Re: Brïn: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship

At 10:01 PM Friday 9/22/2006, maru dubshinki wrote:

On 9/22/06, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
.

The Wikipedia entry for R is under GNU-S :-)

Alberto Monteiro


I hate to play the pedantic resident Wikipedia expert here, but it's
actually at [[R (programming language)]]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_%28programming_language%29), like it
should (since programming languages' whose name are ambiguous are
supposed to be disambiguated rather than be at [[R programming
language]], which could be misleading). Now, [[GNU S]] and [[GNU-S]]
do indeed redirect to the actual article, but that's not the same
thing as the article being at those names...



Oh, boy, a whole new language to learn . . . :):):)


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Week 3 NFL Picks

2006-09-23 Thread John D. Giorgis
I'm a halfway decent 21-11 so far this year, but when my Dad is 24-8,
halfway decent just isn't good enough.   ;-)Here's my attempt to
close the gap this week, and keep the 2-0 upset special on track:
 
Chicago at Minnesota - Its hard to believe that Minnesota is 2-0 with
Brad Johnson and Chester Taylor.   I have to think that Chicago brings
them back to earth this week, even on the road.  Pick: BEARS

Cincinnati at Pittsburgh - The Steelers have to feel embarrassed by
getting shut out on Monday night, so they'll find a way to get it done
against an injury-riddled Cincinnati team.  Pick: STEELERS

NY Jets at Buffalo - The Bills were just one play away from upsetting
New England on the road in Week 1, in which case they'd be the talk of
the NFL right now.  Pick: BILLS

Carolina at Tampa Bay - Who would have imagined that these two teams,
both in the playoffs last year, would be both 0-2 in this matchup.
Ordinarily you would take the home team in this scenario, but I think
that there is something seriously wrong with Chris Simms in Tampa.
Pick: PANTHERS


Green Bay at Detroit - The Packers had their shot against the Saints
last week, and blew it.   I think that the Lions team that held the
Seahawks to 9 points in Week 1, not the one that was carved up by the
Bears in Week 2 shows up.  Pick: LIONS


Washington at Houston - Easiest pick of the week.The Redskins have
too much talent to go 0-3, and the Texans are very much still the
Texans.  Pick: REDSKINS
 
Jacksonville at Indianapolis - The Jaguars play the Colts twice a year,
and aren't scared of Peyton Manning.  With that defense looking very
good against the Steelers on Monday night, and the Colts still adjusting
to life after Edgerrin James, I smell an upset.  Pick: JAGUARS UPSET
SPECIAL
 
Tennessee at Miami - As bad as Daunte Culpepper has been this year for
Miami, whomever the Titans have tossed out at QB - Billy Volek, Kerry
Collins, Vince Young, (is Vince Evans next?) has been worse.  Pick:
DOLPHINS


Baltimore at Cleveland -  We already know the Ravens' defense is back,
next thing you know, Jamal Lewis will rush for 200 yards against the
Browns again.  Pick: RAVENS


St. Louis at Arizona - The Rams proved their Week 1 upset of the Broncos
was a fluke in San Francisco last week, now they have to go into the
desert.  Pick: CARDINALS


Philadelphia at San Francisco - The Eagles only lost last week after the
Giants converted a fumble-rooski play, got a bizarre penalty, and then
went on to score first in overtime.They're a 2-0 team in terms of
talent, even if the record doesn't show it.  Pick: EAGLES


NY Giants at Seattle - The Giants are on the other side of that
equation.   Pick: SEAHAWKS
 
Denver at New England - The Broncos are 1-1, and that only after beating
a Damon Huard-led Chiefs 9-6.There's some serious problems here.
Pick: PATRIOTS


Atlanta at New Orleans - Atlanta is the much better team by my book, but
I can't resist the sympathy pick - first game back in the Crescent City
in two years.  Pick: SAINTS MARCHIN' BACK IN
 
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Re: Whose Ox is Gored?

2006-09-23 Thread jdiebremse


--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On the eve of the 2004 election, a liberal Christian pastor in
Pasadena
  preached (what is reportedly) a highly political anti-war and
  anti-poverty sermon with the result that the IRS is threatening to
take
  away the church's tax-exempt status. I haven't read the entire
sermon,
  but it is available on the NPR web site for anyone who is
interested.

 The text of the sermon is here:


http://www.allsaints-pas.org/pdf/(10-31-04)%20If%20Jesus%20Debated.pdf#s\
earch=%22regas%20sermon%22
http://www.allsaints-pas.org/pdf/(10-31-04)%20If%20Jesus%20Debated.pdf#\
search=%22regas%20sermon%22


It looks like Dave Land may have spoken too soon.   In my first glance
at this speech, I see a speech that might get close to the existing
legal lines, but does not, in my estimation cross over them.

