Deathly Hallows - no spoilers

2007-07-21 Thread Gautam Mukunda
I just finished it.  I'm in San Diego, so I lost three hours due to the time 
change, but just finished it.  It's amazing, wonderful, deeply moving, and not 
just everything I hoped for, but far more.  Happy reading to all of you still 
working on it!!!
 
Gautam Mukunda
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Got Brains?

2007-07-21 Thread jon louis mann
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn12301feedId=online-news_rss20

A man with an unusually tiny brain a huge fluid-filled chamber called a
ventricle took up most of the room in his skull, leaving little more
than a thin sheet of actual brain tissue  more than a 50% to 75%
reduction.

Intelligence tests showed the man had an IQ of 75.

The whole brain was reduced - frontal, parietal, temporal and
occipital lobes - on both left and right sides. These regions control
motion, sensibility, language, vision, audition, and emotional and
cognitive functions, 

 the brain is very plastic and can adapt to some brain damage
occurring in the pre- and postnatal period when treated appropriately,
he says.

If something happens very slowly over quite some time, maybe over
decades, the different parts of the brain take up functions that would
normally be done by the part that is pushed to the side, 

Half My IQ And Makes Twice As Much Money Maru
rob

Money isn't everything, Rob, 150 is genius I.Q.  
If this guy had use of the 50- 75% he lost, he could be in the 200
range.

Not no genyus, Jonny, but I luck gude!~)


   

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Re: Got Brains?

2007-07-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 04:19 PM Saturday 7/21/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn12301feedId=online-news_rss20

A man with an unusually tiny brain a huge fluid-filled chamber called a
ventricle took up most of the room in his skull, leaving little more
than a thin sheet of actual brain tissue  more than a 50% to 75%
reduction.

Intelligence tests showed the man had an IQ of 75.

The whole brain was reduced - frontal, parietal, temporal and
occipital lobes - on both left and right sides. These regions control
motion, sensibility, language, vision, audition, and emotional and
cognitive functions,

  the brain is very plastic and can adapt to some brain damage
occurring in the pre- and postnatal period when treated appropriately,
he says.

If something happens very slowly over quite some time, maybe over
decades, the different parts of the brain take up functions that would
normally be done by the part that is pushed to the side,

Half My IQ And Makes Twice As Much Money Maru
rob

Money isn't everything, Rob, 150 is genius I.Q.
If this guy had use of the 50- 75% he lost, he could be in the 200
range.


I don't think anyone has yet established a link between either brain 
size or percent utilization and intelligence . . .


And Don't Ask Me About The Mensa Members I Have Met Maru


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RE: war is terror...

2007-07-21 Thread Dan Minette


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of jon louis mann
 Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:31 AM
 To: Killer Bs Discussion
 Subject: war is terror...
 
 That is one - rather bizarre - way of looking at things. I would
 suggest that in fact the reason people are able to be more concerned
 about collateral damge is because a) they are more aware of it and b)
 the stakes are much lower. With the immoral bombing actions of the
 Second World War a genuine case can be made for it protecting the
 bombing nation (although I am not sure that personally I would try to
 make such a case) whereas no such similar case can be made today.



 
 i think that now, more than ever, a case can be made for no more war.
 the people in these mideast countries are being kept in poverty,
 despite their fantastic wealth in oil.  people are so full of rage and
 desperate for work, that they join terrorist organizations.  many
 become martyrs simply so their families will be fed.

Actually, that's not a typical portrait of a martyr.  It's one that fits our
preconceptions, but not the data.

A friend/colleague Gautam is one of the world experts on terrorism.  She has
interviewed over sixty different terrorists.  Off the top of my head,
terrorists do not, usually, come from the poorest and most desperate.  A
better generalization is that they find meaning in their actions. Most
members of terrorism organizations, such as AQ, come from middle or upper
class families.  Examples of this include Bin Laden, most of the 9-11
hijackers, and the physicians who were involved with the latest attempts in
Great Britain. 

