born in 1934 in New York City, Moog paid for his studies at Queens College and Columbia University by building and marketing theremins, which are played by passing the hand through and around vibrating radio tubes. Theremins were used create the spooky eww-woo-woo sounds on the soundtracks of science fiction films such as The Day the Earth Stood Still. He went on to attach his name to a long list of synthesizers developed over the years -- among them Micromoog, Minitmoog, Multimoog and Memorymoog. Moog, who had set up shop in suburban Buffalo, New York, sold R.A. Moog in 1973 and moved five years later to a remote plot outside Asheville, a scenic Appalachian Mountain city and center for new-age pursuits that Rolling Stone magazine once dubbed America's new freak capital. A deliberate man with brushed-back white hair and a breast pocket packed with pens, Moog drove an aging Toyota painted with a snail, vines and a fish blowing bubbles. When I drive that thing around, people smile at me, he said. I really feel I'm enhancing the
Re: Mindless and Heartless
- Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Mindless and Heartless Dan Minette wrote: Finally, remember I didn't vote for him for president (I did pick him over a yellow dog for governor in '98). What, Ann Richards? Why didn't you like that wonderful woman? She wasn't running then. IIRC, I voted for her losing cause in '94. Bush ran for re-election in '98, and no one of any prominence wanted to run against him. They ran a yellow dog. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mindless and Heartless
Dan Minette wrote: Finally, remember I didn't vote for him for president (I did pick him over a yellow dog for governor in '98). Who was running against him then, again? (Does anyone remember the name?) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: FLCL and Paranoia Agent
The Fool wrote: From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: From: Steve Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] CGI, I presume, like the other recent GI Joe movies? No. Anime. I don't watch / promote CGI. So I take it that Veggie Tales is right out as far as you're concerned? Search your feelings...You know it to be true! Yeah, I suspected. Just wanted to be sure. :) Julia who has used the Bob would be disappointed with you line more than once, actually ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mindless and Heartless
Robert Seeberger wrote: Dan Minette wrote: Finally, remember I didn't vote for him for president (I did pick him over a yellow dog for governor in '98). What, Ann Richards? Why didn't you like that wonderful woman? W. defeated Richards in 1994. Sheesh! I voted for Richards at every available opportunity. :) I like her a lot. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA bashing is fun
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 21, 2005, at 5:35 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In part, it is because there are well-organized, well-funded groups behind the USA's anti-evolution crusade. Dave This is, however, a response that provides no information. There are well-organized and well-funded groups in the United States for _everything_. The amount of money thrown out by the Ford Foundation _by itself_ is probably more than all of the prominent right-wing funding sources put together, and George Soros just might be spending more than everyone else _combined_ (no one really knows). The question is, why do such groups exist/have power in the US when they don't exist elsewhere? A couple of the other posters suggested an answer, though. It is a truism said so often that people forget its meaning that American politics are far less elite-driven than those of other democracies (see, for example, the death penalty debate in the US versus Europe). In this case some of the other posters have written things wihch suggest that where there are significant evangelical and/or fundamentalist religious populations in other industrialized states they too object - it's just that in the US they are able to influence the political process, while in Europe (for example) they are marginalized. This makes sense. Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mindless and Heartless
On 8/22/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Mindless and Heartless On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:39:30 -0500, Dan Minette wrote Perhaps someone wants to argue that GWB should *not* have to endure a half-hour with her, and maybe even that he's not accountable to her (or even the public). Why, because of her views, is half an hour with her more important than half an hour with her other son, or his father (both of whom seem to think his death is a nobel sacrifice). Cite, please. Sure, no problem Nick. quote Others in the family bitterly opposed Cindy's stance. In a statement, her sister-in-law - Casey's aunt - said that the rest of the Sheehan family supports the troops, our country and our president. Cindy's surviving son begged her to come home. It was revealed that her husband had filed for divorce. Their son's death, as in so many families, had strained their marriage rather than, as in others, making it stronger. unquote http://tinyurl.com/cdlee