The speech is a little in the gray area, because despite some rhetorical
flourishes that attempt to appear to criticize both Kerry and Bush, the
speech is, in fact, a systematic knock-down of much of Bush's platform.
Nevertheless, I think that expressing opinions on specific issues - even
if those positions align with those of a specific candidate - should be
permissible for tax-exempt religious organizations.

With that being said, I don't understand how the pastor can imagine
Jesus saying that the State has no right to impose its view of when
human life begins on other people, that there can never be a just law
requiring uniformity of behavior on the abortion issue, but that the
State has a moral imperative to take other people's property and give it
to others.  It seems to be that that is getting it exactly backwards -
surely if the State can intervene on behalf of property it can intervene
on human life.

So, I don't find much to like in this sermon - its lofic seems
completely fuzzy and faulty, but with that being said, I don't find
anything here to jeopardize its tax-exempt status.

JDG

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Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-23 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Maru wrote:

 The Wikipedia entry for R is under GNU-S :-)
 

 I hate to play the pedantic resident Wikipedia expert here, 

marudubinski, I presume :-)

 but it's
 actually at [[R (programming language)]]
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_%28programming_language%29), like it
 should (since programming languages' whose name are ambiguous are
 supposed to be disambiguated rather than be at [[R programming
 language]], which could be misleading). Now, [[GNU S]] and [[GNU-S]]
 do indeed redirect to the actual article, but that's not the same
 thing as the article being at those names...

Ok, but if we want to use the search engine from the initial page, it's much
simpler to search for GNU-S then to search for R :-P

Alberto Monteiro
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Re: Bïrn: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-23 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Ronn Blankenship wrote:

 So we now have R which comes from S, and C which comes from
 B.  Anyone starting to miss the good old days when the name of a
 programming language actually stood for something?

It makes it very hard to google search for help in anything. For example,
if I want to know which perl [or python, or haskell, or intercal] function
displays the current working directory, I can google for 
language directory or [if I know the C-equivalent] 
language getwd. But those idiotic names don't let me do it.

What about whitespace? It's a pity that the filename extension
is .ws instead of . .

Alberto Monteiro
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Re: Brïn: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-23 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Ronn Blankenship wrote:

 I hate to play the pedantic resident Wikipedia expert here, but it's
actually at [[R (programming language)]] (...)

 Oh, boy, a whole new language to learn . . . :):):)

R is so simple that any computer geek that knows C can get
the basics in 10 minutes - after reading a quick tutorial. Unfortunately,
I didn't have this quick tutorial, so - in the spirit of Wikipedia - I wrote 
one :-)

Alberto Monteiro
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Re: Whose Ox is Gored?

2006-09-23 Thread Gibson Jonathan


On Sep 23, 2006, at 6:05 AM, jdiebremse wrote:


...
With that being said, I don't understand how the pastor can imagine
Jesus saying that the State has no right to impose its view of when
human life begins on other people, that there can never be a just law
requiring uniformity of behavior on the abortion issue, but that the
State has a moral imperative to take other people's property and give 
it

to others.  It seems to be that that is getting it exactly backwards -
surely if the State can intervene on behalf of property it can 
intervene

on human life.

...

JDG



Would that be an equation of property to life, then?

- Jonathan -

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Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliable information?)

2006-09-23 Thread Warren Ockrassa

On Sep 16, 2006, at 1:12 PM, Dave Land wrote:


After watching the Pyroclastic video that WTG pointed to, I realized
that I'd been giving way too much credence to Just-So Stories about
what might possibly have happened. It's not that this particular video
was all that bad (it was utterly unconvincing to me, but that's beside
the point), it just highlighted for me how much I'd been accepting the
coulda beens and shouldna beens that are the stock in trade of
conspiracy theories.


I know it's not easy to back away from an ardently-defended point of 
view. I'm glad, though, that the light of reason broke at last.



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Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliable information?)

2006-09-23 Thread Warren Ockrassa

On Sep 19, 2006, at 8:01 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:


On 9/18/06, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


...'cause there's no such thing as something that is so well
supported it can be considered a fact. Like gravity. Just a theory.


I'm fairly certain that gravity is a fact.


I occasionally say that evolution is a theory in much the same way that 
gravity is.



How it works is a theory.


Kind of a mystery, too, which is pretty cool when you think about it.

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Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-23 Thread Warren Ockrassa

On Sep 19, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:


Charlie Bell wrote:

On 08/09/2006, at 7:16 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:


Probably you haven't asked the right person. I base my ethical 
decisions on my ability to empathize. If I know a given action would 
cause me misery, I know that it's an action I shouldn't perpetrate 
upon another.
...unless you've asked first. While do unto others is a reasonable 
first approximation, it can also be arrogance to assume that what we 
want is what others want. But it's a starting point.