Another perspective on this is the conclusions of a French journalist who
interviewed a number (20 and probably 40-50) failed suicide bombers in
Israeli jails.  He said they talked freely with himand he thought that
they did so because they saw him as sympathetic.  For the most part, their
motivation was to purity which was ruined by the existence of Jews in
Palestine.  As with the 9-11 terrorists, Bin Laden himself Further, the
suicide bomber is not, usually, a long standing member of the groupbut
sees this action as a way of gaining status/honor. 

If folks are interested, I can write Gautam and ask him to relay her
findings in more detail, as well as other literature on the subject.  But, I
won't bother him if it will just be dismissed out of hand. 

 was it really necessary to fire bomb dresden? 

No

did america really need to use the a-bomb on densely populated cities?  
was the alternative to invade japan, or were there other choices?  

If they wanted to end the war without an invasion, most likely.  We can
never know for certain what the consequences of untaken actions would have
been, but we do have some indicative data.  In particular, the Emperor had
to decent from above to cast the tie-breaking vote on surrender.  His
cabinet was deadlocked 3-3 on surrendereven after two cities were
devastated by two bombs.  IIRC, even after the Emperor descended, he had to
argue long and hard to get agreement on surrender.

Given that, the evidence is that a blockade would not have ended WWII.
Rather, it would have allowed the Soviet Union to switch it's forces to the
Eastern Frontwhich probably would have resulted in a Soviet sphere of
influence in the east like the one in the west (Eastern Europe.

And, the invasion was expected to cost 1 million American casualties and far
more Japanese.  There were plans for a fight to the death by virtually the
whole population.  Remember, according to the Japanese viewpoint of the
time, a defeated people lost their humanity when they lostthat's what
made the killing of half of their POWs, their actions in Korea
reasonablethey were dealing with sub-humans.

what role do governments have in going to war when the solution might be to
find a way to give people in these countries hope?

It sounds logical, but most wars are not the direct result of a hopeless
people.  It's the result of a leadership that sees advantage in starting a
war.  Look at the wars that have been started in the last 60 years.  

I think it is more reasonable to see the view of people that they cannot
resist their own dictatorships successfully as contributing to war, but the
initiation of wars are not correlated with desperation.  One way to look a
this is look at the wars of the last 30 years and the big wars of, say, the
last 250 years, and see if the cause is that the perpetrator of the war was
a country with a uniquely desperate population (or at least trending towards
significantly higher desperation in the population than other countries at
the time.)


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Got Brains?

2007-07-21 Thread jon louis mann
the whole brain was reduced... more than a 50% to 75%...
the brain is very plastic and can adapt to some brain damage..
If it happens very slowly, different parts of the brain take up
functions 
normally done by the part pushed to the side... (snip, snip.~)

Half My IQ And Makes Twice As Much Money Maru
rob

Money isn't everything, Rob, 150 is genius I.Q.  
If this guy had use of the 50- 75% he lost, he could be in the 200
range.

Not no genyus, Jonny, but I luck gude!~)

I don't think anyone has yet established a link between either brain 
size, or percent utilization and intelligence . . .
And Don't Ask Me About The Mensa Members I Have Met Maru
-- Ronn!  :)

are members of mensa trying to compensate for poor self esteem, or the
opposite, or are they simply seeking to network with other geniuses?
i believe brain capacity is related to ratio to body size and
convolutions in the cerebral cortex?  
hominid maru jonsan

According to Science News, the cerebral cortex,  containing billions of
nerve cells, is the largest structure of the human brain. Essentially a
flat sheet not much thicker than an orange peel, the cortex folds and
refolds into the familiar deep creases of the brain's surface. The
cerebral cortex varies in size dramatically among species. It mostly
grows by becoming a larger sheet rather than a thicker sheet,