http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050819/cm_usatoday/cindysheehandecampsleavingverymixedmessages;_ylt=AqYNJoNff80.ib6rG5dFNmys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3YWFzYnA2BHNlYwM3NDI- Dan M. Tsk, tsk, tsk, Dan. Did you check the source? The Drudge Report. http://www.drudgereport.com/flashcs.htm Let's count the weak links: first, an item on Matt Drudge's website, who is a known (and I believe self-avowed) hard-core rightwinger. A weak link, but not decisive. Ad hominem and all that. I'll simply confine myself to mentioning that Drudge has made up stuff in the past; does anyone remember how Drudge broke the news that John Kerry commited adultery? The item claims that they received an e-mail (a form of communication easily faked, both on the sending and receiving ends, as spammers demonstrate to everyone's daily dismay), which itself is said to say: Our family has been so distressed by the recent activities of Cindy we are breaking our silence and we have collectively written a statement for release. Feel free to distribute it as you wish. Thanks, Cherie In response to questions regarding the Cindy Sheehan/Crawford Texas issue: Sheehan Family Statement: The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect. Sincerely, Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins. How much editing the DR did is unknown. Furthermore, it is unclear just who is signing it: a Cherie certainly signed it, who is apparently an aunt on the paternal side of the dead son, but who else is unclear. Which grandparents (are Sheehan's grand-parents even alive? I do not know.), unspecified (even unenumerated!) aunts, uncles and numerous cousins. None of which have publicly stated that they support the e-mail, or even that the e-mail is genuine. Cindy Sheehan has stated that her aunt's politics and that of several other family members are opposite hers, but sheer probability dictates that, which helps the probability of validity only a little. So the most likely scenario? It's a plausible fake, or the aunt going it alone. It is unfortunate that the MSM chooses to elide discussion of the source. ~Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mindless and Heartless
On Aug 21, 2005, at 7:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/20/2005 10:30:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then this is a big difference between you and me. While you've been going on and on about subtle anti-semitism, you probably haven't felt its effects, yet you've been suggesting that I don't understand oppression. I never implied that you do not know about oppression. Well, perhaps; it depends, I suppose, on how one looks at things. Over the years I've come across some truly bizarre claims from GLBT people about -ismic thinking. Probably one of the strangest was the allegation that the Disney movie _The Lion King_ was homophobic. I found the charge baffling then and still do; as near as I can tell, it was because the character Scar was somewhat effete, and there were gays who believed this cast homosexuality in a negative light -- completely overlooking the relationship between Timon and Pumbaa (the meerkat/warthog buddies) and most especially how willing they were to adopt an orphan runaway. (But even THAT would be a stretch … I mean casting T P as being gay. It's like the Bert/Ernie thing from Sesame Street. No deliberate allusion to a sexualized relationship has ever been made, so really the whole premise is just silly. Of course, in the former instance, it's obvious that Timon would be the top, just as Bert is likely an S/M queen. ;) This has made me believe that it's possible for any group to interpret various things in various ways (which is hardly a revelation), and even to have variety within members of that group in terms of how they perceive possible slights. There are, of course, always cases wherein bigoted thinking is obvious, and there are plenty of cases wherein bigotry does not exist -- but there's also a vast nebulous area that doesn't lend itself to easy interpretation. It's really a question, in such cases, of individual judgment calls. A little like the part of baseball that makes the game so contentious: The strike zone is nebulously defined, and a close call will *always* spark controversy and is nearly *never* capable of being objectively determined. However, the issue I have with your contentions (to the extent they refer to me) is that you seem to be suggesting I have insensitivity to subtle bigotries as suffered by a particular group, which (to me) translates to a suggestion that I'm insensitive to bigotry and oppression in general. I don't believe that's the case. I'd have to be a member of an unoppressed majority for that to be a feasible charge, at least to my mind, and as I've stated, I am not such a fortunate person. And in this instance, again what we're talking about is a judgment call. I can be so sure of that because there is simply no objective evidence to support *anyone's* claims here. That strongly suggests we're dealing in the realm of opinion alone. If there were objective reality to the claim that the neo-con movement was originally comprised largely or exclusively of Jewish people, then a case *could be* made that the label, used in certain situations, would be evidence of an ism. But there'd have to be a few things in place for this to be a valid charge, in my estimation: 1. Neo-cons would have to be indisputably Jewish, either