On that note, I recommend
http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=17

Important excerpt:

The Platinum Rule is: Do unto others as they would have you do unto 
them.


Does that also apply to mega-hot schoolteachers in their 20s and their 
fourteen-year-old students?


Just tossing in a monkey-wrench. ;)

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Re: Researchers Identify Human Skin Color Gene

2006-09-23 Thread Warren Ockrassa

On Sep 21, 2006, at 3:40 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:


Old, but found while looking up something else:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0002E7CA-F27B-13A1- 
AFAA83414B7FFE9F


Oh good. Soon we'll be able to cure blackness as well as  
homosexuality. Let's hear it for progress!


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Re: What should we believe when there is no reliable information?

2006-09-23 Thread Julia Thompson

John W Redelfs wrote:

On 9/13/06, Gibson Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks Dan,

I guess I missed that message in the bustle of my life.

As another after word, every single one of my Archt schoolmates
contacted in no way buys the official story.  Every one of them cited
the pile-up of those vertical support beams should have tipped the
building, any building, off to one side or another.  None could think
of examples of a zero footprint implosion w/o demolition.
Confusion over the complete sell-off of all material that could be
studied was a mystery that baffles many



The same sort of thing baffled me after the fire that destroyed the Branch
Davidian compound in Waco, Texas.  How can anyone conduct an arson
investigation to see who started the fire if the mess is cleaned up before
the ashes are even warm?  Isn't that called destroying evidence or 
something
like that?  


What's really sad is when the law enforcement officials in charge of the 
investigation are the ones messing up the evidence.


(I had a friend who was there at the site, observing the investigation; 
my understanding is that DPS was in charge, and they were totally 
messing up the area, much to the dismay of the FBI folks who were there. 
 And no, I can't ask that friend about it now, because she died of 
cancer since then.)


Julia

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Re: Researchers Identify Human Skin Color Gene

2006-09-23 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Warren Ockrassa wrote:

 Oh good. Soon we'll be able to cure blackness as well as
 homosexuality. Let's hear it for progress!

If the destruction of the ozone layer is not a myth, maybe it's
time to seriously consider curing _whiteness_. Here in the tropics,
just going for lunch at noon is enough to tan the skin.

Alberto Monteiro the melanine challenged
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Re: Researchers Identify Human Skin Color Gene

2006-09-23 Thread Warren Ockrassa

On Sep 23, 2006, at 10:12 AM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:


Warren Ockrassa wrote:


Oh good. Soon we'll be able to cure blackness as well as
homosexuality. Let's hear it for progress!


If the destruction of the ozone layer is not a myth,


It's not.


maybe it's
time to seriously consider curing _whiteness_. Here in the tropics,
just going for lunch at noon is enough to tan the skin.


An interesting idea -- but what do we do to protect the other hundred 
million or so nonhuman species?


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Re: The Fertility Gap

2006-09-23 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J.D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A thought-provoking article about the implications of
 differing fertility rates based on political ideology
 in the US:

 http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008831

 JDG

Here's a similarly interesting article on how the Democrats are
actually falling even further behind in the God gap since 20004 -
Iraq war and all...

  http://www.slate.com/id/2148547/

JDG



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Re: Researchers Identify Human Skin Color Gene

2006-09-23 Thread William T Goodall


On 23 Sep 2006, at 6:23PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:


On Sep 23, 2006, at 10:12 AM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:


Warren Ockrassa wrote:


Oh good. Soon we'll be able to cure blackness as well as
homosexuality. Let's hear it for progress!


If the destruction of the ozone layer is not a myth,


It's not.


maybe it's
time to seriously consider curing _whiteness_. Here in the tropics,
just going for lunch at noon is enough to tan the skin.


An interesting idea -- but what do we do to protect the other  
hundred million or so nonhuman species?




Little parasols.

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tried it.
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Re: Researchers Identify Human Skin Color Gene

2006-09-23 Thread Richard Baker

William said:


Little parasols.


Why don't we just put a big parasol at the Earth-Sun L1 point?

Rich

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Re: Researchers Identify Human Skin Color Gene

2006-09-23 Thread Warren Ockrassa

On Sep 23, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Richard Baker wrote:


William said:


Little parasols.


Why don't we just put a big parasol at the Earth-Sun L1 point?


Or do as Mr. Burns tried to do! Woot! He's not a rapacious 
money-grubbing monster -- he's an environmentalist!


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Re: Brïn: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship

At 08:58 AM Saturday 9/23/2006, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:

Ronn Blankenship wrote:

 So we now have R which comes from S, and C which comes from
 B.  Anyone starting to miss the good old days when the name of a
 programming language actually stood for something?

