Re: Highlander: The Source - Quick, avert your eyes!

2007-10-15 Thread Charlie Bell

On 15/10/2007, at 11:02 AM, Gary Nunn wrote:



 Highlander 2?
 There is no such thing.
  Julia



 au contraire..


 From the IMDB:

Did you post some text after from the IMDB? It mysteriously vanished.

Charlie
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Re: Turkey, Genocide Congress.

2007-10-15 Thread Martin Lewis
On 10/14/07, Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm REALLY struggling with this one. I don't understand what good could
 possibly come from passing a resolution labeling this WW1 issue as
 genocide.

 So I take it you don't think this was genocide?

 Martin
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Re: Turkey, Genocide Congress.

2007-10-15 Thread Alberto Monteiro
David Hobby wrote:

 ISTANBUL, Turkey - Turkey's top general warned that ties with
 the U.S., already strained by attacks from rebels hiding in
 Iraq, will be irreversibly damaged if Congress passes a
 resolution that labels the World War I-era killings of
 Armenians a genocide.
  
 Yes, I'd say that too.  But then look at the reaction from
 Turkey!  Most scholars call it genocide; maybe it's time the
 Turks admitted it.
 
Maybe the problem is that Turkey does not want to think at
itself as the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire was Evil, but
Turkey was a new good thing that came from the ashes of the
Empire, as one of its split parts.

If this genocide could be labeled as the Genocide of Armenians
by the Ottoman Empire instead of the Genocide of Armenians
by the Turks, maybe it would be easier to accept it.

BTW, I don't think italians would object to the Genocide of
Carthage by the Roman Republic, or the USA to the Genocide
of Native Americans by the English-Controlled 13 Colonies.

Alberto Monteiro

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Re: Turkey, Genocide Congress.

2007-10-15 Thread Ray Ludenia

On 15/10/2007, at 9:28 AM, David Hobby wrote:

 Gary Nunn wrote:

 I'm REALLY struggling with this one. I don't understand what good 
 could
 possibly come from passing a resolution labeling this WW1 issue as
 genocide.

I tend to agree with you on a practical basis, and I have actually been 
thinking about this particular incident for a while now. However, then 
my idealistic streak kicks in and I ask why is it then a crime to be a 
holocaust denier? That's ancient history to most people now. What about 
the Japanese denials of war atrocities?

 Yes, I'd say that too.  But then look at the reaction from
 Turkey!  Most scholars call it genocide; maybe it's time the
 Turks admitted it.

I do like Alberto's suggestion about this!

 Of course, to be fair, there should be matching resolutions
 for EVERY country.  They could go through the alphabet, and
 do one a week..

Quite right as I started saying above. Where does one draw the line?

Regards, Ray.

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Re: Turkey, Genocide Congress.

2007-10-15 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Ray Ludenia wrote:
 
  Of course, to be fair, there should be matching resolutions
  for EVERY country.  They could go through the alphabet, and
  do one a week..
 
 Quite right as I started saying above. Where does one draw the line?
 
I was reading one Wikipedia article about Genocides, and noticed
that here in Brazil some people have recently been convicted
of perpretrating genocides against natives - probably the magnitude
of the killings is less than 100 people. OTOH, there a few
tribes with 20 or 30 people, would killing all of them be
a genocide?

Alberto Monteiro

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Re: Turkey, Genocide Congress.

2007-10-15 Thread Julia Thompson


On Sun, 14 Oct 2007, Robert Seeberger wrote:

 We usually celebrate our turkey genocide in late November.
 But we don't invite Congress.

Was it the President or Congress who set the date for that turkey 
genocide?

Julia

too lazy to go to Wikipedia this morning
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RE: Turkey, Genocide Congress.

2007-10-15 Thread Horn, John
 Gary Nunn wrote:
 
 It seems to me that Congress should have more important 
 issues to deal with than trying to appease lobbyist with a 
 hidden agenda over something that happened 90 years ago.

I have the sinking feeling that the Democrats in control of Congress
WANT to anger Turkey.  If they can't get Bush to withdraw troops from
Iraq they'll make it damn hard (if not impossible) to keep them there by
stopping the flow of troops and supplies through Turkey.  I really,
REALLY hope I'm wrong as that would be a very bad thing.

 - jmh


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Re: What the heck is Maru?

2007-10-15 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On 10/13/07, Kevin O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --
 Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL

Speaking of TANSTAAFL, I just reread _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_
again over the weekend.  I think I enjoy it more each time I read it.

-- 
Mauro Diotallevi
Hey, Harry, you haven't done anything useful for a while -- you be
the god of jello now. -- Patricia Wrede, 8/16/2006 on rasfc
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RE: Maru

2007-10-15 Thread Horn, John
 jon louis mann wrote:
 
 i asked the same question and was given this link:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru

Someone should create a Brin-L/Maru page on Wikipedia.  I wonder if that
would last through the review process...

Not that I'm volunteering or anything!

  - jmh

Woo Foo Maru


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RE: Highlander: The Source - Quick, avert your eyes!