initially or now; 2. The label would have to be applied in a way that hinted at a broader Jewish conspiracy; 3. The label would have to be applied by someone who might reasonably be charged with an ism. Problem is that point (1) seems to be in dispute. Point (2) is not verifiably attached to Sheehan. And point (3) requires a knowledge of a person's motivations that can only come with rigorous checking of background, declarations of position made historically, and so on. Were the source of the allegations someone like Pat Robertson -- who's absolutely a bigot -- then I would have little doubt that the intent was to do harm to Jewish people. But Sheehan doesn't have a public record of making bigoted statements, so it's harder to convince me that she had harmful intentions in the things she might or might not have said. I don't believe I'm being insensitive to isms by suggesting the above; I believe I'm following a train of thought that requires some evidence standards to be met before I'm willing to attach a label of bigotry to someone. Experience has shown me this is the preferable tack to choose. I submit that it is you who don't understand oppression. You haven't, by your admission, experienced it; I've lived with it every day of my life. I have seen people like me die from it. People I have known have killed themselves because of it. I live in a nation trying to make it impossible and illegal for my people to marry. And you? Here is where we part company. I think I do understrand oppression. Even though I haven't experienced my people have in the past and may again. I feel fear and anger because of this and
Re: Moog dies
At 09:53 PM Monday 8/22/2005, Robert G. Seeberger wrote: Synthesizer innovator Moog dies at 71 RALEIGH, North Carolina (AP) -- Robert A. Moog, whose self-named synthesizers turned electric currents into sound and opened the musical wave that became electronica, has died. He was 71. Moog died Sunday at his home in Asheville, according to his company's Web site. He had suffered from an inoperable brain tumor, detected in April. Has anyone yet suggested that it was caused by exposure to EM fields? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Moog dies
In a message dated 8/22/2005 8:59:58 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone yet suggested that it was caused by exposure to EM fields? No, but he did have a high FFRR. Vilyehm ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: USA bashing is fun
On Aug 22, 2005, at 8:11 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: A couple of the other posters suggested an answer, though. It is a truism said so often that people forget its meaning that American politics are far less elite-driven than those of other democracies (see, for example, the death penalty debate in the US versus Europe). In this case some of the other posters have written things wihch suggest that where there are significant evangelical and/or fundamentalist religious populations in other industrialized states they too object - it's just that in the US they are able to influence the political process, while in Europe (for example) they are marginalized. This makes sense. Yeah, that could be part of it all right. You asked a hell of a good question, and when you look at the places where the teach the controversy movement has really gained a foothold you see a *tendency* toward more fundamentalist Biblical thinking. Kansas and Texas, after all, aren't rife with nexi of liberal thought. The ID-iots did a very clever thing, too. By forcing their case in *Texas*, they effectively guaranteed that the entire nation will be embroiled, because textbook publishers aren't going to produce special editions just for Texas, which is (IIRC) the single largest buyer of schoolbooks in the US. This means the only a theory disclaimer, if it's added to textbooks for Texas, will surface in editions used throughout the US. There really is a lot of ability for people in the US to have tremendous influence over areas in which they have absolutely no expertise -- including being able to dictate what kinds of subjects can be covered in primary education. If there were an alternate story for algebra -- something steeped in myth -- I wouldn't be surprised to find that it, too, would have to be included in math courses. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
This post made in honor of Ronn
An example of the true value of a Harvard education, drawn from a recent post on the Harvard Boston recent grads email list, as part of a request for a roommate: Looking for someone similar to the two of us already in the house: mid-20's young professional or grad student. Someone who is clean, respectful, easy to get along with, who values having a nice home, and doesn't mind emptying the dishwasher or changing the role of toilet paper. So, does anyone have any ideas as to new _roles_ for toilet paper? Apparently the old one isn't sufficient anymore :-) Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