The human cortical surface area is about 1,000 times greater than that
of the mouse.  Compared with the cortex of the chimpanzee, the human
cerebral cortex has three to four times more surface area. Some
scientists attribute the greater intelligence of modern humans to the
rapid expansion of the cerebral cortex as hominids evolved. (sic)

see also: http://www.ifisiol.unam.mx/Brain/cercox.htm


   

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Re: Deathly Hallows - no spoilers

2007-07-21 Thread Charlie Bell

On 22/07/2007, at 5:38 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:

 I just finished it.  I'm in San Diego, so I lost three hours due to  
 the time change, but just finished it.  It's amazing, wonderful,  
 deeply moving, and not just everything I hoped for, but far more.   
 Happy reading to all of you still working on it!!!

Haven't even bothered starting it yet as the queues in Melbourne were  
stupid and long, and Claire and I are moving house this weekend...

I'll pick it up during the week. Lack of spoilers very much  
appreciated...

Charlie.
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Re: Deathly Hallows - no spoilers

2007-07-21 Thread Julia Thompson


On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, Gautam Mukunda wrote:

 I just finished it.  I'm in San Diego, so I lost three hours due to the 
 time change, but just finished it.  It's amazing, wonderful, deeply 
 moving, and not just everything I hoped for, but far more.  Happy 
 reading to all of you still working on it!!!

Good for you.  I didn't get my copy until after 1AM and had to be up at 8 
this morning, and have been somewhat groggy all day.  I'm going to read 
for a couple of hours after the kids have gone to bed, anyway.  :)

(I got to hang out in the Book People parking lot with an acquaintance who 
is moving towards being a friend, which is nice.  Nothing like 
geeks-in-a-parking-lot bonding)

Julia

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war is terror...

2007-07-21 Thread jon louis mann
the evidence is that a blockade would not have ended WWII.
it would have allowed the Soviet Union to switch it's forces to the
Eastern Front...
which probably would have resulted in a Soviet sphere. (snippet)

my japanese stepmother told me the americans dropped the bomb because
japan was negotiating a surrender to the commies, which would have
ended the war, and japan would have become a soviet satellite.
jonsan

what role do governments have in going to war when the solution might
be to find a way to give people in these countries hope?

if most wars are due to government seeking advantage (which certainly
is the case in iraq) it is even more tragic that freedom loving
americans went along with bushco.  we had no
dictatorship to resist.
wars may not be correlated with desperation, but this war is to defeat
terrorism, which can be described as tactics of desperation.   
the wars of the last 30 years are vastly different than 250 years ago,
although people lived under oppessive regimes. 
habibi jonski


   

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Re: Deathly Hallows - no spoilers

2007-07-21 Thread Gwern Branwen
On 7/21/07, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just finished it.  I'm in San Diego, so I lost three hours due to the time 
 change, but just finished it.  It's amazing, wonderful, deeply moving, and 
 not just everything I hoped for, but far more.  Happy reading to all of you 
 still working on it!!!

 Gautam Mukunda

YAR MATEY, SPOILERS MAY BE BELOW


I'm in agreement. It was action-packed, brought in all sorts of
details I had hoped to see again like Ollivanders and Gregorovitch,
did a decent job of persuading us how both evil and how pathetic
Voldemort and his group is (effectively brought home when Harry and
Dumbledore are talking on the King's Cross station and the little
thing - which I take as representing the state of Voldemort's soul -
keeps interrupting. It's quite nasty and sad, and for some reason
during that conversation I kept on thinking about Fullmetal Alchemist
and the sadness of the homunculi), and finally wound up in a
reasonably epic and moving climax. Most importantly, the ending was
satisfactory and didn't feel at all cheap or like a copout.