2007-10-15 Thread Horn, John
 Gary Nunn wrote
 
 I thought Highlander 2 was bad, but this one easily takes the 
 prize.  It's almost worse than Tremor: The Series.
  
 This is an all new low for terrible SciFi channel programming.

I'm not sure anything could be worse than River World.  Ack!  I'm a
HUGE fan of the series but couldn't stand more than about 20-25 minutes
of the pilot.

  - jmh


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Evil cult attacks

2007-10-15 Thread William T Goodall
Enviro-loony cult Greenpeace issued a report today on the vile  
chemicals to be found in the Apple iPhone.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/iphone-s-hazardous-chemicals

Apple declined to comment on the cultists' latest attempt to leverage  
Apple's brand for publicity.

Faith Maru

-- 
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Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant  
market share. No chance - Steve Ballmer


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RE: Turkey, Genocide Congress.

2007-10-15 Thread Gary Nunn
 

So I take it you don't think this was genocide?
Martin

I didn't say that it wasn't genocide, I was questioning what good could
possibly come from making this declaration 90 years after the fact -
especially if it's going to piss off an allied nation that is clearly a
different regime.

As someone else mentioned, at what point do you draw the line?  Another
country could declare the dropping of the atomic bombs during World War II
as genocide or declare that Truman is a war criminal for ordering the bombs.
Someone else could declare the US treatment of Native Americans as attempted
genocide, or declare that the US allowed and encouraged slavery. 

Even if it WAS genocide, the question still remains: what good comes from
making that declaration 90 years after the fact?  How does that improve the
world today?

Gary






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Re: Evil cult attacks

2007-10-15 Thread Julia Thompson


On Mon, 15 Oct 2007, William T Goodall wrote:

 Enviro-loony cult Greenpeace issued a report today on the vile
 chemicals to be found in the Apple iPhone.

 http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/iphone-s-hazardous-chemicals

 Apple declined to comment on the cultists' latest attempt to leverage
 Apple's brand for publicity.

 Faith Maru

http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafevideo=iphone

I'm sure the eBay auction is over by now

Julia

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Re: Evil cult attacks

2007-10-15 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 15 Oct 2007 at 19:55, William T Goodall wrote:

 Enviro-loony cult Greenpeace issued a report today on the vile  
 chemicals to be found in the Apple iPhone.

Mmm-hum. (And I have no general use for Greenpeace)

The disassembling also revealed the iPhone's battery was, unusually, 
glued and soldered in to the handset

That is something you can't shrug off in the same way though.

AndrewC
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Re: Evil cult attacks

2007-10-15 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 05:35 PM Monday 10/15/2007, Andrew Crystall wrote:

The disassembling also revealed the iPhone's battery was, unusually,
glued and soldered in to the handset

That is something you can't shrug off in the same way though.

AndrewC


So after a few hundred charging cycles when the battery dies you have 
to throw the whole iPhone away and get a new one for however many 
hundred dollars it is then and re-enter everything in the new one?


-- Ronn!  :)



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Re: Evil cult attacks

2007-10-15 Thread William T Goodall

On 16 Oct 2007, at 01:03, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

 At 05:35 PM Monday 10/15/2007, Andrew Crystall wrote:

 The disassembling also revealed the iPhone's battery was, unusually,
 glued and soldered in to the handset

 That is something you can't shrug off in the same way though.

 AndrewC


 So after a few hundred charging cycles when the battery dies you have
 to throw the whole iPhone away and get a new one for however many
 hundred dollars it is then and re-enter everything in the new one?

You send it back to Apple and they replace the battery and dispose of  
the old one safely for a reasonable fee. Or you  can send it to one  
of many third party battery changing companies who may be cheaper.

Making lithium batteries user replaceable is an incredibly bad idea  
environmentally speaking because the old one is going in the  
household trash 99% of the time.

Like people who change their own oil and chuck the old stuff down the  
drain.

GCU NiCd

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Web  : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
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Re: Evil cult attacks

2007-10-15 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:16 PM Monday 10/15/2007, William T Goodall wrote:

On 16 Oct 2007, at 01:03, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

  At 05:35 PM Monday 10/15/2007, Andrew Crystall wrote:
 
  The disassembling also revealed the iPhone's battery was, unusually,
  glued and soldered in to the handset
 
  That is something you can't shrug off in the same way though.
 
  AndrewC
 
 
  So after a few hundred charging cycles when the battery dies you have
  to throw the whole iPhone away and get a new one for however many
  hundred dollars it is then and re-enter everything in the new one?

You send it back to Apple and they replace the battery and dispose of
the old one safely for a reasonable fee. Or you  can send it to one
of many third party battery changing companies who may be cheaper.


So as I asked is all of your stuff (phone numbers, music, pictures, 
etc.) stored in non-volatile storage or when you get it back with the 
new battery is it as empty of all that stuff as it was the day you 
bought it?  And if it is stored permanently what is to stop Apple 
or the third party from copying all your data while they have your 
iPhone and selling it to spammers or giving it to the D*partm*nt of 
H*m*land S*cur*ty?


-- Ronn!  :)



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