On Aug 22, 2005, at 9:29 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: So, does anyone have any ideas as to new _roles_ for toilet paper? Apparently the old one isn't sufficient anymore :-) Well, the second most common role for toilet paper has been petty vandalism of neighbors' houses. (Years ago a friend of mine TPed all the houses on his block *except that of someone he didn't like*. Rather devious, that.) But you know the question hints at whole new regions of possible activism, starting with PETtp. I mean, consider that the TP you use was probably a battery roll -- something kept confined in a suffocating layer of cellophane, squeezed mercilessly to evaluate its tenderness, and then liberated briefly only to be caged in a dim, mildew-smelling space away from light and in conditions of dubious sanitation. And, of course, once it's finally let into the light, it's impaled and left hanging, then flensed gradually, tissue-layer by tissue-layer, and what happens next is something you wouldn't want your worst enemy to experience. I say it's about time the roles for toilet paper were changed. Burn Mr. Whipple in effigy! Please don't USE the Charmin! Wipe out the oppressors! -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
On 8/23/05, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An example of the true value of a Harvard education, drawn from a recent post on the Harvard Boston recent grads email list, as part of a request for a roommate: Looking for someone similar to the two of us already in the house: mid-20's young professional or grad student. Someone who is clean, respectful, easy to get along with, who values having a nice home, and doesn't mind emptying the dishwasher or changing the role of toilet paper. So, does anyone have any ideas as to new _roles_ for toilet paper? Apparently the old one isn't sufficient anymore :-) Gautam Mukunda Clearly what we have here is a rather progressive youngster, a shining example of the further march of liberty: this wimmin, or persun, is advocating that toilet paper be liberated from its constricted role of cleaning our bottoms. They hold with Freud that this fixation on the anus is infantilizing, and retarding of progress integrating the self; in short blocking personal growth. Thusly, we must change the role which toilet paper plays to clean other areas, such as the nostrils, or the mouth, other bodily orifices. I dare say that in this cry for progress we can see a covert dialectic, leading to a synthesis of the negative, or shadow aspects of the whole metemphysical nature of toilet paper: what could be more subversive than turning an item that is meant to clean, and tragically, be immediately disposed of into a representation of the Great Mother that the patriarchal Western scientific society has repressed and demonized than by into the embodiment of its enemy, waste, and permament waste at that? ~Maru I promise I won't do that again. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
On Aug 22, 2005, at 10:02 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote: Thusly, we must change the role which toilet paper plays to clean other areas, such as the nostrils, or the mouth, other bodily orifices. Oh, I see, so its proper role, according to you, is cleaning? What a typically phallocentric white-male view. I suppose you expect it to be barefoot and pregnant besides! And by the way, it's NOT toilet paper. Toilet paper is the name given to it by its oppressors. It's REALLY ribbon-formed tree pulp (RFTP). If you were REALLY interested in RFTP liberation, you'd be refusing to put ANY role distinctions on it. Only by being unroled can RFTP be truly free to reach the lengths of its potential. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Physics question
On 8/22/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a physicist were here, There are at least two physicists here: Rich and myself. I've only been active on the list for about six years, so maybe you didn't notice that I'm here. :-) I did not know that. There really should be a short page listing names and professions of major posters, to prevent such amusing errors as that. he'd probably smack us and tell us to distinguish between entropy and the arrow of time/dimension of time. That's not the real problem: the real problem in this thread is that you are trying to force special relativity (SR) into a classical physics box. In classical physics, we have x,y,z space, and a separate dimension t. We have d^2 =x^2+y^2+z^2 (where d is the distance between two objects.) The values for x, y, and z are coordinate system dependant: x, y, and z can be defined by any three orthanormal vectors (orthanormal vectors are both mutually orthogonal and have value 1). The value of d is coordinate system independent. A minor point: why are you representing the cartesian distance formula in squared form? I've always elsewhere seen it as sqrt(x^2+y^2+z^2). And I agree partially: the time discussion is flowing out of the absolute zero?=space travel discussion, which does suffer from the Newtonian space problem. But I'm not sure our time discussion is similarly flawed. snippage of some interesting discussion of Einsteinian space There is perfect symmetry. Each observation is equally valid. Finally, two objects that are timelike (a signal at the speed of light can travel from one point in spacetime to another), will have the same sequence in time for all observers. Two objects that are spacelike (a signal at the speed of light cannot travel from one point in spacetime to another), will be simultaneous in one inertial system, have A before B for some reference systems, and have B before A in the remainder of the reference systems. Hope this helps. If there are any questions, just yell. Dan M. How exactly does that work for space-like relationships? Is this potential to mix up ordering of A and B what allows reverse time travel? ~Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