I'm not 100% pleased, though. The epilogue just felt kind of silly to
me; I'm still not convinced that a Ron/Hermione pairing isn't
ridiculous and just forced; I feel a little gyped that Harry has a
Deathly Hallow all 7 books but the first time we're given any inkling
that his cloak is particularly special is basically when the senior
Lovegood dismisses all other invisibility cloaks as being pathetic.
(And besides, if the Deathly Hallow cloak really is so perfect at
hiding, how did Dumbledore see Harry sneaking in to see the Mirror of
Erised? That little incident convinced me that the cloak was useful
but nothing more unusually special than other things people had like
Hermione's time-travel device. I feel a little betrayed at that.)
Other things didn't quite ring true either - why would Voldemort be
convinced the last Horcrux would be safe inside the Room of
Requirement's room for hiding things when it's so obviously full of
other people's stuff, implying that there's a quite regular traffic in
and out of it? Further, if knowledge of the Deathly Hallows is so
widespread that a kook like the senior Lovegood, Dumbeldore,
Grindelwald, and at least 2 wandmakers know about it, then how could
Voldemort (the first or second greatest wizard of all time, mind you,
who is absolutely obsessed with anything that influences death or
could offer immortality) *not* know about it and be so foolish as to
make a Hallow a Horcrux and leave it lying around?

But I guess you could argue that getting the big stuff right outweighs
all such small stuff.

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Re: Got Brains?

2007-07-21 Thread PAT MATHEWS

He was in the civil service with an IQ of 75?

Pat, biting tongue on bureaucrat jokes.

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From: Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Got Brains?
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:35:22 -0500

At 04:19 PM Saturday 7/21/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
 http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn12301feedId=online-news_rss20
 
 A man with an unusually tiny brain a huge fluid-filled chamber called a
 ventricle took up most of the room in his skull, leaving little more
 than a thin sheet of actual brain tissue  more than a 50% to 75%
 reduction.
 
 Intelligence tests showed the man had an IQ of 75.
 
 The whole brain was reduced - frontal, parietal, temporal and
 occipital lobes - on both left and right sides. These regions control
 motion, sensibility, language, vision, audition, and emotional and
 cognitive functions,
 
   the brain is very plastic and can adapt to some brain damage
 occurring in the pre- and postnatal period when treated appropriately,
 he says.
 
 If something happens very slowly over quite some time, maybe over
 decades, the different parts of the brain take up functions that would
 normally be done by the part that is pushed to the side,
 
 Half My IQ And Makes Twice As Much Money Maru
 rob
 
 Money isn't everything, Rob, 150 is genius I.Q.
 If this guy had use of the 50- 75% he lost, he could be in the 200
 range.


I don't think anyone has yet established a link between either brain
size or percent utilization and intelligence . . .


And Don't Ask Me About The Mensa Members I Have Met Maru


-- Ronn!  :)



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RE: Deathly Hallows - no spoilers

2007-07-21 Thread Jim Sharkey

Gautam Mukunda wrote:
It's amazing, wonderful, deeply moving, and not just everything I 
hoped for, but far more.

Yes, it was an excellenet capstone to the series.  There were a 
couple of parts that were underwhelming, such as the epilogue, but 
for the most part it was a great read.  I got to finish it today 
during my brother-in-law's birthday gathering.  Which certainly beat 
actually having to *talk* to those people.  :-p

Jim

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Re: Got Brains?

2007-07-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:00 PM Saturday 7/21/2007, PAT MATHEWS wrote:

He was in the civil service with an IQ of 75?

Pat, biting tongue on bureaucrat jokes.


I beat you to that one.



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Re: Got Brains?

2007-07-21 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 05:59 PM Saturday 7/21/2007, jon louis mann wrote:

are members of mensa trying to compensate for poor self esteem, or the
opposite, or are they simply seeking to network with other geniuses?



I suspect that the answer is as varied as the individual.  I went 
hoping for the latter reason, and was left with the impression that 
many were there for the first reason.  It is quite possible that my 
observations were skewed or that my experience was not typical.


-- Ronn!  :)



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