It makes it very hard to google search for help in anything. For example,
if I want to know which perl [or python, or haskell, or intercal] function
displays the current working directory, I can google for
language directory or [if I know the C-equivalent]
language getwd. But those idiotic names don't let me do it.

What about whitespace? It's a pity that the filename extension
is .ws instead of . .



And if you searched for  , presumably you would probably get every 
page indexed by Google . . .



-- Ronn!  :)



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Re: Brïn: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship

At 09:00 AM Saturday 9/23/2006, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:

Ronn Blankenship wrote:

 I hate to play the pedantic resident Wikipedia expert here, but it's
actually at [[R (programming language)]] (...)

 Oh, boy, a whole new language to learn . . . :):):)

R is so simple that any computer geek that knows C can get
the basics in 10 minutes - after reading a quick tutorial. Unfortunately,
I didn't have this quick tutorial, so - in the spirit of Wikipedia - I wrote
one :-)



Is it available?  (I downloaded R last night.)


-- Ronn!  :)



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Re: Whose Ox is Gored?

2006-09-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship

At 11:03 AM Saturday 9/23/2006, Gibson Jonathan wrote:


On Sep 23, 2006, at 6:05 AM, jdiebremse wrote:


...
With that being said, I don't understand how the pastor can imagine
Jesus saying that the State has no right to impose its view of when
human life begins on other people, that there can never be a just law
requiring uniformity of behavior on the abortion issue, but that the
State has a moral imperative to take other people's property and give it
to others.  It seems to be that that is getting it exactly backwards -
surely if the State can intervene on behalf of property it can intervene
on human life.

...

JDG



Would that be an equation of property to life, then?



Is your living body your property?


-- Ronn!  :)



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Re: Strange New Planet Baffles Astronomers

2006-09-23 Thread Julia Thompson

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

The scientists will continue observing HAT-P-1 to see if such an 
explanation could hold in this case, but until we can find an 
explanation for both of these swollen planets, they remain a great 
mystery, Sasselov said.


I hear swollen planet and I'm thinking bruising.  :)

Then again, I've been badly bruised this month, and I'm still pretty 
tender in spots (and those spots feel swollen, as well).  :P


Julia
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Re: Brïn: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-23 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Ronn Blankenship wrote:

 R is so simple that any computer geek that knows C can get
 the basics in 10 minutes - after reading a quick tutorial. Unfortunately,
 I didn't have this quick tutorial, so - in the spirit of Wikipedia - I
 wrote one :-)

 Is it available?  (I downloaded R last night.)

It's in the Wikipedia page - just a few starter commands, and the rest 
is available by the help method of the language.

Alberto Monteiro
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Re: Strange New Planet Baffles Astronomers

2006-09-23 Thread Medievalbk
I say it's a dyson sphere and to hell with
calling it a planet.
 
 
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Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliable information?)

2006-09-23 Thread Charlie Bell


On 24/09/2006, at 2:58 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:


On Sep 19, 2006, at 8:01 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:


On 9/18/06, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


...'cause there's no such thing as something that is so well
supported it can be considered a fact. Like gravity. Just a theory.


I'm fairly certain that gravity is a fact.


I occasionally say that evolution is a theory in much the same way  
that gravity is.



How it works is a theory.


Kind of a mystery, too, which is pretty cool when you think about it.


Very cool indeed. Mysteries are what science is all about.

Charlie
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Re: Researchers Identify Human Skin Color Gene

2006-09-23 Thread Charlie Bell


On 24/09/2006, at 3:12 AM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:


Warren Ockrassa wrote:


Oh good. Soon we'll be able to cure blackness as well as
homosexuality. Let's hear it for progress!


If the destruction of the ozone layer is not a myth, maybe it's
time to seriously consider curing _whiteness_. Here in the tropics,
just going for lunch at noon is enough to tan the skin.


Here in Melbourne, 15 minutes of early morning winter sun is enough  
to cause a mild sunburn. It's worse in Hobart, where the ozone hole  
has reached, and southern Chile is under the hole too.


Charlie
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Using single-letter names for programming languages is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship

At 08:58 AM Saturday 9/23/2006, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:

Ronn Blankenship wrote:

 So we now have R which comes from S, and C which comes from
 B.  Anyone starting to miss the good old days when the name of a
 programming language actually stood for something?

It makes it very hard to google search for help in anything. For example,
if I want to know which perl [or python, or haskell, or intercal] function
displays the current working directory, I can google for
language directory or [if I know the C-equivalent]
language getwd. But those idiotic names don't let me do it.

What about whitespace? It's a pity that the filename extension
is .ws instead of . .



I was doing some more searching and came across more of them, frex 
A+, J, and K all being some sort of follow-on version of APL (some of 
which use ASCII, some the original character set . . . )


Quotequad Maru


-- Ronn!  :)



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