--- Maru Dubshinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clearly what we have here is a rather progressive youngster, a shining example of the further march of liberty: this wimmin, or persun, is advocating that toilet paper be liberated from its constricted role of cleaning our bottoms. They hold with Freud that this fixation on the anus is infantilizing, and retarding of progress integrating the self; in short blocking personal growth. Thusly, we must change the role which toilet paper plays to clean other areas, such as the nostrils, or the mouth, other bodily orifices. I dare say that in this cry for progress we can see a covert dialectic, leading to a synthesis of the negative, or shadow aspects of the whole metemphysical nature of toilet paper: what could be more subversive than turning an item that is meant to clean, and tragically, be immediately disposed of into a representation of the Great Mother that the patriarchal Western scientific society has repressed and demonized than by into the embodiment of its enemy, waste, and permament waste at that? ~Maru Frighteningly enough, it wasn't entirely clear to me that this was a satire the first time I read it... Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
On 8/23/05, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 22, 2005, at 10:02 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote: Thusly, we must change the role which toilet paper plays to clean other areas, such as the nostrils, or the mouth, other bodily orifices. Oh, I see, so its proper role, according to you, is cleaning? What a typically phallocentric white-male view. I suppose you expect it to be barefoot and pregnant besides! And by the way, it's NOT toilet paper. Toilet paper is the name given to it by its oppressors. It's REALLY ribbon-formed tree pulp (RFTP). If you were REALLY interested in RFTP liberation, you'd be refusing to put ANY role distinctions on it. Only by being unroled can RFTP be truly free to reach the lengths of its potential. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books I shall not lower myself to answer the baseless calumnies of this persun, save to note solely that the statement phallocentric white-male view is especially ripe for deconstruction and deviant textual readings coming from him. Furthermore, if this Ockrossa *really* did care, like he claims, about RFTP freedom, he would never say such biased, regressive, and outrageous to liberated sensibilities things like lengths of its potential. What about square RFTPs, you insensitive clod?! Are their viewpoints of no value, non-privileged and censored?! ~Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
On 8/23/05, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Maru Dubshinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clearly what we have here is a rather progressive youngster, a shining example of the further march of liberty: this wimmin, or persun, is advocating that toilet paper be liberated from its constricted role of cleaning our bottoms. They hold with Freud that this fixation on the anus is infantilizing, and retarding of progress integrating the self; in short blocking personal growth. Thusly, we must change the role which toilet paper plays to clean other areas, such as the nostrils, or the mouth, other bodily orifices. I dare say that in this cry for progress we can see a covert dialectic, leading to a synthesis of the negative, or shadow aspects of the whole metemphysical nature of toilet paper: what could be more subversive than turning an item that is meant to clean, and tragically, be immediately disposed of into a representation of the Great Mother that the patriarchal Western scientific society has repressed and demonized than by into the embodiment of its enemy, waste, and permament waste at that? ~Maru Frighteningly enough, it wasn't entirely clear to me that this was a satire the first time I read it... Gautam Mukunda Didja like how I threw in some legitimate scholarship like Freud's anal fixation theories of sexual maturation, and the Great mother religious motif, and Jung's shadow, just to camouflage the nonsense? ~Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
--- Maru Dubshinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didja like how I threw in some legitimate scholarship like Freud's anal fixation theories of sexual maturation, and the Great mother religious motif, and Jung's shadow, just to camouflage the nonsense? ~Maru Heck, judging by some of the stuff I've seen, it is impossible to differentiate anyways... Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
On Aug 22, 2005, at 10:31 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote: Didja like how I threw in some legitimate scholarship like Freud's anal fixation theories of sexual maturation, and the Great mother religious motif, and Jung's shadow, just to camouflage the nonsense? Since that's how it's usually done by groups with serious complaints, I'd bet that was the part that had Gautam going for a moment. ;) -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
